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SigFire
03-30-2005, 09:51 AM
Emrys Aldersley has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6973)

Latest Update: Line Art: Lucky
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298784_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298784_large.jpg)

Lucky the slave.
I like the idea of making him a mime.
Esp. since in the second act he looses his tounge (and his Voice that he never had)
since although in act one he can speak he cannot voice his opinions or say anything without his masters permission.

SigFire
03-30-2005, 09:53 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112176419_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112176419_large.jpg)

Just trying to come up with some ideas. Figured Id put them out there. I know they arnt properly formulated and the sketches are really dodge but hey.
This way nobody can steal my ideas :)

SigFire
03-30-2005, 10:37 AM
Idea 1:
This idea came from the play Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
In this play there are only 4 charachters; Estragon and Vladimir who are two old tramps waiting in some indeterminate time and place for Godot who never appears and we never find out who or what he is. In each of the two almost identical acts 2 other characters enter; Pozzo, a landowner and master and his servant/slave Lucky who he has tied to a rope (around Luckys neck which he pulls to enforce his commands. Lucky carries everything with difficulty and does everything for Pozzo. In the first act he is even made to perform (like a bear) He can sing dance or think. They choose thinking and he 'philosophises' until they make him stop. In the second act they appear again this time Lucky now dumb pulls the rope leading Pozzo, who is now blind. As far as symbolism goes you could think of it as the realisation of Pozzo (the masters) blindness to the sufferings of his people and that Lucky(NB irony of name) has finally lost the voice that he never really had but that he is now in charge of his masters destiny.

I really liked the imagry of this and think it culd work really well.

Idea 2:
Man and machine.
The relationship between man and his machines. Machines where built to serve mankind but in the end become the masters as humanity ends up serving its own creation.

Like this idea as I know I for one feel like a slave to my computer/Cell Phone/and other technological gadgits. They are supposed to make your life easier but do they really?

The only problem I do have with it is that it could be a little bit to much like the machine flesh comp.

Idea 3:
A Techmarine with servo skulls and other servants helping him to explore a space hulk.
the techmarine or Tech priest (havent decided yet) has trully mastered the spirits of the machines he uses.

Ive got a few other ideas but thats enough rambling for now.

SigFire
03-30-2005, 10:44 AM
Idea 4:
Ok Idea 4 is the Idea of being a servant to time.
Sure its not the most origonal of ideas but I still think its quite cool.

some other quotes Ive found that are interesting and have sparked of some ideas:

from George Bernard Shaw: "Physically there is nothing to distinguish human society from the farm-yard except that children are more troublesome and costly than chickens and calves, and that men and women are not so copmletely enslaved as farm stock.

And another Shaw: "When domstic servants are treated as human beings it is not worth while to keep them" Man and Superman

"Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven" Milton Paradise Lost

:shrug: so yeah any comments or sugestions definatly welcome!

MoonVisionStudio
03-30-2005, 01:28 PM
That is what my drawing table looks like when I get started! I give you full marks for showing them, for me they are too personal to share. Good Luck!

SigFire
03-30-2005, 02:55 PM
lol Thanks

yeah I might end up regretting it.
But the main reason is so I will actually get into this competition. I signed up for the grand space opera one and ended up never getting around to doing anything other than a single little thumbnail of an idea that never left the exam pad I did it in.

So hopefully this way Ill actually get something done.

SigFire
04-01-2005, 08:40 AM
Ok Ive almost made up my mind. I think Im going to go with idea 1.

Concept sketches to follow.

SigFire
04-01-2005, 09:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112346924_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112346924_large.jpg)

Thinking of using this as the basis for the setting of my image.

Definatly realising that I have gotten rather rusty at drawing anything other than a slight thumbnail sketch.

So Im going to need to do a lot of practising.
Who am I kidding Ill just practice on this challenge. That way my practicing might be of some use to me.

Ill probably crop this so only half the stairs are visable.

dloots
04-01-2005, 12:50 PM
Cool I like the idea of the theater and you could do some cool lighting effect on the image.

Can't wait to see more:thumbsup:

SigFire
04-04-2005, 08:55 AM
Thanks Dirk.

yeah I think the idea could work out quite nicely.

need to get this "stage" right first.
Want to get the whole circles within circles thing to come together.
Ill probably do some more of it digitally as its easy to move circles around when they are grouped and you dont have to erase them every time you stuff up.

SigFire
04-07-2005, 02:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881635_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881635_large.jpg)

Basic Idea for the masters face. Maybe.

SigFire
04-07-2005, 02:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881747_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881747_large.jpg)

Figured since hes the master Im gonna give him a top hat.
Probably have it lop sided on his head.

Its great doing this on a computer its so easy to draw a perfect circle. bwahhahaha

SigFire
04-07-2005, 02:52 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881927_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112881927_large.jpg)

Just put the head and the hat together.
Not really happy with this but you might if you look really hard be able to see where Im trying to go with this.

SigFire
04-07-2005, 02:58 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112882294_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1112882294_large.jpg)

Still not happy but since I want to have a comical element as well as the severe and deaper side and since I want the characters to be clowns.

Figured a perfect top hat really wouldnt work.

SigFire
04-12-2005, 10:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298082_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298082_large.jpg)

Trying to work out how exactly I want the characters to be standing.
Think this sort of pose (with a lot of reworking) should work for the scene on the left.

SigFire
04-12-2005, 10:33 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298392_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298392_large.jpg)

Some work on the master.

I want them to be clowns. think the master needs to look alloof and uncaring. He is unsimpathetic to the plight of the slaves.

SigFire
04-12-2005, 10:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298784_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6973/6973_1113298784_large.jpg)

Lucky the slave.
I like the idea of making him a mime.
Esp. since in the second act he looses his tounge (and his Voice that he never had)
since although in act one he can speak he cannot voice his opinions or say anything without his masters permission.

the-mighty-m
04-12-2005, 11:30 AM
Had no idea you had done so much for your cg challenge, looking good!
I like your stairs sketch.

dloots
04-12-2005, 11:35 AM
You have done more than I have, Looking good I like the master and the idea of the slave maybe you can have some blood leaking out of his mouth to emphisise the speachless concept and it would look quite sick.

Good luck can't wait to see more

SigFire
04-12-2005, 12:35 PM
Thanks Mike.
Yeah I decided to do some drawing after you left last night.

See being sick does have its benefits. I sat on the couch and started doodling then suddenly felt inspired.

Still not happy but it seems to be coming together a bit better already.

SigFire
04-12-2005, 12:38 PM
I wouldn't go that far Dirk.

All I have is bits of characters.
I still havent even got the main scene right yet.

Yeah was thinking of having the blood leaking out from under the bandidges.
Dont think I will make it to sick but maybe just a bit.

Humm just thinking maybe I need to make the backing scene really dark and textured, very grungie.

Slav
04-12-2005, 12:56 PM
hey just droppin by, to early to say much but i wish you luck!

SigFire
04-12-2005, 01:04 PM
Thanks

Yeah I think Im gonna need a lot of luck and patience

NOOB!
04-12-2005, 01:08 PM
i wish ya good luck x2!

i like the top hat on the master!

SigFire
04-12-2005, 01:12 PM
Thanks.
Yeah I thought it rather fitting

spacesnail
04-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Hi SigFire

Very interesting concept you have proposed.:thumbsup: Great characters to come.

To go further on, why wouldn't be the scene the master of all the characters, like an issue of Twilight Zone ?

Good luck and patience , and inspiration, and time, and sleep...:thumbsup:

SigFire
04-13-2005, 09:03 AM
Thanks spacesnail.

Humm Ill have a think about that and keep it in mind.
The idea is slowly coming into focus in my head hopefully I can get it out onto paper.

the-mighty-m
04-13-2005, 11:56 AM
hey Em

Where is todays update? GO! GO!

SigFire
04-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Give me a break Im supposed to be working here.

I atleast need to look like Im doing work and sitting with a drawing pad looks a tad suspect

digital-bobert
04-13-2005, 12:51 PM
...lucky the slave... lol. i like your sense of humor

SigFire
04-13-2005, 01:05 PM
HAhaha Thanks

Wish I could take all the credit but unfortunatly cant

the-mighty-m
04-19-2005, 10:59 AM
Where is your update hmmmm?

SigFire
04-20-2005, 12:06 PM
You distracted me yapping away and making silly remarks and drinking my beer.

I blame you entirely. Its all your fault it has nothing to do with me being lazy or to busy or anything else its your fault I say your fault.......
:)

cuppacam
04-20-2005, 11:30 PM
Lucky!!? Hah! Bwahaaaaahum. The irony of it all. Cool stuff so far my boy!! I see Mikey is bugging you non stop.

SigFire
04-21-2005, 09:39 AM
Yep he ca be a real pain always asking me how far Ive gotten and all that. :D

Glad you like the idea now I just need to try and finish

the-mighty-m
04-21-2005, 11:50 AM
SO were is the update?

SigFire
04-21-2005, 11:59 AM
Ummm errrr um

Im working on it....
yeah thats it..
Im working on it

dloots
04-22-2005, 10:22 AM
So even I am wondering where the update is??????

the-mighty-m
04-25-2005, 02:22 PM
So where is it!

We are both running out of time to finish this!

Keiphus
04-28-2005, 11:07 PM
As I finished reading Waiting for Godot nearly a month ago, I was reminded of this challenge... It sure would be cool if I had enough time to do the Master/Servant challenge on CGTalk, The Pozzo/Lucky relationship is a perfect example of the challenge. I searched for the name and I actually found someone doing that same story. Conceptually, I think your idea takes the cake in the contest. The relationships described in the entire book are genius, and I only hope you can execute it graphically as well as it was done in writing. Good Luck. I will keep a close eye here. :)

SigFire
05-03-2005, 03:51 PM
Thanks Keiphus!

Yeah I just hope I manage to finish to be honest.
I have just moved to another city and started a new job so Im not sure how much time I am going to have spare. Hopefully being down here on my own will alow me to actually get some work on it done but Im not promising anyone anything.

Well I havent got any plans yet for this evening so hopefully I'll get around to doing some work on it.
Yeah infact Ill set up my PC and get cracking.

DLoots and the Mighty M.... Yeah yeah Im working on it honest. No seriopusly Ill try do a bit more of a sketch tonight.

The big problem I have is my need to go out and socialise. Yep need to make friends and influence people.
Well Ill see you 2 when I come up for my graduation. so thats like 20 days from now. Not to long.

cuppacam
05-04-2005, 11:55 AM
I can understand if you feel the need to get on the piss but I wanna see you finish at least one of these biatch!!

0-2
05-04-2005, 04:56 PM
Good idea, I'm not going to yap about how little time is left, just wishing you good luck.:)

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=230444

SigFire
05-05-2005, 07:53 AM
Hey Cam
What you yapping about I finished the Machine Flesh Comp.
Its Mikey who has never finished one of these.

Well Ill try and get it done anyway.
Cheers Boet.

SigFire
05-17-2005, 09:44 AM
OK Im Out! :(
I Got nowhere which really sux. It was a cool Idea just never managed to get it going.

That and moving cities halfway through which didnt help.

cuppacam
05-17-2005, 11:27 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! You didn't finish! Ah well, I guess the move took up a lot more time than you thought. There's always next time buddy.

SigFire
05-18-2005, 08:11 AM
Yeah. I still dont have any furniture.

But I got my computer up and running.
The screen is balanced on the Tower. I have to sit on the floor to do anything on it.
Ive got it in my bedroom (along with the blow up air bed) so I can watch the odd movie while Im in bed.

Durban is cool though. well its actually quite warm considering its winter.

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