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CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:18 AM
Corey Loving has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6538)

Latest Update: Final Image: Enslaved to Sin
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1116484947_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1116484947_large.jpg)


We are all enslaved to our sins, the things we've done wrong in the past that tend to hunt us. There is a struggle within everyone's soul to be from that damnation and to attain that goodness within one’s self that is just out of reach. That was the theme for this piece. It represents the struggle within all of us to become better people.

The girl is reaching for her angel, who is dressed in armor, ready to fight for her freedom. But the girl is being held back by a devil-like creature by chains and a spike ball from becoming truly free. She is on her knees struggling and crying; trying to do anything she can to escape. The face in the background is blindfolded, and the there is evidence of a struggle going on because there is rebel everywhere. I wanted the background to look like a place of judgment, I just hope I conveyed that somewhat.

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you for helping me grow as an artist. I’ve learned so much from this competition and am excited about the future. I hope to see you guys in future challenges, helping to make this community grow. Alright guys! Till next time! Good luck to you all!

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:29 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739389_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739389_large.jpg)

Heres is the sketch for my initial idea. I actually saw this in my sketch book from drawing at school and thought it would be nice for the contest entry.

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:31 AM
Accidently repeat

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:34 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739682_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739682_large.jpg)

Started adding some of the coloring in photoshop and painter, I might change it later on.

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:38 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739919_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111739919_large.jpg)

Some more coloring done in photoshop and painter. I dont know what I'm going to do for the background yet. I might make the image longer horizontaly or maybe even vertically. Maybe I'll add in a tower or something in the background...hmmm tough choice...

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111740322_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111740322_large.jpg)

Alittle bit of the orc has been smoothin out. The face, head, and hair. That's it for tonight. Time for bed.

duddlebug
03-25-2005, 09:22 AM
I'm surprised you haven't had more comments on this... there's some lovely drawing. The Orc's face, in particular, looks really great.

My crit would be that the composition isn't working as well as it could. The Orc looks very low down next to the faerie girl. He could be towering over her more... maybe putting her into shadow... Or rotate the angle of view a bit so you can see her face (and her fear?). And i think the faerie's neck looks a little short...

I think with the length of the deadline it'd be worth considering making a few changes to really strengthen the piece and meet the potential of the main parts of the drawing...

Sorry if that's all a bit much (they're just suggestions) but parts of the drawing are excellent and i think with changes it could be really strong!!

AlyFell
03-25-2005, 09:33 AM
Yes, I echo Duddlebugs comments. :) I'm interested to see what's going on in the background...

NOOB!
03-25-2005, 09:40 AM
this looks so great!!!

Velinov
03-25-2005, 09:44 AM
More then nice start. Keep it up!!! It gona be hard competition:thumbsup:


MY "Master and servant" thread (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=221933)

www.velinov.com (http://www.velinov.com/)

ms@zx
03-25-2005, 10:00 AM
i like ur idea of the ogre and the fairy~!
i'm with duddle and posh.
here's the commment,the overall proportion for the fairy is off for example the fairy doesnt seem to hava a neck and the shoulder seems to be off towards the back.if its a gal,the body doesnt represent her,and her arms are too short interms of normal human proportion.
the background seems interesting though,maybe u can add more details to depict the settings more accurately.just my honest opinion
it will be a great piece of work if the errors are being corrected:)

walrus
03-25-2005, 05:10 PM
Good work so far. The skin tones and the light are very nice,. At the same time, I completely agree with ms@zx about the fairy proportions. You have almost 2 months! Don't rush too far ahead with the painting before the basics are worked out, take your time! :-)
Good luck!

-mike

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 05:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111773586_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111773586_large.jpg)

Fooling Around with the elf and orc idea abit. I'm going to keep sketching and see if I can get a better perspective, or just move on to a new idea.

madone01
03-25-2005, 06:40 PM
these are some wonderful starting u got going on here :applause: :applause:

GaeasHerald
03-25-2005, 06:52 PM
Hey, the first color wip looked cool! I agree that the proportions were a bit off, but the shading of the girls legs was spectacular :thumbsup: (I don't use that word often, so it's a big compliment). The new color scheme looks good, but the girl is too far away and she looks weirdly small. Try placing her closer, so that her expresions read better. There's still a lot of time, so take it easy and have fun. :)

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 06:31 PM
ur latest update is very dramatic,i like!!

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 06:06 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112076403_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112076403_large.jpg)

I decided to change the concept a bit after asking people ( my grandma especially). I finally came up with this idea. It stays close to the orignal concept I had, but this time its a girl fighting to get to "Good" which is represented by the warrior angel, but she is kept back by her "Sins", the devil org creature. I like this concept much better. What do you guys think?

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 08:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112085935_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112085935_large.jpg)

Hey all! Just decided to work on the background a little bit. What do you think so far?

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 02:25 PM
Thanks for all the feedback guys, but let me ask you, any suggestions on how I can make my composition stronger?

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 06:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112121278_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112121278_large.jpg)

Hey all, started to work on the angel and demon orc abit more. Any critiques?

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 06:45 PM
man i wish i saw the update previous to ur last sooner,cos then i wudda told u to go for a more dramatic angle,not just in the character,but in the background.

but it still looks great!

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 06:47 PM
yeah I was thinking about that too...Hmm any suggestions?

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 06:49 PM
nothing springs to mind just yet,but i wud luv to see a clearer shot of that angel character.hehe

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 06:52 PM
LOL, sure thing, I'll work on a better angle for the picture. I felt like the composition was sorta weak...But I wanted to do a horizontal oriented piece instead of verticle. Hmmm This is gonna be tougher than I thought...but it's fun working on it too. Thx for the feedback Noob!!!:thumbsup:

TheFirstAngel
03-29-2005, 06:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111773586_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1111773586_large.jpg)


i liked that layout very much, because it has much power. your new attemp looses the piont of that hopeless tragedy, wich atcually has a huge emotional power. THe "angelknight is cool, but i feel like he is sort of not needed for a stron piece, couz it already is one, without him.
of course thats just my own personal tase. love your style, looking forward to more progress :) keep it up mate!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 07:06 PM
i liked that layout very much, because it has much power. your new attemp looses the piont of that hopeless tragedy, wich atcually has a huge emotional power. THe "angelknight is cool, but i feel like he is sort of not needed for a stron piece, couz it already is one, without him.
of course thats just my own personal tase. love your style, looking forward to more progress :) keep it up mate!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hmmm...I see what you mean...But one thing I didnt like about that concept was the fact that it seemed like the girl didnt have any emotion. I wanted to show more of a struggle. So the subdued slave is much better ah? I'll try to go with that then for my next composition! Thx alot for the critque th1st_angel!:thumbsup: Back to the drawing board...er...drawing tablet......yeah...you know what I mean :D

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 07:08 PM
don't get rid of the angel.

*ahem*

*runs away*

Laramus Maximus
03-29-2005, 07:11 PM
very nice.....

Has a very dominating overtone to it.

MustardWash
03-29-2005, 07:57 PM
Great work so far!! :applause: I really dig your style. The idea is great too. I agree with the1st_angel about the composition. There is alot of emotion in that piece. I (personally) like the idea of the angel to the rescue. Your angels armor is dang cool too.

Maybe you could incorporate the two? The angel in the distance high up on a broken pillar. The poor girl crawling towards her/him as the deamon, in the foreground, looks menacing and mean. I think that would look nice.....

Keep up the good work! Cant wait to see what your final composition will look like! :thumbsup:

Silveraxe
03-29-2005, 08:03 PM
looks amazing!

the demon orc's anatomy needs some changes though... his arm is a lil short and legs are a lil too huge... other than that its just perfect!

best of luck!!

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 08:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112129297_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112129297_large.jpg)

Ok guy and gals, this is another concept. I want to convey the emotion of the slave more...I think this does it much better...but I do wish I could add the warrior angel back in :( ...Oh well I'm sure There is a way...or is this concept better?

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 08:55 PM
i have two problems with this one.

ONE: NO ANGEL?!?!?!?..........HE WILL LOOK LIKE A SISSY FLYING IN THE BACK!!!

TWO: i've never been a fan of these full on shots,dynamic angles,dynamic angles!!!


but its an excellent illustration none the less.

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 09:16 PM
i have two problems with this one.

ONE: NO ANGEL?!?!?!?..........HE WILL LOOK LIKE A SISSY FLYING IN THE BACK!!!

TWO: i've never been a fan of these full on shots,dynamic angles,dynamic angles!!!


but its an excellent illustration none the less.

darn you ! LOL, I was sad to see the angel go too :sad: but it's hard trying to think of a composition with both the angel warrior and the demon orc all in the same picture. It would see the best way to do that is by going horizontal, but the horizontal picture I allready made was too boring ...the angle and the emotion of the characters wasn't very award wining. I dont know what to do!:eek: :eek: :eek:

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 09:20 PM
i liked the concept b4 with the angel but i just wanted to see it at a more dynamic angle,like from above...or semi above,or mid view,i dunno,just not a flat angle.

its up 2 u in the end i guess.

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 09:44 PM
i liked the concept b4 with the angel but i just wanted to see it at a more dynamic angle,like from above...or semi above,or mid view,i dunno,just not a flat angle.

its up 2 u in the end i guess.

Nah you have a good point, I'll figure out a better concept to add with the angel back in. Maybe I'll just rotate the angle of the horizontal picture. BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD! TABLET...MONITOR....Yeah....:shrug:

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 07:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112168249_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112168249_large.jpg)

Ok, so heres the same exact idea from my 3rd concept with the warrior angel, but just at a different angle...I think its more dynamic..so what do you guys think of this composition?

AlyFell
03-30-2005, 07:58 AM
Yup, this is an excellent angle of view, and sooo much more dynamic ( for a dynamic story) than the previous one. Buuut.. I can't make up my mind if I prefer this one or the one the1st_angel said was more powerful. In the end the posing in this version is excellent, so probably this one.... gee, I'm wibbling a bit... :)

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 08:12 AM
Hey... i'm with Posh on this one...

The composition is MUCH more dynamic... an excellent update. And i really like the qualities of the sketching. But...(sorry)... it lacks some of the emotion because both the important figures are facing away from the camera (the girl and the demon). Maybe it'd be worth trying a very similar image but from behind the warrior angel...? I think the face of the girl could be very important to the image... Or maybe not... but it could be worth doing a rough to try it...?

Oh... i dunno...

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 08:24 AM
Poshspice: Thx alot, was alot of work, but I like this compostion alot more too. I personaly dislike the one the 1st_angel said was more powerful. it just seems too flat to me...But hey I'm glad you like :)

duddlebug: Thx for the compliment., but yeah you make a good point...I suppose it does lack emotion from the back...but then again emotion can be shown in more ways than just the face. The entire body can show emotion if done right...I think....lol...but I actually did try this same picture from the front with the angel in the forground and the girl reaching up towards the viewer...I got really frustrated because it wasnt turning out the way I wanted it to...I'll try again and see if I can pull it off. Thanks for the critique!

Actually I'm starting to think that this composition is too cluttered...Too much random lines all over the place...And the figures are so small...Darn...I hate composition ! Will it ever end !?! Back to the drawing board. Thanks again for the crits guys :thumbsup:

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 09:01 AM
now thats what i'm talking bout!!!

excellent continue continue.

CONTINUE!!

the only problem i see now is..nothing.

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 09:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112174935_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112174935_large.jpg)

Ok colored the picture alittle, mainly just the background...It's making progress... :)

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 09:33 AM
*faints*

*dreams about how good the pic is*

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 09:41 AM
but then again emotion can be shown in more ways than just the face. The entire body can show emotion if done right

i think you're right... go for it!!

There's always the angel's face... ;)

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 09:43 AM
oh crap forgot to save the picture with the forground layer on..LOL....oh well...

Speaky
03-30-2005, 10:11 AM
Hey CoreyArtE, powerful stuff indeed. I looked at this thread because I liked the angle and dynamics of your latest pic, great composition, action and lighting. I find myself wondering if you are really exploring the theme of Master and Servant though. I do feel a slave is quite different in that there is no choice about their situation. A servant works for a master because they choose to... and I wonder if this will affect how you see your entry? Something to consider perhaps.

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 10:23 AM
Hey CoreyArtE, powerful stuff indeed. I looked at this thread because I liked the angle and dynamics of your latest pic, great composition, action and lighting. I find myself wondering if you are really exploring the theme of Master and Servant though. I do feel a slave is quite different in that there is no choice about their situation. A servant works for a master because they choose to... and I wonder if this will affect how you see your entry? Something to consider perhaps.

I see your point. I was trying to go with a theme " enslaved to ones sin" where as the demon is the master representing the sins that the girl cannot escape from to get to the goodness within reach(Which is what the angel represnts). But I yeah I understand what your saying..I'll add in some little servant goblins or something around the demon so it reiforces the servant theme. I guess I looked at it from a different view..Thanks for informing me of this!

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 10:26 AM
Hey CoreyArtE, powerful stuff indeed. I looked at this thread because I liked the angle and dynamics of your latest pic, great composition, action and lighting. I find myself wondering if you are really exploring the theme of Master and Servant though. I do feel a slave is quite different in that there is no choice about their situation. A servant works for a master because they choose to... and I wonder if this will affect how you see your entry? Something to consider perhaps.

*steps into convo...*

thats not to say a servant can't be mistreated by there master.

plus..cmon..jeez..95% of the entries so far are master and servant...........with a side order of slavery.

nebezial
03-30-2005, 10:33 AM
I woul disagree with NOOB on this one... It is actually 96:D u ve got a seriously dynaical composition there, definitely going the right way

Speaky
03-30-2005, 12:59 PM
CoryArtE, Noob, Nebezial - I meant no disrespect, of course anything I say is only an opinion, and I'm really impressed with the CoryArtE's obvious artistic ability! My point was only that there is a significant difference between servitude and slavery. I find that master / slave is quite a black / white, love / hate, good / evil kind of opposition, while master / servant is a much more complex relationship because it involves choice on the side of the subject. And yes, servants can be mistreated (I have a badly overburdened goblin servant in my own piece) but the point is they could say "enough is enough" and walk away if they wanted to. And this is a subtler and arguably more challenging relationship to convey.

Anyway, I won't drone on any more about it in your thread CoryArtE, I'll be interested to see where you take your ideas! :beer:

gu
03-30-2005, 01:09 PM
very very very nice:bounce: . cool monochromatic style!!

gus

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 01:09 PM
but the point is they could say "enough is enough" and walk away if they wanted to.

well...she kinda is...crawling away....

think of the monster as the old master and the angel as the new employer hahaha.

i know u weren't being disrespectfull,i just thought i wud shuv my opinion in there.

:)

W-I-L
03-30-2005, 01:15 PM
just stumbled upon this nice stuff mate!. will be watching ... last composition is very dramatic, and prob the best i think...like where it is going

nebezial
03-30-2005, 01:30 PM
There is more to a slave than a black white contrast... geez when i think about it of all the people i wrote this... kinda funny:) No prob Speaky, we know what u mean, there is a different aray of emotions in both directions, it is up to artist to decide which to choose. i personally like this work alot, my opinion is that there will be greater judging problems with all the little master- big robot- beast- thingie. dont get me wrong many of them i really like, but if more people go that way it might represent a problem. well i hope no one gets insulted, this is just a friendly advice. :D
CoreyArtE my advice is dont go with the goblins, they will not reinforce the theme, they will become a cheap mask, THINK EMOTIONS, how big is her sin, is she strong enough to seek forgiveness and in the end to forgive herself, there ara many ways to look at the work, im sure u can do it:thumbsup:

MoodyDog
03-30-2005, 01:44 PM
I love your progress, actually your latest image, really... such a good improvement, though. Its gain more dramatically mood & tone and also can go along with your concept very well!! Can't wait to see the finalize :>

Pixeldragoon
03-30-2005, 02:35 PM
I found ya. It's me, KHCloud.

Anyways, the concepts look really nice, but I'm not getting a real sense of servant and master, because she isn't bonded to the demon at al. Maybe I would add some sort of shackles and chain or a choker or something oversized. But that's just my opinion.

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 06:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112206113_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112206113_large.jpg)

Ok, didn't really change anything but had this idea of making a giant hand in the forground to go with the statue...(I know it doesn't really look like it LOL). Does this idea seem good or should I continue the peice as it was...Or continue with more concept sketches and different angles?

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 06:18 PM
well me being always the first to reply to ur work...and giving u the best ideas..bwuahah

i wud,sketch a few more angles *don't have to colour* and if one turns out better ....use that,if they come out crappy,go back to this one.

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 06:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112207078_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112207078_large.jpg)

Just playing around with lighting...just having fun right...thats what it's all about right...FUN! *Corey passes out from exhaustion*:scream:

Wilco3D
03-30-2005, 06:26 PM
Not sure if I like the close hand or whatever, but the rest of it I really like. The progression through images reading through your thread is inspirational. I really like the new angel, goodjob and goodluck ;)

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 06:50 PM
Ok then the hands goes! LOL. I dont like it much anymore either.

sidchagan
03-30-2005, 07:01 PM
Interesting composition, and far more interesting and dynamic than your first one. I think the girl should be running across the palm of the hand rather than the finger though, somehow it doesn't look very natural this way- plus it'd look better if she was trying to reach farther up. The other guy (what ever he is) looks good on the thumb though.

Slav
03-30-2005, 07:06 PM
i like the new design alot more. will be watching out for more.

best of luck.

MoonVisionStudio
03-30-2005, 07:34 PM
I think your previous compositions were better than this latest one. Her neck and hands did need attention but the way you framed your previous concept there was no question as to what was happening.

Gord-MacDonald
03-30-2005, 08:41 PM
I like the compositions with the good/evil characters and the person reaching out to the good. I think handling this concept properly could create an very powerful dynamic. Keep up the good work!

Gord

MustardWash
03-30-2005, 11:18 PM
Wow, great progress CoreyArtE!! Love the new composition. Very dynamic and action oriented. :bounce:

I personally like the hand in the foreground.... or at least the idea of something framing the subject matter. It creates a nice curve and helps the viewers attention flow from angel to slave to deamon. Great work so far... keep em comin!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 03:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112239693_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112239693_large.jpg)

Ok all, this is yet again another angle...Same concept ofcourse but just different perspective. Ok so how is this one?

maozao
03-31-2005, 03:41 AM
wow man

great work your doing so far

really liked this last angle u sketched up
captured the emotion of the fairy

good luck

Arc80
03-31-2005, 03:42 AM
I think this is better than the last one. It's more expressive and dynamic. I don't think you need that hand on the foreground. It's better without it, i think, because you're involving the viewer or the viewer is part of the scene. Can't wait to see your color pallete on this peice.

Goodluck,
Archie

Gamoron
03-31-2005, 03:43 AM
After looking at all of them. I prefer this one the most. Not to crazy about the left hand. Just a rough, but could use a more dramatic gesture. It might help to push the group higher in the image. I agree centered wouldn't be good, but currently they look a little too pushed off the page.
:beer:

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 05:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112246111_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112246111_large.jpg)

Just starting coloring the background alittle abit and blocking in colors. I'm still not sure if I'll stick with this one or not...Hmmm...

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:22 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112260934_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112260934_large.jpg)

Ok, so I used same composition just altered it abit...made the picture longer horizontally so the warrioir angel can be seen alot more. I really like this composition alot more. I think this might be my final composition! I'd like to know what you guys think!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:24 AM
Hmm, actually, after looking at it from the thread...It looks less dynamic...Maybe I should crop it alittle...I think the girl might be too far off to the right...Hmmm

AlyFell
03-31-2005, 09:29 AM
Yup! This could be the one. Great pic with loads of energy, expression and dynamism... if anything perhaps take a bit off the left, so it balances a bit better. :bounce: Cool sketch as well!!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:39 AM
Yeah I'll probabaly cut it off on the left and add more to the top so thats its more verticle instead.

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 09:49 AM
This is looking good!! Best composition so far!

I'd just chop a little from the left...

It's got much more emotion with the girl facing the camera and the outstretched hands work really well.

Good work, fella.

ogar555
03-31-2005, 09:55 AM
Yeah, a part of the left has to go... :P
Now if this one gets better than the first, with shading and stuff then it'll be great!

Slav
03-31-2005, 03:06 PM
gets better and better with every time you update! keep it up.

ms@zx
03-31-2005, 05:18 PM
hey corey,i must say this latest sketch is my favourite among all the other sketches u did.great cam angle as well as the composition .keep it up mate!:thumbsup:

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 06:11 PM
i knew u cud do it,i knewu cud fit the angel in,i just had to wait.



LOVELY!!! use this one!

grf
03-31-2005, 06:40 PM
Hey Corey, I think this works a lot better. This way you can see the girl's expression and not just her pleading posture. You might do something to make the dude in the background stand out more. He's so tiny and far away. I think it would be better if the chain was a bit shorter and you could see him bigger. He'd be more menacing that way.

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 08:10 PM
i agree

p.s. loved the animations on ur site,wish my animation was as good as urs.

pushav
03-31-2005, 08:59 PM
Nice art work and concept. Right now I am playing the game of the year edtion of Unreal (the first one which is way better than 2003.) I am also on gamespy alot. maybe we can play unreal together.

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:04 PM
Nice art work and concept. Right now I am playing the game of the year edtion of Unreal (the first one which is way better than 2003.) I am also on gamespy alot. maybe we can play unreal together.

Sure but I warn you, I'm pretty good.:twisted:

pushav
03-31-2005, 09:11 PM
I p.m.ed you some information. And are your sketchs done with a tablet. I cant draw with a tablet at all to save my life.

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:21 PM
I p.m.ed you some information. And are your sketchs done with a tablet. I cant draw with a tablet at all to save my life.

Yeah I worked hard over the summer and was finaly able to buy a wacom intuous 2!:D But as soon as I got it, a newer one came out:shrug: Drawing with a tablet takes alot of pratice I guess, but after awhile it's easy. I guess what really helped me learn to draw with a tablet was doing my animations with my tablet. Takes alot of control to do, so drawing in painter isn't too hard in comparison.

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 09:22 PM
lol dude thats exactly what happened to me,i was so happy to get my intuos 2 then friggin 3 comes out 2 weeks later.

bah theres not much difference anyway.

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:24 PM
i agree

p.s. loved the animations on ur site,wish my animation was as good as urs.

Thx, I love your stuff on your site too. Your crew seems really cool too. We should do a link exchange:thumbsup:

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:26 PM
lol dude thats exactly what happened to me,i was so happy to get my intuos 2 then friggin 3 comes out 2 weeks later.

bah theres not much difference anyway.

I want that cintiq monitor so bad I cant stand it! All the professional animators and illustrators seem to have one! I want one too! Will make life alot easier! AAAARGGG!

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 09:26 PM
maybe a certain sumone shud join my forum first.....

*who sed that*

lol wud be nice to see u over there,we're gunna need a few new mods eventually.

and i've got a few people in mind.

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 09:28 PM
I want that cintiq monitor so bad I cant stand it! All the professional animators and illustrators seem to have one! I want one too! Will make life alot easier! AAAARGGG!

yeh man...i'm saving up for a cintiq,i know i have no chance of winning one.

and it wud make animating so much easier,i'm also gunna get the new flash 8 whens it comes out...and i need toon boom

omg!! theres so much one needs!!!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 09:39 PM
maybe a certain sumone shud join my forum first.....

*who sed that*

lol wud be nice to see u over there,we're gunna need a few new mods eventually.

and i've got a few people in mind.

LOL, sure I'll check it out! See whats going on there.

yeh man...i'm saving up for a cintiq,i know i have no chance of winning one.

and it wud make animating so much easier,i'm also gunna get the new flash 8 whens it comes out...and i need toon boom

omg!! theres so much one needs!!!

Dont say that ! You can DEFINITELY win this competetion! Dude...even though everyone here intimidates me to an unknown extent, I'll do my best to try to beat the pros here, and gain some crediability. You do the same!

OliveBeard
03-31-2005, 09:43 PM
Definitely like the newer Worms-eye angle. very dramatic, draws you into the piece more. The first one was good, but seemed too...flat.

I also like the etherial-plane effect.

Very cool man!

OliveBeard
03-31-2005, 09:48 PM
Dont say that ! You can DEFINITELY win this competetion! Dude...even though everyone here intimidates me to an unknown extent, I'll do my best to try to beat the pros here, and gain some crediability. You do the same!

Right on man. I haven't posted anything yet (a little too busy at the moment) but I'm trying. The professionals that are in this are VERY intimidating...some excellent entries are coming in...but that just makes it more of an opportunity for us n00bs. :)

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 09:50 PM
well theres 7 prizes,i'm hoping to win at least sumthin.if not..i'll try agen

i hope u get sumthin too corey.

gud luck agen!!!

pushav
03-31-2005, 10:08 PM
I already know that I am not getting anything. lol. But I am having fun.

Gamoron
03-31-2005, 10:14 PM
most recent is definitely best. Will let you know what I think once you crop it. So far it looks fantabulous!
:beer:

THE Wizard
03-31-2005, 11:24 PM
definitly stick to the picture with angel. and you may add some light aroun the angel also, something like bright glowing white light!


My MaSteR&ServAnT 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

SuperMario
03-31-2005, 11:33 PM
This is cool. The new angle you put on the illustration is more dynamic, more Drama here. Can't wait to see it finished.

Koekebakker
03-31-2005, 11:43 PM
I agree with the comments above...The scene features a good amount of depth and action now, with all the necessary elements in it to get the story across.

Miyagu
04-01-2005, 01:04 AM
i like your style a lot! :thumbsup: i´ll watch this one..

agent bone
04-01-2005, 01:41 AM
I think the last one is the strongest composition. I really like the dutch angle. Keep going!

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 04:25 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112329546_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112329546_large.jpg)

Ok all heres what I have thus far! I decided not to crop or change anything about the picture's edges until I finish the main portion. Then I'll go back and decide if the picture needs anything extra. For some reason while in sketch stage it's harder for me to decide.

teknotek83
04-01-2005, 04:36 AM
This is shaping out very nicely. Perhaps the most dramatic angle I've seen in this challenge so far. The only thing I have to "complain" about would be the foreground character's shoulder armor. It seems somewhat flat. Perhaps you'd like to show parts of it wrap around. The colors are working out fantastically! Keep on trucking! :thumbsup:

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 04:43 AM
This is shaping out very nicely. Perhaps the most dramatic angle I've seen in this challenge so far. The only thing I have to "complain" about would be the foreground character's shoulder armor. It seems somewhat flat. Perhaps you'd like to show parts of it wrap around. The colors are working out fantastically! Keep on trucking! :thumbsup:

goodpoint I'll get on that! I'll try to rough in the demon orc too, and then I'll work on the lighting after all the roughs are done!

SideAche
04-01-2005, 04:51 AM
Nice work Corey. Very dynamic. Watch the tangent with the end of the sword and hand.

NOOB!
04-01-2005, 08:46 AM
whoa,where do u find the time! excellent

send me the hi-res when the comp is over so i can have it as wallpaper.

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 09:21 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112347285_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112347285_large.jpg)

Just playing around with the angel a bit, and with lighting. Not sure if this will be final colors scheme just seeing what things might look like.

eupee
04-01-2005, 09:31 AM
far out thats good. it feels desperate. it feels cold.. its excellent.. id make the sword in the foreground a little less appartent, its taking up qwuite alot of space.

BlackDidThis
04-01-2005, 09:59 AM
The dynamism is outstanding!

Subscribing to this thread. I would love to follow up on what more you are going to do.
Can't comment on your goings since I just browsed through your pictures and haven't yet read your thread.

But I have to admit that I am VERY impressed with your works.

Keep it up!



Black

MDN67
04-01-2005, 10:18 AM
The scene is very activate, there is a lot of action in the concept, I like the graphic style and I waits for the suite of the colorization, good work:thumbsup:

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 06:51 PM
You know, the more I look at it, the more I hate it..I think I might do another composition.

ogar555
04-01-2005, 06:58 PM
oh,oh,oh! you could make the chain from the human to the demon fully stretched! Pointing out that there is no way to reach the angel! ;D

korayarts
04-01-2005, 07:04 PM
hi I like your concept and drawing good luck

Xtronik
04-01-2005, 07:08 PM
Nice to see u you man!
Awesome work so far!

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 07:15 PM
Nice to see u you man!
Awesome work so far!

Thank you! U 2...and omg I love your website design and the work on there! Makes me want to redo my website again! Do you mind if I add you as a link?

Mythmaker
04-01-2005, 07:16 PM
I like how this piece is going - great perspective and loads of drama.

I think the colours and lighting are working quite well.

The two main characters don't seem to lining up quite right - watch the eye lines.

Keep it up - it's certainly standing out at the moment :)

BloodTaster
04-01-2005, 07:33 PM
Wow! Great artwork here!! I'll stay tuned on this for sure!!:thumbsup:

artjunkie
04-01-2005, 07:53 PM
Your last composition was quite strong... but I'm interested in seeing what other goodies you'll suprise us with, if your latest wasn't doing it for you. Keep at it... you have some real skill and a great concept. Will check back later...

Cheers,

my 2D entry:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222438

NOOB!
04-01-2005, 07:57 PM
are u gunna keep the monochormatic feel or are ya gonna add different colours.

cos i kinda like the mono tones as it is..

hermine
04-01-2005, 07:59 PM
Looking good.:)

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 08:00 PM
are u gunna keep the monochormatic feel or are ya gonna add different colours.

cos i kinda like the mono tones as it is..

I dont know...I'm really undeceive:banghead: ...I just dont like how small the girl is...I was planing on changing the demon orc after I get done painting the angel and the girl, but I might move on to a whole new composition...:shrug:

maozao
04-01-2005, 08:05 PM
wow its turning up awesome
nice angle, i guess i told you that already, but i still liked it better when the woman was closer and the angel was only showing the hand
had a lot of emotion

thx for your coments on my thread

good luck keep drawing

M477
04-01-2005, 08:54 PM
wow, your artwork is impressive! there is plenty going on and the mood is about right. Keep it up, you should get something really good at the end of this. :arteest:

sidchagan
04-01-2005, 08:55 PM
Whoa...major change, all for the better. Looks a helluva lot more dynamic now, and showing the girl's face was a great idea.

Cerebr4l
04-01-2005, 09:06 PM
Corey, your stuff keeps getting better and better man, keep it up. Looking forward to your next update.

TheFirstAngel
04-01-2005, 09:40 PM
great new pov. now getting the point... keep on rockin mate!

jmBoekestein
04-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Thing that strikes me, not having seen the wips towards this, is that the left is really busy but it's had to tell what that is, only the skintones gave it away. And the girl is obviously a girl but indeed very small. It's hard to read with so little colour variation. Maybe more contrast will make it more legible though. You got some skills though, using photo's for refernce or straight?:)

pushav
04-01-2005, 10:06 PM
do you use the pen brush in painter to make your digital sketches. Your stuff is amazing.

schaal
04-01-2005, 10:36 PM
Corey Loving has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6538)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Enslaved to Sin WIP
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112347285_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112347285_large.jpg)

Just playing around with the angel a bit, and with lighting. Not sure if this will be final colors scheme just seeing what things might look like.

Very nice color mood

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 10:46 PM
do you use the pen brush in painter to make your digital sketches. Your stuff is amazing.\

THX! I use a variety of different brushes, 7 all together. If you want I could make them available on my website if you'd like. Some of the brushes I use are from Rob's site, and some are my own. Heres a screen shot of the brush I use and its properties in painter ix. http://coreyloving.com/TEMPSTuff/MyWorkFlow.jpg

teknotek83
04-01-2005, 10:52 PM
The shoulder armor is looking an infinite times better! Nice improvement! :-)

pushav
04-01-2005, 11:03 PM
yeah I have some of rob's brushes I may have to reinstall them. Just recently I made an accutal brush for sketching now. thanks.

duddlebug
04-01-2005, 11:15 PM
Cool update... and the screengrab is fab.

My only worry (sorry!!?) is how close the angel's sword (or wand thingy?) is to the girl's oustretched hand. It's kinda interfering with the two hands trying to reach each other.

Other than that... it's a great start to the painting stage!

choptider
04-02-2005, 12:39 AM
hey! you're last post seem to go in a different direction, why?
anyway, good and dinamic drawing.

Zephyri
04-02-2005, 01:14 AM
Hi Corey! I spent a good ten minutes scouring this thread. I love the progression of ideas, and seeing how you've tackled problems and made the image into this fantastic piece. The pose is so strong, and all the compositional lines really help draw your eye along the piece, taking in everything. The emotion captured on the girl's face is amazing, as is the movement in the chains holding her back, like she's just about to be yanked. Love the colour scheme too. All in all, shaping up to be very promising indeed. Fascinating to see the screen grab too, get an idea of how others work in Painter. No crits thus far, keep it up!

keko
04-02-2005, 03:02 AM
I like the color and composition. I can see a lot of emotion in this pic. best of luck!

pushav
04-02-2005, 05:55 AM
Yep that is a nice angle that you used in the picture. And great tone and atmosphere.

alex.h.
04-02-2005, 06:44 AM
thats some impresive work, love it. see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

CoreyArtE
04-02-2005, 07:26 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112426807_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112426807_large.jpg)

Hey all! Just curious, should I crop the image this much? Does it look better like this or should I show more of the angel's arm? I might just move on to another concept but I just wanted to know what you guys think of the picture this way for now?

redfrog
04-02-2005, 07:47 AM
Corey Loving has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6538)

Latest Update: Concept Sketch: Enslaved to Sin WIP
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112426807_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112426807_large.jpg)

Hey all! Just curious, should I crop the image this much? Does it look better like this or should I show more of the angel's arm? I might just move on to another concept but I just wanted to know what you guys think of the picture this way for now?


I like it cropped. The closer the crop the better the intensity i reckon. Makes it more confronting than if you were to zoom out.

Arc80
04-02-2005, 07:56 AM
what's up dude,
I like the other one better. This feels like the knight or the warrior is falling and she's trying to reach him. The lighting is much better on this one though.

cheers,
Archie

Velinov
04-02-2005, 08:59 AM
Go Corey. Your thread is nice from the begining and you keeped the good work!!!
Exelent composition and such a nice colors. Follow your next step. :thumbsup:



http://farfolina.pochta.ru/death.jpg (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=221933)

jmBoekestein
04-02-2005, 10:27 AM
Thank god, that's a relief.

Every time I post something about mise en scene and staging I get the I don't know about that. But now it's staged rightfully, Now I get the idea of them trying to get out of there, lots better.

Still a bit low on contrast colourwise, but that's probably taste on my part.

Really good stuff, I'm just hopping on for the ride.

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 11:08 AM
yeh more contrast.
but it still looks excellent.

bdblok
04-02-2005, 11:56 AM
hi!
i love this pic ;)

it has a nice mood, and i happen to love this sort of theme, so that makes it extra special :)

for the crop-question, i would like to see more of the sword, so that you can see its a sword.

gl!

Jezzarts
04-02-2005, 12:07 PM
Woooo Fantastic!! magical expressions... these really tell the story! you have the skills my friend. I like them all but would probably go foooor theee mmmm I dont know, the orc shouting at the fairy.. it's a classic!

Did you get a hard time about your last name in school?... I did, he he :)

This going to be a cool painting what ever you choose... good luck!

BlackDidThis
04-02-2005, 12:20 PM
My first reaction would be to not do so and not loose a great variaty of detail you have worked on.

But as I look at your selection and how it looks... I have to admit that the new composition is very impressive. It tells the story and looses nothing from the action. All that said the composition looks great.
I really don't know. Your choice.

I would like to offer an idea though: there is little diffrence between the foreground good guy and the background bad guy (Ok I could have found a better way to put it.. sorry). Would it be a good idea to give the one in the back a red aura or orb around him? And to have him himself in the tints?
Like then you could add in flakes of red rust to parts of the chain which would personalise the chains related to him/it, as well as help blend the new introduced colour to the whole.

What ever you do.. including leaving everything as it is and saying this is my final piece I am cool with it. They are fantastic works.

Good luck til your next update


Black

PeterPuppet
04-02-2005, 12:30 PM
The facial expressions rock like hell! I love them! Good job!:thumbsup:

Dog_Star
04-02-2005, 01:05 PM
First I want to say great job so far...

Having looked at your latest pic I would definitly do something about the sword. The way it is cropped now is way to phallic. Perhaps extend the angels left arm along the bottom of the composition for framing. then either remove the sword (which I don't think you need thematically, since you are portraying an emotional conflict rather than a physical one) or move it to the side. As it is now it is an eye trap.

As far as the coloring goes While I like the color scheme, I feel the blues are to calming for the scene, perhaps some more aggressive colors? Try making the lefthand side (the evil side) more angry. Possibly sme deep reds or purples. I like the blues for the angel though.

Of course these are just my suggestions. :thumbsup:

BaronImpossible
04-02-2005, 02:04 PM
Looking good, I like the cropped version. The perspective is well-done and dramatic, with good tension communicated (not easy to do). My suggestions ~

It's a bit too blue for me, almost duotone. What about some red underlighting or something. (Oh, just realised Dog_Star said this too!)

There are a few strange objects in the foreground (what are those white things?) that I'm not sure about. I know they're not defined yet, but even so.

The woman's legs seem to abruptly disappear.

The guy's face looks anime but the woman's face appears realistic.

Very nice work though, keep it up.

Squibbit
04-02-2005, 02:13 PM
this has formed to a nice piece! baron gave some good comments
there and I ain't got much else to say , keep up the good work :thumbsup:

MechaHateChimp
04-02-2005, 05:57 PM
Wow, your composition for the last image you posted is excellent. I just started reading your thread today and looking at the progress. That girls face is just filled with so much anguish, you can really feel as though you know this chic is just in a world of hurt. Oh and I do like the way it is cropped as well. Cant wait to see the finished piece. Beautiful work.

pushav
04-02-2005, 07:32 PM
Yep i am feelin' the hard cool light coming from the sky.

asparta
04-03-2005, 12:20 PM
yeah, the last one is great... i like the composition and the view angle, and the colors...the figures are good...seams it going to be tough contest...have fun

nebezial
04-03-2005, 01:35 PM
ALLRIGHT COREY now were talkin emotions, much more powerful:thumbsup:

SuperMario
04-03-2005, 03:26 PM
I think this new angle is good and the way you have cropped it is good also. I think you should keep this new angle and just continue to render. The dark areas make it hard to see the characters but I know your not done so keep it up.

Slav
04-03-2005, 03:28 PM
this one keep looking better and better alot is going on but i think that the face in the back ground catches the eye 1st, i am not sure if that's what you want but i thought it should be noted. :)

thumbs up from me. great work and more updates!

TheFirstAngel
04-03-2005, 08:50 PM
hmmmm, the new layout looks a bit too radically cropped for me at the moment. pov well chosen, but i'd like to quote miles davis here: Music lives trought the breaks betweenthe notes"
it is very compact at the moment, and looses trough that a bit of "highlighted" elements, everthing has hard contrasts wich makes it somehow overbusy. hope you get me... (despite my "Yoda-English"), of course, it's just my taste and my own personal view... keep it up mate,
keep on rockin!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

pushav
04-03-2005, 09:51 PM
The arm looks great. the light in the distance will turn ojects to look like a silhouette. great stuff. keep it up.

Tranchefeux
04-04-2005, 12:42 PM
Hi, Your last concept is more interesting and dynamic, surely the good
direction, good luck for the continuation. :thumbsup:

AustinM
04-04-2005, 07:55 PM
The lighting and perspective is very good. I like how the blue luminescence reflects on all objects. The woman's facial expression is very dramatic.

Reapse
04-05-2005, 05:25 AM
You are doing great job, I am wayyyy behind. Good luck to you, looks like I have no chance, ugh!

eclipson
04-05-2005, 06:13 AM
the latest one seems pretty nice and shiny, i think there's a little bit porb on the girl's left hand, too fat...just my opinion, anyways, like i said, nice and shiny, keep goin dude!:thumbsup: :)

paperclip
04-06-2005, 09:49 PM
Great stuff you have there. I can't really crit at all. I love the orc's head. You said it was similar to my own, but mine isn't as good. :twisted:
Keep up the good work!
:bounce:

taeyoungchoi
04-06-2005, 10:40 PM
Your stuff is cool and unique.
You don't have to change your subject!
There could be million stories from same subject.
So, Keep it up!
Good Luck!

eparts
04-06-2005, 10:44 PM
do not crop it more in my opinion.. this image has lots of action.. it also needs some air, or nothing will capture the eye.

Nice stuff btw, got to read more of your background material.

Korline
04-06-2005, 10:48 PM
looks creepy, love it
looks great this way

Vahn
04-06-2005, 10:48 PM
very nice work so far corey. Its fantastic how this developed form the first sketch up to the last pic :D

CoreyArtE
04-07-2005, 12:51 AM
Arc80: Good point I'll have to try to move the kngiht up a bit I suppose, I dont like this idea that much either. :shrug:

Velinov: Thx! I wish I had more time to work on it!

jmBoekestatein: Yeah the contrast is low, was really just testing colors, the psd file isn't like that only the jpeg.

NOOB!: I will add more contrast lol

bdblok: So you really think I should show more of the sword hmm? I'll see what i can do, this composition is tough. thx again! Good insight!

Jezzarts: Mr jeremy Love ! Yes my last an issue sometimes but hardly ever! LOL.

BlackDidThis: Hmm good idea, maybe I should make a red aura around the demon orc...It might throw off the color scheme of blues though... Hmm...but I'll give it a whirl and see what happens! Good crit! :thumbsup:

The Peteboy: Thx! Rock on :buttrock:

Dog Star: Yes the sword needs to be fixed, I was planing on doing that soon actually.

Baron Impossible: The croped version ay? Yeah I sorta like it too, as far as the women goes, she's suppose to be on her knees...I guess it really does show? I'll try to fix that!

Squibbit: Thx! That means alot !

Mecha Hate Chimp: Glad you like the girls face! I actually hate it! It doesn't look photo realistic the way i want it to. I'll work on it later !

pushav: I like skies : P

asparta: Glad you like composition! Took alot of work, and I dont think i'm done figuring out a good one yet!

nebezial: Wow thx! That means alot, actually because I'm one of your biggest fans !

SuperMario: Not only did I play you on nintendo, but I also agree with you. The dark areas are too dark...Just a color test after I saved jpeg, the psd file isn't like that.

Slav: Yeah I still have some rendering to do, so for now the background face is one of the sharpest things. Actually I dont mind if the face is the first thing that the viewer see's, but maybe i'll put it alittle out of focus so the main action stays vivid!

the1st_angel: Good point. I'm not sure whats ebst right now I'll keep on it !

Tranchefeux: Thx ! Good luck 2 u too!

AustinM: Glad you like : )

Repease: I'm trying! I am geting behind aswell!

eclipson: Yeah I guess the girls left hand is too fat, I'm still not done yet though still in sketch mode, but i'll get to it when I get the chance!

paperclip: Yeah my theme doesn't seem so orignal to me anymore I might do another... who knows...:shrug:

taeyoungchoi: thx for the words of wisedom, but i might change still...I have the time so I minus well explore ideas!

eparts: I guess it does need some air..lol good way of puting it!

Korline: thx, but I dont want it to look too creepy lol

Vahn: Your words mean alot, I hope you can finish your picture and get yourself a tablet one day !


Yeah I hope thats everyone...Haven't had much time to update in awhile...These school book reports are taking up all my time now! Don't teachers know that CGchallenges are just as important in life !? GRRR!!I'll try to update on the weekend! thx for all the support all! This is going to be a fun challenge !

Imriela
04-07-2005, 01:35 AM
The crop definately makes the piece more frantically dynamic. Love the tones and the tortured facial expressions!

kromosom
04-07-2005, 08:54 AM
Nice perspective, and an eye catching facial expression on the lady,
Keep up the constant wow! factor on every character, Goodwerk!

oldgraphite
04-07-2005, 05:13 PM
Nicely done. Very dynamic composition. Only comments I would make is the face in the center background looks like it could be muted down just a bit to set it back more. It pulls my attention away from the two central figures that are your focus. Also there is a light object in the lower left that seems distracting and I can't figure out what it is. Otherwise great job!

JasonChan
04-07-2005, 05:43 PM
Looking great, Corey! Overall the image looks great.

Looking back at your previous image, I think it reads better before you flipped the image. Right now it looks like the girl is trying to save the angel instead of the other way around. I think it's because of the way we read... Anyway, maybe consider flipping back over?

Also, the girl is competing with the head in the background for attention. That head is stealing the show right now and it's really not that important an ellement as far as the story goes. Maybe tone it down and bring those bright colors into the highlights of the main characters. That would help lead our eyes to the main elements better. Also, there is a tangent where the sword hilt touches the girl. It would feel a little more comfortable if you just shortened the hilt a little. Although tension in this image is not such a bad thing...

Lastly, I'd consider finding refference, or more refference for the angel. The girl looks so realistic and the angel doesn't seem to be at the same level. Because it is so close to us and we can see it so well, it should be the best looking thing in the image, I think. If you are having trouble because of the armor, maybe check out some Lord of the Rings shots of the elves or something.

This will deffinitely be an awesome piece when it's done. You already have an awesome environment and color scheme going. Just push it to finish!

Keep it up!

M477
04-07-2005, 06:11 PM
I think the pre-cropped image is best. In my eternally wize opinion! :wise:

There is a greater sense of movement and depth with more in the picture (although more work! :p)

Good luck and wish you the best whichever way you go :thumbsup:

Egara
04-07-2005, 07:01 PM
I feel the need to help the girl!
I am agree with the crop, placing the focus on the terror and the anguish.

abourabe
04-07-2005, 07:10 PM
great work I really love the idea and I'm looking forward to seeing some more !

olya
04-07-2005, 07:26 PM
Looking great:thumbsup:
Good Luck!

CoreyArtE
04-07-2005, 09:52 PM
Also, the girl is competing with the head in the background for attention. That head is stealing the show right now and it's really not that important an ellement as far as the story goes. Maybe tone it down and bring those bright colors into the highlights of the main characters. That would help lead our eyes to the main elements better. Also, there is a tangent where the sword hilt touches the girl. It would feel a little more comfortable if you just shortened the hilt a little. Although tension in this image is not such a bad thing...

Lastly, I'd consider finding refference, or more refference for the angel. The girl looks so realistic and the angel doesn't seem to be at the same level. Because it is so close to us and we can see it so well, it should be the best looking thing in the image, I think. If you are having trouble because of the armor, maybe check out some Lord of the Rings shots of the elves or something.

This will deffinitely be an awesome piece when it's done. You already have an awesome environment and color scheme going. Just push it to finish!

Keep it up!
Thx for posting Jason! And yeah you make some good points. I was just fliping it around to see if it looked any different I wasnt planing on staying in that direction, I'm glad I did flip it though so I could get better feedback.

For the background I am working my way up with the background, then going forward to the characters after thats done because an artist named arny once told me that you should choose your colors according to your background. Also I do have some references for metal pieces that I had picked up, I never thought of trying Lord of the Rings though good idea! I do have some plans for the characters that will definatly make them stick out more, but as of right now I am still sketching up concept sketches because I'm really starting to hate this one. Thx again for responding!:thumbsup: Good luck on your piece too!

Thx everyone else too for the words of inspiration!

CoreyArtE
04-08-2005, 05:35 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112934943_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1112934943_large.jpg)

Ok this is a different idea. Maybe have more angels falling downward trying to rescue the girl from her sins (represented by the demon orcs) down below? I dont know yet what I'm going to do, this is just another idea I had. What should I do, very lost right now as to what composition I should choose O_O

minduinho
04-08-2005, 06:08 AM
interesting idea! now that has more caracters, i think when finished, it will be more cool, cause we gonna take a look at every one, at many poses and realize how many time you worked on it.

minduinho
04-08-2005, 06:22 AM
its amazing too, to see how many angles of the same idea you have drawed!
man, you're incredible!

Arc80
04-08-2005, 07:32 AM
hmm...its a little busy, but i love this angle better than the last one. At lot of expressive movements and actions. Very involving piece and personally, i think this captures more of the emotion that you are trying to convey. I really like this one dude.

cheers,
Archie :thumbsup:

ms@zx
04-08-2005, 07:41 AM
hie corey,i think the previous piece looks better in composition wise.although the latest piece has quite an intense feeling to it but those angels distracted the piece alil bit.good luck:thumbsup:

i'll be droping in for more:)

nebezial
04-08-2005, 09:22 AM
i liked ur earlier composition better, it was more clear to what was going on, this one does have a nice fluent directional composition, but tha overall feeling is too chaotic, trust me on this one ,too many characters can easily take away from the quality as they can add, the earlier composition gave a great spatial feeling which in my opinion was too good to lose,.

bdblok
04-08-2005, 11:34 AM
hi!

i must say i like the previous comp more, it has a more feel of "last man standing"-theme, which i love ;)

but you have a good imagination, and im sure you will pick the one thats right for you!

CoreyArtE
04-08-2005, 01:08 PM
Ok thx all! I'll keep sketching up some ideas. I just cant satisfy myself, I mean all you guys are doing such great pics, and I need to go to the next level, and I dont feel like i'm going there yet...

ogar555
04-08-2005, 04:19 PM
You do that... and you'll leave us others ( like me ) even farther behind... and that's not nice! :sad: But still... you're really close to that next level... Keep it up! :thumbsup:
Oh and btw, i think there might be too many angels, i feel like the focus i being put on them instead of the person cuddling with the devil-orcs... or maybe you could just blur the angels bodyparts that are farther away from the human - or maybe you had already planned to do that, and i'm just rambling... :D

jmBoekestein
04-08-2005, 06:31 PM
I don't know how to help you out on this but I thought that the way you had drawn the woman in distres was really very good! I think you can make a fine pic. And good luck with sketching up ideas.

NOOB!
04-08-2005, 09:16 PM
and I dont feel like i'm going there yet...

oh please...hurry up wud ya.

:rolleyes:

:twisted:

CoreyArtE
04-08-2005, 09:35 PM
oh please...hurry up wud ya.

:rolleyes:

:twisted:

LOl, dont rush me !

Cerebr4l
04-11-2005, 03:52 PM
I have to say I agree with the others, I like the previous concept better. This one is very confusing and the eye has trouble figuring out what it needs to focus on. I look forward to your next update but take your time ;) .

nebezial
04-11-2005, 03:55 PM
i understand ur pain, deciding the composition is such a pain in the butt:bounce:

calisto-lynn
04-11-2005, 03:55 PM
the beast looks great, and the colour sketch is nice, i like your balance between shades of blue.:)

pushav
04-14-2005, 05:44 PM
LOL nice. I know how you feel. I have tons of concepts in my head that I would like to do also. Nice angles on the new picture.

Zephyri
04-14-2005, 06:50 PM
I have to say I much prefered your previous composition, I think it spoke to me more than this, because the struggle seemed more realistic, one on one, and I really loved the girl's expression. The current one could be good, but at the minute, I find all the angels shapes very distracting, although it is a nice way to focus attention on the girl.

I think if you worked on bringing the light forward on your last one so the background really made the characters pop out, I'd go with that. But that is of course just my opinion! But I sympathise with you utterly about feeling you have to compete with some great talents!

ChrisThatGuy
04-14-2005, 09:46 PM
I really like the perspective you've chosen for the most recent sketch. Very dramatic.

CoreyArtE
04-14-2005, 10:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113515434_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113515434_large.jpg)

Ok I decided to go back to last composition after I made a thosand sketches of different compositions. Just worked on the background alittle, and the angel alittle, and the demon orc alittle. Something is still missing about the picture. Mainly just painting in photoshop now.


Oh and heres a small closeup of background...I forgot to add it to the other picture :shrug:

http://coreyloving.com/TEMPSTuff/ElfEnslavement21-fragment.jpg

Arc80
04-14-2005, 11:09 PM
Hey, its good to see you back working on your piece. Good choice i think. You got some nice effects at the background. I'll be checking back later.

cheers

Vahn
04-15-2005, 12:01 AM
Hoooooooooooraaaaaaaaay!

i have nothing else to add .... excellent art :thumbsup:

Jezzarts
04-15-2005, 08:18 AM
Hi Corey, this is coming along great! I will say that I still really like your first concept with the orc yelling at the fairy... it's so simple yet I love it.. so make sure you finish that one sometime!! Anyway your latest one is more dynamic for the purpose of this challenge so go with it! The look on her face sends a shiver... man she's terrified! One crit would be that the demon guy behind her has an almost identical pose to hers... which is cool but to me it seems too similar like you've doubled up. I'd like to see him in an angry hulk type position or maybe trying to grab her with his other hand which wouldnt look so copied... well something to think about, your doing great work. - Jez

Kraull
04-15-2005, 03:40 PM
Nice ambiance and dynamic composition. Maybe just a little comment concerning the topleft corner of your painting. I would maybe lower the contrast there, it attract my eyes too much and the more interesting part of your scene is on the left. Nice work so far!:)

Kraull
04-15-2005, 03:42 PM
sorry... Don't know my left from right. Time to go to sleep I think... O_o'
- the more interesting part of your scene is on the "RIGHT" -

Enayla
04-15-2005, 03:50 PM
:love: Oh, so pretty!

I've been back to this thread... quite a few times but I never know quite what to say. I so badly want to be constructive, instead of just leaving a 'wow' and then running for cover.

I think I might finally have something to add. It's about the face in the background and the tilt to it - it's such a dangerous position to paint a face (because most faces look piggish when viewed from below in that manner), and I think you could do a bit to refine the features.

Maybe with the lips a little less wide, and the bottom lip curved differently (as we're seeing the lips from below, chances are the bottom lip wouldn't be viewed as it is, as it seems more from a straight-on view. Try to make it either straight at the bottom, or even curved up a little to show the angle). Also, the chin seems a little wide for a female face - if that's what it is. Narrow the entire face a little, including chin, tapering it off towards the point of the chin, and I think it'll come off as more graceful.

Having said this, though, I don't really find the background face that disturbing, and like I said - I've taken a look at the picture MANY times without being able to find a single thing to crit on... so feel free to disregard. It's gorgeous work anyway. :D

fooxoo
04-15-2005, 05:36 PM
Nice perspective and interesting colours. Keep working :D Good luck :)

Tranchefeux
04-15-2005, 07:43 PM
Hello, I to like your continuous image by am dynamists, go, go for the continuation.

:thumbsup:

fensterer
04-15-2005, 09:17 PM
I love the angle you've chosen. Very dramatic and the coloring is very striking. Very nice work!

CoreyArtE
04-16-2005, 06:04 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113627886_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113627886_large.jpg)

Ok, stretched the canvas alittle higher and changed the angel alittle, adding arms to the statue head thing, plus adding the sword back in but changing the angle of it. Ok so what do you all think, should i go with this concept or change it back to the horizontal scheme?

cha0t1c1
04-16-2005, 06:09 AM
hmm...Increasing the canvas does allow for more details, but wouldn't that distract the viewer from the beautiful expressions you made, I love the looming effect...I don't know what else to say, your capability to change the position, angle, etc... is incredible...I'm happy to see such a calibur artists in this challenge...

gorvien1
04-16-2005, 06:35 AM
This is looking great.

I think the angled approach you have now is preferable. I'm not sure what you will be doing with the arms coming off the statue. Right now they tend to pull away from the action in the forground. My two cents. :)

pushav
04-16-2005, 06:48 AM
I fell asleep at my keyboard(12:48am Us time here). But then I saw that you have another new concept and you woke back up with this master peice. Your digital sketching is nice. You made the pic even betterererererer by adding the arms to the statue.

Here is an idea have lightning strking on of the statue's hands and have the hand falling towards the devil looking guys.

BlackDidThis
04-16-2005, 10:38 AM
I personally liked most all of your proposed compositions. But this one was of the better.
I would keep it mirrored horizontally though. when you give the agle to the left he is gaining too much speed as my eyes read it through.. looks like he is actually dashing to her, when otherwise it felt more as if he was incapable of really helpng, our eye sort of stopping him at his tracks.
I am sure you have a mind of introducing warm colours at some parts.. so well not really gonna talk mush about the colours. .. Well I would say go for it. Just to also watch out for the last update on the higher canvas.. it adds to the image, but it sort of pushes the action down.

Hope that gives a sort of idea on what I personally think;
None the less you have presented very good, very dynamic compositions so far. And I really doubt you would take a wrong turn what ever you do!


Black

Neozoom
04-16-2005, 11:03 AM
The last one is AMAZING seriously!!! oO
Love the feeling...
I was listening to BO of Braveheart during seeing it.... amazing feeling ...

with details and good lights it'll be one of my fav of the contest :)

JasonChan
04-16-2005, 03:54 PM
Looks great, Corey. I really like the verticle format. My only thing is that something has to happen in the sky. Maybe you can vary the sizes of those huge swords so that some are smaller and one or two get larger and break the space of the sky. Or you can have lightning, like pushav suggested. My only worry with that is that it might compete for attention. Or maybe you can do something really fantasy-ish like have floating islands or something. I don't know, you're the artist :)

NOOB!
04-16-2005, 04:02 PM
been a while corey.

i must say..i still hate u.

i hope that helps.

:twisted:

edit: are u using photoshop now just because enalya is?? oh...it sickens me.

CoreyArtE
04-16-2005, 06:15 PM
Thx all for the crits !

Noob: Thx for the words of encouragement , that means alot man :sad: *tear drop*

Jason Chan: Yeah, i;m actually surprised you like the verticle format, O_O, i thought most people would say go back to horizontal. Yeah A friend of mine gave me a few ideas fo what to add in the sky to lead the viewer back into the action of the picture so I'm going to go for that. Thx for the crits!

Neozoom: You really think so? LOL, breavheart was one of my favorite movies! I hope it turns out ok in the end ! Thx for the support !

BlackDidThis: Hmm too much speed ah? Hmm i'll try to fix that then, maybe i'll just go back to the previous pose I had him in. I'll keep trying to work things out ! Thx again man !

pushav: Glad I can be your alarm clock when you need it lol ! And hey ! I really like your idea actually! I think I might increase the size of the devil orc much bigger, and use your idea about the fallin hand! That would make a great story plot! Thx for the idea, very helpfuL!

gorvien1: Thx for the crits, I am concerned that the arms and the verticle scene might drag away from the main part of the scene but i'll keep working at it ! Thx alot!

fooxoo: Thx thx I wilL! lol

Enayla: WOW , thx so much for responding to my thread Linda! That means alot to me ! And yes, you make a good point about the head I'll get right on that and try to fix it if i can ever get this darn composition problem out fo the way ! LOL, but thx again for the words of advice, I'll use wisely!

Kraull: left, right...who decided which was which! I'll tell you who! No one! Which ever u choose is ok lol, but um, yeah I still have to decide what to do on both sides really, still trying to work the composition out!

Jezzarts: yo yo ! jazz my man! Good point ! Very good point actually! Cant belive I missed that! I'll get on that right away and try to mess witht he demon orc some more and see what postures I can make out for him! Thx !

I'm sorry if I didnt respond to everyone, but I do appreciate all of you guys advice and crits! I hope with your help we can go to the next level ! :thumbsup:

Vahn
04-16-2005, 07:08 PM
corey i like the last one best... i hope u keep it because then we'll see more of the sky :D

( hehe im just egoistic and want to learn from you ) ... no seriously this works very well... you could show us a flip as black suggested..


Nice one :thumbsup:


- vahn

pushav
04-17-2005, 05:31 AM
Remember Corey If this palces with my idea and you win those workshop dvds, be sure to burn them and pass me a few LOL (just kidding)

Go with the falling hand. But leave the hand in the air giving the viewer an open ended story like......"will the hand crush the devil guy or girl" something like that.

This picture is on fya!
Fya I tell you
FYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAA!:buttrock:

And p.s. NOOB! is jealous of the painter users lol.

kornel
04-17-2005, 09:36 AM
You are done it well! This is a much better and dinamical composition than the older one!

cheers: Kornél

(sorry for my english...)

Neozoom
04-18-2005, 03:08 PM
Hey man !! I wait the next!!!

nebezial
04-18-2005, 03:42 PM
ok this last one looks fantastic, it has it all the dynamics emotions, everything, now get to colouring:thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-18-2005, 04:54 PM
very atmospheric.. i love the colours!:)

xric7
04-18-2005, 05:19 PM
cool composition and lighting:bounce:
waitin for more

my master and servant 2d
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=227677

CoreyArtE
04-19-2005, 02:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113873589_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1113873589_large.jpg)

Just refining the background and the angel alittle, not much more.

cabertevon
04-19-2005, 03:15 AM
love the camera angle.
make the the demon more furious and demonic. :)

RealCapri
04-19-2005, 07:14 AM
Nice. I like your idea & the use of the perspective here :) Further refining to the textures will certainly enhance it more. Good luck.

cha0t1c1
04-19-2005, 07:26 AM
the discomfort in your angle of choice adds to the eerie effect you created and the guilttrip the audience feels... top notch work...
btw I'm falling in love with the new bg...I was in doubt at first but now, well I'm speachless...

ilusiondigital
04-19-2005, 08:43 AM
Dramatic image, thumbs up


MY M&S http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=229417

olya
04-21-2005, 05:17 PM
great work!:thumbsup:

NickiB
04-21-2005, 05:58 PM
Like it - great dramatic angle!

luck to you

TheMagnetic
04-21-2005, 06:09 PM
WOW..Thats some good use of color. I also like your composition. Theres a couple things that I would do though to help breath some more life into your painting. I would add more glare to the halo drawing more attention to the fact that hes an angel rather than a knight with wings. Also I would add more shadow or light to the wings to give them more dimension. but its beautiful!!

ms@zx
04-21-2005, 06:31 PM
very welldone corey,dramatic yet dynamic angle u have here which is great.and love the way u did for the sky.this is getting better and better..i'll look forward till the end of it~:thumbsup:

teknotek83
04-21-2005, 06:35 PM
Look nice, Corey! SHeez! You're nearing completion and I've barely begun my composition work! Good for you, bad for me :-p

oatz
04-21-2005, 07:43 PM
Well, as I've said, I'm a fan of this composition. But every image I've seen before was cutoff very short at the top and to be honest form what i had scene my mind just created them in some sort of a cave. So to see this witht he big open sky . . . I don't know . . .I don't know if its just because its not what I've been thinking or if I just liked the tightness before.

jeromoo
04-22-2005, 02:19 AM
That's quite a dramatic painting! I feel that the warrior to the left is too close to the ground in perspective. He should be higher up and maybe that will help to dramatize things even more?

choptider
04-22-2005, 04:12 AM
your clouds are sooooooooo good looking!!
i wich i can do some clouds like that once.

wraithdt
04-22-2005, 06:04 AM
Hi there,
I gotta say I love the latest piece. Its more dynamic and dramatic and the lighting is great. You might wanna work in more details on the angel though cuz it looks like its fitting well with the rest of the scene at the moment. You might also wanna give him a brighter colour scheme since he's an angel, but that just me.:)
Good Luck dude!

CoreyArtE
04-22-2005, 06:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1114192750_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1114192750_large.jpg)

Ok Just playing with some of the ideas you guys suggested. Changed the devil roc alittle too,...the more I work on it, the more I wish I hadn't changed so much from my orignal concept...Anyway, does this look ok?

pushav
04-22-2005, 09:34 PM
Lol you could not resist the idea.
Nice job on it.
I think that you should keep it with the lightning.:thumbsup:

BlacKeri
04-23-2005, 01:31 AM
FANTASTIC.
The sense of perspective, the colors, the composition, the details... just everything.
And how the HELL did you learn to draw sky so well? :o

BlackDidThis
04-23-2005, 02:24 AM
Actually I think it is. The size and posture of the devil/orc.
But the other one did look better individually. Wouldn't just resizing and modifying him be enough without having to change him this much?
I am just now starting to get used to the skewed perspective angle that is allowing the vortex before us. And I like your conneting it with the bolts. It sort of made a connection to the whole of the canvas.

Most everybodies intention here is to help you out on their personal aprouch to your entry. And you have managed to allow alot of us to feel at home by presenting such a wide spectrum of high quality choices til today.
As much as this is emmencely appreciated by all of us. I think you shouldn't loose your personal passion to the characters and poses you choose to go for. If you felt that you shouldn't have changed your original concept; there has to be a good reason for that. There is time still.
I for one can definately say that not ONE of your proposals yet were lesser than any of the winner candidates. And your works have proven that it shall definatly be a masterpeace!

I really wish the best for you


Black

CoreyArtE
04-23-2005, 08:05 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1114239943_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6538/6538_1114239943_large.jpg)

Ok so I decided to explore a slightly different idea...I dont know if this is seems quit as obvious who the master is, but I'm still exploring ideas...What do you guys think of this one?

pushav
04-23-2005, 08:14 AM
I can't belive that I am still up (2:09 am saturday us time) typing. I was on my way to bed and whats this a new concept lol.
You know what you could do with you new pic, you could add it on a new layer in photoshop with it set on a low opacity and have the angel looking down apon what is going on the earth.
What do you think about that idea?
I'll check up on this tommorrw (lol i am misspleling owrds. now you know it is late when I do that:D) after watching some one peice.
Good luck.:buttrock:

snowkiwi
04-23-2005, 05:16 PM
I think this idea has good emotion.

MoodyDog
04-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Hi! Corey! So wonder about your changed, why and how it's coming up like this?
I really like the last one better (Referred to the post #75... if i not wrong with the number) those one was more dynamically and good on its own concept, though...

BTW, I do like your style to, good color and tone arrangement...
Good luck!

Neozoom
04-23-2005, 05:32 PM
Corey! I loved the first concept!!!

anyway this new one is more poetci but less powerful... anyway.

the color scheme is cool try to contrast is a bit more in my taste :)
good luck , i 'll check later

Arc80
04-23-2005, 05:36 PM
Okay, the first idea you have has this great dynamics and actions, but this one... this one... is very dramatic, moody, and has a lot more atmosphere in it. I really like this one (but i wouldn't mind seeing the first one finished too). The composition on this one is very simple, but the suggestion of the story and theme is very powerfull and has a great way of capturing the audience personal attention. I like how this is going and how you can see the depthness of the piece and also the deep thoughts and emotion that you can have on this. :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see what you do with it.

cheers

W-I-L
04-23-2005, 06:04 PM
i really like it... nice lighting and mood

CoreyArtE
04-24-2005, 01:09 AM
ok thx all for the comments...Sigh I guess i have to go back to that other idea. I'm just losing interest in that other picture , I was thinking about remaking it...Like have the entire scene taking place is a fighting coliseum or something...I dontn know...I guess i better justs tick with that last composition and finish it out to the end ! Ok guys thx again!

TheFirstAngel
04-25-2005, 04:42 AM
hmmm, why flush the old concept? its a nice piece but the old one had so much power...
this way, you also could interpret, the girl sees an angel and the water shows the truth,... or oposite? uh, 5.45 i better go sleep though and give you a more constructive thought with a fresher pair of eyes :p keep it up Corey!

choptider
04-26-2005, 02:06 AM
new idear!
i love better the last one, even if this one is not finished to be explore.
the last one had more power and action, and in the challenge description, they want some expression on the face of the characters!