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joseart
03-24-2005, 11:52 AM
Jose Artundo has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6397)

Latest Update: Final Image: Final Image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115750806_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115750806_large.jpg)

Well, and thatīs all. I have enjoyed a lot being part of the Master and servant 2d challenge. Thank you very much to everyone who has visited my thread and made comments about my work.
Good luck to everyone and see you all in the next challenge.

MDN67
03-24-2005, 11:57 AM
welcome and good luck:thumbsup:

joseart
03-24-2005, 12:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111669541_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111669541_large.jpg)

This is a first idea in black and white. Its more a character design than a final composition. The woman will be the master but I will make her meaner and more dictatorial. I want to state different levels of servants like slaves, soldiers of her army and bodyguard beasts.
Another idea is to put her in a throne with servants all around, or as the winner of a battle taking prisoners.

joseart
03-24-2005, 12:10 PM
Oops, repeated image and message, sorry.

joseart
03-25-2005, 11:33 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111754000_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111754000_large.jpg)

In this new composition I have tried to make it all more emotional and to define the master and servant characters a little better than in the first one. Yeah, now she is bad and mean and demostrates that she is the boss.
There are three servant levels:
-The bodyguard monster-dogs that terrorize another servants
-The humiliated soldier (his helmet on the floor to state his condition)
-The worried soldier behind thinking about him being the next punished if she has a bad day.
There is a hole in the palace ceiling to give more depth level to the image.
Perhaps later I will make a shadow and lights study to this image or I will proceed with another.
I have to begin thinking about colors too.
I hope you like it.

digiscape
03-25-2005, 11:40 AM
they are both amazing sketchs but i still like the first one the most. again great Draftsmanship

joseart
03-25-2005, 11:52 AM
Thank you for your comments. I see that the first sketch has a clearer composition while the last one is not so clean. Perhaps I will mix the clarity of the first with the emotional level from the second.

MoonVisionStudio
03-25-2005, 01:16 PM
Very nice drawing!

Nox
03-25-2005, 03:06 PM
Hi Jose nice start but the only problem I have with it is that what I see is roman centery's there and Indian style towers in the background.

Raenz
03-25-2005, 03:33 PM
Really nice line work. Looking forward to the finished piece.

joseart
03-25-2005, 08:52 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111787566_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1111787566_large.jpg)

Now I have done a light and shadows study of the last sketch, to test interior lighting as opposed to first sketchīs outdoors environment.
Its also because I love my new wacom tablet, :)
Tomorrow I will make another composition sketch.

beelow
03-25-2005, 09:03 PM
Your line work is very very clean. Good stuff. Good luck.

joseart
03-28-2005, 09:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112006232_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112006232_large.jpg)

This time I have tried an horizontal composition. This is the "throne" idea I had. I like the womanīs pose in her throne while she decides about the poor prisonerīs life. I have used an oriental look to everything including soldiers.
Perspective isnīt too accurate but hey, itīs just a sketch.

Groady
03-28-2005, 10:42 AM
Nice work! Don't change your composition though. That new one is nowhere near as good as the previous one (though not a bad sketch still :thumbsup: ). I like the other one because it has a nice dynamic to it with the beast lunging forward. A good composition is what will make or break you in this challenge. Not that I would know:shrug:.

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 10:43 AM
impressive work!!

fooxoo
03-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Cool ideas, good luck!

element5
03-28-2005, 12:31 PM
@joseart .. I do wish I could draw people like you do. Great work and nice concepts :thumbsup: No crits here.

Neozoom
03-28-2005, 12:39 PM
woho very nice render of volume here^^
Love the motion of the monster on the right...
anyway, try to correct some anatomy problems... to help you at the begining ask someone to pose for you... or do it by yourself and report the essential lines on the drawing ... I often do this for position of hands and arms in humans... it is difficult exercice... but it is one of the most important thing in the composition to give the good feeling :)


good luck ;) wait to see more :)

artjunkie
03-28-2005, 12:39 PM
I agree with Groady... go with the previous composition of the woman looming over the defeated solider... that one is much more dynamic.

Love your drawing style, too! Awesome stuff... looking forward to seeing more.

Cheers and good luck!

joseart
03-28-2005, 02:44 PM
Thank you all for your comments. I should start thinking about colors now.

lanedaughtry
03-28-2005, 11:31 PM
I love the illustrative style to this one.

No crits at the moment, I'm excited to watch how this progresses.

-L

JTD
03-30-2005, 05:16 AM
I like the last concept; the mood, the scale, the complexity of different elements. The only thing that I don't like is her smile. This is just my personal preference and doesn't mean it's done poorly or in poor taste. Good luck.

TheFirstAngel
04-01-2005, 10:42 PM
very cool style. just came to subscribe and wish you good luck n much fun. keep it up!:thumbsup:

joseart
04-03-2005, 08:45 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112561106_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112561106_large.jpg)

Here it is, the final image in line art. I have chosen the second sketch and added more movement and some details.
Now I will start working the colors, light, shadows, etc.....
I hope you like it.

Pierrick
04-03-2005, 08:49 PM
Nice line art!
Very dynamic !!

joseart
04-05-2005, 10:51 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112698315_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112698315_large.jpg)

First light-shadows study to state volumes and depth. Just an early step. I will start adding colors soon.

Jezzarts
04-05-2005, 10:59 AM
Very nice lines! Loads of action and great poses! You might want to have some light from that window on their backs? cool pic!

element5
04-05-2005, 01:08 PM
OMG :applause: what can I say...bring on the colour :)

jowens
04-07-2005, 05:43 AM
I really like your choice for the final composition, very dynamic. The shadings looking good too, look forward to seeing the next stage.

Goro
04-07-2005, 06:15 AM
woa this looks awesome! Great dynamic poses and camera angle.
I'm gonna watch this one!

Good luck!

joseart
04-08-2005, 11:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112959722_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1112959722_large.jpg)

Now I am painting all the image in grey colors and after that, I will add colors using transparency layers.
Thanks to everyone who has visited and answered this thread. :)

Imriela
04-08-2005, 05:03 PM
Wow! Great command of action, composition and character design!

element5
04-09-2005, 10:02 AM
great stuff, now you have given a close-up. Does her left hand on the chain look a bit odd, I mean there is no define between where the hand ends and the arm starts...or is it just me lol. :)

edimunster
04-09-2005, 09:09 PM
Wow...Looks awesome!!! Love the camera angle an poses. Very dynamic!. I do think that the index knuckle on her right hand(girls' left) is a bit extreme...but you can hardly notice it when you see the full image.

Other than that ...It rocks!! can't wait to see the color version!!!

joseart
04-10-2005, 06:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1113156757_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1113156757_large.jpg)

Now I am adding more volume and depth. When I finish the piece in grey tones I will start coloring it with transparency layers. I must be careful so the scene is clear enough and you can distinguish the characters well.

grafik
04-10-2005, 06:50 PM
woow! great set! some action picture, i like dinamic u gived to this, keep up and good luck!!!


my MASTER & SLAVE:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2138465 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2138465)

W-I-L
04-10-2005, 06:53 PM
looking good mate.. love ur style. the depth is working.. keep it coming

arLutiK
04-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Wow great image, it's gonna be amazing in colors.

joseart
04-12-2005, 07:51 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1113335500_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1113335500_large.jpg)

Here it goes, some more work on the piece. I think I will finish the black and white part soon. I have a clear idea about colors, I hope they work well on the final image.

joseart
04-14-2005, 08:22 AM
Unfortunately my computer broke yesterday. I have asked for a new one, but I must wait 1-2 weeks until I get it so I dont know if I will have time enough to finish in time.
I am so sad about it......

J2XA
04-18-2005, 12:00 PM
I think if your computer had not of broke you could have been a very good contender for the top!!

Its a shame, i hope you get your new computer in time to finish as i would love to see your work coloured and finished.


Feel free to comment on my thread :)

joseart
04-24-2005, 06:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1114368275_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1114368275_large.jpg)

Well, Here I go again after 9 days without a computer to work. Finally I got the new one.
This time I have started adding colors over the grey-scale piece. I have used subtle tones except for the girl-master dress that has a strong red color. I think it separates her well from the rest of the characters.
Thereīs still a lot of work to do.

BlacKeri
04-24-2005, 08:30 PM
Really nice composition and I like the colors so far! Good luck and keep going! :D

walrus
04-25-2005, 05:31 AM
Good work so far! I agree that the bright red on her clothes help seperate her from the rest of the scene. However, her skin tones blend in with the background color a lot. Any change - in value, saturation, or hue - would help her stand out more, but i think the saturation would be worth trying first: You're already going with the brighter-colored cloth, so maybe her skin tones can be more saturated as well? Anyhow, up to you, and I'm sure it's going to look great. Good luck!

-mike

joseart
04-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Yes, Walrus, all colors will be more saturated. This step is just to state the general colors for every part. Later I will add more tone variety within each color and more contrast. It also needs lost more volume and highlights.
Thanks to everyone for your comments. :)

ganta
04-26-2005, 03:55 PM
i like ur drawing style,
ur technique is very economic (working with grayscale) and such helpful to get into volume.
i'm waiting to see the highlights for giving volume and light direction.
go on! and good work
:thumbsup:

cha0t1c1
04-26-2005, 03:56 PM
sexy, exotic, and beautifull. I watched this piece from the beginning, keep going...

joseart
04-26-2005, 06:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1114538979_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1114538979_large.jpg)

Now I am adding more contrast and colors. I have made the background darker so figures are more defined. I will try to keep the woman and beasts darker than the figure on the floor, so they are separated well so the image doesnīt seem blurry or confusing.

joseart
05-02-2005, 12:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115035884_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115035884_large.jpg)

Here I go again, time passes and the deadline is near. This time I have rescued the line art over the colors, and I think it looks more solid now.I think I will keep them. I am trying a moonlight illumination coming from the ceiling hole and it looks pretty cool. I will show it in the next entry.
As always, thank you very much for the reply posts.

joseart
05-05-2005, 10:38 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115289483_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115289483_large.jpg)

I am coming closer to the final coloring milestone.
This time I have added the ceiling decorations, some more colors to the floor and the moonlight coming from the square hole. I want to refine these lights effect and perhaps add some fog effect from the window. Also I want to make the contour lines smoother. I think it looks cool. :)

redfrog
05-05-2005, 11:36 AM
Wow... it's great to see how this pic has evolved. It's really gone from strength to strength developing both the characters and composition. I love the final composition; it has a real dynamic too it. Awesome work!

element5
05-05-2005, 12:31 PM
:applause: Great style Jose, It has come along way since I last visited...

A couple of things that I can see is Her hair seems to be the same colour as her skin and I feel should be more in silohette being so close to the moon. I also noticed She was casting a shadow on the beast in the back but the beast in the front was not casting a shadow on her leg or the chain...if you get where I am coming from...

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Jezzarts
05-05-2005, 02:00 PM
Woops, I think he just got an eyefull of downstairs! he he... seriously, this is great! That moonlight works well... love the way the lights hitting them. Nice clean style as well.

walrus
05-05-2005, 02:15 PM
This is coming along nicely. That white hilight works really nicely. I agree with all of the points element made, especially about her hair being the exact same color as her skin. (!?)
I also think things are looking a bit like they are all the same material. You probably just haven't gotten there yet, but you may want to think about how different materials reflect light and catch hilights... for example, shiny things like metal jewelry, shiny claws, and wet surfaces end up with much sharper white hilights and less soft value changes. But that being said, I think how you've rendered a lot of the image and your style in general is really neat. Good luck wiht the last bits of work!

-mike

joseart
05-07-2005, 10:04 AM
Thank you all for your comments. Youīre right Walrus, the hair needs more work, its a part I havenīt worked enough yet. The same about claws and other things. These will be the final touches. At this moment I wanted to achieve a good global image and later go for final details.
Yes, element5, there is some shadow cheating. I will work on this later. Sometimes I prefer to eliminate some shadow or make them more subtle so the image looks clean and easy to understand. Anyway youīre right, I will see how I add some beast-over-girl shadows.
Background buildings need a little more refining too.

joseart
05-10-2005, 06:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115748812_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115748812_large.jpg)

Well, I think this is the imageīs final coloring. I donīt know if I will work this even more, so this could be the final image.

joseart
05-10-2005, 06:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115750806_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6397/6397_1115750806_large.jpg)

Well, and thatīs all. I have enjoyed a lot being part of the Master and servant 2d challenge. Thank you very much to everyone who has visited my thread and made comments about my work.
Good luck to everyone and see you all in the next challenge.

arLutiK
05-11-2005, 06:02 AM
Really nice work, your style is really cool :thumbsup:

agios
05-11-2005, 09:01 AM
i like the clarity of the image and its details....nice toony style...good luck

walrus
05-13-2005, 04:30 PM
The hair and the skin really came togetehr in the end. Very nice work. And I learned a lot by seeing how you applied the rim-light, so thanks for that, too!

Great job overall!

-mike

TheFirstAngel
05-21-2005, 08:48 PM
wonderfull finnish, those final highlights really gave it a wonderfull extra! Congratulations on finnishing your work tht great! best of luck on the final, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

paperclip
05-21-2005, 09:59 PM
Great rim lighting and ornamentation from the ceiling. Your rim lights inspire me...yes indeed!
Hope to see more of your work in the future...

joseart
05-22-2005, 09:11 AM
Thank you very much for your words. This has been my first CG Challenge and its great to read so much nice comments about my work.
Good luck to everyone! :)

joseart
06-29-2005, 08:20 AM
Itīs almost July and we donīt know the winners, this is taking too long donīt you think?
And there will be no "master & servant" book, Iīm so sad about it...

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