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stevethomas
03-29-2005, 01:30 AM
Steve Thomas has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6869)

Latest Update: Final Image: Voices
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116395009_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116395009_large.jpg)

My final entry. It was a journey.

stevethomas
04-01-2005, 01:59 PM
Here is how my thought process started. Just some thumbnail scratches at work:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/thumbs1.jpg
http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/thumbs2.jpg

stevethomas
04-01-2005, 02:03 PM
Then I started to flesh out some of the ideas I liked. This one, although I think would work well, seems a bit popular. Woman on throne of sorts (she's sitting on a captive/servant dragon's hands). I think I may paint this one for myself.

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/throne.jpg

stevethomas
04-01-2005, 02:08 PM
This one I really liked, but I saw that Gamoron had a similar drug theme so I had to go back to the drawing board, literally:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/addict.jpg

stevethomas
04-01-2005, 02:13 PM
This was a more whimsical take on the challenge. A totem like rickshaw pulled by gremlins:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/totem_ricshaw.jpg

stevethomas
04-01-2005, 02:15 PM
And the winner is (for now): A guy wrestling with himself. He is his own servant and master. An alter ego commands him to do dasturdly deeds from the mirror:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/outofhead.jpg

stevethomas
04-02-2005, 05:43 PM
Here was another idea, but I think I'll use it for something else instead.

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/dragon_lady.jpg

stevethomas
04-02-2005, 05:45 PM
This would've worked too, except I did it too long ago to enter it in this contest.

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/digital/borgbioborg.jpg

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 05:49 PM
what the hell,all i see is u posting in this thread.

THAT AIN'T NICE,

excellent skethces.and thats a good colour piece,hope u can do sumthin else like that.

stevethomas
04-02-2005, 05:53 PM
Thanks for being the first non-me poster to reply NOOB!,
I plan to do better than that colour example. I'm glad we have until mid-May to complete these, that way i know I will do a good job.

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 05:56 PM
oh another thing.

u MUST submit all ur work including concepts through the cgtalk server,go to the challenge page and click on submit entry.

stevethomas
04-07-2005, 02:58 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1112885932_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1112885932_large.jpg)

still deciding which to do

AirbORn
04-07-2005, 03:02 PM
I really like your dude and mirror concept. It is a hard subject to capture but I think the composition and pose of the character really communicates both the issue and the master and servant theme. Keep up the great work!

stevethomas
04-07-2005, 03:02 PM
bathroom larger:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/digital/bathroomsketch.jpg

stevethomas
04-07-2005, 03:03 PM
the moon is the master, wolfman the servant:

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/digital/wolfmanbw.jpg

stevethomas
04-07-2005, 03:17 PM
AirbORN: Thanks. I'm leaning that way myself. I admit it would be easier to do the wolfman concept, but I think with the right colours the bathroom scene could rock.

Zephyri
04-07-2005, 04:29 PM
Nice concept work, I have to say, the guy with the mirror is quite inspired, I love the way you've angled the camera and set the light, particularly on the figure in the mirror. And it conveys the master and servant theme much more strongly than the werewolf (which, I have to admit, I looked at and wondered where the other half of the relationship was - d'oh!). I'd love to see what kind of colour scheme you have in mind.

One minor concern -the guy's face (the one outside the mirror) looks very far down his skull, it took me a moment to realise he was looking down, rather than clutching his face with one of his hands. But other than that a very intriguing concept.

stevethomas
04-07-2005, 07:33 PM
Thanks Zepyhri. I will take a good look at the guy's skull. It looked a bit large to me too. If I shrink the back of it a bit, we'll probably be in business.

AlyFell
04-12-2005, 11:50 AM
The guy with the mirror works for me! It's a strong concept, and the lighting and viewpoint will make it dark and dynamic! Fab and groovy! :)

NOOB!
04-12-2005, 11:57 AM
hhhmm not sure about the mirror one,didn't enayla have that idea??

hmmmmmm....hmmmmm indeed.u two will be competing against eachother.

nebezial
04-12-2005, 12:23 PM
:thumbsup: go for the first one man, it has certain amount of psyche, the werewolf is basically just cool, but that is it, the firt one has a master servant event going on, great work man!

stevethomas
04-12-2005, 04:05 PM
nebezial: Thanks. I think you are right and have helped me decide on the first one.

NOOB!: I checked Enayla's thread and did see the mirror concept that was posted yesterday (April 11th). It's a bit different than mine that I posted a week ago, but it seems she is going with her original idea anyway (which is looking incredible).

poshspice: Thanks. The next challenge will be to come up with the right colours. Something eerie and institutional should do.

NOOB!
04-12-2005, 04:12 PM
yep enalya did.

http://cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222004&page=47&pp=15 she posted it on that page.

but man u don't have to get intimidated.

stevethomas
04-12-2005, 04:16 PM
Thanks for the keen eyes NOOB. And the compliment.

NOOB!
04-12-2005, 04:18 PM
haha,actaully i think she mentioned she is working on two images,and will decide which will be the final near the end.

but still,i urge u not to change ur concept cos of the pro competition,just use it as inspiration.and make sumthin better.

paperclip
04-12-2005, 04:20 PM
Hi!

Definitely go with the mirror theme. I love the perspective and the light you're using. Can't wait to see how you progress with this!
No crits yet!
paperclip

walrus
04-12-2005, 05:06 PM
I actually like the werewolf concept better myself - because of the great pose and the stark composition - but the rules also state that at least one of the figures has to be a human. So that brings you back around to the mirror shot, which is also cool. All your concepts have been cool, in fact, and I hope you'll develop the werewolf one at some future time!

In the mean-time, good luck moving on with this one!

-mike

stevethomas
04-13-2005, 12:06 AM
paperclip: Thanks for the vote. I'm off to colour the mirror scene.

walrus: That darn human component is a dilemma, eh? Thanks for your crits and I'm sure the werewolf will find himself in a finished piece one day.

Korline
04-13-2005, 05:56 AM
well, the mirror thing is pretty interesting
don't want to repeat someone else words but the angle is just perfecthttp://

www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2151957

stevethomas
04-13-2005, 02:58 PM
Thanks Korline.

Here are a couple of reference photos from the private "photoshoot" (if anyone cares to see them). Yep, that's me. Taken with a cheap digital camera, propped up on a tripod at the top of the stairs.

http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/grab_ref.jpg
http://www.stevethomas247.com/home/drawings/mirror_ref.jpg

NOOB!
04-13-2005, 03:04 PM
so the 2nd pic is the reflection and the first is outside the mirror world?

nice ref,lets seem summore progress.

stevethomas
04-13-2005, 10:15 PM
You are correct!

More progress to come. Probably by the end of Friday.

vilius
04-15-2005, 09:04 AM
can't wait til you get to colouring it.. good luck!

stevethomas
04-15-2005, 06:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1113590989_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1113590989_large.jpg)

this may end up looking too muddy. I'll have to try to keep the reddish brown to a minimum.

cha0t1c1
04-15-2005, 06:53 PM
nonono, keep the rust look, it elevates the madness, beautifiully dynamic...

melkao
04-15-2005, 07:08 PM
Hey i like that, is very madness:banghead:

stevethomas
04-15-2005, 07:14 PM
cha0t1c1: I'll keep the colours, just cuz you asked so nicely.

melkao: Thanks, I'm going for that eerie/crazy feeling.

LuisNCT
04-15-2005, 08:22 PM
Good point of view and composition

MoodyDog
04-16-2005, 05:51 PM
Hi! I like your concept that playing along with a human mind!! good good good :applause:

daadaa
04-16-2005, 06:46 PM
looking great! tiny crit tho, the tatts on his head are on the wrong side in the mirror...

kpbelsha
04-16-2005, 06:50 PM
i like the way you've given your work a dynamic angle, really adds to the concept

stevethomas
04-16-2005, 07:12 PM
LuisNCT: Thanks.
MoodyDog: Thanks.
daadaa: Thank you very much. I've been looking at this for so long, I neglected one of the most important details. Excellent eagle eyes.
kpbelsha: Thanks. The image originally popped into my mind at that angle and I haven't looked back since.

I'll try to post another update early next week.

cha0t1c1
04-16-2005, 07:15 PM
steve: thnx for considering my opinion, it's extremely humble of you, an artist of your calibur...

W-I-L
04-16-2005, 07:17 PM
love the perspective... and line work is really nice... nothing to crit.. greta idea

walrus
04-16-2005, 09:36 PM
It's looking good, Steve! I like the dramatic shadows and lighting you've used, and I like that there's only one bulb on - it adds to the... um... ambience of the place. (Okay, it's a hell-hole, but the sigle bulb and lack of a shower curtain help sell that.) i like the colors, too.

Just a couple notes on perspective: Please forgive me if they're just things you haven't gotten around to yet. The top of the sink (ie.e the top of the back part of the sink which is the haghest point) seems like it's not quite heading tot he same vanishing point as eveything else. Also, it feels like the sink is floating a bit. I know you likely wouldn't see the [i[es underneath the sink from this angle, but they might help make the sink less floaty, so it's an idea to cheat and put them in. Lastly, I can't tell what angle the toilet-seat is at, but i'm not quite sure it matches the perspective of the rest of the image.

But plenty of time to refine everything. Good luck with it! :-)

-mike

stevethomas
04-18-2005, 01:20 AM
cha0t1c1: Heck, if it wasn't for your attention to detail, I would've finished the piece without knowing I'd made a huge blunder. The tatoo is important because it links the two characters as one. Without it, I don't think I'd be able to make them look the same at first glance. Thanks again.

W!L: Thanks for the kudos.

walrus: Thanks. I almost put in a tattered shower curtain then decided against it because it didn't add anything to the piece. I'm glad you agree. And your notes on perspective are helpful. The sink was bothering me too. I plan to fix that when I get around to rendering it more. I'll workshop the pipes, but I'm not confident I can do them well enough to sell. Hopefully the shadow and light will make it seem less of a floater. Same goes with the toilet. I'm glad you've pointed these out. It lets me know i've got some things to work on still.

cha0t1c1
04-18-2005, 01:26 AM
Steve: as much as that I'd love to take the credit, I wasn't the one who did...you are a kind person for thanking me in such a way...

stevethomas
04-18-2005, 02:01 AM
Whoops, sorry. daa daa is the one who pointed out the tatoo. Sorry about that. I must read more closely.

stevethomas
04-30-2005, 03:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1114874477_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1114874477_large.jpg)

After a few comments about perspective, i finally got around to drawing up some lines. they may not be perfect, but I can see where the drawing needs some adjustments. thanks.

stevethomas
04-30-2005, 08:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1114891402_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1114891402_large.jpg)

Progress. I've fixed the tattoo on the guy's head (out of the mirror) to match the correct side with the reflection. Added some tiles and wallpaper.
This is the point where I usually hesitate to continue because from here on in it's all fine rendering time. This is the tedious part for me, but also the most rewarding.

Slav
04-30-2005, 09:53 PM
i have seen this concept in a few other threads... its good but a tad over done. i wonder why you chose it...

it does not detract from the image... its very strong. :thumbsup:

arLutiK
05-01-2005, 01:42 AM
I've seen it too but you make a very good job of it, great work :thumbsup:

cha0t1c1
05-01-2005, 03:58 AM
Slav: He had this posted 1st...I followed it from the beginning...
I love your work steve :thumbsup:

weslouie
05-01-2005, 05:56 AM
I like the perspective in this image and I also really like the subtle and warm tones in it. I'm not sure if you're done with the floor, but it stood out to me right away because the tones on it are really nice, but I think its still a tiny bit too clean for how that entire bathroom looks. I think adding a bit of grime all over the floor would help unify it a bit more with its surroundings. I know this will be a pain, but I'd also add dimension to the tile floor. It looks pretty flat right now compared to if it had a bit of elevation to it.

good job!

stevethomas
05-01-2005, 11:56 PM
Slav, arlutik and cha0t1c1: I have seen the other posts that have similar concepts. I'm not sure I had the first post though cha0t1c1, I hope I did but thanks for following the progress. The other concepts seem to deal with beauty in one way or another, this one deals primarily with the voices in our heads commanding us to do things we don't want to do. The entire concept behind mine is that this guys is some kind of SWAT or special teams member and the voice inside his head makes him commit ghastly wrong doings.
I also chose this one because I got a good response for it when I posted it up against my other concept of a werewolf (servant) to the moon (master).

weslouie: Thanks for the input. I do plan to do something to the floor because I agree it's very clean compared to the rest of the image. I'll probably add more grime as you suggested as well as some scuff marks, scrapes and worn away tiles.

Let me ask: Is it too dark on your screens? I want it dark, but I also don't want to lose a lot of the detail.

Thanks for the comments.
steve

AlyFell
05-03-2005, 12:45 AM
The lighting's coming together really well Steve! And you've got a nice black and white tiled floor too! Maybe whilst all this in your pic is taking place upstairs in the bathroom, downstairs in the kitchen is what's going on in mine! Heh! What a household! :D

stevethomas
05-03-2005, 01:09 AM
Poshspice: That would make for a great story. The guy in the bathroom wants to go downstairs, but the man in the mirror is forbidding it. That would be enough to drive any one mad.

FIDUCIOSE
05-03-2005, 10:08 AM
that guy's expression is cool man!!
if that's a relation of a man and hid illusion, I think the false perspective like lookin in the curve mirror (doesn't know a word, sorry) is better.

MDN67
05-03-2005, 10:14 AM
very strange and dirty atmophere. I like the concept, very good work

dekal
05-03-2005, 03:26 PM
GOOD LUCK :bounce:

ilusiondigital
05-03-2005, 03:27 PM
Wowwwwwwwwwwwww OMG what a concept and the execution is soooo cool

stevethomas
05-05-2005, 01:19 AM
FIDUCIOSE, MDN67, dekal, ilusiondigital: Thanks for the comments.


I plan to update it more over the weekend.

punklover
05-05-2005, 01:32 AM
that's awsome ,i see that you choosed a psychological way to treat the master and servant relationship , congrat:thumbsup:

ChrisThatGuy
05-06-2005, 04:50 PM
Looking great. I like the style.

Goro
05-06-2005, 05:02 PM
The lighting works pretty good and I like the perspective!
Waiting for the next update!

NOOB!
05-06-2005, 05:51 PM
great!

nice perspective,u've come a long way since the beggining.

pejot
05-07-2005, 01:17 PM
The composition and colors are great.

stevethomas
05-16-2005, 03:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116257232_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116257232_large.jpg)

It\'s been a long time since an update. Very little progress from the last, I\'m afraid. Looks like It\'ll be down to the wire with this one. I did make the floor a bit more scuffed up (as requested).

And thanks for all the comments :)!

cha0t1c1
05-16-2005, 03:41 PM
not much left...push man push....

stevethomas
05-16-2005, 11:59 PM
Don't worry, cha0t1c1, I'll manage to pinch it out in time. Thanks for the encouragement.

Enayla
05-17-2005, 12:10 AM
This is wonderful! A far more dynamic interpretation of the same sort of theme I tackled, myself (I pulled mine out of the competition, though, and I'm glad! it doesn't have the energy that this one does!).

The guy in the mirror is definitely my favourite. He's both angry and taunting all at once, it seems to me... very intimidating. I can't believe I hadn't seen this one before - I'm looking forward to the end result. Love the light from the lamp, by the way. It feels as if though it might be flickering. How about a single forlorn fly or moth fluttering around it?

rwitzsche
05-17-2005, 12:23 AM
Interesting image, different than most of the entries - I like it!

stevethomas
05-17-2005, 01:20 AM
Wow, Enayla, thanks. I did notice you started a second entry that took on the mirror theme. I think there are a couple others in this contest. I like your idea about the moth. I'll add one to see how it fits. It wouldn't be a dirty bathroom without an insect or two. I can't remember if I've posted on your thread, but at any rate your image is fantastic and no doubt a lead contender for the grand prize. Cheers.


ritzsche: Thanks. I tried very hard to stray from the traditional Master/Servant theme of ruler over his/her minions/slaves. So I went inward.

stevethomas
05-18-2005, 05:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116394835_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116394835_large.jpg)

Yippee. It's done. Good luck to all.

stevethomas
05-18-2005, 05:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116395009_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6869/6869_1116395009_large.jpg)

My final entry. It was a journey.

stunner
05-27-2005, 11:03 PM
Cool concept and really nice pic !

i love it :thumbsup:

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