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LaVolpe
03-23-2005, 07:15 PM
jim moore has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6288)

Latest Update: Final Image: The Master
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1116390307_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1116390307_large.jpg)

well here it is...in the process of going from my mind to the page ( or screen ) there's in evitably a gap that my hands are unable to fill. I can only hope that with each new piece that gap gets smaller. I guess there's not all that much left to say,so for better or worse, here it is.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 07:16 PM
hi gud luck!!

LaVolpe
03-23-2005, 07:18 PM
thank you kindly, same to you..this is my first one..let's see what happens!

LaVolpe
03-28-2005, 11:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112055997_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112055997_large.jpg)

First rough concept sketch-about 2 hours in painter and PS, not counting some preliminary noodling and mental pre-vis. Hopefully the idea is somewhat clear, and not too cliche. Basically, from what I understand of the world, we all ultimately serve one master, just with different names and exchange rates..

I've still got a logistical nightmare of organizing the crowds of ppl, lighting, and making the symbols look believable. Speaking of symbols, if you come from a country that has a cool currency symbol, send a pic or link along and i'll add it...the more obscure or out of date, the better..

The only other thing i'm wrangling with right now is how to give a little more depth to the message..bascially, i'm looking for a way for the master/servant thing to work both ways..bascially that both are masters in some sense, and both need each other to survive..

comments and crits welcome!

cheers

j

LaVolpe
03-29-2005, 06:33 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112081585_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112081585_large.jpg)

This is the line art milestone..of sorts..depending on the type of painting, I don't neccessarily draw in everything first..so in this case, the only thing I think bears drawing out are the poses...but then again I have a feeling there's gonna be alot of changes there as well..also simulataneously figured out some of the lighting in the bg. Next up, making the architecture perfect so I can think about starting in on a final...

maozao
03-31-2005, 01:10 AM
i liked that :)
cool tipographic ilustration
good luck

eupee
03-31-2005, 01:43 AM
looking good.. you could have the monopoly fat cat sitting on top of the denominations puffing his cigar....

Arc80
03-31-2005, 03:01 AM
I like your piece and what you are trying to show to the viewer. Good subject matter.
Can't wait to see more refine.

GoodLuck,
Archie

Chemsem
04-01-2005, 02:19 AM
Your color scheme is definitely developing well. However, I was uncertain as to how many "characters" you will be involving in your scene. Since they are very "conceptual" and rough at this stage, do you plane to include more? Or perhaps less. Great work!

LaVolpe
04-01-2005, 08:48 AM
thanks all,


chemsen: in theory, there's going to be throngs of people all streaming towards the structures..the next stage should hopefully show that a little more..

MDN67
04-01-2005, 09:23 AM
very good concept, the reference at the money is a nice idea, i wait the suite:thumbsup:

LaVolpe
04-08-2005, 08:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112949794_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1112949794_large.jpg)

this is the closest thing to a color WIP I'll probably get, so I thought I'd post it...more refining of color, also getting the background elements in more solidly..working on the foreground figure more carefully, but tryin not to get too wrapped up in him til the background is done.

nebezial
04-08-2005, 08:46 AM
people of egypt, forget the pyramids, we have a new monument for u to build:D original work and masterfully painted:thumbsup:

andreasrocha
04-08-2005, 08:56 AM
I agree with Nebezial. Beautifully painted...great work!

Arc80
04-08-2005, 01:01 PM
Cool, i'm really liking that painterly treatment. The clouds are looking good. Keep it up.

cheers,
Archie

LaVolpe
04-19-2005, 08:48 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1113900499_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1113900499_large.jpg)

Smoothing out the background, starting with the sky and clouds...then moving on to the money symbols..lots of boring photoshop work with straight lines...

PeterSanitra
04-19-2005, 09:36 AM
the shadow on the front guy give the image very good depth.nice done

TeemuR
04-19-2005, 12:11 PM
Very good idea you have there! It's all about the money. How about if you would make those symbols very focal by making them very bright goldish and workers on the foreground less noticable and use there very dirty colors to get feeling of despair. well, I'm seeing you're already after that, but try to use even more contrast. :) I'm curious how the final is coming out :)

BaronImpossible
04-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Wonderful clouds, I wish I could get that oil painterly look.

Neozoom
04-19-2005, 12:32 PM
nice colors and very interesting concept man ! :)

spacesnail
04-19-2005, 12:54 PM
Great money babel tower concept:thumbsup:

amishcommy
04-20-2005, 03:26 AM
I have to say that i like the initial composition better than the new one. That dude carrying stuf on his back made for a more interesting pose. His sixe was also big enough to include a buch of details that would have made the viewer emphasise with the character. and the arch of his back led to the center of the page toward the focal point. I like the figure that's there now. Its a strong gesture too, but not as strong as the one in the initial sketch.

LaVolpe
04-21-2005, 01:35 AM
Very good idea you have there! It's all about the money. How about if you would make those symbols very focal by making them very bright goldish and workers on the foreground less noticable and use there very dirty colors to get feeling of despair. well, I'm seeing you're already after that, but try to use even more contrast. :) I'm curious how the final is coming out :)

Yep, that's more or less the plan, although I want the symbols to also look kind of old and tarnished at the same time..It will be a back and forth type thing I'm sure..basically what ever both looks right and makes the most sense...

thanks for the advice! tell me what you like of the next version!

LaVolpe
04-21-2005, 01:38 AM
I have to say that i like the initial composition better than the new one. That dude carrying stuf on his back made for a more interesting pose. His sixe was also big enough to include a buch of details that would have made the viewer emphasise with the character. and the arch of his back led to the center of the page toward the focal point. I like the figure that's there now. Its a strong gesture too, but not as strong as the one in the initial sketch.

The actual composition i haven't gotten around to doing anything with just yet...what's happening at this stage is that I'm painting the background stuff and then working my way forwards..so the guy you like is still there, he just needs to be uncovered :-)

amishcommy
04-21-2005, 06:05 AM
HOT!

one more little thing, although the clowds look awesome, you may wanna think about sneaking a little light through the big shadowy clowd at the top to help pull you into the composition from the top. or maybe have the big shadowy clouds twirl in a way that leads you into the composition better.

LaVolpe
05-03-2005, 08:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1115109628_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1115109628_large.jpg)

another pass at getting this finished: roughing in the throngs of ppl, and also adding the euro rising up out of the ruins of the Franc, Deutschmark and other stuff..also threw in a kronor for any swedes out there..hopefully the next update will tighten things up a bit..

MDN67
05-03-2005, 10:26 AM
the work on the sky is impressive, good color. Very good work

LaVolpe
05-12-2005, 04:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1115916265_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1115916265_large.jpg)

starting to tighten and refine both in the background and the foreground..still a ways to go, but hope to wrap up in another session...

LaVolpe
05-18-2005, 04:25 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1116390307_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6288/6288_1116390307_large.jpg)

well here it is...in the process of going from my mind to the page ( or screen ) there's in evitably a gap that my hands are unable to fill. I can only hope that with each new piece that gap gets smaller. I guess there's not all that much left to say,so for better or worse, here it is.

maxetormer
05-19-2005, 04:57 AM
Youv got my deepest respect I love this type of brush strokes
tight and at the same time loose, GREAT ambient, superb use of ligth
the most incredible clouds ever, good anatomy for the caracters,
and a dam good concept, CHEERS and good luck!! :D

sirBS
05-20-2005, 08:39 AM
Very actual idea...
I am solidary with you...:buttrock:

frixon
05-20-2005, 12:59 PM
well, it's sad how this is so true.

call me mad but it reminds me of Goya.

xric7
05-20-2005, 01:48 PM
realy awesome!!cool idea and exellent coloring.love ur sky a lot.look fantastic!!
congrats.:applause: :wip: :beer: best luck to u in this challeng.
cheers.

TeemuR
05-20-2005, 02:05 PM
Hey! you did good work with this. :) Like I already said, I really like your idea. :)

Btw. Sorry, I was not able to find your thread again to give further comments. This challenge was really going fast. :shrug:

Good luck with judging! :)

paperclip
05-20-2005, 02:25 PM
I'm surprised this didn't get more replies. It is a lovely original idea and your composition is excellent. I really love your colors and it is rather outstanding as a piece of work. Unusual and beautiful as well.
I really like the textures in this as well, it doesn't seem digital at all. What techniques did you use?

dinodog-jr
05-21-2005, 09:17 AM
one impressive abstract art...

Undescribeable beautiful color sense....

Must be in the winner list!

KIng of luck to u!

MDN67
05-21-2005, 09:20 AM
i like the concept and the realization. The sky is very great, good work and good luck for the end

ErwinM
05-21-2005, 09:54 AM
Nice clouds and great colors. You really got some interesting things happening in the clouds. Great work Jim.

Erwin

eparts
05-21-2005, 10:14 AM
very interresting picture.. there is a good point in it :)
creative pic
good luck for the challenge :thumbsup:

pejot
05-21-2005, 10:43 AM
iteresting, unusual idea.

LaVolpe
05-23-2005, 05:35 PM
Sorry for not checking on the thread sooner..I just got back from e3...thanks to all who wrote in suggestions and comments..

Maxetormer: Thanks for the kind words, and your treee/algea robot is pretty cool too!

Frixon: Not sure where you see the Goya similarities, but I have studied his work, so perhaps it's found it's way in there somehow..

Paperclip: thanks, yes, next time I guess I'll need more explosions to get more attention. As far as the techniques, just good old fashioned painting, really...there's some photo reference in there, but I try to make sure to bury it at much as I can...fortunately I have all my process work, so if there's a need for it, I can show everyone exactly what went where.

thanks to all the rest as well and good luck to the other m&s entries.

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