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handlebar
03-29-2005, 10:09 AM
Steven Bateman has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6895)

Latest Update: Final Image: final image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115902386_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115902386_large.jpg)

Well i've had great fun with my first challenge here at cgtalk. I feel like i've made some new friends and have learnt loads. Thanks to all those who helped out along the way and posted to my thread.
The Story.
The Servant has had enough of the Masters arrogant ways and how he has been mistreated by the master over the years. The servant is prepared to risk all to exact revenge by one simple act. How the story unfolds is left up to the viewer, it could go in many ways, my aim was to freeze a moment in time just as the deed was done.
Good luck to everyone.

Cartesius
03-29-2005, 10:43 AM
Good luck :)

/Anders

handlebar
03-29-2005, 10:54 AM
Hi folks,
My concept revolves around the idea that the master temporarily looses his power over the the servant. The servant, in this case a butler, empowers himself by serving the master a cooked rat for dinner. The two characers expressions will be key to the success of this image (or not) and it is this area that i plan to spend most of my time.

The butler, first scetch

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/2200/butlerinitialsketch6ry.jpg

handlebar
03-29-2005, 10:59 AM
initial thought on how the master should look.

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/5042/masterinitialsketch0lr.jpg

jddog
03-29-2005, 11:39 AM
I like the concept and actually the look of you figure is really interesting...

good luck ! :wip:

jdd

mr wonky
03-29-2005, 01:27 PM
Great stuff! Look forward to seeing these characters fleshed out.:thumbsup:

erilaz
03-29-2005, 01:37 PM
Off to a fine start! Welcome abaord the craziness of cgtalk challenge!:D

Brent3D
03-29-2005, 01:45 PM
Composition. Visualy how will these relate to each other on the page. Try to organize the space first to best convey your idea. Then kick in the details and other fun stuff. Work through it.

soapy
03-29-2005, 04:08 PM
I like the sketches Handlebar. Good to see you join. cheers.

miketche
03-29-2005, 05:26 PM
I know your characters are always so full of great detail. This should be fun. Good luck. :D

miketche
03-29-2005, 05:28 PM
Also, be sure to submit ALL your images through the proper "Submit Entry" procedure. It doesn't appear you have.

smaddl
03-29-2005, 05:54 PM
very nice sketches. looking forward to to see how you translate it to 3d. good luck

handlebar
03-30-2005, 09:58 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112176685_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112176685_large.jpg)

just a quick sketch to show you where i'm going with this

altebanger
03-30-2005, 03:11 PM
Love the Idea will be watching )

handlebar
03-31-2005, 11:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112269929_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112269929_large.jpg)

Started roughing out the butlers head, still lots to do, i'll post a wire when i'm a bit further on with it 8)

soapy
03-31-2005, 05:32 PM
Nice work on the modeling, it is already showing off the personality of the character.

pixelkeg
03-31-2005, 06:07 PM
Definitely a very expressive character. It's nice to see a different style. :)

handlebar
04-01-2005, 12:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112356844_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112356844_large.jpg)

just another update

pigwater
04-01-2005, 12:08 PM
wonderful face and character .. welcome to the fun :thumbsup:

Cole
04-01-2005, 12:43 PM
Your sketches and the first model really make me laugh, it seems your idea has potential for alot of humor and to portray alot of emotions. Its also interesting that you are taking a stereotypical relationship and inverting it, and that this is where the emotion in your work is derived from. Looking forward to seeing more developement of this idea.

Cartesius
04-02-2005, 08:35 PM
Great face and perfect expression!

/Anders

DaddyMack
04-02-2005, 09:48 PM
Hey handlebar, a very cool start to your characters mate:thumbsup:
Keep it coming

smaddl
04-02-2005, 10:52 PM
great characters :thumbsup: very expressive .

handlebar
04-03-2005, 12:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112528592_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112528592_large.jpg)

Pretty much finished with this fella, will do a bit more refining later if i have the time. Thanks for looking

judykero
04-03-2005, 01:28 PM
Yo Steve!

Your Butler is FULL of character! It just stood out in the "view entries" section. Absolutely go on and do ya brilliant job!

yep, that's it

cheers

jddog
04-03-2005, 03:40 PM
:eek: wow beautiful figure :applause: congrats excellent modelling !

jdd

Adamos
04-03-2005, 05:57 PM
I'm BLOODY lookin' forward to this one's final...

Great facial values man, and your quick sketch is just simply all you need to understand the plot! Great potential in this. Give up your job and just concentrate on entertaining us, understood?! hehe

cool thread...
keep it UP-PAH!

cheers

Neeno
04-03-2005, 07:15 PM
Hellooo there dude... read your concept and i think its quiet good to see something different in the challenge, something not evil, very stylised look you got here with the butler already you can see quiet a bit of expression in his face just by the simple model... great stuff.. if your expressions are as good as your modeling then big ups man this is great stuf.. (i love his eye brows) lol :thumbsup:

rastko
04-03-2005, 07:22 PM
Very good modeling. Good Luck!

mr wonky
04-03-2005, 08:09 PM
Nice modelling:thumbsup: You have a deft touch with those polygons, sir.

soapy
04-03-2005, 09:12 PM
Great work on the head, it looks incredible.

gra7
04-04-2005, 03:46 AM
wow !
great model !! c ya !

Aethyrprime
04-04-2005, 04:22 AM
Nice modeling. Interesting concept. GL!

handlebar
04-04-2005, 04:01 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112626880_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112626880_large.jpg)

Started roughing out the master last night, still got lots to do.

stoat
04-04-2005, 07:00 PM
That utler is great, gives me a chance to say lugubrious :applause:

handlebar
04-05-2005, 12:25 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112700299_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112700299_large.jpg)

Nearly finished the master.

jddog
04-05-2005, 12:27 PM
Fantastic, and the expression looks really good... :applause: I like this big eyes !!!
congrats :wip:
jdd

Kenzor
04-05-2005, 12:37 PM
Nice work on the master.

handlebar
04-06-2005, 11:53 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112784784_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112784784_large.jpg)

Added hair to the master

SDIMIS
04-06-2005, 07:56 PM
I love the master character.Reminds me old time comedian actors.Was wondering what software you are using for the hair system.They look nice!:thumbsup:

eddieellis
04-06-2005, 08:03 PM
great model dude, looks like Mr chumney Warner

arLutiK
04-07-2005, 04:19 AM
Very nice work, the emotion is awesome, modeling is super nice, those hair are great what did you use.

:thumbsup:

handlebar
04-07-2005, 01:57 PM
Thanks for your comments folks. The hair was made with a free plugin for cinema 4d called hair department.

alexfalchi
04-07-2005, 01:59 PM
ahahaha very funny model:)....:thumbsup:

soapy
04-07-2005, 06:18 PM
Handlebar you are a master with hair dept. I may have to get a lesson from you one of these days.

handlebar
04-08-2005, 01:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112962340_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1112962340_large.jpg)

Started to model the clothes for the butler, he is going to be wearing a waistcoat, jacket, bowtie, white shirt and white gloves. Thanks for looking.

dogbite
04-08-2005, 01:24 PM
can you put a perspective wire image of your models,the front view doesnt give much to see.
you know a 3/4 shot

Matroskin
04-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Wow handlebar!
Impressed with your character design and modellinghttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon4.gif
Real good face expressions you've made, man!!
Previously I was using cin4d too - good done software, but not sutisfying for me:)
I've got hair department also - great plug-in.
Now I'm facing a problem how to arrange hairs for my characters in max (no payed plug-ins!)...
I wish I could have such for max - free and easy to use!!
Well, maybe I'll do that with import/export...
Good luck - cool work http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

DaddyMack
04-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Heya handlebar, mental start! He appears to be cynically cught somewhere between ill thought and saying...'indeed sir'
Can't wait to see the rest...

altebanger
04-08-2005, 03:36 PM
wonderful work so far and yes a tut on making hair dept. look like real hair instead of dreadlocks would be greatly appreciated. :)

Climax
04-08-2005, 03:54 PM
• Steven, this is looking great!, I like the expressions! :thumbsup: Very good so far!

Blaschke
04-08-2005, 07:58 PM
Your work is amazing! Very expressive. I love cartoon style.

Good luck!

Mobra
04-08-2005, 09:04 PM
handlebar ....Great style fella!


He just about to thinking... " Just wait for your turn.... "
The expressions its bringing him to life!! Good goal man!!


See U!!

Versiden
04-08-2005, 10:11 PM
excellent modelling, very well done. Keep it up!

handlebar
04-12-2005, 02:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113312266_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113312266_large.jpg)

A first rough test for composition. I'm using a spiral and thirds with the idea that the eye is drawn into the scene from the rat to the butler and finally having the comp lines merge at the masters eyes, which is the focal point of my scene. The master will eventually have his right hand pointing at the rat to complete a loop.
The master will be wearing a smoking jacket, shirt and cravatte. i'll model the jacket properly tonight, i've only roughed it in at the moment to make sure that everying is fitting properly.

stoat
04-12-2005, 04:28 PM
It's really good to see someone that knows how to go about composition :thumbsup: I think that maybe you can add to the humour by almost braking the flow here. Something on the table that just hold up the eye for a second. Charlie Chaplin was the master of this littlle trick, and the good thing is, that most people are unaware of what's going on.

DaddyMack
04-12-2005, 10:28 PM
It's really good to see someone that knows how to go about composition :thumbsup:

I agree, but I'm leaning more to the envious side of appreciation for the talent shown here... I must move composition skills way up my learning priorities... Thanks for the little insight handlebar, and keep up the great work man:thumbsup:

Kenzor
04-13-2005, 01:54 AM
It's really good to see someone that knows how to go about composition.

I agree as well. Sometimes I get so absorbed with the 3D that i forget I'm making a 2D image. It's nice to see the composition broken down. Hmm I better go have another look at my own.

pigwater
04-13-2005, 03:48 AM
handlebar ...this thing just keeps getting better and better .. great characters you put down here ... very expressive

great stuff :thumbsup:

Ac0rN
04-13-2005, 04:14 AM
this is really nice man , I like the characters alot :thumbsup:

Wandddo
04-13-2005, 04:14 AM
Nice work and well done composition! I liked your cartoon style man! keep on...:thumbsup:
cheers

SDIMIS
04-13-2005, 06:02 AM
With all the respect something doesnt flow in the composition for me.The Servant creates a "dead" body to the flow and the position is over weight on the top when the focus is on the buttom of the frame to the served dinner.I do not know if the advice that i will give you is the correct one.I am going by insticts.IMO you have to lower the pose of the master closer and forward to the plate.The Servant has to be almost over the master"s head and not at the corner of the composition.Also the dinner has to be just served and not really totally on the table.I would say the left hand of the servant just leaving the plate on the table when the right on(maybe over the master's head holding the plates cover....I do not know...maybe I am wrong.Just a little dissapointed from the composition....I look it again,and I still feel wrong about the servant and his movements.
Hope I did not confuse you:thumbsup:

stoat
04-13-2005, 10:40 AM
Interesting stuff this. I once did a little study when at uni years back. I used the shower scene from Psycho, some Charlie Chaplin Stills, some Jean Luc Godard stills and the Japanese print the Wave. People who read from right to left just don't get the jump of fright with Psycho :eek: Euros don't get the point of the wave. The Chaplin still where everything is pointing to one place via a triangle but for one cactus leaf, was found to be funny by everyone but disturbing to a lot of the people asked. Jean luc created the most problems across cultures.

Raises a few questions about Euro/American manga, should we be flipping it? If we want to sell soaps to China should we do the same?

I think the image as is works great but I take D Dimis' points at one level. I think he's seeing it as one frame in an animation, rather than a finished single image. Would this type of lugubrious butler take the lid off before he'd quite put the plate down? I think not.

I do think that the butler should be leaning in a bit over the master, enjoying the moment, and that the monocle is too far out to the left.

handlebar
04-13-2005, 03:19 PM
Thanks for the input folks, i'm taking everything on board and learnin' lots. I probably posted this comp test too early as much of the modeling has yet to be finished. I haven't done the butlers legs yet which will explain why he is looking a bit top heavy in the composition. I want to keep him in the position that he is as i want his mouth level to be at the level of the masters ear, as if he were muttering some kind of expletive as the dastly deed was done. Very early stages yet, i'm trying to think about things in the composition that aren't obvious to the viewer, but are important in the interaction of the two old coots.

soapy
04-13-2005, 06:10 PM
I agree with stoat the servants eyes should be looking straight at the master to gauge his reaction, plus his eyeline will lead you back to the master.

Don't forget that colour and light will also effect how your eye flows over the scene. It can be a simple matter to drop down an intrusive area by adjusting the lighting. DOF can do the same for the background.

Overall I think the scene is looking really good.

suk-grigorij
04-13-2005, 06:52 PM
Huh. It's funny. Like their eyes.

My thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224891&page=1&pp=20

Cartesius
04-14-2005, 12:56 PM
The modeling is superb! I'm very impressed, you've managed to catch the emotion of the scene in the characters themselves. The composition is good as well. I agree that the servant probably should be watching the master's reaction more closely but I think it could work very well as he stands now. Textures and lighting will have a great influence also, so just keep tweaking :)

/Anders

Matroskin
04-15-2005, 02:24 AM
Hi handlebar!
Wow, I like your composition and how it is prepared and analysed! That's really important!
Head models look outstanding. Interesting to see them textured!

altebanger
04-15-2005, 04:05 AM
Awsome work so far :)

handlebar
04-15-2005, 04:17 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113578228_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113578228_large.jpg)

This is purely a comp test, i needed to add some basic lighting and shaders to make sure that thing were hanging together well. I'm pretty happy with the flow of things, a little tweeking here and there. I will get back to finishing all the modeling now. Thanks for looking.

jddog
04-15-2005, 04:26 PM
:applause: This come really cool out congrats... :wip:
jdd

Maxko
04-15-2005, 04:29 PM
Great work man :). Great moustache :)

Micro26
04-15-2005, 05:18 PM
Cant wait to see this piece finished.:bounce:
The faces have a great expression on them both funny and interesting:thumbsup:

suk-grigorij
04-15-2005, 05:58 PM
Dunno about shader of the characters jacket (left one). It looks like you did something wrong with falloff. The shiny part should be thinner and closer to the border. Everything rest is great. No more critique.

Good luck.

handlebar
04-16-2005, 12:14 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113650048_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1113650048_large.jpg)

Started roughing out the rat last night, early stages yet.

Gunilla
04-16-2005, 05:42 PM
Great modeling, wonderful style - can't believe I missed this one until now. Will follow your progress with pleasure:thumbsup:

soapy
04-16-2005, 06:17 PM
Nice work Handlebar. The scene is coming together very well.

arLutiK
04-16-2005, 08:13 PM
Wow great start on the rat, very nice will look wonderful with all the details, great start :thumbsup:

stoat
04-16-2005, 09:08 PM
The rat looks great :) How does it reflect off the inside of the dish cover, I noticed that there's what looks like another face as a reflection inside of it.

handlebar
04-17-2005, 03:21 PM
Thanks for your comments folks, Stoat i've yet to model the dish, whats there is only for comp reference, i eventually aim to have a plate on a silver tray with handles. Also the textures are only rough just to get a feel for things, i want to create a ballance between cartoon and realism, hopefully if all go's to plan the realism will be in the modeling and the toon style will be in the textures. The reflection that you are seeing in the dish cover is from the room celing, off camera, its only a flat plane at the moment and needs detail. I've tried some tests with some chandelier lights reflecting in it but it became too distracting, i want to keep things simple.

jddog
04-18-2005, 09:14 AM
Excellent rat modelling :wip:
jdd

Kenzor
04-18-2005, 02:18 PM
Fanastic work so far. Keep going.

Matroskin
04-18-2005, 08:51 PM
Hey handlebar
I like your shaders - looks cool even without detailed color and bump channels! Seem almost as final (for cartoon style:)
Need to reach the same phase in my work :rolleyes:
Good work to you, man!

handlebar
04-19-2005, 01:22 PM
Thanks Deryk, this is the overall feel that i'm after in my scene, ive unwrapped the two heads now and will paint some simple bumps and i want to add a deep red luminance map to the masters head to make it look like his heads about to explode. The clothing will be very similar to what you see whith a few tweeks here and there.

handlebar
04-20-2005, 03:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114007624_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114007624_large.jpg)

This is to give you a rough idea of my lighting set up for my image.
Top left: A light dome with a coloured gradient added with the use of 50% grey plugin for cinema 4d
Top middle: Spot for main light source, placed above an a little forward to simulate a light above the table.
Bottom left: fill light
Bottom middle: a combination of all lights.
Right: how it looks on the image so far.
This is just a test, levels will be adjusted when textures are added, as one will inevitably effect the other.
Thanks for looking.

pigwater
04-21-2005, 09:09 PM
wonderful work ... the lights here really warm this piece up .. just has a very nice full feeling to it .. added with those fab characters ... just top notch stuff

really, really nice :applause:

dmonk
04-21-2005, 09:15 PM
Nice Lighting. I really like this so far. No real comments, Keep it up.

stoat
04-21-2005, 09:20 PM
Looking good Handlebar :thumbsup: I'll have to go and look up that plug in. i need all the help I can get. I had to go and lay down after I saw that image of the Pieta on the front page of cgtalk :cry:

handlebar
04-23-2005, 12:45 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114256738_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114256738_large.jpg)

Another composition update, the pannel of the door in the background now creates a triangle that points towards the master, it also reflects the triangle of the carpet and lines up with the angle of the table. The master will be thumping his right hand down on the table causing wrinkles in the tablecloth, and i aim to add a toppling wine glass and cutlery, all these additions will eventually soften up the composition. The rat has yet to be modelled properly, its just there for volume reference. Thanks for looking.

Mobra
04-23-2005, 02:22 PM
Hey Handlebar,

You are going Thru!! heheheh...I realy like the mood of the scene. I think some candle light will be great! Really good job!! Congratulations!

eddieellis
04-23-2005, 02:26 PM
its so cool.... love the colouring... keep it up :thumbsup:

smaddl
04-23-2005, 03:09 PM
great scene :thumbsup: great characters design :applause:

inbata
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
Awsome!!!
:thumbsup:

FredH
04-23-2005, 05:53 PM
It's coming along extremely nicely! The colours and atmosphere of your picture is great and everything (colous, layout, cropping etc) works really well together. I really like how you gave your characters a soft velvet like look even though you are not even finished with them yet! Once everything is finished, I am sure this will be a great entry. Keep up the good work! I can't wait to see more!

_FreD_

AIR
04-23-2005, 05:59 PM
Hi handlebar,havent seen your stuff till this very moment,,And now that I have I must say that you got nice stuff.I like the modeling,,generally good project.
I really wanna see this finished,,with little bit more details and better lighting,,keep it..

Cartesius
04-23-2005, 08:28 PM
Coming along very good! The composition works, I think. More details and better lighting and you will have a very nice image!

/Anders

DaddyMack
04-23-2005, 09:50 PM
This is just soo tastefully (and tastily) executed, one for the books handlebar:thumbsup:

Keep it coming!

handlebar
04-24-2005, 03:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114352791_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114352791_large.jpg)

Done some more work on the rat, i want to keep it in the style of the master and servant characters, and give it lots of toon personality. I will model in the fine detail tonight and fur him up.

Matroskin
04-26-2005, 03:05 PM
Hey handlebar,
interesting face construction of your rat! It seems to think about some serious stuff :)
Don't know which version of c4d you use but I would become close to exhausted doing it in my v6... Really good modelling.
Curious to see it with fur!
And you've get that great toon style, honestly!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cartesius
04-26-2005, 03:15 PM
Great rat! It's a bit exaggerated and thus fit very well with both Master and Servant :)

/Anders

stoat
04-26-2005, 06:11 PM
Wow handlebar, that rat is one malevolent looking bugger :thumbsup:

handlebar
04-27-2005, 01:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114606073_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114606073_large.jpg)

a quick test for the rat texture. I had hoped to use hair dept for it but i'm afraid my humble home pc is beginning to groan. Thanks again for your comments folks.

pigwater
04-27-2005, 01:59 PM
love it ... he reads very well ...all of it does

a scanned through most but not all of the posts so maybe i messed it , but what is the ring above the masters right shoulder ??

one of my favs :beer:

conundrum
04-27-2005, 02:08 PM
great work, i love the modelling on all the characters, its really top notch. The colours very nice as well, except i'm not so keen on the background (its a bit bland) although i'm sure you will fix it up. Perhaps use some polygons with alpha maps for the rats fur, just to get the scraggly look around the edges, it should be less intensive than a hair renderer. keep it up though, i'm lloking forward to the final.

ps. i believe that the ring u mentioned is a monocle

grooshka
04-27-2005, 02:12 PM
wow! astonishing work! almost every concept in this challenge is dark, evil and sinister-looking. and your work is so different, so funny. like it a lot. :bounce:
good luck!

handlebar
04-27-2005, 02:23 PM
Pigwater... the ring is going to be a monicle.
Conundrum... haven't realy started on the details in the background yet, just wanted to sort out colours first.
Grooshka ... Glad you like the concept, apreciate it.
Cartesius... Thanks for looking in, always glad to here what you think.

DaddyMack
04-27-2005, 02:30 PM
Hi Handlebar, this is just wonderful! The expression on the servant's face is really brought out by his eyes...Have you tried a different iris colour on the master, it seem a little less effective, maybe a brighter ring around the outer iris will bring it out more...Keep it up man:thumbsup:

handlebar
04-27-2005, 02:47 PM
Cheers Daddymac,and thanks for looking in. The masters eyes are still on the to do list, got the iris texture painted but it needs a luminance map added to brighten up certain areas, thats why they look dark and lifeless at the moment.

Gunilla
04-27-2005, 03:27 PM
This is so good, I love it :thumbsup:

Can't quite figure out the expression of the butlers face - does he know the rat is there before lifting the lid? I know well trained butlers are supposed to have a stone face, so perhaps that's what you aim for? Anyway, both characters plus rat is amazing - some of my favourites.

blakbird
04-28-2005, 09:41 PM
Funny. Keep it up.

vegass
04-28-2005, 10:55 PM
Looking good man, nice style!

stoat
04-29-2005, 04:13 PM
Will the monocle have a string from it? I think pince nez would look quite good.

jddog
04-30-2005, 10:31 AM
:applause: wonderful !
jdd

hhssuu
04-30-2005, 10:39 AM
Wow you did a nice job with the rat, it's quite lively and natural. I hate rats in real life though, and i think your rats doing a good job making me sick. :) nice rat once again. Oh and the rest of the image is great too.

Cartesius
04-30-2005, 10:55 AM
Great attitude from the rat, it looks a bit p-o:ed ;)

/Anders

handlebar
04-30-2005, 12:32 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114860739_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1114860739_large.jpg)

Thought i'd make a test render to see how things are looking. Started to model the details, did the monicle, just need to add a cord. Managed to learn how to rig my first set of hands... few. will concentrate on getting the rest of the modeling done this weekend. Want to paint a William Morris type wallpaper for the background, add some panneling and maybe a wall light. Thanks for looking.

eddieellis
04-30-2005, 01:07 PM
yey.... finally put the hands in... looking good my friend :thumbsup:

DaddyMack
04-30-2005, 01:38 PM
Hi handlebar, looking stunning as always...The master made me laugh when I saw his hands on, he looks almost like he's about to go into cardiac arrest...O' and welcome to the wonderful world of rigging;)

arLutiK
04-30-2005, 02:17 PM
Yes this image ain't handless anymore, great work on the modeling, lighting and compo, I especially like the expression of the rich man, great work.

CryingHorn
04-30-2005, 03:46 PM
Your image has a very warm lighting so the atmosphere is just great.. good luck

Versiden
04-30-2005, 05:23 PM
that's so cool man, I love the look of the butler :thumbsup:

great lighting and atmosphere

smaddl
04-30-2005, 10:50 PM
poor flush master. great work :thumbsup: :applause:

Martinez3d
05-02-2005, 02:00 AM
Wow! Great Stile my friend! Really like both master and servant! Just work on the background more and will be a great pice!

Good Luck,

Rafael Martinez

handlebar
05-02-2005, 03:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115045346_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115045346_large.jpg)

Nearly finnished the foreground now, just need to add a label to the winebottle. I think i'll call the wine 'Butlers Special Reserve'(Extra Dry) of course. will begin on the background now, and replace all the temp textures and add a bit more detail. I'm pretty happy with the overall atmosphere now, a few tweeks here and there and i'm close to finnishing. Phew.

soapy
05-02-2005, 09:27 PM
Nice work Handlebar, the scene is coming together very well. What focal length are you using on your camera?

I just noticed that if I scroll the window fast the masters eyes flash red, freaky.

handlebar
05-04-2005, 05:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115222905_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115222905_large.jpg)

slowly starting to replace the temp shaders with textures. Thanks for looking.

melkao
05-04-2005, 05:19 PM
Wow:eek: . great work you doing, your models are very funny, and the rat is a very cool detail. Good work:thumbsup:

handlebar
05-06-2005, 02:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115387305_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115387305_large.jpg)

Very nearly finished now, this is an update of the composition. Just need to model a proper platter now and add a few more details.

DaddyMack
05-06-2005, 03:06 PM
Stunning as ever Handlebar...

Nice subtle changes to the master, I liked the shot better with the bottle, and the look in the servants eyes in the same shot.. and great work on the background
Keep it up:thumbsup:

altebanger
05-07-2005, 04:09 AM
Wunderbar! Sehr Gut!! Bravo! It was fun watching this come together and great job all around. :)

andreimelo
05-07-2005, 04:32 AM
I like your composition, the lights and textures are excellent.

How you it configured the clothes texture?

JRBRAZ
05-07-2005, 07:38 AM
Awesome work. The light, modeling and textures are great. I like more this new angle of camera. We can see better the face expressions ... :thumbsup:

I´m just miss one thing in your image ... a colored tablecloth ... :scream:

smaddl
05-07-2005, 01:16 PM
great work. just one thing - i think the pinocol string that comes out of his hand is too straigh. it made me wonder for few seconds what it is. good luck :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cartesius
05-07-2005, 03:43 PM
Great! I agree about the string in his hand, maybe just curve it down a little. I would also love to see some more punch in the colours, if you know what I mean? The whole image has a very smooth and almost fuzzy feeling so some more contrasts in the lighting (particularly on the main characters) would make the focus of the image clearer. Maybe some subtle DOF on the background as well?

Looking great! :thumbsup:

/Anders

soapy
05-07-2005, 06:34 PM
I agree with Anders, I think it might be worth the trouble to make some experiments with the lights. Personally I think the image would look better with more defined shadows also. In interiors the shadows tend to be sharper.

But minor niggles really, the image is coming together very nicely.

overcontrast
05-07-2005, 09:24 PM
i love this piece... i like the look in the servant's face.. likes he's saying like-u-never-saw-a-rat lol.... one suggestion... i guess the previous camera angle works better for the scene?... but i donno... it looks good in both... keep up the good works mate...good luck :thumbsup:

M99
05-08-2005, 01:43 AM
Hi I really like your work, its so funny the rat!, I like the look you put in the image.

chirpy16
05-08-2005, 03:38 AM
I love the models of the two men, the faces have a nice charismatic charm.

ilusiondigital
05-08-2005, 08:34 AM
Love the expressions

Tremoside
05-08-2005, 09:10 AM
I like your characters! Especially the standing figure! That smooth and expressive face, those eyes...hmm... Also excellent cam angle! You could be proud of this image!

melkao
05-09-2005, 01:19 AM
hey man...thats getting better everytime, the textures with the reflections are great, and the rat.....i love it:thumbsup:

handlebar
05-10-2005, 12:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115723138_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115723138_large.jpg)

Thanks for your input folks, have replaced most of the temp textures now, also adjusted the lighting. Nearly there now, and am looking forward to getting me pipe and slippers out, cracking a few cold ones, and catching up on some sleep.
Thanks for looking.

Rémy Malin
05-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Hi. Nice picture, texturing and lightning are very nices. The subject is original. I like it!

DaddyMack
05-10-2005, 12:44 PM
Looking great Steven:thumbsup:
Do I detect a lighting change? Somehow it feels warmer...

Cartesius
05-10-2005, 12:46 PM
Yep, you're getting there! :thumbsup:

/Anders

chuva
05-10-2005, 01:19 PM
Cool work. All the textures and modeling are great. :thumbsup:

The only thing is a little off is the glass ... is looking plastic ... maybe a some caustics ...

handlebar
05-10-2005, 01:55 PM
Thanks folks. Chuva i would love to use caustics but unfortunately my software doesn't support it. I'm using Cinema 4d CE+

Tranchefeux
05-10-2005, 06:24 PM
Hi,
Shit, shit, I discover your work it is too strong,
all the best for the end. :thumbsup:

Matroskin
05-10-2005, 06:48 PM
Wow!!
handlebar, it's just GREAT! I would suggest only to underline better central prt of compo with lightning as now lightning looks too uniform... But it's just to say something ;) Really strong work!!

anandpg
05-10-2005, 07:44 PM
great image, handle-bar.. I like the expression on the faces, but i t would be nice to see some bump mapping, as the characters are elderly men. I love that rat!:thumbsup:

altebanger
05-11-2005, 06:38 AM
:bounce: It just keeps getting better and better. Do you have PS or Gimp? Might I sugest rendering the Background to give it fake DOF with a blur to bring out the actors more. Just a thought...:shrug:

eddieellis
05-12-2005, 09:08 AM
hey handlebar, the textures are great, so warm and inviting :thumbsup:

handlebar
05-12-2005, 01:53 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115902386_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6895/6895_1115902386_large.jpg)

Well i've had great fun with my first challenge here at cgtalk. I feel like i've made some new friends and have learnt loads. Thanks to all those who helped out along the way and posted to my thread.
The Story.
The Servant has had enough of the Masters arrogant ways and how he has been mistreated by the master over the years. The servant is prepared to risk all to exact revenge by one simple act. How the story unfolds is left up to the viewer, it could go in many ways, my aim was to freeze a moment in time just as the deed was done.
Good luck to everyone.

stoat
05-13-2005, 11:29 AM
Great stuff :scream: :thumbsup: It reminds me of that movie, "The Ruling Class" with Peter O'Toole and Arthur Lowe as the butler. I expect you'll be spending your days just getting drunk now until the next challenge :cool: :buttrock: :thumbsup:

melkao
05-13-2005, 02:50 PM
Congratulations man for finish and good luck:thumbsup:

JRBRAZ
05-13-2005, 03:31 PM
Congratulations. Really good work. :thumbsup:

altebanger
05-14-2005, 03:07 AM
Very well done Sir! Congrats on finishing,looks:thumbsup: good.

Matroskin
05-14-2005, 08:47 PM
Congratulations handlebar!!
Ok, that stuff with light I was talking about is not so crutual here - image is just wonderful!
I was using cinema4d 6 ce+ so I know that for such modelling lots of good skills needed! Nice rendering but most of all - character's design and modelling!
Good luck with juging!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

arLutiK
05-14-2005, 10:19 PM
Steven, congragulation on finishing your challenge, your image is really cool

jddog
05-17-2005, 12:24 PM
Sorry Steve to come in so late... but I'm quiet stressed this times.

:applause: + :applause: + :applause:

the camera position is really wonderful, and your modelling and texture work is simply amazing, congrats for this excellent entry :thumbsup:

jdd

Ludal
05-17-2005, 12:53 PM
yes really nice ;)

just something: there is not shadow under the glass isn't it ?
And the skin shader... Maybe not enough specular..
Anyway, nice work man :thumbsup:

Diogo
05-17-2005, 01:22 PM
Great Image!
Good Luck! :thumbsup:

Tremoside
05-17-2005, 01:29 PM
You're done with a huge job and i was surprised when i read..your first challenge...?! Huh man you're truly a talent! Amazing work with great expressions! :bowdown: see ya in the next challenge!

Mark :wavey:

DaddyMack
05-17-2005, 02:03 PM
Righto! Jolly good show ols chap!
It's been great playing with you Handlebar, Congrats on an awesome realisation of your funny concept mate:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Gunilla
05-17-2005, 05:02 PM
Congrats for your final! Really impressive work throughout the whole thread - good luck for the voting :thumbsup:

... and I hope the master gets a heart attack and leave all his wealth to the servant in his will :)

arkinet
05-18-2005, 12:39 AM
same here bro, 1st timer. And you did a great job, good luck on the final:thumbsup:

conundrum
05-19-2005, 12:07 PM
awesome final handlebar, it really came together very well in the end. it has a lot of character ( i love the servant's expression) and very nice warm colours. good luck

soapy
05-19-2005, 03:42 PM
Nice work Steven, you pretty much nailed it. Looks super.

Martinez3d
05-19-2005, 05:56 PM
Congratulation Handlebar! :applause:

You really got the emotion of the characters!

Good luck mate! :thumbsup:

Rafael Martinez

bealobo
05-21-2005, 04:54 PM
nice work, great image!
I love the mood.
congratulations!

limousine
05-21-2005, 07:02 PM
This is a funny piece. I like it! Minor problems with the poses but the idea is stronger than that. Good luck.

- limo

smaddl
05-21-2005, 08:24 PM
let me say again i love your image :bounce: it's warm and emotional and the character design is great :applause:
just now noticed the master hand. is he touching the rat? i feel so sorry for the rat. poor animal..

Congratulation for a successful work. good luck :thumbsup:

AIR
05-22-2005, 07:59 PM
Hi man.Like it.Most of all glad to see you to cross the FINAL line.
The image is nice,Love the confused,suprised expression on the master.
Modeling is fine,nothing to complaine much.
I wish you good luck Handlebar.Ejoyed this ride with you guys.
Also want to thank you for being suportive to me.SEEYA pal. :thumbsup:

blakbird
05-25-2005, 08:56 AM
Funny and brilliant.

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