Master and Servant 3D Entry: Robert Mack

[DaddyMack]

Woohoo, spent some time scribbling out rough concepts for this piece and here's the first notable direction it went in...
http://www.darkspider.org/%7Esumdumguy/cgcomp/mackserv1.jpg
added 'vibe' test
http://www.darkspider.org/%7Esumdumguy/cgcomp/sketch1aa.jpg

Basically it will be a pic of a little 'innocent' girl taking her demons for a walk...I will attempt to communicate that the girl is just as driven by her demons as they are pulled along by her, hence steering this toward my original goal of blurring the line between...

I plan to develop each character in this piece conceptually as much as possible prior to 3d...I need 3-6 more 'demon' concepts...any ideas

[soapy]

Hey great sketch, the monsters look great. Good luck. I will look forward to seeing your image develop.

[miketche]

Demons: Skulls, skeletons, ghosts, zombies (Parents?), Teachers, ...

Cool concept.

[ace4016]

Nice to see you join, I was looking for your thread. Nice concept. Are you planning to go with comical looking demons and girl or serious/realistic?

[Kanga]

OMG its the artist formerly known as sumdumguy!

I like the contrasts very much, innocent pretty/ ugly sinister, nice adams family feel!

An you know
The Force shall be with you :thumbsup:

[Identity3D]

liking the idea daddymack best of luck with the chalenge. love the teddy :) how about an evil puppy??

[BlueCougar]

Nice concept, first thing I heard in my head was "lions and tigers and bears oh my!" from the Wizard of Oz. I guess demons that each represent a different childhood fear would be interesting...closet, under the bed, heights, spiders & bugs, things that bite, etc. Just an idea...good luck!

[Kid-Mesh]

Nice concept, as for other demon types Im not sure off hand but it will come to you though, Good luck!

[rhin0]

nice man, i wanna see more! keep it up!:thumbsup:

[RanZ Cross]

Unique idea...can wait to see bro !! :thumbsup:

[alex.h.]

going to be fun to se this develop, great idea. see you :thumbsup:

[H3rbie]

nice concept..feels almost a bit tim burton inspired :D

[Claireabella]

Hey DaddyMack. Great concept - like the fact you are trying to show that we are as much driven by our demons as dragging them round with us! Cool.....! Good luck and look forward to seeing your ideas progress. :thumbsup: Claireabella

[RocketBoy]

I love the sketch. When I first saw it, i thought is was about a girl and her imaginary friends, which would have also been cool, but the little girl with demons is a great twist. I'm also drawing a blank on childhood nightmare creatures at the moment. I'll try to come up with something.

[peterhorvath]

Very good idea, that your monsters are rather puppet-shaped, not ugly-fantasy-creatures.

The best one is the left-sider, at first I thought the cufflink-eye is a pignose and it's a giant-pig-puppet. Try to see from this viewpoint. :D

Good luck!

Golem

[eddieellis]

I love the teddy man.... nice touch

[Neeno]

very kewl idea dude.. reaosn i like it is because in teh sketch the demons sitll look quiet child like sticking to your main theme.. i liek it .. subscription i'll be watching...
good luck

[OZ]

NNNAAAAH!!! ^_^ too nice! HA HA HA !!! I like this idea! gosh! iI like it a lot!!!
You are a very good 3d artist! I cant wait to see it in 3d!
:thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

Hey you guys thanks a bundle for all the support and suggestions...Means much to me;)

I've pretty much decided on the feel for the image I'll make, I want it to feel really ominous, as if the girl has great power that we, the audience should fear, drawing all the attention to her...and then the second the audience connects with the girl I want them to feel empathy for the girl because it's become obviousto them that she is the servant of her demons... should be most challenging for me to convey this duality successfully...But I'm on it...

here's a quick 'vibe' test
http://www.darkspider.org/%7Esumdumguy/cgcomp/sketch1aa.jpg
I also hope to convey a sense of movement in the final, as if they are approaching us...
Thanks again all :bowdown:
http://www.darkspider.org/sumdumguy/cgcomp/sketch1aa.jpg

[blakbird]

I liked the "cart" idea hauled by the boy (or monster somehow but still lovely). I think you must develop that idea.

[blakbird]

Ooops, wrong message.
He he :D
Forget about the "cart"
Lovely

[blakbird]

I mean lovely for the girl and the monsters but idea that having demons as masters here not suits. Infact at the very first moments when I see the scene I thought that she is a cute beast tamer of cute beasts :)

[biliousfrog]

cool idea, I can see several possible directions for this, I look forward to seeing what style this image takes.

[conundrum]

nice sketch and its coming along well, should be interesting to see how it develops in 3d. the only niggle for me is the position of the girl, she seems so close to the centre of the composition that she may as well be in the dead centre, hopefully that makes sense. anyway, good luck, and im looking forward to more progress.

[javaejderi]

Good!!! The contrast between the girl and the monsters is significant...I am also playing with the monsters but seeking for pureness instead of contrast!!!

[keetmun]

Nice very nice.... Really hope you pull this off in time, looks like a potential winner to me!

Cheers
:buttrock:

[DaddyMack]

Thanks a mountain you guys for the encouragement and criticism :bowdown:...I was wondering if the feel was interpretable from the vibe sketch and I guess it must be...I'm really going to have to pull my proverbial finger out and nail down the characters and workflow...soon...I've some decent concepts in my skull, I'll make the time to share them tonight.
I'm having to be really disciplined on this image coz I know it's got a heart. Usually I'd already be modelling by now but I want to really nail this conceptually first for once, so sorry I'm being soo slooww...
Again Many thanks

[rastko]

Very interesting concept.
Good luck :)

[Tremoside]

Ahoj, an original concept. Bests to you, lotsa powa and time for work! I will keep an eye here.

[DaddyMack]

*edit removed shocking sketch*

Hi all, I am attempting to communicate the relationship between a little girl-and the things she fears/ is driven by. In the image I’m creating it is hoped that upon first viewing the audience will interpret the girl as the master and then, as they study the scene, grasp that she is actually the servant of the creatures in her head…
I hope to convey a real sense of power yet helplessness in each individual in the image…that is my main challenge

text file (http://www.darkspider.org/%7Esumdumguy/cgcomp/Mackmasters.rtf) of demons and concepts yet to hit the wacom

[DaddyMack]

sorry...double post

[blakbird]

Daddymack what have you done to the little dragon? >:(
I was loving that.
By the way bear gets scary.

[blackdragoncg]

Off you go to a good start :thumbsup: looking forward to more of this little story. Good luck bringing it all together.

l8r

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112015653_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112015653_large.jpg)

Sorry for that last sketch...scribbled late at night...hopefully this saves me a little face...

Each of the demons now have a drive, a reason for being there, and the story is really starting to gel...
I'm up for some modelling woohoo!

[painkiller]

nice sketch ... kind of dark ... is this gona be twilight zone story ?


good luck to u !

[mecman]

Nice sketch Robert! I love the bear!!
It´ll become great!!
Good luck friend!!:thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Hey gotta say I overlooked your thread at first glance, because I didn't recognise you!

You'll always be sumdumguy to me, lol. Very nice sketch! Like the depth in it, very interesting!:thumbsup:

Keepin' an eye on.

[Virtuoso]

Oh yes Robert.....this will work........I like the whole attitude,mood you got with it....very Tim burtonish/Grim fandango-ish.......At least to me.....;)

Loks quite fun and interesting.cool concept and cool sketch,I like your idea and style here......Give it all your love,it'll be worth it.....I'll be looking in from here on in......Best to you..............:arteest:

[Atwooki]

Great sketch, Rob! Totally original theme / concept, and looking forward to sporadically joining in with the madness of your artwork and thread ;)

Chris

[wuxi_dakar]

DaddyMack,i saw same pic twice,same words as well,what happened ??
anyway,love your sketch,love the moon light:)

[alex.h.]

like the new sketch, great and see you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Kanga]

DaddyMack

Those are some kick ass demons!

Youre bananas!

Thank God :thumbsup: .

[DaddyMack]

Man, I gotta say...it's really encouraging getting feedback and criticism from you guys, thanks, especially to those who take the time to grasp my concept in a sea of mind numbingly stimulating concepts You know who you are...:bowdown::bowdown:bowdown:

Only 50 more sleepless nights till I can lose sleep doing something other than this:D...

[Brent3D]

Simply a wild idea. Look forward to seeing it fleshed out.

[aliasali]

hmm,cool concept too! well,im waitin for your 3dmodels! aha?:)?

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112103306_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112103306_large.jpg)

It starts...I've hit Maya now and hopefully can gain some momentum with modelling. I just realised while building Dead Ted that he will be my first ever character not purpose built for animation...I'm really warming to the freedom of not having to pay so much attention to topology for deformation...Let's hope it's not habit forming.

Anyway here's Dead Ted's Head, I'll try and develop the style for the piece through him and then onward into the rest.
Thanks for looking;)

[dmonk]

looking good so far. I love all of the random threading.:thumbsup:

[arLutiK]

Very nice modeling, great work :thumbsup:

[Brent3D]

Oh what fun, what fun! Nightmare Before Christmas syle. Damaged stitching works well.

[Gunilla]

Great concept and model so far! Its both cute and frightening at the same time ... very unique. I'm glad I found this thread - will be back for sure.

[jmBoekestein]

very good modelling.

Nice details, those stitched lips! I'm going to enjoy following this, haha.

[Aethyrprime]

Lol, very creative. I am liking this so far. Keep it up.

[jairobbo]

This is getting realy cool, very original! I love your story and contrasting elements. I guess just by posing the girl correctly (zomby-like) and making the monster very animate and expressive you'll get there!

GL!

[javaejderi]

The model is simple but effective, you catch the point...With only a fistful of polygons you got a such a character significant to our minds...Keep the good work goin'.....

"Force is all around binding and passing through all of us!!!"

[ace4016]

Great start on the modeling, close to the concept. Keep 'em coming:thumbsup: .

[Matroskin]

Wow! DaddyMack,
Yuo've got real scary teddy bear:)
Cool concept:applause: I mean it! :scream: Actually very original idea, espetially that on the first scetch - as they seem to me like flying and that kind-looking girl...
Look forward to see more, especially modelling and texturing!

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[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112154851_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112154851_large.jpg)

Hi again all;)
My main man Dead Ted is starting to take his form... I wanted to make him look like he was made by madness, as a compaion to madness.
Cindy made him for herself over a few weeks by cutting bits off other kids teddies, when no-one was looking, and stitching them together to make Dead Ted, her only true friend, and, the 'good guy' of her demon collective
...this is getting bent...

[TheFirstAngel]

oh, this is freaky, and way kewl. this give the word stitchin in 3d a new state of meaning :P
keep it up Mack! kewl update!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ace4016]

So thats what happends to fu-bears:scream: . Nice job on getting that....look. I hope the rest of the models look just as good. I hope to see more soon.

[Matroskin]

Wow, that scarry bear - he developes!
I like that pieces of clothes (or what is inside it).
But what about eyes? Will he have some, I mean with what he could also demonstrate his personality?
Can immagine what others will be:thumbsup:

[alex.h.]

love that teddy(daddy),great work, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

So thats what happends to fu-bears:scream: . Nice job on getting that....look. I hope the rest of the models look just as good. I hope to see more soon.

Hahaaah...yep sorry, had to bail on that proj ace, the FuBears messed with me one time to many and now they pay the price...

and yep...I'm kinda hopin the rest of the models look this good too :argh:

And thanks again all you folk who take the time to glance at my mess :bowdown: This community rocks!

[BlackDidThis]

It's going great.

You could actually market the toys of the characters once the challenge is over! Are we allowed to do that? Or are we sighing out the copyrights for it? :rolleyes:
Well what ever.. the modeling is going fantastic.
I just HAD to tag along. I really would like to see where this gets to.


Black

[ibexion]

great concept... how about some evil demon stationary...inanimate object but kids can
relate and could create some wicked characters from them..just a thought.

[safe05]

Very cool concept! Love that bear model. Nice attention to detail. (stuffing in arm & stiches) Gonna keep my eye on this one...:thumbsup:

[arLutiK]

Wow love the progress, great modeling

[Virtuoso]

Nice continued efforts Robert......The surreal appeal and freaky feel is going well...I lke your progres.keep it coming.....:arteest:

[jmBoekestein]

Even the fluff looks good! Nice shader too!


Just hanging back to see it all, lol.:thumbsup:

[Ludal]

hey man! that's a really great bear !
very nice work ;)

[Ravendsg]

Hi, i really love your teddy bear dude, really detailed and the way u modelled out the stitches, really made me sit up! :) Great job! :thumbsup:

[grooshka]

hi there daddyMack!
the concept is really interesting. toys twisted with sick manner. it looks scary and reminds me of chucky the doll character (the one from a few horror-movies).


I plan to develop each character in this piece conceptually as much as possible prior to 3d...I need 3-6 more 'demon' concepts...any ideas

what about a bald barbie which was taken from fire? could look nice :thumbsup:
good luck!

[Neeno]

that teddy freaks me out man thats one of the best teddy;s modeled honestly i have ever seen ... man you should make a horror short about that teddy i'll sure be watching it scared outta my pants...:twisted: :sad: ...awesome :applause:

[Reinier]

Lovely teddy... keep the updates comin'

~ reinier

[mecman]

Robert, this bear is realy amazing! I love it in the sketch, and now I love it on 3d! Great job my friend!!:thumbsup:

[Hooch]

Great concept man!
I can't wait to see that little girl coming alive in 3d! :bounce:

hurry hurry! :D

[gra7]

wwoow ! exelent model !!

waiting to see more ! c ya !

[Martinez3d]

Daddymack, this is the best bear i ever seen man!! it´s just perfect! i love too much the idea and your modelling skills mate!! keep working!! will certainly watch!!

Good luck!

Rafael Martinez

[smaddl]

this dead ted model is so great :bounce: very interesting concept

[Kanga]

Whoa Daddy!

That's one frikked up bear.
Were you attacked by these little creatures as a joey? What do you have against Teddys anyhow? You gotta admit it is a reaccuring theme.

Great stuff man,... keep it comin :thumbsup: .

[Aethyrprime]

Looking good. Dead Ted is coming along nicely and I have to admit bent... is one way of putting it ;) GJ!

[biliousfrog]

excellent work on the teddy, it's the kind of toy I always wanted...hell I still do:twisted:

[artman50]

i love the tedy hehe !! good present for my litle sister

[rastko]

Teddy bear is great :thumbsup: .

[DaddyMack]

Wow, thanks again all you folks for the props :bowdown: It really motivates me to push my boundaries further...I gotta admit that the Dead Ted Model looks more than a bit beyond my normal skill level, each time I look at it, it sorta doesn't register that I made him... Maybe I'm possessed or sumthin...dunno...but I hope it lasts the contest out whatever it is :shrug:

Haha grooshka, I started work on 'Bent Barbie' last night, she's really anorexic and has had a few too many haircuts, she also will have a slightly unhealthy obsession with makeup...the model still looks too poor to post tho...

neeno... I'm taking a little break from rigging and animating at the mo...but Ted may get reborn after the comp. Cheers

LOL Kanga, It's a worry aint it...

and ||) |V| |^| also lol, it all started off really innocent like...

Thanks again all you mental folk for the support and comments:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Puck]

Great work on the franken-teddy there :thumbsup:

I'm reminded of Sid's "toy constructions" from Toystory, with the barbies having holes in their head and tufts of hair poking out...a very cool theme. It also beings to mind these demonic looking toys from one of the past siggraph shorts (cant remember which one); There was an overly made-up barbie, and this twisted fat jack-in-the-box that wanted her. (It's incredible how much evil we can infuse our childhood playthings with!)

Well done, keep up the good work!

[angel]

nice job so far! love the randomness of the stitches.

[javaejderi]

Great horror toy :thumbsup::thumbsup:!!! Our childhood days are returning as nightmares?!?!
Keep it up maaaan!!! keep it up!!!

[arte-i45]

Hey this is a really awesome concept, there is nothing more terrifying than undead stuffed animals/demons. Great job on the modeling for Dead Ted! :thumbsup: I will defiantly be keeping an eye on your progress!

Matt

[Brent_3D]

Brilliant so far. Nice contorted teddy. Your attention to the rhythm with thread and over all form is very intersting. Go, go, go!

[Aethyrprime]

it always starts out innocent.. ;)

[feelinFroggy]

I really love the style. The details in the stitching are superb. :thumbsup:

keep it up!

[Atwooki]

Nice one, Rob :) That first Ted's looking MAD!!! just love it :blubbber: can see this is going to a planet I've only heard a vague and distant whisper of.... or was that somewhere else ? hmmm...

Yeah, luvverly :thumbsup: teddy (got me in stitches too)

Chris

[pigwater]

daddymack .. fun stuff .. i'm led by my demons so can relate .. and like the "chucky" effect

looking good :thumbsup:

[Miezis]

the teddy bear sure does look gruesome and arcane. this will be a great peace if you keep the mood that way!

[Mr.Waka]

Like your teddy bear and your style ! :thumbsup: ...Very nice idea !... really ! Your first mod promise a very good final picture !... :bounce: :bounce:

[nebezial]

sooo freay, u just gotta love it, the concept is great, but ur modelling is beyond!!!:thumbsup:

[blackdragoncg]

Looks like you have put forth a good effort to date Robert :thumbsup: I like what you are doing here....Good work....Keep those updates coming eh.... Good luck with the rest of the challenge too dude...and rock on :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112405252_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112405252_large.jpg)

Hi again all you mad folk!
Just a little update with the base geometry for barbie...before she takes her true form... I'll be back when I've uglied her mesh up a bit.
Thanks for looking, advice most welcome.

[Atwooki]

Cute, Robert ;)

Looking forward to seeing her 'broken-in' a bit!

later, puppet maestro :D ..... gonna be strolling over your way soon to check up on this li'll sweeties progress ...... :love:

Chris

[ace4016]

I can't wait to see barbie messed up. My little sister use to have barbies hen she was smaller, and I remembered that one time a dog chewed one of the dolls forearm right off; maybe you can add that to the hacked up barbie.

[TheFirstAngel]

dog chewed one of the dolls forearm right off; maybe you can add that to the hacked up barbie. didn't know snoopy is THAT sadistic ;)

I just was about to say how fine barbie looks like. lol, ok, go, kill her. lol nice progress mate! keep it up!

[alex.h.]

love that barbie model, keep going and see you mate :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BlackDidThis]

Why don't you just go and get yourself a Barbie.. and see how much you can damage her?!

Hey why not get a few?!!! :twisted:


The model is really like what you had described her to be. So this is what an even more anorexic Barbie would look like.


Everything is coming along very nicely!!

[Virtuoso]

Fun...nice...interesting......Well done......I am in the mood to watch toy story 2 now......Well done Robert......:thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Anorexic barbies, rabid teddies, you guys should seek help you know. I'm not kidding...


...


Stop staring at me...

I mean it...

[kattkieru]

Whoa, nice doll. It's a perfect parody of a real barbie. I think I might make the bottom of the pelvis, between the legs, a little more curved (right now it's a tad too perpendicular to the ground for my tastes), but I love how she has ... ahem... an exceedingly wide pelvic area, just like barbie probably would. ^-^

(No offense to anyone who played with barbies as a kid.)

Back on the Teddy, since it's from parts of many teddies I expect that the sectons will get colored differently? If you've already gone over that topic I apologize for bringing it up again, but I'm too tired right now to go back and read all the posts. ^-^

[phyle]

Hey Daddymack, I really like the concept! the teddy is looking amazing, and I cant wait to see the barbie uglified! itll look very freaky!

[Hooch]

Still playing with dolls? :scream:

hehehe.... Don't Stop mate! :thumbsup:

[Miezis]

great barby

but I have a warning for you! don't loose your composition! I once was trying to put all different characters in one peace [fat, tall, skinny, sexy, ugly], and result was, well......... it siply suck't! it was 2d though!
it takes a lots of skill to balance those features. have you got them? i'm sure I don't [well, atleast not yet]!

[Mr.Waka]

Very nice design for your thin barby ! like it ! :thumbsup: Keep going, like the way you're xorking and you're designing to ! Good work ! :bounce:

[Dodgeas3d]

Wow very good idea ! I love it! cant wait to see final!

[Matroskin]

Wow, DaddyMack, just love your barbie-doll!! Especially her hands-legs proportions!
Can't find words to describe my impression - awesome, manhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
Oh, will remeber it for a long...
Look forward to see more of your characters!

[soapy]

I love the barbie model, she looks great. Most of the stuff I do is about crazed toys, so this is workin for me. Cheers.

[Climax]

• Ops! missed your thread for a while! looking good Mack! barbie is looking hot, but gotta fix her's ass a bit:D

[ibexion]

lol@climax....does that mean make it bigger or smaller climax :)

[Kanga]

No advice here!

Sprint for it man :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

:buttrock::buttrock::buttrock::buttrock::buttrock:

Again, thanks a mountain all you mad folk who've taken the time to look and comment, it adds to my motivation to avoid sleeping in between family and work and life.

kattkieru, cheers mate and yep Ted will be multicoloured (you were the first to say so tho;))

Tonite I bow out humbly and catch up on some boring but, unfortunately, necessary sleeping... back soon

.....zzz.zzzzz.zzzz

[Tremoside]

Barbies.....!! More-more. Reminds me the Chip Soldiers film's barbie creatures.. Awesome!

:buttrock:

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112666259_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112666259_large.jpg)

Hi again all and cheers for all the support!

Here's just a humble little update and a step summary, all done in Maya with softmod and artisan over 3 smooth poly steps. I'll probably use a similar workflow for her body too. Thanks again all! back soon with some more plastic surgery

[alex.h.]

looks nice and (weird) in a good (bad) way, lovly tuch on that melting plastic, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Matroskin]

Oh, poor barbie...
Plastic surface looks very good, real childhood's nightmare!

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112676644_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112676644_large.jpg)

Hi again all
Just another quickie with workflow, again with maya artisan and softmod. I'm thinking I might stick one of her arms to her on the side where she's burned next...
as soon as she's done it's onto Flat Cat... should also be much fun:)
Thanks all!

[alex.h.]

looking cool, but dont distort it to mutch, so you lose the barbi look. see you mate and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BlackDidThis]

He hehehe;
no pain, no gain!

What did you deform her by? Boiling her?
Where are the crusts on some parts that the plastic cought on fire. Or wait I guess that would be a thing to do with bump or disp maps..;

Well she is looking like she is well dress now to be able to tag along


Black

[ace4016]

Looks like someone forgot their doll in the summer sun. Nice job on the melting, hoping to see flat cat soon.

[eddieellis]

thats kinda messed up dude,,,, awsome

[jmBoekestein]

Very realistic melting. May I ask how you did that? Is it painted displacement? Or done in ZBrush?

[DaddyMack]

Thanks guys for the comments

Alex, an excellent point...ulp...see next post

Blackdidthis, Texturing phase will be great fun;)

Ace, me too I reckon bb is well near done and Flat Cat will have his day soon:D

Eddie, from one who mimics the great Giger your comment is more than a little ironic

Jan Mark, with the absence of Zbrush in my life I tried to mimic a Zbrush workflow (from a tutorial) in Maya using sculpt poly tool and soft modification...:wip: It was kinda intuitive but there was a helluvalotta Ctrl-z-ing going on... I'll look into zbrush soon, it looks really streamlined from what I've seen...

here she comes

[DaddyMack]

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Hi again you mad cg folk
A busy day in the life of Barbie, she umm seemed so umm... innocent this morning. Her pose in the final image will be very similar to the bottom left shot.
My main concern at the moment is...have I gone too far this time?

[Pulp]

wonderfull |visual - emotional| connection. linkage web in your concept between all the chars should be of extended/melted plastic threads going out of the body of the doll. just first thing I thought after looking into your wip images. just .. so nice :)

[Gunilla]

So cool! May I suggest you make the hair with the look of "being stucked in the bottom drawer for ages" pointing out in a cloggy mess combined with some burned plastic ?

Can't wait to see what you do with flat cat. This is going extremely well:thumbsup:

[PeterPuppet]

This is brutal. Poor barbie hehe... That´s all I can say.

I ever get a daughter, you´re gonna be the last person on earth I let her meet ;).
Well excepted she asks me to give her a barbie for christmas. I hate barbies:twisted: . Great job! Keep them coming:thumbsup:


peace, pete

[soapy]

Barbie, didn't anyone tell you not to stand so close to the fireplace!?!

[javaejderi]

Hello again,
A fast progress you do through these pages!!! Some burnt holes must be added to your model, I think...Because it stands a bit artificial with this state...
Good luck!!!

[DaddyMack]

Thanks again for your support:thumbsup:

Pulp, I'm really glad you connect with the piece so far, I'm not sure about how they will be 'connected' as yet, tho will add to my list your suggestion, cheers!

Cool idea Gunilla, will give her hair a go further into the project

Pete...lol...Believe it or not I'm a 'stay at home mum' (I freelance from home) and am successfully raising two girls (6 and 8) Who are both really well adjusted, and at the top of their game in all they do...Go figure hey???

Soapy...lol

J++Dragon I agree, will do further on, cheers

And it's onto Flat Cat:D

[jmBoekestein]

This rocks DaddyMack!

The pose is something straight out of nightmare before christmas but now even with burnmarks and a weird smell too, euhw.

:):thumbsup:

[Virtuoso]

Are you related to the troublemaking kid from Toy story 1?;)

Like the warped look............Nice effect and well done......Keep the warped work coming....poor pretty barbie....:arteest: ;)

[Kanga]

He he Daddy gettin dirty!

Looking good!

[Claireabella]

Hey Daddy Mack........ Barbie's looking good! :bounce: Claireabella

[conundrum]

cool progress, i like the gradual deformation of barbie, your moving along nicely with your concept so i dont have anything to crit. keep it up

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112788727_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112788727_large.jpg)

Greetings again all :D
The third character (of a likely nine) for this piece was born today, we affectionately call him Flat Cat, he still needs work so I thought I should share him for C&C. He came to life without a sketch or reference so he's probably gonna have issues in his life.
His place in the final scene will probably be most like the bottom-most image.
Thanks for the look ;)

[Matroskin]

Awesome Barbie and Cat:eek: !!!
Well, Barbie seems to be a bit exagerated with deformation (your concerning was right!), cause in it's condition it's dificult to get what is what (ok, in position which defined as final it looks not bad).
But Cat is just cool! Maybe just his flat part could be more "flat" to make spectator notice it better (if cat will be positioned to camera as at the bottom).
Go on - became very curious about this http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif!!

[digones]

Thanks for the encouraging words :applause:


And you have simply a really nice concept here also! I loved the flat cat!!! hehehehe



good luck!

cheers,

[Gunilla]

Ha! Flat Cat rules. This is definitely one of the coolest threads around, just keep on adding your toys :cool:

[mecman]

Nice characters Robert!! this cat is really awesome!!

[eddieellis]

i cant do anthing but laugh at that milestone... keep it up mate

[StuntMan]

The will be so fun to see developing, keep up the great work ;) What a contest this'll be!

[Virtuoso]

Flat cat gets.............:thumbsup: :thumbsup: .....Fun and creative.....I can feel his pain already....nice expression as well as that "flat" body.........Keep it coming Robert..:arteest:

[BlackDidThis]

"Why did the cat cross the road?... oh he couldn't make it!... poor kitty!..." :eek:

Just out of curiosity.. Are you planning on making some tire marks or something on the cat? I mean what actually flatened it like that?


Black

[Larsen]

Hahaha man this is some hilarous and crazy concept, i haven't seen this thread but it looks very promising, poor barbie :D .

The barbie modeling is really cool...well, hot i must say :)

Flat cat is on good way too, i'm looking forward to the project, keep it up man :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

Hi all, and thanks again

jmBoekestein, as always mate, your humour shows that your brain may be a little on the large side...

Virtuoso, I am Sid from Toy story...very flattered that you like the work...

Kanga, slowly slowly mate, it's starting to gel more and more for me

Claireabella, conundrum, thank you both very much, I enjoy your work too.

DaddyMack, that's another predictably bent update mate:thumbsup: ...shhh they'll hear us....

Deryk, cheers for the headsup mate, I'll maybe tone it down a bit or see what I can do to make it more obvious with the color and bump maps..

Digones, thank you

Gunilla, mecman, thanks guys, I'm enjoying your threads too!

eddieellis, thanks man, I'm glad you geddit

Stuntman, thanks, it's great fun man

Again Virtuoso, stoked you connect with it already, thanks

BlackDidThis, I have cat issues, tyre marks for sure:thumbsup: and if I really wanna push myself into therapy some protruding bones and entrails for fun. Hopefully it will all come together more in the texturing phase of the project.

Cipher, thanks a lot mate, much appreciated..
I'd really, really appreciate anybody's comments on what they feel each individual character expresses to them so far. So I can tell what directions I need to take in the next steps...Cheers

And cheers all you lurkers too...I s e e y o u...:wavey:

[Micro26]

haha
this is really funny man ,a squased cat:thumbsup:
great modeling and concept.Very promising friend!

[ace4016]

lol, If it wasn't for the fact the flat cat was cg, I'd feel bad for laughing. Great job on flat cat. Can't wait to see the tire marks. (and I saw you talking to yourself, those darn chilli peppers huh?).

[DaddyMack]

Hi again Mr Micro, cheers, glad you're diggin it, it's been all fun and games so far:D

G'day Ace...yep, I'm dreading the thought of 'reference material' for this character...
and lol yes we talkses to ourselves a bit but we're ok with it...we get along really well:) cheers mate:thumbsup:

Like I said before,

I'd really, really appreciate anybody's comments on what they feel each individual character expresses to them so far. So I can tell what directions I need to take in the next steps...Cheers

Any o' you brainy folk out there wanna take a shot at it?...

[arLutiK]

OUCH!

Nice modeling, I can feel is pain.

:thumbsup:

[alex.h.]

love that cat, great work, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jake rupert]

Funny idea for a demon and great modell.
Will she be kind of floating behind the girl or just be dragged around?

Jake

[BlackDidThis]

...I'd really, really appreciate anybody's comments on what they feel each individual character expresses to them so far. So I can tell what directions I need to take in the next steps...Cheers...Mmmm let me see now;

BrokenTeddy (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112154851_large.jpg); bulky, soft, strong, possesive; loyal... dull and actually dumb.

PamLee after an xtreme diet (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112704436_large.jpg): Stupid, incapable, shallow, obedient, non-aggressive, unfortunate (Sort of like a Jinx), loyal.

HamstersRevenge (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112788727_large.jpg); Aggressive, self-centred, clever, vengent, in sighted, dangerous, independent, old, manipulative, highly capable.

I really don't know if these were the sort of remarks you were looking for. If such I hope my first few impressions that instantly crossed my mind would help you at understanding a bit of what their impact might be.

Everything is going great. Cruelly awaiting for the crusts and the tire marks!:twisted:


Black

(Makes you wonder how many people actualy read your concept to begin with doesn't it? :), we all do... just that your request demands some concentration, and not everybody has it at first sight. Good luck! :thumbsup: )

[DaddyMack]

Thanks BlackDidThis, you're a legend mate:thumbsup: this is where I'm coming from

Quoted from instructions page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/instructions.php)

>>First and foremost, submitted images will be judged on the strength of their emotive and narrative elements, with technical excellence as secondary criteria. The depth of feeling and the power of the relationship as portrayed by the image is the primary goal of this challenge. Participating artists must demonstrate clarity of thought and emotion in their finished images.<<

Your answers are pretty spot on to my original personality goals for each character...So... humbly... thanks good sir! BTW thanks for also correcting my retardedness in tossing the links up;)

What I'm really questioning at the moment is what each character 'appears to be feeling'
eg the first Flat Cat was clearly feeling some... umm ... pain , I tried to make him look (feel) as if he was reaching out, in an attempt to find relief from that pain.

I guess it's hard to get well without the whole pic in mind, I'll post a layout mockup soon, hopefully that will help convey my ?s better

Thanks again BlackDidThis, good sir, Anyone else wanna take a shot at what these figures may be feeling???

FlatCat update coming

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112855481_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112855481_large.jpg)

Hi all, Flat Cat is back after another round, I've made him a bit more gangly, run him over a few times, and given him some minor detailing. His view will be similar, as usual to the lower shot. I think the teeth make him look more angry than in pain...not sure...and I'm feeling I might pop his eyeball out so it hangs, and dent his head a bit, just for fun:)
Any suggestions?

[ace4016]

...
Like I said before,

I'd really, really appreciate anybody's comments on what they feel each individual character expresses to them so far. So I can tell what directions I need to take in the next steps...Cheers

Any o' you brainy folk out there wanna take a shot at it?...


hehe, just saw that actually. The teddy seems like a dependable, loyal cahracter that has been put back together as a reward for being there for the girl all those times she needed him. No comment on the barbie, looks like she got what she deserved. I did think flat cat was clawing for help when I saw it the first time, poor kitty. It's 5:21 am, my brain might not be working right, I should go to sleep (but most likely I won't).

BTW: flat cat looks even better and more ran over now.

[arsa3d]

nice concept, and really GOOD models. :thumbsup: me like.

[BlackDidThis]

I wouldn't exactly say that you are off the track in making him angry. Ever hurt a cat by accident, you'll sure notice that it gives you a sighn to not dare do it again. So he really looks like he just got HURT bad.

But if you are going for the after math.. I think you may want to squint his eyes a little bit and pull his expression to more pityful. Think of Tom from Tom and Jerry. There is a heap of expressions.
In any case I would say you have him shouting it out.. the pain I mean. Actually thats also what got me to say vengeant I guess (Those were listed without thought)

Just to quickly update to your question. I think the teddy has well adapted to his pain and is living with it, The Barbie tends to be unaware of whats happened.. though she notices that her movements are a bit limited. Well I think I gave the cats details above.

I hope this helps a bit aswel. And thank you very much for your kind words.


Black

Edit: As much as I am curious on how it may turn out... I think the eye ball and the head just MIGHT be too much.. just a little. But to experiment. It may be better than I fear.

[Jelmer]

good model, really nice cartoonish style:thumbsup: work on and have fun

[Crazydesign]

He, mack.

looks cool, and yeah he looks more angry than in pain, but he....wouldn't you be after being run over a few times. By the way i followed your advice on seeking mechstuff and all, worked out pretty well...for me that is. Could you give your comment on my work so far?

keep it up,

jimmy

[rastko]

Hehe crazy cat :thumbsup: . Is it "family cat" :)

Great.

[grooshka]

hi Daddymack! nice cat you have here. like Jelmer said: it looks a bit like cartoon. and it makes me laugh everytime i see it. like some comedy director from my country said: "my movie characters look sad and my spectators laugh" (Koterski). :)
good work and amazingly fast progress. :applause:

[handlebar]

Fantastic work, i love your concept, and the modeling awesome.

[3dRaven]

Nice one with the flat cat maybe give him a nice skid mark along the head when you get to texturing :thumbsup:

Melted Barbie came out great too....

[TheFirstAngel]

Have i said it already? Hahaha. very cool flat cat. your toyzombiecrew comes along like nightmate berfore xmas, 5 Stars deluxe version. keep it up mate, keep on rockin'!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[alexfalchi]

Ahahah this is soooo funny:) :) nice concept and the cat is like my cat:applause:

keep it up mate!!!:thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

Wow thanks for the comments...

BlackDidThis... Your insight is priceless, thank you immensely:D. I'll start reposing the figures soon so that they communicate my goals more clearly.

Jelmer.. thanks, I'm havin lotsa fun so far

Crazydesign.. cheers, and yeah I guess you're right...

Abishai_...lol... very obscure insiders joke

grooshka.. Aaaah nice quote man! I hope I can get the 'feel' right

handlebar...Thanks for the props

3dRaven.. cheers mate! on my todo list

the1st_angel... Thank you for your (very) kind words

alexfalchi... thanks man

Did I mention I've got some umm..cat issues...

It's becoming apparent to me that I'm rushing some aspects so I'm gonna re-assess a few factors...I'm starting to think my concept needs a real overhaul if it is to nail the below aspect down by final submission...

Quoted from instructions page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/instructions.php)

>>First and foremost, submitted images will be judged on the strength of their emotive and narrative elements, with technical excellence as secondary criteria. The depth of feeling and the power of the relationship as portrayed by the image is the primary goal of this challenge. Participating artists must demonstrate clarity of thought and emotion in their finished images.<<

A wave for the lurkers:wavey:

I'll be back with that updated layout sketch asap...Any suggestions anyone?

[alexfalchi]

Daddy : my concept needs a real overhaul.....

well I think while you work you will have the clear idea:thumbsup: (sorry not sure for this english):)
and...you have some wire of the funny cat please??

Alex.

[hands0nfire]

hello, I feel if you make the mouth not so wide open it may give you the pain your looking for, I don't think the shape of the teeth is playing a big part to the pain so I just thank making the mouth not so wide would do the trick.. and by the way I really like the cat model.so keep up the work...!

handsonfire
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=223443 <- this is my thread

[DaddyMack]

Hi alexfalchi, I hope so, it needs definition... wire comin soon man;)

Hi hands0nfire, thanks for the tip mate:thumbsup: will give it a try

Cheers all :wavey:

[Climax]

• Wahahhahahahaha, Cool flat-cat, u should make his eyes also comming out and bigger :scream: :D :applause:

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112932660_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112932660_large.jpg)

Hey guys and gals, just a wire as requested by Alexfalchi. It's a bit crunched but it's there nonetheless :)

Thanks again

[sumawut]

:scream: Hi! Mack

:bounce: I love desigh model cat.:applause: Idea you very interesting.:applause: Good Luck.:bounce:

[alexfalchi]

Hey Daddy tnx for wire mate!!...ho really nice and clean:thumbsup: good!!


Alex.

[DaddyMack]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112958089_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6196/6196_1112958089_large.jpg)

Hi again all
Here's a (really) rough layout of my concept as it currently stands. And this is my spiel I'm crafting it by...

My Servant is a seemingly innocent little orphan named Cindy whose parents treated her terribly before they died a year ago, (their house mysteriously burnt down while Cindy wasn’t in it)…Well, as a result of listening to her subconscious demons (her masters), Cindy has just burned down her orphanage, she is still listening to them (her demons) when the ‘snapshot’ happens, she is on her way to ‘visit’ her grandma, who put her in the orphanage after her parents died…

It is still a major goal for my final image to initially ‘trick’ the viewer into thinking Cindy is ‘taking her demons for a walk’, and then realize that it is them driving her toward more evil deeds, within moments of viewing…

I can see that the overall composition is in serious need of refinement, unfortunately composition is one of my weaker areas ...Any suggestions?...
I've got scooby snacks...

[ninox]

I love the falt cat a lot (five stars):buttrock: . I don't know why but I find something funny in his suffering may be the way you've modeled him, I mean the design, that is just so great. Like also, the work you've done on the barbie.
Good luck to you:)

[Mr.Waka]

As I said previously, love your design !! :bounce: And that flat cat is so good and deadly funny and irresistible !... Like your "humour noir" ! Great work ! :thumbsup:

[ace4016]

Nice comp layout. The way the eyes are in the concept sketch on the stand-in girl and the way she looks like she is looking back, seems like she is the servant and they are the master (to me atleast, I felt that before reading the description). Also, the teddy seems to be pointing at her like he's telling her to do something. I think the key to getting the viewer to notice that the demons are the master is in the girls expression (facial and body). Now we know why kids do evil things. Can't wait to see what the next model will be.

[cjewell]

Looking good man!

I love the bear, I can't wait to see more!

[suk-grigorij]

FLAT CAT!? Good lord, I fougth I'm the one crazy/wierd person here (no offence). Under any circumstances i'd never "thinked out" anything like that. MOST RESPECT.

[nix0r]

hahah I love the 'flatcat' :). Very cool ^^, you should make a small animation with it, put him in a boxing ring with a mouse or something like that :D.

[mecman]

Nice, nice!!! All the characters are great!!
Keep it up my friend!!:thumbsup: Can´t wait to see the final composition!

[eddieellis]

looking good my friend... love that cat !

[tilite]

just found this thread stopped in to say ..hi and... awesome and ... well done...

hvnt read threw nething yet but ill be back

great lil concept so far tho

[alexfalchi]

Wo..nice concept Daddy!!:thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

I am soooh looking forward to the final result!

But the composition is hard to read now. (Must be the medicine they gave me.):drool:

I mean, it's somewhat simple, It looks like they're on a cartoony slope, is that right?

[Gunilla]

Feels somewhat like a movie poster. Have you tried it in lying format? And maybe with a lowered, a bit tilted camera? There's a definite Tim Burtonesque feel to the scene right now, which I like. Darn, I like those toys - can't wait to see little Cindy evolve :thumbsup:

[arte-i45]

Hey DaddyMack, very cool scene comp. still can't get over how kickass that Dead Ted(dy) is! :thumbsup:

Matt

[Claireabella]

Hi DaddyMack. Yes, I can see it will be difficult to convey that it is the demons driving Cindy to do her dastardly deeds....... can only think that maybe all the demons have an arm outstretched towards her with the palm forwrds to show that they are guiding/pushing her forward to her next crime spree. That's as much as my brain can think of that at the moment. It's Friday night and it's been a tough week. :scream: Hope that might give you food for thought. Good luck. :thumbsup: Claireabella

[DaddyMack]

Well, it seems pretty clear that I must be getting at least one thing right... I didn't realise so many people out there had 'cat issues'... Thanks all you folk who commented so positively on what I thought was a pretty average idea... I hope I can keep these characters getting better and better along each step...Only 6 more to go...

ninox.. Cat issues.. Thanks man

Mr.Waka.. Coming from such an obviously bent brain, your compliment means a great deal to me..Thank you, I really enjoy your work too

ace4016.. Thanks dude, you've always maintained a consistent honesty and insight into my work... I really appreciate it... I think the next character will be hannibal Description (http://www.darkspider.org/%7Esumdumguy/cgcomp/Mackmasters.rtf)
But I'm gonna really try and nut the layout before getting too far into him

cjewell_01.. Thanks, Dead Ted is still a surprise to me...

suk-grigorij.. Cat issues again.. Thanks, I look forward to much more bentness to come

nix0r.. Clearly you're cut from a different cloth too mate.. but I gotta say... cat issues..

mecman.. Thanks dude... I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to grasp the final comp...You guys will know when I do..

eddieellis.. Thanks mate...Possible cat issues too.. LYW mate

tilite.. I find a good deal of insight in your posts around the comp...Thanks for the look in

alexfalchi.. thanks again Alex, glad you like it

jmBoekestein.. Yeah sorry my friend... I really just kinda mocked that up to nut the placements out for myself...(They're standing on a polysphere) I'll start some modelling on the evironment then hopefully my goals will start to become clearer.... :drool:.. Me hopes medicine makes my imaginary friend happy...and model...Me likes my imaginary friend...Thanks JM

Gunilla... I was going for the whole movie poster feel...I'm trying to entice the audience into 'reading' the image past their first glance. So your comment makes me smiling muchly... As for the angle and Burtonesque nature, I agree wholeheartedly...that angle needs way more tension...I didn't even know who Tim Burton was before people started pointing at me like that (:blush:shame on me..) I'm gonna hire Nightmare befrore xmas today for some style tips. Cheers mate!

mmbenya.. Thanks man.. Dead Ted was the pace setter and style model for this piece, I hope to be able to do more and more justice to the rest of the characters.. Thanks

Claireabella.. Thanks for the insight Claire, I'm thinking that I might make a really fat, angry, burnt Mum screaming in her ear to add to the impetus of her drive... My next character will have his (straightjacketed) arms outstretched exactly as you suggested so good call! Thanks

I really value and appreciate all the insight and support from you brainy folks :bowdown:
Keep it coming...:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Matt-Bortolino]

I love the concept- it's a refreshing break from the way most of the 3d entries are going (mine included :) ). Modelling so far is excellent (I hope you put some fur on that zombie teddy), & the current layout could do with some rejigging. The background is overpowering the characters at the moment, & I reckon it just needs to be a simpler & slightly smaller silhouette of the building & hillline against the moonlit sky, with the flames & smoke giving some extra rimlighting. The characters could fill most of the frame, & the girl in particular needs to be bigger & more central, since she's the focus. You could give her a sinister look with a ground-level keylight, tho I'm not sure what the source of that could be. Reflected from water? Or maybe you don't see the ground or her legs...

[DaddyMack]

Aaaahh Thank you `mb... If I'm gonna work on something for this long it has to mean something to me... That's why I went with my 15th concept instead of my 1st

Re the keylight I'm planning to have the dragons wings sorta shadow the demons, as if he's sheltering/ keeping them together and have the wingline cast a shadow that cuts off just before it reaches Cindy...sorta encasing her in light and giving her a really bold shadow of her own which will reach toward us beyond the bottom border. There will be some bounce back-up from the dewy ground to light the front of Cindy in a sinister way as you described

Fur is too expensive (Maya complete) I'm researching alternatives...

Silhouettes and rimlights for the background...Pure genius!!!:wise:

Cindy needs to be bigger...agreed, cheers...When reading through your well thought out insights I thought I could have her cover most of the bottom frame and be holding a lit match menacingly toward us. I'll try out a few sketches for feel

Saved your thoughts to my guideline text file:)

Thanks for opening my eyes to some really great possibilities `mb...I am in your debt

:wavey: Hi all you other folks out there :wavey:

Thanks for dropping in

[handlebar]

What a great imagaination you have, i'm so impressed with your characters so far, can't wait to see how things progress. Bravo. http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

[altebanger]

Just a thought on your composition, Cindy HAS to be the focal point of the piece where your eyes go first then lead them to the deamons and at the back of the pack an overlord cracking a whip towards Cindy, or some other means to show dominance. Love the Idea.

[Kanga]

Just a thought on your composition, Cindy HAS to be the focal point of the piece where your eyes go first then lead them to the deamons and at the back of the pack an overlord cracking a whip towards Cindy, or some other means to show dominance. Love the Idea.

What often also helps is drama, this is especially true with stills. If your main lines are horizontal and verticle things stay static. If the sizes of your components match each other the effect will also be calmer. What you need is more diagonal lines and dramatic pose to suggest a force,..... not only in this pic but in most compositions. Stretch those ropes, have her lean forward, use overlap, use every part of the buffalo!
http://www.art-werx.com/maxstuff/cindy.jpg
Here you could make the moon huge like fill half the background to get things creeped up a bit.

[DaddyMack]

Hi and thanks, as always you guys are blowing me away with the effort you're willing to contribute to my work :bowdown:

handlebar.. Thanks man, it's getting there... I can't wait to see how thing progress too!

altebanger.. Cheers, I agree that Cindy needs to dominate the image, my main difficulty at the moment is to achieve my original objective of 'tricking' the viewer into thinking that she is the master of these creature before realising that she is merely a servant to her demons...Should keep me busy for a while...

Kanga.. Thanks man, I had an early sketch where she wass really straining to pull them along, but it kinda lost my 'trick' factor...From your help tho, I add to my list..."must be able to see up Cindy's nose"...and "Moon needs to be menacingly large"...Also "I need some serious focus on my lines.." and lastly..."buffalos just aren't used in metaphors enough these days" I get your points, and will implement to the best of my abilities... Thanks again good sir ;)

Now it's back to the new drawing board...
I'll do my best to add these suggestions to my already overflowing to do list... Thanks a bundle you guys, Your brainspace, and the time you spend on this helps me immensely :bowdown:
No discrimination here tho, we love you lurkers just the same :wavey:

[Miezis]

since I've been away from this forum all this week, I didn't see any of your progress.... and I must say- GREAT! that cat is something I'll be seeing in my nightmares this night- really disturbing! the barby is also terible [in a good way :)]! hopefully other characters will be as horible as the previous ones [and when will you start making Cindy? -can't wait for that one!]

Hope you get the composition right, I'm no good at that thing, so hope someone smarter shows up!

[nix0r]

No discrimination here tho, we love you lurkers just the same :wavey:

lol :), I read on the internet that "When a lurker speaks up for the first time, this is called delurking."

so.. just wait, and I'll delurk with usefull comments before you know it!

[ace4016]

I have got to use that idea of yours of making a little text document to plan out everything. Seems concvientient and very little questions arise that can't be answered by the document; ingenius. Did you decide on a certain color pallete and/or shader style?

[makaron]

ya work make me both smile and think, at the same time:applause: funny pic and the message comes thru loud and clear...

[Wandddo]

Hello DaddyMack!:) Very very nice your characters and very nice modelling too. Your style is very original too, I liked the complexity in the modelling on sewn character!:thumbsup: I hope to see your updates. I'll be watching... Keep on going friend :D :D
cheers

[suk-grigorij]

Hi again, a Glorious-Lord-of-the-Flat-Cat:bowdown: . With all due respect:blush: ... you gained the first position in my personal list of freaks:drool: (in good meaming of this word). Look, I even had a dream about this cat:surprised . I don't know why, but it totally overwhelming my mind. I am almost shellshocked:banghead: . Well... HOW SOMEONE COULD "THINKOUT" ANYTHING LIKE THIS:thumbsup: . Plus, I like the realisation of the cat, and the rest stuff too. Lookung foward to see more.
Please don't be offened.

[alex.h.]

love the layout, keep going (mad) mate, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

Cheers guys for the comments:thumbsup:

Miezis.. I'm a bit intimidated by Cindy at the moment, I'll probably start her after I've really nutted out all the other elements. And I really hope someone smarter shows up too...Thanks dude, I'm glad you connect with this concept...

nix0r.. Funny as always man...lol

ace4016.. Ulp...umm... pallete...yeah... I'll get onto that...Good memory mate! Documenting everything is a good habit...It's like making a brief for yourself for each project, so that if you get lost in a labyrinth of creativity, you've got some guidelines to stick to to help with decisions...I do it all the time... Glad you could use the idea dude

makaron.. Great comment, thanks man!

Wandddo.. Much appreciated!

suk-grigorij.. Don't worry about offending me...Your comment reaches me with great welcome! What happened in your dream?..Sorry for the shellshock...Thank you very much for affirming my belief in the direction this is going mate! LYW, and cheers for making me laugh "Glorious-Lord-of-the-Flat-Cat:bowdown:"

alex.h... Always nice to have you drop in mate...tweeking the layout as I type

Back soon with some mods to the layout

[alexfalchi]

Come on Daddy update update:bounce: ,,,,,i'm wait:thumbsup:


Alex.

[DaddyMack]

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Hi guys sorry, but pretty boring post, but, I have a genuine question...Which layout do yuz think suits better at the mo? 1,2,3 or4? I blocked out the scene and did my best to follow all the advices you cluey folk offered...I'm now almost confident that I can pull of the communication I'm trying to, so I hope to get back into the modelling again... Next to have a turn on the production line...Hannibal, Cindy's little brother...

Thanks for all the support ;)

[eddieellis]

i kindda like number 4 mate

[ace4016]

Yup, number 4. It focuses more on the characters....and looks cool with the close up:D .

[alexfalchi]

Yep nice..i'm like 3 and 4......mhmhmhmhm meybe 3??!!

aniway goooood!!

Alex.

[mr wonky]

Number 4 gets my vote, too.

[theuni]

Hi,

I like Nr. 3 ... Can`t wait to see the nightmare come true :twisted:

[alex.h.]

i like 4 but i think 3 works best, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Aethyrprime]

I also like 4 the best.. should be interesting to see you continue like this... keep at it!

[nix0r]

3 gets my vote :D

:bounce:

[soapy]

I think number 4 might give you a better look at the little girl.

[monsitj]

No 3 but move the background house to the right a bit , move the moon to the right ,now it have been cut by theframe , make it full ,

[DaddyMack]

You Guys rock! thank you all immeasurably for steering me closer toward my objectives with this piece, before my Q? as well as since. I made those new layouts from your suggestions and I'd say I'm going to try to hit it somewhere between 3 and 4...refine it later...bigger buffalo to fry...I'm off to generate the next entity:D... Hannibal...:argh:
Cheers all y'all

[JacquesPena]

figure I take the time from my work and check out some of the awesome stuff going on...

I flipped through your thread and check out your progress and the wonderful idea you came up with. Very Original indeed. I especially enjoyed the bear you modeled, that is a great and very creepy design. I enjoyed the cat also, laughed a little after seeing it. But remember he was flat..lol. Your doing great expressing everything in your characters. Keep up the work. :)

For you last post, I suggest 4 cause it seems more intriguing as a scene then the others.

During this week, I'm adding some of the ideas you gave me in my thread..so thx for the input.:thumbsup:

[Jelmer]

yeah, 3 or 4 is good, it's important that you see the expressions/mood of the character, looking forward to see your next character:)

[Tremoside]

I think the second colud be the best coz 3 and 4 is bit confuzed to me. Perhaps i bit tighter frame could be fine..but it looks okay at the moment. Have a nice day!

[feelinFroggy]

Yep # 4 :thumbsup:

[Larsen]

I'll go for 3 also, get all characters clearly in the angle ...

[suk-grigorij]

Hello again, Glorious-Lord-of-the-Flat-Cat:bowdown:. 1 time joke, ha?
The dream? Ypu don't wanna know. Yep, the direction you go is truly a right and glorious path:applause: . I belive in you (seriously). Been watching your progress. Now I am really intrigued. Can't wait to see the final image. By the way, I forgot to mention that previous number 1 in my list of Freaks (No offence; glad that you are reasonable person and uderstand humor) is H.R. Giger. Ypu may be proud now.

Good luck, DaddyMack. I'll Keep my eye on your thread.
P.S. DO YOU HAVE A PET KENGURU?:curious:

[rynomyte]

:applause: DaddyMack, just now getting a chance to check out the progress and I have to say I like 3 and 4 but prefer 4 so it is good to hear you say a combination of both. I like the idea of the girl real close to the camera with the freaks trailing behind. I like the way the big creatures wings kind of frame the house and moon in the background too. can't wait to see what your final angle might be. Keep up the great work man!:thumbsup:

oh yeah, look, my freaks been bugging me to set up some sort of playdate with your freaks all freakin weekend...I know everyones relly busy right now but you know, maybe after the dust clears a little? I don't know...I'll have my people call your people. L8tr.:twisted:

[Virtuoso]

Hi Robert...........I think 3 is my choice.....nice shot for foreground and the backdrop has a nice angle up towards it.......Those fun creations are going to have a nice home/scene.....Keep it coming Robert,looking real nice.....:arteest:

[debaser]

i like the first one - #1. just because i think the shot is cleaner

[DaddyMack]

Thanks again for all the help! You guys rock!!!

Sleepinglion.. glad you could make time to drop in, cheers

suk-grigorij.. Mental picture for you...Giger is a towering mountain of a dragon, poised to devour humanity and all its ills...I'm just a scared little kitten, running away from him... Trust me my new friend, you should put HR right back where he was...I'm just visiting your consciousness, but I'm really glad my concept has stirred you so! and thanks for the great support Grigorij:thumbsup:

rynomyte.. playdate..playdate..playdate..:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Eddie, Snoopy, Alex, Wonky, Theuni, Alex, DMW, Bongobrains, Soapy, Monsit, Tremoside, Froggy, Cipher, Virtuoso and Nino, Thanks a mountain for your support and advices :bowdown: I'd have far less chance of nailing this concept without it!

Sorry for the slowness in upping, but Hannibal is putting up a noble fight, I don't think he wants to be born into the tormented life I'm offering him... That, and I'm pretending that I'm 6 years old most o the day coz my kids are on holidays hee hee... back as soon as I can with a slightly beaten Hannibal;)

[NEWT#]

Well :wise: ,
1. u gotta make your party move from left to right (its the law, or your licence to render revoked)
2. if u place the kid too far back she gets lost in the crowd, so I guess the answer is 3 or 4.

Q.E.D. :beer:

Yours truly

[mecman]

Hey Robert, I choose the 3 and 4....I think I prefer the 4!
Anyway, both are great!
Keep it up my friend!:thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

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Hi you mad folk!
This cheeky little monkey is putting up a really good fight so far but I think I 've almost got the base vibe going... phew... He's Cindy's older bro and He's a pretty messed up individual in his own right...
I'm curious how you folk think he's feeling so far...I hope to update his progress soon...Thanks all

[nix0r]

timmy! :D

He shows a lot of character :). I've got no crits. Maybe you could give his neck a bit more form, but that's a nitpick. keep going! :beer:

[Wandddo]

Hi Robert! I prefer number 4, more dynamic... but the close character should appear of whole body. Nice up date too :thumbsup: Cya

[DaddyMack]

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Greetings once again fellow compers!

Hannibal is starting to show his personality a bit more...He's having some personal issues at the moment... Still gotta do many little details but thought he's worth a look as is... The mask is kinda important but is currently interfering with the view of his ugly mug, He's got this whole zombie mouth thing happenin that I wanna try and bring out better, with the mask still on... There's a little peek at the man behind the mask in there too...just for laughs...Thanks for looking;)

How do you think his expression is working?

[alexfalchi]

Bhuahahah bhuahahah bhuaaaa :bounce: this is fantastic interpretation of hannibal the cannibal.

ahah very very funny dear Daddy, very funny!! keep it soooo funny friend.:thumbsup:

Alex.

[rynomyte]

That is lookin friggin sweet man! thanks for starting my day with a laugh! Can't wait, Must...see...more.... Keep it up Robert!:thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

NEWT#, mecman, nix0r (TIMmEeh...Ucrackedmeup!!!) Wandddo and alexfalchi cheers once again my friends:thumbsup:

Hmmm I'm curious as to why this ugly little sucker hasn't got many comments yet... I didn't enjoy the process of modelling him that much, and I'm kinda annoyed with him, did I pass my negativity onto this innocent little dude? The original barbie did better than this... Maybe he's a dud? Will give him a day or two to show some depth... otherwise it's off to the polygrinder with him...

TIMmEeh...hahaaahh...Made my day man

Lurkey Lurkey :wavey:

[DaddyMack]

Oops.. missed ya by minutes...
That is lookin friggin sweet man! thanks for starting my day with a laugh! Can't wait, Must...see...more.... Keep it up Robert!:thumbsup:

No man thank you... My day is kinda ending and it's been a loong one... catch ya on the flipside

[makaron]

Hannibal makes me wonder what he done or seen to turn out this way must been something horriable... :eek: His face is both scary and funny... I think he for sure looks good with all the other "nightmares" in ya pic... :applause:

[eddieellis]

Great character dude, make me laugh everytime i see it

[suk-grigorij]

Like the last renders. Cool:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: . I'll put Giger back. You're the second now.

Best of luck.

[safe05]

Great style and characterization! Much like the other characters, Hannible is great. Keep going, man! :thumbsup:

[mecman]

Great character Robert!!! Even better than the previous ones!! i love the style!!
Keep it up my friend!!:bounce:

[grooshka]

it's nice to see your next character keeps style with the others. but I would exaggerate his bigger eye even more so it looks goggled (dunno if you're catching what I mean). (kinda like this => :eek: :) ) it will compose well imho.

[alex.h.]

your hannibal is great Daddy Mack, this is going to be a stoning piece, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: