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Jean Genie
03-24-2005, 02:03 AM
Eliane Huppé has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6333)

Latest Update: Final Image: Daddy and his little masters
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116487068_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116487068_large.jpg)

I started fooling around with ideas for the challenge when it came to me that man is rarely slave to only one great master. In everyday life, one is subdued by vast array of little things. The situation I depicted is that of a man who is living in a house that owns him. The richness that surround him speaks of strong family responsibilities. His ancestors are there watching what he does with his heritage. Under this weight, he strives to overcome a wave of nostalgia, his wife (probably recently deceased) has left him in charge of a son that does not communicate.

I wanted to give a feeling of very delicate balance. The state in which most people live.

This was my first challenge and basically, my first real work in photoshop.(I learned the program as I went along.) I hope you like it, thanks for your comments and ideas.

Jean Genie
03-24-2005, 02:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1111634383_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1111634383_large.jpg)

This is a very rough sketch of the concept I'm currently tempted by. It's actualy a man and the multiple things he's driven by (duty, family, memory, comfort, etc)

Jean Genie
04-05-2005, 02:23 AM
Sorry, double post.

Jean Genie
04-05-2005, 03:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1112671683_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1112671683_large.jpg)

This is the line art without the characters.
I'm mainly trying to get the perspective right, so if you see anything that seems weird, please tell me. I'd also love any comment on the drawing or the project as a whole.

eclipson
04-05-2005, 05:45 AM
perspective seems fine to me, goodlux!:thumbsup:

BatskyStarman
04-05-2005, 06:11 AM
your perspective is right on!!! :thumbsup:

Marc-OlivierBouchard
04-05-2005, 08:40 PM
I may seems like nitpickin but I don't know about a hole in the fire place, it seems like it would make it difficult to collect the ashes.

Jean Genie
04-05-2005, 09:19 PM
Thanks, I was probably going to add a handle and make it the kind of drawer that you pull completly out to dispose of the ashes. It seems like it could be a good system, but I'll look into it to make sure.

Jean Genie
04-11-2005, 07:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113248975_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113248975_large.jpg)

This is the line art for the main character. I will post him in context as soon as I have the little boy ready. Meanwhile, if you have any comments on the drawing , position, character, etc, I'd love to hear them.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
04-11-2005, 08:38 PM
Strong drawing.
His shirt looks odd around his right arm though.

Jean Genie
04-12-2005, 12:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113265075_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113265075_large.jpg)

Had a little more trouble with this one. Any help welcome.

Jean Genie
04-12-2005, 05:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113327448_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113327448_large.jpg)

I redid the boy. I believe I will go with this one.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
04-12-2005, 08:54 PM
A lot better than the previous one. What is right hand is doing is not very clear though

Jean Genie
04-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Thanks I will clarify that.

Jean Genie
04-13-2005, 12:00 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113350439_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113350439_large.jpg)

This is the portrait of the mother/deceased wife. I'll do the rest of the portraits while coloring.

Jean Genie
04-15-2005, 08:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113597628_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113597628_large.jpg)

All right, this is what I've done so far. Thought I'd post it before I get carried away. These are the basic colors I want to work with.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
04-16-2005, 12:39 AM
Lookin' sharp, I really like the greenery from the window. He seems very tempted to go there.

Jean Genie
04-19-2005, 11:58 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113955128_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1113955128_large.jpg)

Some more details and basic colours. The tiles and grid in the fireplace are done with custom brushes. The carpet is done with the Finding edges filter. Some more portraits to come. Any crits welcome.

Jean Genie
04-26-2005, 11:25 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1114557920_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1114557920_large.jpg)

This is the coloring of the mother's portrait so far. Any comments?

Marc-OlivierBouchard
04-27-2005, 12:52 AM
The mother looks splendid. great skin tone and hairs. Fur on her coat is very good also.
Crits: The back of her neck seems a little straigth and the greenery behind her still needs detailling. One eye seems a little lower than the other.

Jean Genie
05-02-2005, 07:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115061133_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115061133_large.jpg)

This is what I've worked out for the main character so far. If you have any comment on the proportions or if anything seems wrong, it would be great to know before I go about adding more details. I know I want more wrinkles and the skintones need more depth and variation.

Tel me what you think.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
05-03-2005, 01:04 AM
Really good expression
The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and I would maybe add "grease" to his face, some pimples and shaved beard.

Jean Genie
05-03-2005, 01:44 AM
You're definitely right about the bridge of the nose and yes,
it does need more details.

Thanks for the replies.

O.Martin
05-07-2005, 09:52 AM
A bit sad and depressing painting! Don't get me wrong, I really like it. It's an unusual style :)

Jean Genie
05-07-2005, 04:39 PM
Thanks fo the comment. Yes, I want it to be rather heavy. If not depressing, at least a kind of tensed sadness. I'll describe the entry better in my next post where we can see the whole more clearly.

Jean Genie
05-09-2005, 12:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115597748_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115597748_large.jpg)

Here's a close-up of the other portraits. The frames still need to be worked out.

Jean Genie
05-09-2005, 12:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115597909_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115597909_large.jpg)

This is a close-up of the father by the window. The desk and hands still need some work. So does the shirt.

liiga
05-09-2005, 12:38 AM
I'm curious to see how this will develop. You seem to be coloring in a rather 'fuzzy' way, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. On one hand, it makes the surfaces appear smoother, but on the other hand, there's a lack of contrast in the skintones. But it's hard to say at this stage how it all will work together - that fuzzyness does create a sort of 'memory' feeling, making things seem misty.
I don't know if you were planning to work on it, but the guy's hairline needs some 'messing up' - it's a very strict line at the moment.
Actually more about shading, it bothers me a little that the shadows on his skin and the ones on his clothes look like they're about the same color and softness. Matter of fact, the same seems to repeat on the windowsill. Are you by any chance using burn to shade? Or just very similar colors for everything?

Jean Genie
05-09-2005, 12:41 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115599284_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115599284_large.jpg)

This is what the whole image looks like at this junction. It still needs a lot of work (mainly shadows, highlights and details).

I think this is a good time to explain my entry a little more.

The main idea is that man is generally governed, not by a single, great master but by a whole bunch of things.
In the scene I chose to do, the man by the window is tied by his duty to his son, his house, his family name (that's the reason for all the portraits) but I would say the most important thing is that he's governed by his grief, his longing to be by his wife (who I would say is recently deceased). That last one (nostalgia) is not necessarily a negative master, but is definitively overwhelming. It want the picture to show the very delicate balance a human being usually lives in.

If you have any comments, either on the idea, technique or treatment, I'd really like to hear it.

Jean Genie
05-09-2005, 04:31 AM
liiga, thanks for your reply. I'm actually learning photoshop as I go along, so I might be using some unorthodox techniques. I like to have a certain vagueness in the image because my idea is that nothing is clearcut in a situation like this. At the same time, I do want to make an impact stronger than this one and I'm glad you told me about it. I was definitely planning to work on the "character' edge" and that includes the hair. (I worked on that character in a separate document for some reason)

I agree with you about the skintones and shirt tones. I didn't use burn on them although I did for the windowsill. (That last one has too sharp an edge).

I intend to work on his skin contrasts. It's ok for very close close-ups, but the ones I have now don't show up in the general picture.

Also, if you have any tip on how you'd go about working on it from here, it's always welcome. I still don't have a technique that satisfies me so any thought is well used.

Jean Genie
05-13-2005, 03:22 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115954563_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1115954563_large.jpg)

I didn't like the boy, so I decided to do an other one from scatch. This is what it looks like so far.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
05-13-2005, 06:03 PM
I really like that boy, thick on melancholy

Jean Genie
05-15-2005, 08:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116189695_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116189695_large.jpg)

Thanks for the reply.

I did some work on the boy. The sofa still needs to be improved, but after that, I'll be doing final coloring. If you have any comments, they're most welcome.

Jean Genie
05-18-2005, 08:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116449038_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116449038_large.jpg)

I did work on the sofa and frames. I'm now working on better highlights for the desk, then I'll be fooling around with the image. It's too "clean" to my liking. If you have suggestions on what needs to be muddied (I know the wallpaper does)please let me know.

MDN67
05-18-2005, 08:46 PM
good pic, the background is very realistic. Good work, and good luck for the end

Jean Genie
05-19-2005, 07:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116487068_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6333/6333_1116487068_large.jpg)

I started fooling around with ideas for the challenge when it came to me that man is rarely slave to only one great master. In everyday life, one is subdued by vast array of little things. The situation I depicted is that of a man who is living in a house that owns him. The richness that surround him speaks of strong family responsibilities. His ancestors are there watching what he does with his heritage. Under this weight, he strives to overcome a wave of nostalgia, his wife (probably recently deceased) has left him in charge of a son that does not communicate.

I wanted to give a feeling of very delicate balance. The state in which most people live.

This was my first challenge and basically, my first real work in photoshop.(I learned the program as I went along.) I hope you like it, thanks for your comments and ideas.

Marc-OlivierBouchard
05-19-2005, 08:25 PM
A beautiful luminous entry with a deep theme. The young boy is my favorite part of it.
The more we look a it the better it gets.

An excellent first work, hope you will try other challenges.

maybe a bit too much "pure" colors in the ensemble, the saturation could have been toned down

Jean Genie
05-19-2005, 11:55 PM
Thanks again for all the comments.
I definitely will be trying other challenges. My guess is I'll go about it more freely. I went about this one very strictly and that was time consuming. It lacks some vitality too. But I don't dislike the result. I think it goes somehow with the subject.

Squibbit
05-27-2005, 08:46 PM
hey nice pic, though I think the perspective looks a bit weird, can't
quite grasp it.. the desk seems so long and compared to that, judging by
the patterns on the floor, the sofa even more so and yet not at all

what u done girl ? my brain hurts tryin to solve this , hehe

momentarily taking my eyes off the perspective problem
(not saying it's there for anybody else than me), the back wall
looks real nice with the light coming in from the window, the portraits
and the shadows up there

:surprised


it's still there ... maybe the dude's arm looks too long..

over the window i'd like to see a mighty moose head, family crest,
maybe a big trophy fish, somehow looks so sad when the window
ends and there is nothing above it

sorry i didn't find the pic during the contest ... dunno
if my comments woulda helped any tho , hehe


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Jean Genie
05-27-2005, 11:49 PM
Yeah, something above the window would have been nice. I sometimes like emty space but in that case, I think you're right.

As for the perspective, I honestly don't know. It seemed right to me at the time but there may be things I didn't see. The desk is meant to be large, out of that I don't know. I'll try to figure it out.

Thanks for the comments...

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