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blakbird
03-23-2005, 07:32 AM
Levent Gocer has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6170)

Latest Update: Concept Sketch: SERVING LOVER
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1115030748_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1115030748_large.jpg)

I have changed my concept again. (Hard to believe but yes :) )
I have changed it. Anyway world is changing. Many things change..
But for example love does not!.

When you are in love, it does not matter who is servant who is master. Sometimes they change the sides. But voluntarily.
I am planning to picture "serving lover".

blakbird
03-23-2005, 07:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111567770_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111567770_large.jpg)

Hi there,
Back again with a new theme for the challenge. I am very pleasant with the new subject and even at these first moments of design, my mind was filled with ideas etc. I have chosen the scenery composition of "The Gunfighter and the Smart Gun" for the challenge. Here is the quick sketch of the scene.

Story is about a possibility of a combat phonemena in the future (maybe near future). New innovative weapons have ability to SERVE better to their MASTERS by INTERACTING as talking about hit percentages, hidden enemies, suitable ammunition choices etc. plus some mutual relations like a good combination of FRIENDSHIP and SERVICE .

Scene is proposed to show this relation of a MASTER (gunfighter) and SERVANT (the interactive weapon).

I hope I will draw soon a better one with some fine details.
Good luck everyone.

ekarademir
03-25-2005, 12:24 AM
the idea is great but will you be able to give man-like gestures or expressions to weapons?

blakbird
03-25-2005, 09:25 PM
Certainly yes my friend, it has to be like that but I have a little problem to solve. I have another idea and quite not sure which one to use as a concept, now I am thinking of deploying both of the ideas here and see which one is better to go on with in 2D challenge.

blakbird
03-25-2005, 09:45 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111790739_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111790739_large.jpg)

Better drawing

blakbird
03-25-2005, 10:07 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111792063_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111792063_large.jpg)

Here is the other idea. May someone give an idea about that which one would be smarter to continue for?

blakbird
03-25-2005, 10:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111794405_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111794405_large.jpg)

I think this sketch is good enough to be a line art step

blakbird
03-25-2005, 11:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111795895_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111795895_large.jpg)

Started coloring concept 2

rawgon
03-25-2005, 11:12 PM
pretty cool and funy, thats how romans washed their feet, keep it up:) good luck

ekarademir
03-25-2005, 11:44 PM
i think the second concept is better. more emotional. the artistic figures on the armors are so cool.

blakbird
03-26-2005, 10:29 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111879763_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111879763_large.jpg)

Scene with a try of a style

blakbird
03-27-2005, 04:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111900316_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1111900316_large.jpg)

Another style.

MDN67
03-27-2005, 05:18 AM
I like the concept and the style which its painted elements, extremement realist, on the other hand the whole composition misses of homogenité, you should better integrate elements between them, the dog for example gives the impression to have been stuck on the bottom

ekarademir
03-27-2005, 09:10 AM
you can work on the foot of the soldier. seems unproportional:rolleyes:

yznah
03-27-2005, 09:32 AM
wow this is impressive, it looks like a 3d rendering with some npr on it :)

anilduran
03-27-2005, 09:58 AM
good luck,
we're looking forward to your next step....
kolay gelsin eline salik...

blakbird
03-27-2005, 12:18 PM
I like the concept and the style which its painted elements, extremement realist, on the other hand the whole composition misses of homogenité, you should better integrate elements between them, the dog for example gives the impression to have been stuck on the bottom

You are totally right. Here you see at this stage is just an underpainting. I am thinking of painting nearly more than a half of the canvas again with an upper layer of colors. Then you may see the links and relations of the items on the scene plus absent parts of the things and the dog. Thanks :)

blakbird
03-27-2005, 12:20 PM
you can work on the foot of the soldier. seems unproportional:rolleyes:

Let me look on that

blakbird
03-27-2005, 12:22 PM
wow this is impressive, it looks like a 3d rendering with some npr on it :)

Great, you know the job "yznah". :)

I am thinking of using that as an underpainting.

blakbird
03-27-2005, 12:23 PM
good luck,
we're looking forward to your next step....
kolay gelsin eline salik...

Thank you very much brother. Do we have a chance to see you in this challenge?

meykurt
03-28-2005, 12:05 PM
kolay gelsin, sağlam concept olmuş..
başarılar dilerim
keep up.

Silveraxe
03-28-2005, 01:16 PM
I think the one with the dog leaning towards his master's feet is much better, it has a stronger emotion. The idea with the gun gets strong *with* a written description. If you are aiming more towards "illustration", then the one with the dog seems to be a better shot ;) the picture talks more for itself... well that's what I think... n___n

iyi sanslar!

blakbird
03-28-2005, 08:19 PM
I think the one with the dog leaning towards his master's feet is much better, it has a stronger emotion. The idea with the gun gets strong *with* a written description. If you are aiming more towards "illustration", then the one with the dog seems to be a better shot ;) the picture talks more for itself... well that's what I think... n___n

iyi sanslar!

I am going towards the second one, but I have a description for it also. Not written yet but soon I am thinking of telling its story.

SILVERAXE and MEYKURT, thanks for your good wishes and support. I am always open to your critics from now on.

ebrowning
03-30-2005, 08:10 PM
Just two suggestions: First, avoid giving people a written explanation- and see if you can make the image do all of the talking. I think the idea reads right now all by itself. The second is- get really good photo reference of the dog and the leg- the dog is the most important single element in your image so it's really worth getting right. Suggestions only, take them or leave them.

Keep it up!

Cerebr4l
03-30-2005, 08:20 PM
wow this is impressive, it looks like a 3d rendering with some npr on it :)

I agree with yznah.

blakbird
03-31-2005, 12:24 PM
I think "stories" are one of the requirements.

BlackDidThis
04-08-2005, 03:09 PM
Oh yes.. stories ARE one of the requirments. I guess he was reffering more to have it presented in such a way that we shall not fall obligated to read what is all about.


Though the scene has been worked on so much. the angle you have chosen doesn't scatter the elements in a constructive manner. It is a sort of dangerous play. Since it takes from the discriptiveness supplied.
Like for example I am not too sure if I liked the licking bit of the sketch.. but the way that the dog was coming from behind gave some more leverage. In this state you have elements cut off that are all actually in the same space coordinates. And the cutting off is from opposite sides of the image.
I hope this makes some sence.


Black

blakbird
04-12-2005, 08:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113295192_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113295192_large.jpg)

Here you see some borders and divisions of working canvas. Following picture will be possibly a line art (scanned freehand).

blakbird
04-16-2005, 06:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113633946_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113633946_large.jpg)

I AM SHIFTING MY 3D CONCEPT TO 2D BRANCH OF THE CHALLENGE. THESE ROBOTS ARE FROM "COMPUTER GAME ROBOTS".

blakbird
04-16-2005, 06:47 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113634035_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113634035_large.jpg)

Continue to sketches

blakbird
04-19-2005, 06:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113893536_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1113893536_large.jpg)

BRAND NEW CONCEPT (as lineart)

Firestorms
04-19-2005, 08:23 AM
interesting concept Goıod luck

BlackDidThis
04-19-2005, 01:29 PM
Lol, I remembered the days I was trying to teach studnets to draw from a live model from the academy...
Especially while preparing for the entry exams, most would do the mistake of starting with a big head, and noticing that it own't fit into the paper, they would start to shrink the legs gradually, until we would end up with a set of tiny feet :)

You defilnately know your way around drawing to compair. And I think you have the raised arm really fitted in well with tilting the torso's weight forward. Guess you are really into this, or you watch alot of "Atil Kurt" movies with the Kazak circus performers doing all the stunts!
It was the way the head of the horse sort of shrinks it's way into the lay out. Seems like it should have been longer.
Wait a minute.. come to think of it, I think your guy has small feet aswell :eek:

I liked the layout alot.. it is like the victory tales embedded on persian rugs or reliefs, depicting the travels to battle with a return of victory.
(Baba bu simdi hakaret gibi olacak; ama degistirmek ile bence cok iyi yaptin... son yaklasimlar cok daha etkileyici!)

I am gonna be waiting from more from you :)


Black

blakbird
04-19-2005, 08:09 PM
Thankyou FIRESTORMS, Thankyou BLACKDIDTHIS

I have made this sketch in such a rush and did not really examine the proportions. Here I am emphasizing the emotions for the success. I am planning to trim bad factors but may spare some unless they ruin the general idea (you know many miniatures and illuminiares are subjected to some misproportioned figures and squeezed perspectives etc.). I think you got it. Maybe it suddenly change into an orientalist painting with realistic lines. I dont know. I want to use my cursor like a real brush and see after some strokes what would be better for the picture.

I am ok with this 2D concept and thinking of finishing the challenge with this picture.
For 3D you know the story and PAWNS will possibly be the final subject.

blakbird
04-20-2005, 10:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114035832_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114035832_large.jpg)

Some design trims

blakbird
04-20-2005, 10:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114037420_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114037420_large.jpg)

Started coloring

blakbird
04-20-2005, 10:52 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114037567_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114037567_large.jpg)

Yes coloring

blakbird
04-21-2005, 09:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114120540_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114120540_large.jpg)

My starting point (in red rectangle)

blakbird
04-21-2005, 09:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114120785_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114120785_large.jpg)

Started real coloring

blakbird
04-21-2005, 10:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114122190_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1114122190_large.jpg)

Blue Feather

xric7
04-29-2005, 03:20 PM
cool idea.and cool style.:thumbsup:

BlackDidThis
04-30-2005, 08:16 AM
Great!!
So you started painting things in eh?

Are you going to be able to make it in time? I know you work fast... but there is 18/19 days left in hand. It would be a tisk, both youentries are smashing with the new concept changes!

It's going really great; Bol sanslar!:thumbsup:


Black

blakbird
05-02-2005, 10:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1115030748_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6170/6170_1115030748_large.jpg)

I have changed my concept again. (Hard to believe but yes :) )
I have changed it. Anyway world is changing. Many things change..
But for example love does not!.

When you are in love, it does not matter who is servant who is master. Sometimes they change the sides. But voluntarily.
I am planning to picture "serving lover".

blakbird
05-03-2005, 05:19 AM
Thanks Black thanks Xric7.
I hope you like the new concept too.

EVIL
05-03-2005, 03:20 PM
ROFL!!! there is a deadline you know!

blakbird
05-03-2005, 05:38 PM
But nothing to do. I felt myself more comfortable with this new idea. Whether it completes or not, I dont mind. When i finish it; if it is too late, anyway. Still have a chance to get crits.;)

BlackDidThis
05-23-2005, 06:46 PM
You'll get crits if you post some WIP's :)


So are you going to move this one to the 2D WIP forums?

Would like to see where you take it to from here!


Black

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