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Boldtman
03-30-2005, 02:56 AM
Mike Boldt has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6954)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: people
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1116308950_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1116308950_large.jpg)

Hello everybody, here are most of the people finished, or close to before final touch ups and tinkering. I think i may have errored on that lady in the front in that here dress stands out too much. let me know. I am still going to add smoke and a little lighting in photoshop when i am done the saloon. Goodluck to all still charging for the finish, and thanks for the encouragement through it all.

sloth79
03-30-2005, 04:27 AM
welcome n good luck dude. ~cheers~

birdybear
03-30-2005, 02:14 PM
Good luck!

Boldtman
04-01-2005, 03:26 AM
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Hello everybody. Well this is my idea for the Master servant challenge. Like most of you I'm sure you all had tons of ideas of what you wanted to do too, but alas, only one page = one idea. My idea is about this western scene in a saloon where you are figuring out who is the master and who is the servant. I have many ideas of what this character was to look like but this is how he's progressing so far.

Boldtman
04-01-2005, 03:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112330226_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112330226_large.jpg)

originally i had in mind that the character would be busting through the doors scattering everbody. I was going to have him and the bottle in a stand off as no one else is brave enough to face him when he is like this. I guess the sheriff is out of town.

Boldtman
04-01-2005, 03:47 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112330836_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112330836_large.jpg)

I think this is the angle and closer to the story i want to depict. The other scene was just to far away and you couldn't see his face enough to get the emotion i wanted out of it. Now in this scene the story is a little further so here he is already in his fight for who is really in control with everybody else in hiding waiting for the winner to arise.

dioxide
04-01-2005, 03:53 AM
I really like this character. I don't really see that master/servant relationship anywhere, maybe the bartender and that guy, but that is really minor. You should make that type of relationship vehement.

SideAche
04-01-2005, 04:37 AM
I really like this character also, however if his master is whiskey, I would play that up more. Put in a bottle and make him look more like a lush or falling-down drunk. Nice sketches!

Groady
04-01-2005, 05:19 AM
Is that someone hiding behind an upturned table just over his right sholder? Great charicature :) .

Boldtman
04-08-2005, 02:58 AM
Hi, thanks for all the feedback and i am sorry its been so long since i replied. The relaionships i am hoping to show are between the outlaw character and the town (saloon occupants) and how they cower from him, but mostly the bandits character and fight with whiskey or whatever he is having. I want it to seem like he knows he is in this fight and wants to be the master that he knows himself as, like in respects to the town and the people giving him anything he wants. He knows that this little drink is trying to become his master and he is fighting and realizing it. I will try harder to convey this through his expression. Thanks for all the imput everyone. Oh and yes, there will be many people cowering/ hiding in the back behind table and curtains. Thanks some more to come soon.

Boldtman
04-08-2005, 04:06 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112933164_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112933164_large.jpg)

Hello all. This one isn't alot different from the last other than it has a few of the characters in the background that I am going to add just to give a bit more of a feel of what is going on.

Boldtman
04-08-2005, 04:20 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112934045_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1112934045_large.jpg)

I just spent a few minutes throwing some color onto my sketch just to start off and see if i like the direction it is going. I already know that the background is too light and i will have to use a lot more contrast and shadows. That should add the old moody saloon i want to portray. Please let me know if it is still unclear as to what is going on. I fear i may have been going to deep with this image and will have to adjust it to be more straight forward. As i said before this image is about a duel (wild west style with the staredown, long silence and a lone whistle in the distance)where our character in front is a master on many levels but currently is fighting for mastery of himself. Thanks everyone.

birdybear
04-08-2005, 02:31 PM
Your colors are have a nice western feel. I agree with making the interior a bit darker as you go because it will really enhance the mood and emotions of your main character. A bit of smoke in the saloon will add something too. Its a good start and I like how yellow the floor is around the door opening. I think I can see the potential of some really great lighting!

MaZzuk
04-08-2005, 03:14 PM
I think it will be not bad if U place the hend on the gun...That explain why the o ccupants are tremble,but without this correction it`s seems nice too)
And about background i didnt like it because it is too flat and slope. Waiting for your progress)
Good Luck!:thumbsup:

walrus
04-08-2005, 04:03 PM
That's some really fun character design! I like the set-up you have. I think that the servants - the townspeople, that is, not the gunslinger in relation to the alcohol - are getting a little lost. But as you're still working on the background, using either value or temperature to make them stand out against the set should help a lot.
Oh, and I really like MaZzuk's suggestion about putting his hand on the gun.

Good luck with it!

-mike

W-I-L
04-08-2005, 04:47 PM
i like that scene.,... should go for that for sure..

Boldtman
04-08-2005, 06:43 PM
Thank you for all your comments and advise. You know you can spend a lot of time looking at something and it looks right until someone says something and then you think, what was I drawing. For example, you are right, the ground does have a wrong slope to it so i will try to fix it. I will also post a trial with the hand relaxing on the gun to see what happens. I was kinda hoping that it would seem like he just set it there to reinforce his presence, but we will see how it looks this way too! Thanks again everyone, keep them crits comming!

Boldtman
04-09-2005, 09:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1113080991_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1113080991_large.jpg)

I have done some of the corrections that you have suggested to me, thanks again by the way. I also added a little scruff, and the extra hand on the gun. Please let me know if this is an inprovement. Thanks again, man what a blast this is.

arLutiK
04-10-2005, 12:34 AM
Wow looks awesome, I love it. Great work !!!:applause:

Boldtman
04-10-2005, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the crits and encouragement everyone. I'll keep chuggin' so keep them comming. A quick question for some advice about the scen as a whole. Do you think it is too big? Should i shrink down the background and add more people, or just squeeze more in as it is? Thanks in advance. I keep thinking about that one thought from birdybear about the smoke drifting around and i will defidently do that, just a bit later. I also really like the image now with his hand on the gun, defidently reinforcing his domineering presence. It was a great suggestion. I really like this site and hoe it pushes you as an artist in a very positive way to increase your skills. Thanks to everyone so far. Well, back to work for me for now....for now. :)

birdybear
04-14-2005, 06:31 PM
Good changes Boldtman.
I really like that you've added a hand on the gun in the foreground. It was a good suggestion MaZzuk. Glad that you liked my idea about the smoke. I like the background as is, with recent changes in regards to size. So you are thinking of adding more characters? Very cool. Love to see a couple of horses looking in the window or running away... unless that is too detailed? Maybe the smoke will cloud them out? Are you thinking of darkening the interior some more? I think the yellows on the floor are really great near the door but I'd imagine the floor on either side would be alot darker.
Your character is very well developed. I absolutely love his teeth. They look great! Keep posting, I am enjoying your progress.

dioxide
04-14-2005, 06:56 PM
Youre not sticking to a master&servant topic. Its more like the intimidator and the intimidated. You should try somthing more like Controller and Controlled, the Servant and the Patron, or recipient of that service. Good character though.

Boldtman
04-15-2005, 12:06 AM
Thanks for the encouragement birdybear, the feedback and direction is great.

dioxide thanks for the crit. You may be on to something, and i fear i may have drifted from the theme. I was hoping to depict the fact that the character was fighting to be master of himself with the whiskey, just to prove that he is still in control of everything, like the town. Anyway, maybe i will try to maybe do a new theme tonight as i have some spare time tonight.

Boldtman
04-15-2005, 03:25 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1113535554_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1113535554_large.jpg)

Hello all, well here is a quick dose of a new direction i think i will take this in. I say new but it more along the lines of my first idea about this bandito bursting into this saloon and everyone but his master the whiskey scattering. There will be others in the saloon but for now this is just a color base. Thanks for all the advise so far. I will try to keep this one updated a little more. Time just doesnt grow on trees as i wish it did.

birdybear
04-15-2005, 02:22 PM
Wow, a new sketch! I think I like this angle more, its more dramatic. I think it would work a little better in a vertical format though. Then you could focus on him and the bottle more, unless of course you really want all of the background characters in there too... so its quite the toss up. I can see a lot of potential for a really long shadow, maybe the top tip of it is on the bottle itself, even coming off at more of an angle than you have currently. This will also allow for a little bit better lighting just to one side of his face, as I'm sure it would be saddening to have to give your character an all over shadow (thus hiding his cool expression). It will really enhance your composition.
Like this one.

Boldtman
04-16-2005, 03:18 PM
Thanks again birdybear for your thoughts. I think i will give it a go as a vertical comp, i like the idea and i think i could crowd the people in still, and i really like the shadow idea. Lets see how this works out.

NOOB!
04-16-2005, 03:22 PM
reminds me of a scene in the cartoon samurai jack.



looks great!

Boldtman
04-26-2005, 03:24 AM
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Hello, it's been a while and yes i have been neglecting my entry. Well, tonight i figured i would fiddle around a bit with the main character. I am really trying to portray this:
"..Senior Jehck, i t'ought i'd find you here.....Noh, it hasn't been long enough. You t'ink so eh hombre. Well shall we dance?"
look as he stares soen the bottle on the bar.
Thanks again for all the crits, they are helping me, as i love challenges. They only help push the work.

birdybear
04-26-2005, 06:18 PM
Great update. The "big" eye is really fantastic. Laughed outloud at how crazy this guys looks. Not much to say except glad to see an update here! Keep going, caus' its lookin' good!

snowkiwi
04-26-2005, 07:27 PM
Awesome toon caricatures. I really enjoy seeing your storyboard.

Boldtman
04-27-2005, 12:52 AM
Thanks for the feedback snowkiwi and birdybear yet again. The shadow across his face was your suggestion and it really picks the image up. Thanks again for that too! Maybe i will finish him off tonight...maybe.

Ilikesoup
05-04-2005, 09:54 PM
If you're still open to suggestions, I've got one for each of your compositions. :deal:

Comp #1: Bandito has torn up the place and is drinking up the whiskey. The master is the saloon owner and he's pushing the servant, a scrawny kid, to go and get rid of the bandito. Kind of a David vs. Goliath idea.

Comp #2: Bandito has just robbed a bank and he's got a sack of money to show for it. He sees the bottle, rushes to it and cradles it in his hands. The sack of money is dropped aside the bottle, either as an offering (Single Malt Whiskey, look what I brung y'uh!) or as a discarded master (stolen money WAS his master until whiskey came along).

I like your style. Reminds me of Chuck Jones ("I am Black Jacques Chirac!"). Hope you find your muse. :)

sarah j
05-04-2005, 11:30 PM
i really like the expression in the character's face and hands, nicely done boltman.

O.Martin
05-07-2005, 10:42 AM
Haha, love the style!!! :thumbsup:

Boldtman
05-10-2005, 03:33 AM
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Hello again. The continued support for everyone around here is awsome. This really is a quality site full of quality people and artists ha. Ok back to my submission. I changed the forground presence a bit in my pic. Where there used to be just a bottle on the bar now i have a shaky hand (the bartender) pouring the "new customer" a shot of ... well i'm not sure, but it's probably not healthy, even if you have it just with your meals. Let me know if i should revert it back to just the bottle.
The deadline was a month and a half away just yesterday i think, wow. I guess this is the stretch were all that post season conditioning comes into play so i can push strong to the end ....

DrEvils
05-11-2005, 12:42 AM
Hey,
that guy would make a sweet 3d model!

birdybear
05-11-2005, 06:33 PM
I can't agree with you more about that deadline sneaking up. Time has really gone by quickly which is probably a good thing because that means its been a good few weeks! I really hope that you get to finish this piece because it is really fun. I can't wait to see how you develop your people in the bar. It's going to be pretty tricky getting that bottle to look as though it is shaking but I see you have some "wiggle lines" which depending on how developed the painting becomes could still be suiting.
What are you planning to do with the other door? Will it be on the floor or hanging off its hinges?
Best of Luck

Boldtman
05-14-2005, 09:20 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1116105627_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6954/6954_1116105627_large.jpg)

Here is the beginning of my frantic weekend. These are the characters in the corner of the page. I was thinking of adding a cigarette to the gambler with the hat but i havent so far. Maybe a cigar. I will fill the room with the typical saloon smoke. well i better get back to it. more people to do.
Hey I'll throw this question for you all to decide. There is going to be more charcters hiding and such, but should i add a calm, cool and collected sherif sitting at the closest table to the bar, not noticing anything?(the table with the gun on it) Would it add a new dimention or just confuse my theme even more than it already is? IT's up to you.

birdybear
05-16-2005, 02:21 PM
I'm very curious to see how your frantic weekend finished off! Your girl is really cute. I love her necklace too. The expressions are fantastic on all of your characters. Definetly your strong point! I'd like to see the sheriff being terrified too because it stregthens your theme. If you show that everyone is terrified by this man it makes it even funnier that he is a slave to something like alcohol.

Good luck! Less than three days left!.... ahhhh.... :thumbsup:

Boldtman
05-17-2005, 05:49 AM
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Hello everybody, here are most of the people finished, or close to before final touch ups and tinkering. I think i may have errored on that lady in the front in that here dress stands out too much. let me know. I am still going to add smoke and a little lighting in photoshop when i am done the saloon. Goodluck to all still charging for the finish, and thanks for the encouragement through it all.

birdybear
05-17-2005, 06:32 PM
Ah! You've updated! Time to charge forth indeed! Good luck Mike.

In regards to the girl in the foreground, she does distract from your composition. Maybe just changing the color of her dress could help. Something dark. Dark green (really really dark), black with thin pinstripes, etc? It would be kinda fun if the bandit girl (next to the lady with the blue dress) was so shocked/scared that your bandit was coming in that her cigarette was falling out of her mouth. I like the changes you did to the red dressed girl too. She stands out but manages not to distract too much.

It seems like your characters all have great personality. Your picture is one of the most "fun" of them all! Hope you finish!... :applause:

Boldtman
05-19-2005, 04:40 AM
It's all my fault, i procrastinated and counted on using every last minut i had to finish, and i could have too at the pace i was setting. I honestly had a series of events that came up in my life (which is vary easy when you are married and have inlaws and parents to visit) that i was not expecting to take the time they did.
I really had a blast doing this challenge, and i have learned my lesson. I am really looking forward to the next challenge.
Kudos to everyone who finished. The calliber of art in this challenge is truely inspiring and ... i just cant say enough praise. Equal to the art, are the people of the forums. The support and fun i received and had was awsome. I am excited about seeing the winners revieled. tata for now, (just imagine the end of a "Lone Ranger" episode with me riding into the sunset ready to return.....i guess it's just not the perfect episode ending this time...). mike out.

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