View Full Version : Positioning of realworld camera for HDRI
RobinOberg 03-28-2005, 09:08 AM Hi
I was thinking about buying a fisheye lens for my digital camera.
To try to make fake HDR light probes.
So that I can add rendered objects easier into a photo with a 'normal' lens in the same environment.
Like, I take a photo on a birthday party with a 'normal' lens, and then a photo with the fisheye lens to get the lighting, then add some cakes and devils or something in my 3d program.
But, where would the ideal position be for the fisheye lens photograph?
Should it be in the center of the room, or should it be in the center of the 'normal' photograph, or should it be between the photographer and the location where my items will be rendered. Or should it be exactly where my items will be...
It's farfetched, this idea of mine.
I'll probably not go through with it.
But it sounds like an interesting idea, and I'd like to consider dreaming :)
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rendermaniac
03-28-2005, 11:19 AM
You should take the fisheye images from where the rendered object will be (or as close as you can get). Also keep the camera level with the ground, otherwise you will need to rotate the texture around.
Simon
TheWriter
03-30-2005, 01:40 AM
So you are attempting to do this without the aid of a chrome ball? :P
RobinOberg
03-31-2005, 08:59 PM
You should take the fisheye images from where the rendered object will be (or as close as you can get). Also keep the camera level with the ground, otherwise you will need to rotate the texture around.
Simon
Cool :)
But what if I have several objects farther apart, should I try to get some kind of medium distance between all of them?
So you are attempting to do this without the aid of a chrome ball? :P
Yeah, why make it easy ;)
And I'm kind of lazy to use a tripod, which would kind of get in the way at parties and stuff.
rendermaniac
03-31-2005, 09:37 PM
Cool :)
But what if I have several objects farther apart, should I try to get some kind of medium distance between all of them?
Yeah, why make it easy ;)
And I'm kind of lazy to use a tripod, which would kind of get in the way at parties and stuff.
Depends how acuarte you need to be. If you have a very small scene where the lighting is changing pretty dramatically between the objects then ideally you would want a set of fisheye images for each cg object you are putting in. If you are a large, more overcast scene then one set of fisheyes near the middle of your group would do. If it's completely overcast you can probably get away with a gradient on a skydome, unless you need to reflect things near or below the horizon.
Simon
-Vormav-
04-01-2005, 02:01 AM
And I'm kind of lazy to use a tripod, which would kind of get in the way at parties and stuff.
...how exactly would you expect to take pictures for creating light probes without a tripod though?:surprised
TheWriter
04-01-2005, 08:11 AM
Perhaps he intends to take multiple exposures VERY quick :P
RobinOberg
04-02-2005, 09:18 AM
...how exactly would you expect to take pictures for creating light probes without a tripod though?:surprised
With "Image Stabilisation" features and a steady hand, it shouldn't be that hard.
I only need to take two pictures.
Perhaps "Stitch mode" could help aswell, but I haven't tried that one yet.
One advantage using fisheye lens over a reflective ball is that I don't have to use it only for fake light-probes, I can also use it for some extreme wide shots in photos. Perfect for those shots that takes an entire city, or a valley. (we have a few of those here, so..)
They are kind of expensive, so the more uses I can find for one, the better reason to get one I have :)
rendermaniac
04-03-2005, 10:20 PM
I would definitely recommand using a tripod - or a monopod at minimum. But with a chrome ball, unless you have your ball on the ground on a table or the ground, you will need two tripods.
A tripod is worth the effort - even a mini one.
Simon
-Vormav-
04-04-2005, 08:01 PM
With "Image Stabilisation" features and a steady hand, it shouldn't be that hard.
I only need to take two pictures.
Perhaps "Stitch mode" could help aswell, but I haven't tried that one yet.
One advantage using fisheye lens over a reflective ball is that I don't have to use it only for fake light-probes, I can also use it for some extreme wide shots in photos. Perfect for those shots that takes an entire city, or a valley. (we have a few of those here, so..)
They are kind of expensive, so the more uses I can find for one, the better reason to get one I have :)
Agreed on the advantages of a fisheye lens. I'm looking to pick one up myself.
But I'll second what rendermaniac is saying. Seems like you'd need the tripod just to keep the exposure from blurring (I wouldn't think that these are the kind of shots that you'd want to use your flash with..).
But hey, hope that works for you.
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