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Aragorn A.
03-27-2005, 08:52 PM
Nikolay Toshev has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6766)

Latest Update: Final Image: Master and Servant
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115914874_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115914874_large.jpg)

After some minor last minute tweaking, here's the final image.

Thank you all again and good luck! :)

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 08:53 PM
welcome,good luck!!

eclipson
03-27-2005, 08:54 PM
same here, goodlux!:thumbsup:

Aragorn A.
03-27-2005, 08:56 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1111956990_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1111956990_large.jpg)

Hi guys, I’m really happy to be here and participate in the Challenge, good luck to all of you!

You know, upon first hearing of the Challenge’s topic, I started thinking of doing a classic fantasy piece, really dramatic, symbolic and stuff, but after a few preliminary sketches in my sketchbook I didn’t really think the idea was working and kinda lost interest quickly. Then I came to the idea of doing this humorous, perhaps even touching take on the subject, a kind of lighthearted observation on the paradoxes of the master-servant relationship. A 19th century villager guy travels with a donkey, but you know donkeys, they tend to just stop walking from time to time, so when this donkey (the servant, right ;)) reaches the top of the bridge, it suddenly refuses to continue a single step forward – be it as a form of protest against his master or just because of some elaborate “donkey” reason of his own – so the man (the master… or is he ;)) can’t do a thing but beg the donkey to keep walking. He doesn’t beat him, he doesn’t pull him, he just talks to him, and as the day goes by, the man gets more and more desperate and the donkey – more and more determined. That’s it. Truly epic, huh? J

You see I tried to keep it as simple and communicative as possible, so I hope I’ll be able to make the concept clear at a glance, leaving enough little places place for hints of an engaging backstory and perhaps even symbolics and message to be filled in by the viewer’s mind. I’d love to hear some suggestions as to how to emphasize the ideas and the overall emotiveness of the piece. I’m also beginning to think about a suitable title for the piece to further strengthen the comical or dramatic effect, so feel free to give suggestions – something funny along the lines of “Stuck Together” or humorously ambiguous such as “My servant and I” would do fine, I think. ;)

Just a note too – I’ve chosen quite a weird composition, so after the initial sketch I fiddled with it on Photoshop and made the three variants you see – my personal favorite is the first one to the left, but I’d appreciate any help with the choice and perhaps advice on better compositions.

Soon I’ll post a few variations on the man and donkey’s characters so that I could pick the final one easily with your help.

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 09:00 PM
great idea and drawings,i wud pic the last one,cos it shows how much distance there is between the bridge and..well whats around it.

eclipson
03-27-2005, 09:09 PM
hi Aragorn a, Love the concept, but whats the story for the river flowing background?, if ur emphasizing more on the donkey and the oldman, i think u should pick the one in the centre, just a suggestion, or if u could, change the camera angle, hope to see ur next piece dude,all the best for ya!!:thumbsup:

Ilikesoup
03-28-2005, 01:26 AM
You've got a vote each for drawing #2 and #3, so I'll go with #1. :D
Seriously, though. I like #1 because the bridge seems higher and a more unusual place for them to stop. I also like the stonework on the bridge.

Why not push the tension of the situation and put them on an old, frayed rope bridge that could give way at any moment? I love the donkey's expression--very stubborn looking--but put him in a position that says "I'm here to stay, old man", like have him sitting on the ground. And the old man is PLEADING because he knows they're in a very dangerous situation.

I really like your style and am eager to see this develop. Good luck and keep sketching!

Brownboot
03-28-2005, 02:01 AM
Brilliant. It'd be good if it started raining too.

Miker
03-28-2005, 02:19 AM
number 2's composition is overall balanced, although i think 1 would work for its exageration and also goes well with this comedy. just my 2 cents. anyway not to say the least, this is a great start so far.

cuppacam
03-28-2005, 02:22 AM
I like it. Good idea and I reckon the third one!!

Aragorn A.
03-28-2005, 05:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112030213_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112030213_large.jpg)

Thanks for the response, guys, I'll have your comments in mind while further working on the pic.

Here's a bit of a more detailed character study, we'll see how much of it will make it to the line art.

kinnas
03-28-2005, 05:18 PM
those hands scream Asterix! to me : D I love it, lots of nostalgical value for me.

Aragorn A.
03-28-2005, 05:27 PM
Yeah, that was one of my favorite comics as a kid, too. :)

Soon I'll post some different hand gestures to see which one fits the emotion best... You know, types of begging and stuff.

walrus
03-28-2005, 05:32 PM
Really nice work so far! I like layout #2 because it places more emphasis on the characters in the center, rather than placing the landscape as the central focus with the characters almost more of a frame. I think you could push the donkey's sullen expression more, but I know you're still working on it and will keep on sketching. Good luck with it! :-)

-mike

Aragorn A.
03-30-2005, 04:06 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112198798_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112198798_large.jpg)

OK, I have to be quick: haven't finalized the concept yet, but I felt I needed to experiment with some color schemes (to be honest, now it looks like a cheap postcard to me... probably must try different colors and sun not that bright...), so it's still a concept sketch. Sunset, night is coming, so they obviously must've stayed there all day. Added some debris falling into the river as if the bridge was crumbling. Made the composition even more awkward playing with the bridge's height for comical, dramatic or whatever effect, I don't know - I guess I'm going to have to draw attention to the characters through work on details rather than composition. Bad news is, I don't really have time to work on the challenge. Anyway, I'll do my best, then see what happens...

Aragorn A.
03-31-2005, 05:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112288917_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112288917_large.jpg)

Small update on the color study...

ChrisThatGuy
03-31-2005, 05:54 PM
I like that there's dirt crumbling from the bridge.

TheFirstAngel
04-01-2005, 09:01 PM
great work, i like the subtile humor of it and the style you create your works. great and funny, keep it up, wish you goodluck and loadsa fun, cheers

Aragorn A.
04-02-2005, 04:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112461139_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112461139_large.jpg)

Thank you all, guys, your support really means a lot to me.

Here's the line art. Tried to keep it simple, I'll add most of the details in the color WIP. Decided to keep the disbalanced composition after all, I also added this "fish eye" type of camera distorted perspective to add to the sense of height. Not much changes in the characters or the bridge at this point, I will define my new ideas about them more clearly in the coloring process, and I'll resort to detail painting to draw the attention from the overbearing weight of the background to the characters. The idea behind the background and the shapes in it, BTW, is to have it look a bit otherworldly and (possibly ;)) hinting at a different level of meaning or scale of the treatment of the subject matter to muse upon, as opposed to the pretty commonplace and communicating nature of the characters... but yeah, at this point of the work - nevermind.
Well, that's it from me for now. Can't wait to get to serious painting of the piece.

Neozoom
04-02-2005, 05:30 PM
HAHAHAHA very funny idea!!
me loves it^^
Can't wait to see the achievement^^
great :)

MechaHateChimp
04-02-2005, 05:39 PM
Thats awesome:)

Reminds me a little of the don quijote story. At first I thought the sketch could be better if there was a little more perspective so that you could close in on the characters more and shorten the distance between them and the bottom of the river. But your color studies look great so I will wait until you have a closely completed illustration. Great work!

TheFirstAngel
04-03-2005, 02:32 PM
clean nice update... keep on goin!

Dee Lane
04-03-2005, 02:51 PM
Heh, cool horse :)

Aragorn A.
04-04-2005, 06:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112636683_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112636683_large.jpg)

First Coloring WIP. The final image will be bigger, of course. My intended approach to painting is to consciously stay away from realistic digital painting techniques and make it look more like a natural media illustration of a fairy tale or a fable coming from folklore - I guess that is the most effective treatment (you know... funny yet sad, simple yet wise, etc...) of subjects such as this challenge's and I hope I will manage through painting to give it a certain magical feel that will tie nicely to the concept.

Aragorn A.
04-06-2005, 04:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112802907_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112802907_large.jpg)

Some detail from the painting work...

jolyrojr2
04-06-2005, 04:59 PM
I really like your work. i like your deviation from the scifi-fantasy. keep it up!

Aragorn A.
04-06-2005, 05:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112805605_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112805605_large.jpg)

Sorry, last update for today...
The full layout after some color correction.

kornel
04-06-2005, 10:31 PM
Yes, yes, yes... lovely story telling and mood on it!

cheers: Kornél

Aragorn A.
04-07-2005, 06:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112894000_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112894000_large.jpg)

Some update on the background... I guess I should be careful working on it more and spend some time on the characters instead... Shift the attention to them to a greater extent...

Aragorn A.
04-08-2005, 02:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112966009_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1112966009_large.jpg)

Minor updates here and there... I fixed the bridge's symmetry a bit, pulled the mountain road to the right closer to the center, added the crumbles falling, worked some more on the characters and overall tried to give it more of a natural media look.

kekata
04-08-2005, 02:34 PM
cool!
mnogo mi haresva ;) napomnq mi na Hitar petar :))
Uspeh!

yoff
04-10-2005, 12:39 PM
Oh, this is briliant! The expression on the donkey...I laughed out loud. Who is the master, and who the servant? :)

Since you have chosen such explicit brush strokes, it would be wonderful if you could have them add to the story of the picture...like suggesting rain. Right now they sort of suggest a scorching sun (with the extended rays), but the rider does not look bothered by heat (and it seems to be eavening).

eparts
04-10-2005, 01:10 PM
this is really fun :) I love your style, how it reminds of Edvard Munch, especially of his famous picture, Scream.
I like the plot.. its really funny. And you show well that he has been sitting a while, letting that night sky with stars sneak in from the right.

i have to say, watch out about the water reflections down there.. you have made a reflection of the sun it seems, in the middle of the riverdelta. when the sun is that much to the left, it would be natural to set the reflection far more left on the water.. depends how realistic you want this to be, though

good work so far! lovely colortone, and great variety :thumbsup:

Djampa
04-10-2005, 01:19 PM
It is really cool.
I cant help much by now, but keep going, I really liked your work, it feels very interesting, all the concept is very creative and the colors are great.

Gratz,

Aragorn A.
05-12-2005, 04:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115913044_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115913044_large.jpg)

Sadly, I didn't have time enough to pay proper attention to the challenge. I'm going to have to rush the final milestones to finish in time. Here's the final coloring; final image coming soon. Thanks heartily to everyone who contributed and supported me, it's been a great time. :)

authentic
05-12-2005, 05:00 PM
Funny picture with original brushes

kornel
05-12-2005, 05:15 PM
Great Nikolaj! I love much the mood of your pic... I remember the old (east) child book stile at my childhood... :applause:

keep painting!

cheers: Kornél

(sorry for my poor english)

Aragorn A.
05-12-2005, 05:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115914874_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6766/6766_1115914874_large.jpg)

After some minor last minute tweaking, here's the final image.

Thank you all again and good luck! :)

TheFirstAngel
05-21-2005, 06:15 PM
hehe, so sweet so vivid and so cool! congratulations on your final piece, and all the best on the finals!

blakbird
05-25-2005, 08:22 AM
INTERESTING WORK. I liked it.

thewicky
05-25-2005, 11:12 AM
I like the style very much - it's so plastic and nicely colored! Good Luck!

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