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Korline
03-28-2005, 06:59 PM
Jarek Sznytzer has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6848)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Intentions
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113729117_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113729117_large.jpg)

thank you Marcin
since I've been having problems with the dark angel character
I decided to redo it i couldn't find anything that would work for it, so I
took few picks for the reference, so yeah I've bin trying to make my
ugly mug look decent, not sure how it's looks, but I want to this creature to have this smirk look
and I can't do it without references,
I still think the is something wrong with the proportions, but I want get the expression right first
any critics please

Korline
03-28-2005, 07:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112042010_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112042010_large.jpg)

Hi there
Kind of an idea, master is not sure if she is satisfied or just bored by the servant performance, and who knows what kind of intentions does hi has

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 07:36 PM
looks cool!

Korline
03-28-2005, 10:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112053215_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112053215_large.jpg)

trying to get the feel for the perspective

Korline
03-29-2005, 04:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112118595_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112118595_large.jpg)

Still in the concept stage,
i'ts all new to me, but I'm trying to stick to the idea, any opinions would be very helpful

Korline
03-29-2005, 06:16 PM
Thanks NOOB!
I'm very new to all this so I'm not even sure if I'm doing this right
but I do appreciate any comments and suggestions

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 06:21 PM
the perspective is a little too dramatic for ur old man/gargoyle/angel character,for that to work,the man wud have to appear allot smaller,and the view point of the characters would have to change to slighty above them.

hope that helps

Korline
03-29-2005, 06:34 PM
thanx, I was kind thinking the same thing, there is no depth, I,m going to work on this

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 06:35 PM
there is depth,its just not depicted right.

but i'll just wait for more!

Korline
03-29-2005, 06:41 PM
I'll work on the right siede see what happens

Korline
03-29-2005, 06:43 PM
thanx again I can see it now

Korline
03-31-2005, 04:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112291740_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112291740_large.jpg)

little changes, I think this will be final concept
is it any better

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 05:09 PM
looks much better!



although the stairs/floor that the thing with the sword is on still looks a bit too bent,try to match it up with the wall behind,*the wall with the windows*

grf
03-31-2005, 05:17 PM
ooo :eek: sexy! hehe! Your perspective is still a bit wonky. Try placing the image on a larger canvas and actually use a real vanishing point. It'll help a lot.

SideAche
03-31-2005, 05:30 PM
Welcome Jarek. These competitions do a lot to push us as artist's. This is the most professional acting and helpful forum's out there. Best wishes. My thought is, based on the gestures of the characters, the roles appear to be reversed. She looks to be in control of the situation and less sub-serviant.

Zephyri
03-31-2005, 05:54 PM
This looks promising. I would definitely use Mr Frederickson's idea of a perspective grid, they can be life savers in a pic like this when you're first starting out. The slave on the right's perspective still looks a little out, like he's balancing on the tips of his toes, and his bum's off the floor. I'd agree with the point made that the woman looks more in control. Perhaps you could have the master seem more bored, balancing his head on his hand, like he's seen it all before. Maybe have him sat in something like a throne? But the woman is looking pretty good, nice weight to those exposed cheeks, and lovely hair. Keep at it, this has the potential to be good!

Korline
03-31-2005, 08:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112302819_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112302819_large.jpg)

first look at the one of the chcaracters

Korline
03-31-2005, 08:12 PM
Thank you guys for all the suggestions, I did enlarged canvas to actually see the points
but the stairs are still off, are they suppose to change the horizon line ?
I will change proportions a bit and see what happens

Korline
04-01-2005, 05:25 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112379949_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112379949_large.jpg)

Hi there,
I hope this is better
I decided to get rid of third character
cose is to much said, and is to obvious
and I would like it more mystical, like you have to look more and think
what is the relationship between characters

Korline
04-01-2005, 09:22 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112394171_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112394171_large.jpg)

shield design,
I want to see if this theme
would go good with the rest

NOOB!
04-01-2005, 09:24 PM
looking great so far.

did u manage to fix the perspective problem yet?

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Wow, love the color scheme on this one:)

THE Wizard
04-01-2005, 09:35 PM
nice colors, and nice ass she has!:thumbsup:

My Master & SerVanT 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

Korline
04-01-2005, 10:18 PM
thanks
I think the perspective is good now, what do you think about proportions?
I hope to be able to move to the next stage this weekend,
and start working on the Lady (can't wait for that one)
I like the colors in there, I think I'll stick to this theme

redfrog
04-01-2005, 10:25 PM
Jarek Sznytzer has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6848)

Latest Update: Concept Sketch: intentions
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112394171_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112394171_large.jpg)

shield design,
I want to see if this theme
would go good with the rest

It's coming along nicely... Not sure what your exact thinking is with the theme of the shiels but it would be maybe cool if the shield decoration sort of symbolically told the story of what was happening in the rest of the illustraion.Just a thought. Great work.

Korline
04-01-2005, 10:34 PM
thanks
I mean more style, I think that is the great idea
with the story, I'm thinking to do something like that
with the detail in the room

Korline
04-02-2005, 08:32 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112434373_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112434373_large.jpg)

the first look at he Lady the color is little off
but I'm happy with her
I, m planing to finish line art tomorrow
and maybe some more detail

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 10:06 AM
ur proportions are great,colours looks nice

keep goin!

Korline
04-02-2005, 03:13 PM
thanks NOOB, I'm going to work on the rest sometime today
I think the color I mean skin tones are to dark

Korline
04-03-2005, 11:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112570468_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112570468_large.jpg)

almost there with her
not sure about color still and the light source,
I had to trim her a bit, I like it better
still working on the final line art, hopefully I will have done today
don't think I'll change much in composition, only detail
and color maybe see different light angles, I think that is what is going to bring this all together
any better ideas

Korline
04-04-2005, 04:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112633435_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112633435_large.jpg)

Hi there,
I think I'm done with the concept
this would be my next stage,
now I want to develop more depth and detail
still not sure about color theme

Korline
04-05-2005, 05:19 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112721575_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112721575_large.jpg)

Hi there,
started slowly coloring
this is going to take a while
I think skin tone is a little to dark
any suggestions?

Korline
04-06-2005, 04:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112806068_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112806068_large.jpg)

some more
color testing

NOOB!
04-06-2005, 05:02 PM
looks excellent,perspective is fixed.

keep goin!

Korline
04-06-2005, 07:26 PM
thanks,
hopefully this work better,
still going to work on color
and thanks for help with the perspective

Korline
04-07-2005, 07:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112859018_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112859018_large.jpg)

working with the ugly guy,
it's pretty late here

Korline
04-07-2005, 04:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112891492_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112891492_large.jpg)

this is more improved shield design
I think the color is right,
but I'm not sure how to bring up more metallic reflections,
do you guys have any hints maybe

Korline
04-07-2005, 07:32 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112902324_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112902324_large.jpg)

Hi there,
I'm working more on the guy now
trying to find the right tones for him, don't like
what's happening with his face,
started to look like from the planet of the apes,

Korline
04-07-2005, 10:28 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112912898_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1112912898_large.jpg)

did a little more work on the whole thing

Korline
04-09-2005, 07:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113031737_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113031737_large.jpg)

got rid of a monkey looking face

NOOB!
04-09-2005, 08:19 AM
the gold looks complety off against the blueness,i think u may need to make the gold more saturated and give it a slight blue tint of u want it to work.

Korline
04-10-2005, 06:31 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113114702_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113114702_large.jpg)

thanks for the tip NOOB,
I'm not sure about colors yet
that's why I didn't really pay attention to that
is it any better now?

NOOB!
04-10-2005, 07:22 AM
yeh looks much better.u can still go back in and add little gold glows or sparkles on the edges of the sheild or his shoulder armour.

Korline
04-10-2005, 10:54 PM
thanks, I'm working on overall color now I'm not there yet
but I 'm starting to get the feel what I want :banghead:

Korline
04-10-2005, 11:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113174021_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113174021_large.jpg)

still looking for right color theme

NOOB!
04-11-2005, 08:02 PM
i'm still luvin it.!!

Korline
04-11-2005, 08:14 PM
thanks dude, you keeping me alive here
I'm also thinking about starting new concept that I've been sketching

Korline
04-12-2005, 07:10 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113333037_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113333037_large.jpg)

trying to focus more on the room as a whole thing
don't like guy's face his expression rather none expression
and there is something wrong with the proportions

NOOB!
04-12-2005, 07:39 PM
are u interacting with everyone in the challenge??,cos i seem to be the only one replying.

anyway i think the proportions are fine,now that i see it again, the shield cud interact with the background a bit more,it looks like its just been pasted there.

BlacKeri
04-12-2005, 07:53 PM
Oh I really like this picture :) I would maybe make the scene a bit less dark, but it's a personal preference, I love the lady's facial expression, she looks so "I don't care" in the mistress' kind of way :P Lookin' good!

Korline
04-12-2005, 07:57 PM
not as much as I should and want to but I'll work on that

there is a lot that is not integrated with the background,
can't find enough time
thanks for your comments there are very helpful :cry:

Korline
04-13-2005, 01:29 AM
thanks BlacKeri,
I was going for this I don't care/borred look, now I'm trying to focus on the guy
and his thoughts, I'm still thinking how to do it
the whole scene will be lighter but I want to keep a little darkness in it

Korline
04-13-2005, 08:46 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113381985_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113381985_large.jpg)

i made a little adjustment to the whole thing,
because it seem to me it's a little without any meaning
so, what it is, kind like She is bored and not really interested
in what He is doing for Her, (I'm not making much sense here
but I'll get to this later)
and He, He is like someone that can not stop, thinking about her
even thou He shouldn't, and you can see His thoughts and you can read them,
something like that

To answer your question KNOOB, I've been looking at all stuff out there
and got to admit my jaw drop to the floor plenty of times, it make's me feel like,
I think somebody already said this, like, take my crayons and go back to preschool

anyway as you can see I just suck in writing comments, but wrote some anyway,
maybe not most brilliant ones, but I'll keep trying

and thanks for checking

Korline
04-15-2005, 05:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113585127_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113585127_large.jpg)

so, don't about this one
I was so frustrated with the Servant character, the pose, the look, expression
I mean everything, so I decide to change it,
so this is a sketch of a new and improved angel with a dark side, had to put him on diet,
also I think his wings need to be bigger, but for now I'm just hoping for the right expression and proportions
all you Masters out there please let me know is it any better or it's just sucks all together

marcheen
04-16-2005, 05:09 PM
hello. thanks for stopping by and for useful comments. the new guy looks better only i think his legs should be a little longer. you have created a nice mood and that girls is very cute;) powodzenia!

Korline
04-17-2005, 09:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113729117_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6848/6848_1113729117_large.jpg)

thank you Marcin
since I've been having problems with the dark angel character
I decided to redo it i couldn't find anything that would work for it, so I
took few picks for the reference, so yeah I've bin trying to make my
ugly mug look decent, not sure how it's looks, but I want to this creature to have this smirk look
and I can't do it without references,
I still think the is something wrong with the proportions, but I want get the expression right first
any critics please

marcheen
04-17-2005, 09:52 AM
the new face of the guy is looking really well. only o don't know what the story exactly is and what his expression should be tellig us. and i think that the arms were better in the previous update.

Korline
04-18-2005, 05:29 PM
Marcin thank you for the comment,
the story behind is that let say hi is supposedly the servant but there is another connection
between them that's maybe forbidden, but he knows he has some power over her
that's why I'm trying to get his expression somehow to show this and it's not easy
it's kind of like, we think we are in control, but is it really the truth or maybe we are being controlled
without even knowing that, It's not easy for me to explain this
so is he really the servant, or maybe he is in control not by let say his powers but his feelings
the arms are very hard for me to draw at this angle, but o well I chose it cause I think gives more depth
so I'll keep trying make them right

marcheen
04-18-2005, 05:41 PM
so maybe it could be a good idea to show the relation between them to some degree by making him look at her with passion for example. ( i mean who wouldn't look like that a the girl like this one hehe) or so that his expression would make him look as he was loyal to her.
and about the arms it's good to have a reference because it is not easy to get it right. or maybe you can make him wear amrmor. it could be easier to twist his arms then.

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