Master and Servant 3D Entry: Jan-Mark Boekestein

[jmBoekestein]

Hello everybody!

Hope to have lots of fun with you! And good luck to everybody.

:scream:

[ace4016]

Good luck to you too.

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks Ace4016! I'll be checking around.



Here's my first idea,

Eons after the great battle which nigh on resulted in the total genocide of the humanoid race that now exists in vague old stories as dragonriders and hellbeasts. A slow recouperation had granted them the opportunity to take revenge on the human races which had become unaware of their past as a slave race.
It would be eye for an eye, they were all to perish.

In the final battle however, one of the last humans was hunted down. Unable to accept her demise she clings to her assailant with a dagger on her throat pushing her down. Thi hellbeast had never seen such fury and beauty in a human before, her pale skin standing out like a shining light. In his rage a slow feeling of utter hatred turned mildly into something else, be it contempt or maybe even infatuation. His mind was now set on taking this girl as his servant to torture her as he wishes. The love between them would grow.

As it did so did their firstborn who was considered an abomination and was sentenced to summary execution at the age of 2. Her love bound to their laws of hate and born from revenge, could not care. For he had never forgotten the ages of banishment. She struck him down in their last lovemaking and escaped. The new wilds took her in and so ended the human race.

Tadaah, but I think it's too much to put in one image. Will have to work on that!

[Shaykai]

Haha, it seems like you are having the same problem as me; trying to tell a great story with one image. But I guess they say a picture is worth a thousand words. :) I look forward to your concept.

Shaykai

[niki]

good luck jmBoekestein !!
I'll follow your thread :)

[element5]

Hiya... goodluck :thumbsup:

[Larsen]

Good luck man :beer:

[Kid-Mesh]

Whoa, that's a story for you right there, I would love to see some concept images for that!

[DaddyMack]

Hi jmBoekestein, looking forward to see what you pull together...

[jmBoekestein]

You guys and girls wouldn't believe the luck I had today.:scream: :love:

Missed a train(again), and found my model on the other one I took afterwards, :applause: it doesn't get better than that. I'll post the pictures maybe, absolutely perfect for it! Strong but feminine!

Niki, thanks. I was looking for yours but didn't have enough time. I'll be checking and good luck!

Kidmesh and daddymack, I'll get to it asap. Every day I get closer to my holiday time, mwahahaaa. This way it almost seems like engineering instead of image composition, lol.

And thanks element5 and cipher. Let the games begin!:bounce:

[TheFirstAngel]

Haha, great to see you're in too! 90 minutes stuff into a still shot? well, that itself sounds challenging. i see 16x9 potential in that little story worth a work out.

WIsh you all the fun and best luck mate, let it rock!:wip: :beer: :thumbsup:

[alex.h.]

you can do some great work from that story. see you and good sculpting :thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks Sacha and alex.h,

16x9, that's a really good idea!!! Gonna have to look into that.

[Squibbit]

hah , found ya ! dude, i see u have your story laid out so
i just wish u all well and have fun ! :bounce:

[Enayla]

Concept sounds wonderful :D Consider me watching you!

[Troof]

hey jm,

i like the concept and everythign! good job...cant wait to see some sketches

[Kanga]

Love, passion, hate, history seems to have it all!

Nice to see you jm and

May the force be with you!

[jmBoekestein]

Enayla, thank you, I'll do my best for you:D!

Troof, they're coming up soon:bounce: !

Kanga, thanks man! I hope I can squeeze it in one image:arteest: !

I felt like I had written it down too fast so I edited it for more easy reading and my personal comfort. I can't think of any title except Nemesis though, rather embarassing.:surprised But here it is!

Nemesis.


Long after the great battle which effectively resulted in the total genocide of the humanoid race that now exists in vague old stories as dragonriders, hellbeasts, vampyres and even wherevolwes. A slow secret recouperation for this race had granted them the opportunity to take revenge on the human races. The humans, to their knowledge had grown week, silly and arrogant. The species they had so carefully bred before, had turned on them after realising their potential. But insolent as they were, they had been unable to build a civilisation for a long time since. They forgot slowly and steadily. Until no one even considered hunting ghosts from a story, let alone the demons of old myths and religious sriptures.



In these days no more than hatred existed for the human race, they had grown again into a phenomenal force and were bent only on destroying every human on the planet. It would be eye for an eye, no one would survive their fury and onslaught.



The war began and ended as if a bad dream. The human race was being vanquished at unfathomable speeds, no one was prepared for the systematic slaughter of their people, their primitive airtactics had no defense against fast turning small targets. Great panic struck as the human warfarers started to strike at their own in a last attempt to vanquish the Enemy, to no avail.



Many battles and even more skirmishes were lost. Finally all but a few humans had been vanquished. Amongst the last was a young woman. Lost to circumstances and alone she was tracked down at last. Driven into a corner but unable to accept her demise she struck clumsily at her assailant who quickly forced her down. As a last act of revenge he pinned her back pushing down on her neck with a dagger. As she clung to him in an effort for mercy or revenge he would stare at her, and force her into despair as she realised her life was slipping away in his hands.

Having never seen such fury and beauty in a human before, he hesitated to strike at seeing her pale skin standing out like a ghostlight. In his rage a slow change in feeling of utter hatred turned mildly into something else, be it contempt or maybe even infatuation. His mind was now set on taking this girl as his servant to do with her as he wished. Seeing the strength and lively beauty of this human up close he came to accept her and eventually love her. She came to see more than her nightmares in his face and the love between them would grow.

As it did so did their firstborn who was considered an abomination, she, or rather, it was sentenced to summary execution at the age of 2. Her loved one, bound to their laws of hate and baring a thirst for revenge, could not care. For he had never forgotten the ages of banishment. Finding no way out, she was forced to choose. She struck him down in their last lovemaking and escaped into the new earthly wildernis. A wildernis filled with creatures again usurpuring the realms the defeated. She was swallowed up into this strangers land, taking away with her the nemesis of both the humans and the enemies of old.



So ended the human race, and started the demise of the enemies of old. Leaving a new world.

Phew, looks longer now than yesterday, hmm...

[ace4016]

Amazing story, really. Now, which scene are you planning to capture exactly? With a whole story, there can be so much to choose from. Good lukc with the concept image.

[MacAndre]

great story... can´t wait to see you concept scetch. :eek:

[jmBoekestein]

Thank you Ace4016!

I was thinking about using the scene where she's caught and pinned down, and en-profile.

But I'm also considering a moment after she's killed her lover, that could be very evocative. Tough choice, but I'll figure it out.

[Rudeone]

Hiya jmBoekestein, all I can say right now is: great great story! I'm curious about wich scene you're gonna choose.
anyway, i'll keep checking your thread, good luck and have fun!

[Versiden]

great concept, u tell an awesome story.. can't wait for some initial sketches..

[Larsen]

Such a deep story, cool ideas inside !
Interesting to see how you'll picture it, looking for your concepts...

[morgan]

Cool story. Waiting for a start. Good luck man...:)

[overcontrast]

hey cool story man.... its gonna b gr8 if u can potray it properly and i'm sure ur gonna do that... good luck wit it man :thumbsup:

[coCoKNIght]

:eek: what a story!! sounds promising, a ver!

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks guys!

I'm going onto the concept stage now! I'll be seeing you and happy holidays!

[TheFirstAngel]

so go go go mate! can't wait to see ya gettin busy some poly's! as already said, great story you got, now its time to give it some physics:)

[jddog]

well me and english are 2 different things, but I'm intrigued about your story... hope to see soon some sketch... good luck :thumbsup:

jdd

[Mordalles]

good story. good luck.

[Squibbit]

what no sketches no nuthin yet ?? grrr

[paperclip]

Let's be having some concept sketches! Good luck man, can't wait to see your stuff, I'm so proud of my 'crit buddy'. You're going up in the world!:D Even Enayla is hanging out here for your work....

[TheFirstAngel]

Sketch sketch, and even if just a scribble, bring em lines :) (came to push you a bit)

go go go mate!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[jmBoekestein]

:blush: Ahww...you guys are making me blush. But I have something to show.

Paperclip, I wish!!!:D

Sacha, I'm trying! Was kinda busy! This weekend I'm getting serious!!!

Sorry, Squibbit:<|,
comin' up.

Thanks jddog!

Thanks Mordalles!

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/8034/protagonistraw11au.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)



My heroin in side view, straight from the photo, at least you can see where I'm going. The expression will have to change, but I'm doing that now in the compostion sketch.
I'm working on a composition but it's taking me a while. Because I'm trying it in 16x9, pretty difficult considering I don't have the luxury of different shots! I'll need some advice before long I'm afraid!

Thanks again guys and gahls!

[jmBoekestein]

This so cool! I now have an internet connection on my own computrer!!! Now I can update right after I finish anything, and read all your threads without any pressure, Yeah baby!!!

[TheFirstAngel]

hahaha, kewl, congrats. Yeha, makes things much more comfortable, but make susre you don't end up like me, comin home, start pc, work 5 hours, post, and then keep reading and answering til 6 in the morning and have to go working straight after that ;)

Sketch looks good so far, looks like we're getting a stunning beauty in here :)
This weekend I'm getting serious!!! i'll look forward to that!

[jmBoekestein]

Poor me!

I allready was in that state before! It can only get worse!:argh:

[jairobbo]

Good luck JM!!

Looking forward to composition/layout sketches!! Nice drawing btw. I'll be following your progress!

Jairo

[jmBoekestein]

Hey dude!

Gonna join the frey?

Thanks for checking!

[jmBoekestein]

Ok, a basic version of the dragon the hunter guy will have ridden. I want it a little more snakelike, but I like it.

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/8928/dragonconcept7xw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Squibbit]

dude, why not submit the pics as cgtalk contest wips ?

yay for dragons, i think i gonna put several of them i my 2D pic :bounce:

[jmBoekestein]

Well I guess, I don't know...

forgot I guess! Thanks man! Going to submit them now.:hmm: " what contest, oww... uhm..."

[jmBoekestein]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1111862472_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1111862472_large.jpg)

Straight from the photograph, but it's an idea of what she'll be like.

Crap!!! I always conflict with structured and well organised systems!!! There's another one comin' up, tralala, lul.

[jmBoekestein]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1111862858_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1111862858_large.jpg)

this is a dragon which will be in the background as a looming ghost or symbol of destruction or something. I'm going to change it but it's close.

[pencil-head]

Great story/concept. Nice work on the girl too. The dragon could do with some more detail though.

[Virtuoso]

Hi jan-Mark.................I like the in-depth story very much.....It adds so much to the overall art now and in the end.......The sketches show promise of an exciting character set.......I'l be watching for more as you progress,and wish you the best and good luck....:arteest:

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks man! You're a real good sport!

[SheepFactory]

cool stuff man , cant wait to see some modelling!

[jmBoekestein]

Phew, wouldn't dream of yet!!! But can't wait myself either!!! lol.

[Troof]

Hey JM,

. I've seen you alot around here (mostly about anatomy) so just commenting.Love your concept and your story is awesome. I cant wait till the modeling begins..and see your approach =P.

GL
Subscribing

[NOOB!]

u definatly have ur idea planned out which is good to see,ur concepts sketches look great,i'll wait to see more.

[jairobbo]

Realy great story JM, nice historic descriptions.. Maybe also work out some of sthe backstory of the main characters. Guess that will clear up some issues and personalise things!

keep it up!

[alex.h.]

loking foreward for 3d dragon jm, see you and :thumbsup:

[Larsen]

Hey cool designs so far, i like the girl, nice one ! I'm looking forward for your final concept, it's coming good...i feel it:thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Jairobbo, I have their stories mostly in my head, but worked out enough. I won't be posting those, I wouldn't know where to start or stop. Thanks for the tip though.:)

Alex.h., me too!!! Mwahahahaaah...:twisted:

cipher, thanks, a real stroke of luck that I found her. I'm really happy about it.:bounce:

Still working on the copncept, I'll have something later on I hope!:thumbsup:

[blackdragoncg]

Farout man what a story :thumbsup: You definately have loads of talent. All the best on brining it all together for this challenge. Can't wait to see more!

Rock on

L8r :thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks man!:D

And it came out so damn fast too! I'm happy you like it!

[BlackDidThis]

That is SOME story there.. Feels like the background myth of the serpents from 'The Shadow of a Dark Queen' or something. Very impressive.

I too like a broad background asset for my characters; even if irrelevent to the final image presented. Since the 'feel' of all of it is always presented as you work it out.
Is yours such a case aswel? Or are you literally planning on inserting all of it into one image? Like most everybody so far, I too am very curiouse on how things are going to turn out. Just tagging along to make sure I don't miss out on it.

Good Luck!

Black

[StephD]

good luck jm ! ;)
I'll be following this

[jmBoekestein]

Blackdidthis, I can't say I always have a backstory worked out for the images I make, but I do like having a good idea of what I'm doing. And on this chalenge it certainly is the case! Nice to see you drop by. Thanks

Dezz, thanks. I hope not to disappoint you!

[SoniaNotRed]

Hi, jmBoekestein!

I've been watching your progress. It seems your pic is really going to look like a sci-fi novel book cover! :thumbsup: Cool!
I think I know how you felt when you saw that girl. I was once at the market getting my groceries when this guy shows up - an employee - and he looked just like one of the characters I had made up for a story. Man, it was weird! I was hoping to see him again and get to draw him, but I guess he quit the job.:sad:
Anyway, I'll be checking back later to see how things are coming along.

Good luck!

[jmBoekestein]

:shrug: Funny how these things work don't they,

it's like someone up there really is watching sometimes. Remember to grab your mobile next time and flatter him/her with a picture. Seems like these chance models disappear just like that.:scream:

Thanks for checking.

C Ya!

[jmBoekestein]

I was fiddling with for so long that it got me down!
I think it looks flat and I don't know what to do with it. I think I should just start over because some areas are detailed and others completely empty, it's distracting.

the idea was to put her of balance to the left, but I have so much negative space now that I really don't know where, the atmosphere will be very dark and so will the background, and with a purple mist and hopefully in a forest rendered in a separate pass. Maybe I should step of the 16x9 ratio?

Any ideas would be grately appreciated!!!:sad: (means: Help me please!!!)

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/6006/conceptsketch12jp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)

[mecman]

Nice!! the last sketch is great!!
I´ll be following your work man!!:thumbsup:
Good luck!

[ace4016]

I too am having trouble with negative sapce in my compostion; i jsut ont know what do do to fill the background. But I think what's going to help me, and might help you, is a story, a reason behind the scene. With that said, just think more about the story and what the scenery looks like around it (feel like im in english again). Aslo, if the composition is bothering you, try taking your mind off it, and do something else, like model(we are all waiting to see you start modleing:p); that was great adivce gievn to me in my own thread, really helps. Hope I helped a little.

[jmBoekestein]

Sounds good! I'll have to some homework first anyway. Exams!

I'll start on the dragon first untill something pops into my head.

[coCoKNIght]

That's a good advice from ace! I hope you won't start all over 'cause I like your sketch very much, there's white space, sure, but that can be filled! :)

[BlackDidThis]

Hello again Jim;

I don't know if I would dare call it help, but I am going to try and spill out what comes to my mind.

Now the devil about your image is that even though postwork is encouraged; you are sort of obligated to MODEL the whole thing aswell.

What I personally think is mising out is the dynamism of the srtuggle. Like the two figures shoul dbe kin of in the center streched from one corner (personal prefference bottom left) to another corner (Prefference would be the top right hand corner) there mutual composition can ofcourse be a rectangular form... No problem with that. But from the paleness of her leg to a shoulder or the light hitting on his back. I feel the demand of a highlight projecting a diagonal discription.

Now as for their struggle so mentioned. The best struggle would be like watching Bradey Bar doing his funny stuff while almost getting strangled by a boa constructor. The manner not only of how the snake wrapes around his neck. But also in the meanings of how it's attack increases by the external coils just merge in aswel.
I am not saying that you should give one of them a tail or a demi snake look.. But to have them sort of wrap around through the srtuggles process. A struggle that ends up with her having her throught in threat. And I would definately insist that you don't have them in a straight up posture but in a contrposto pose (Sort of like a twist.. like most of the figure studies by Rubens) This would increase the wrapping.

And his mount should be sort of parked on the outer skirts of the picture. Like I don't know. To have thme more on an elevated area. lik in the mouth of a cave of the lip of a hill. The viewer looking out from the cave or from behind the lip at this case in order to see them in a much greater scale to compair to the mount that is sitting and waiting down below. Actually I think I would preffer the mouth of a cave ot something since it would allow you to add great shades to contrast to the mount and his grounds more lit by sunlight.

Now I know all that I have said is not the easiest to do.. leave alone to model.. it takes some amount of ability to be able to even draw it. And once you model such a scene ou are going to be going through hell just to prevent annoying interpenetrations. But I think it would be an intresting image to try and tackle.

As I said above... I don't know if this is going to be of any help. It was all little more than my babblings about the image I saw when I had read your story first.

I hope this can prove more use to you and not confuse you more (AND I hope that it makes sence).

Black

[Kanga]

In your mind zoom around the scene. Use every dirty trick you can to boost your image message.

What I am about to say seems obvious but when you are in the thick of creating something it is easily overlooked.

Remember the old get down low to make things look big camera trick A friend of mine was in a movie and although he is good looking (for a guy anyhow) hes a bleedin midgit. The camera man got down low and he looked 10 feet tall and like the killer he was supposed to portray.

DONT BE AFRAID OF EMPTY SPACE! A composition is like a symphony if its crammed full of detail it is boring. You only have creshendos. Create diagonal lines of movement for the eye, use perspective, stress motion and emotion. Play with different angles and poses. Ask yourself what you really want to say. Make lots of little thumbnail sketches for yourself then pick a direction that turns you on.

go get em tiger :thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Ah thanks guys!!!:thumbsup:

Great advice Kanga. That's what I'll be doing! Phew, panic was creepin' up my spine for sure!!!

BlackDidThis, it's a lot to take into consideration. It sounds like a very good idea to do the entangled one. Will definitely look into that. But stretching them over the entire screen is too much I think. Thanks for the great tips, it must have taken a while to get all that written down.
I'll read over it a couple of times to make sure.

[BlackDidThis]

BlackDidThis, it's a lot to take into consideration. It sounds like a very good idea to do the entangled one. Will definitely look into that. But stretching them over the entire screen is too much I think. Thanks for the great tips, it must have taken a while to get all that written down.
I'll read over it a couple of times to make sure.Mmm well I hadn't really meant the WHOLE layout.. I was more reffering to the couple dominating it (So as for you to do your best to have them in the front plane).

The better example I can give are from a variaty of Boris Valejio's works...
I recall from earlier so many that I was SURE the figure was oversized and covering the WHOLE scene... which later I had the chance to restudy (when I grew to be a great fan of his) to notice that actually the images were around one tenth of the whole coverage.
It's a big game of light and shadow at the end.

I hope that your getting things resolved on your part!


Black

[Virtuoso]

Hi jan -mark.......Looking for your next move.....I like the suggestions above,really construtive......My thing is alway Forced perspective....it's almost like a magic wand.....Best to you as you move forward.....:arteest:

[jmBoekestein]

BlackDidThis,
Thanks man! I get it, totally agree with you. I actually was trying to get them predominantly in view. I'll need to doodle on it until I find a balance. The aspectratio is very powerful I think, so I'm sticking with it. (googling for Boris right as I type!!!).

Virtuoso, could you explain what Forced perspective means. I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I just make something and hope for the best. Thanks for helping me out anyway, maybe a search will turn up something.

Thanks all!!!

[Virtuoso]

Hi jan-mark......let me try to explain best I can.........

It does not have to be in a camera view,you could be In your perspective view..........For example..... You can have two objects that really are fairely close together.....Object "A" is slightly in the background,and object B is a little closer in the foreground......Now when you select Object A and you pan out slightly with the field of view button depending on your program.......Now with the zoom tool you zoom in slightly,so that both objects are still in frame.......using this method object B will approah the foreground much faster than Object A........................... Thus increasing it's size visually......and if you want more of a varience just repeat that step again zooming in,until you are happy.....It will give you an illusion of distance that they are closer,or that they are quite different in size.......You need to keep panning out and zooming in.lots of experiment and tweaking to get your needed look.....

It's very touchey,the slightest little movement of the view can be altered dramatically....

It's tough to describe actually.......But I hope this helps somewhat.....Seeing you soon,good luck,any questions beyond this just ask away.....:arteest:

[jmBoekestein]

I get it!

Thanks a lot! I'll definitely try that, also gives me the idea to build crude geometry and use them as stand-ins to build a compostion in a 2d/3d hybrid method. Gives me a chance to actually take more angles on it than expected. It does indeed sound tricky, but I can always switch to an orthogonal viewport and move the camera object, 3dsmax is touchy in that manner.

Thank you!:D

[Virtuoso]

Anytime...it is tricky jan-mark........But can work magic in the end...it's really trial and error......I'll be watching for more......go strong!:arteest:

[Mordalles]

cant wait to see the modelling. the dragon at the moment looks more like a dinosaur, but i guess youre gonna still add some details. reall cant wait to see the progress.

[jmBoekestein]

I was going more for a lizzard feel on the dragon, you can't see the wings yet, that makes a difference I think. It's also a kind of tribute to the artist who made The Mercenary comics. He draws at real size with oils and ecoline, it's amazing stuff. The dragons he draws are really awsome and look as if they decend from some sort of pantherish lizzard. But I'll do my best to reduce the dino look.:)

[bealobo]

Hi, I didn´t drop by yet... shame on me!

but well, I like the story, in fact I like the images telling stories, I think I prefer that to a direct thing. Anyway, I can´t help you much on the composition and so, but I think all those things that have been said are of great help (to me too).
Your sketch looks pretty nice.
I can´t wait to see more.

[jmBoekestein]

Gracias Beatriz:D .

Can't say much more in Spanish just yet(I forgot how:) ). Maybe I'll turn up a nice extra sketch tonight, not a lot of time today but who knows.

C Ya.

[DaddyMack]

. Maybe I'll turn up a nice extra sketch tonight, not a lot of time today but who knows.

C Ya.

Good luck good sir...
I wanna see where you're heading

[aliasali]

hmm,nice! must wait too see the models!
good luck,mate,

[SoniaNotRed]

Well, I was going to say it was just a matter of moving the characters to the left end and flipping the lizzard to the right but I see you already have all the help you need, hehe!
I promise not to take so long the next time!:p

[WimH]

Hey Duthie Ik ben een belg maar we spreken dezelfde suprieure taal. Je verhaal is echt goed. Ik kan niet wachten tot je concept helemaal is uitgewerkt.

[Sylanya]

Dang! Your story is just as thought out as mine! I love it! Very great concept, and love it all! Can't wait to see more!

(Way more excalmation marks than I usually use) :shrug:

[jmBoekestein]

Wow, thanks.

In a few days I can spend a lot more time on it. And start modelling soon I hope!:)

[alex.h.]

waiting for some great modeling from you jm, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Larsen]

Man you gotta find some time to work on your project, we're waiting for you, hope you'll get something soon :bounce:

[jmBoekestein]

Tonight's for studying after tomorrow I can work on it. And after that, mwahahahaaa, I'll only need to go to school for a couple of days.

[Lilie]

Just went through your thread and i must admit it's a pretty neat idea you have there. :)

I fear i cannot add more to the suggestions they already gave you, wish i could..

Anyway, throwing the good luck ball right back at you, and will be watching your thread. :)

[jmBoekestein]

In regards to the dragon, I've bumped into an issue. Is it not allowed to make it look too much like the dragons in this website >>link (http://www.segrelles.com/works/illustrations.htm)<<. This guy's influenced me alot with his comic.

And does my dragon look too much like it right now?

[Lilie]

Maybe a little i'm afraid... :\ But you can still add more details to it's head, change a little it's bone structure and other things like that. So you can keep your first idea of the dragon not so fantasy-cliché-like but make it different from the ones in that link.

I'm sure you can find a way to pull it off. :)

[alex.h.]

hi jm , waiting for some modeling and a dragon is a dragon so make your dragon,
sounds weird but i think you now what i meen. see you mate and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
got to go, work.

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks, I was afraid of that.

It was so long since I had looked at them. But it suddenly struck me that he's made dragons like that. I luckily allready have loads of ideas to change him into my own style though. I think I'll indeed pull it off. The details were going to be entirely different anyway.

Ah well, :shrug:. Back to the kitchen, I smell something burning.

Alex.h., you're right! No more fidgeting. Thanks man!

[BlackDidThis]

J-M;

I get your point.. and due to copywright issues they do not allow images that look identical to something published earlier.
But from how I read it.. as long as you don't go on and draw something directly from the mercenary... I believe you should be on the safe side. The forum is full of entries that ressemble other creations.

I would respect the part that you would like to have the idea completely your own, shall you wish to. But for as far as the dragon goes, I 'm not too sure you would have been in the danger-zone.



Good luck there!

Black

[Rudeone]

Hiya JM, looks like you ran into some sort of similar issues as I did with those SW-like kids.
Shouldn't be a problem though as long as you don't copy it and I know you won't.
There's nothing wrong with getting influenced by other artists and I don't think your dragon looked much like those in the link, so no problems there (as you know, in my case it was slightly different), just go for it!:thumbsup:

Looking forward to see some updates, c ya

[jmBoekestein]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1112375961_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1112375961_large.jpg)

Felt I was walking into my own trap. So I just went ahead and roughed out the head of the dragon a bit. Without colours it's a bit difficult to judge but I think this is close to final.

[Squibbit]

yep dats cool , now model it :wip::D

[WimH]

Hey boekstein. Kan je me dat gedoe met die shaders eens int nederlands uitleggen m'n eng is nog al crappy. Thanks for the good advise

En hoe zet ge de link van uw thread bij uw bericht?

[Lilie]

Yups, looks great that way with those details! :bounce:

And i'll follow Squibbit on the line: ''Now model it!'' :D

[jmBoekestein]

gees...:rolleyes:...I wish, drawing wings now and trying to render something else atm. I almost feel important with all these tasks on my computer! lol.

[Atwooki]

Lovely story you've got there, Jan-Mark :)
I know great things are going to espurge themselves upon us from your thread/head, and looking forward to all the updates, too! Sketch looks cool ;)

Chris

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks Chris,

I just need to get htese concepts largely worked out and I can get to modelling. I'm really looking forward to it.

alt-tab to painter now...

[Virtuoso]

Good luck jan....looking forward to 3D launch.......:arteest:

[CoreyArtE]

Sweet dino's. Cant wait to see how you put it all together.

[pushav]

I like that sketch of that woman. Keep it up. I cant wait to see more.

[jmBoekestein]

Well this is as far as I got with the dragon body, had some filetrouble in max(still not fixed).
I'll finish it tomorrow! Thanks for the support:thumbsup:

image removed, look a couple down for the dragon. No sense in wasting screen space.:wise:

[bealobo]

hey!
I can´t wait to the modelling, this dragon is looking great.
concerning on the dragon-like issues and so, I don´t think you have to bother because I can see it is an influence to you, but all the artists have got influences, and you´re adding details to change it and you´re not copying it, that I think it´s the issue in the rules.

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks Bealobo, I'm working on the update right now. I feel confident now that I've worked out more details, it'll be more fantasy in the details than Vicente Segrelles' works. He is an utter mimetist in just about anything. Which is good imo, but I want something weirder.

More sketches during the weekend! And then...modelling...:twisted:

[jmBoekestein]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1112447415_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6169/6169_1112447415_large.jpg)

This is the dragon that the initial antagonist rides. It will be a looming presence with eerie light on it. Very close to final if not final.

I still need to piece together the final idea, so I'm going to draw up concepts during the day and figure out a style for both human and beast/humanoid.

[johnny3d]

you idea is good i like. :thumbsup:

[gra7]

cool sketch..

waiting to see the 3d !! c ya !

[Larsen]

Oh man, the design is fabulous, i really like the dragon, those wings and musculatures gives him a really strong character ! :buttrock:

alt-tab to your 3D software now !:twisted:

[pixeltroll2005]

Great sketches. Looking forward to seeing some models. Good Luck!

[BlackDidThis]

Thats a FANTASTIC idea!!! Infact when you think of it's similarity to the original version, it is hard to figure out why we didn't see so many versions of these all around!:thumbsup:

In the long run, not having as flexible wings as the bats; these guys won't be as able to use their arms and ha,s like normal arms and hands...
It's a good thing they have the riders around to take care of them :bounce:

It's just PERFECT


MODEL! :wip:

:)

[UK3D]

Like everyone else love the sketches can't wait to see the voyage into 3D. Looks like it's going to be a muscular feast. Where are you going to start? :thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

johnny 3d, thanks, your avatar kicks ass! tan comico!:D(su avatar) no ablo espanol mucho.:shrug:

gra7&pixeltroll, first sketching the stuff I need clear, then 3d. Comin' up:)

cipher, thx man! I just hope I won't let you down, and myself Glad you like it, was imagining big cats with it, for the srtength in them. Gonna be fun lighting this one.:thumbsup:

Black, cool! you saw, he looked a bit strong so I gave him the fused wingbones. Could happen, then it should happen.:shrug:I'll try not to disappoint you!:thumbsup:

UK3D, well I'm not sure actually. I was thinking about trying some things with environment modelling. I was hoping to have the time to make an HDR rendering of the environment and use it for lighting. But those suckers take at least a day to render I presume. I want it in a forest but I have X-Frog, pretty good plant plug-in. Must also experiment with the atmospherics.:)

[pushav]

that would be cool if you take that female that you was working on and show her riding on top of the dragon with that titanic "i am king of the wrold pose" with her arms spread apart having fun. Kind of like that movie the never ending story. lol i know that movie takes everyone wayback. lol.

[dmonk]

Your Last concept sketch looks great. I like the wings and the claw at the hand part. The small hind legs and massive arms really make it look powerful and the way you've designed the wings almost gives them an amphibious feel.

[jmBoekestein]

I was kind of aiming for that out of placce on land and waiting for my master look. I'm glad it comes across!
Thanks!:D

[Squibbit]

yea i like the musclework on that beast too :thumbsup:

[PeterPuppet]

nice sketches, like´em. Good luck!

[Mordalles]

now that is what i call a dragon! great work. doent look like a dino at all anymore! :)

[DaddyMack]

Hi again jmBoekestein you tease...
You've clearly put a great deal of effort into refining this beast and concept and I dig the overbearing strength you're character conveys...Your 2d visualisation ability is most enviable, as is your sense of humour and humility... Respect ...keep it up mate;)

We all itch to see some polys from your desk...

Alt-Tab

[jmBoekestein]

Dont' make me blush daddy-O-,!

[ace4016]

Your drawings look good; the dragon stopped looking like dinosaur and looks like a dragon. Hope you start modeling soon.

[Goro]

your latest update on the dragon looks awesome!
Think it would be better if you place the human characters a bit more to the right...and maybe scale the dragon a bit more. It would look more dynamic I guess.
Looking forward to your next update

[jmBoekestein]

Thanks Goro, I was fiddling with that. I'll need to work hard on the emotions portrayed though. Maybe I took the wrong scene for it. But maybe not, :curious:, Maybe if I can symbolise through other things and overlay the actual story on a layer hardly visible.:shrug:

Ace4016, thanks. Worked out in the end.

[Hooch]

man your beast looks amazing, can't wait to see your 3d model! :eek:

Best of luck mate. :buttrock:

[mireneye]

Your sketching is progressing well. Im eagearly awaiting to see your next steps.

[alex.h.]

great dragon jm, waiting for 3d now, see you mate and :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[artjunkie]

Hey, jm... sorry I haven't posted here yet, but I've been kinda waiting for more updates. I know, I know... school can be killer at times, and computer/internet problems, and real life gets in the way sometimes, and that damn zombie rat who hides in the back of my cupboard WON'T GIVE ME A MOMENT'S PEACE WITH IT'S CONSTANT GNAWING!!! (ahem)... er, so anyway...

The dragon looks great (I love dragons), as do the characters. I'd like to see you do some composition sketches to get a nice dramatic relationship between the creature and the characters (just a thought). Very curious to see the 3D version of the dragon.

Waiting for more updates... I'll be watching! Cheers!

my 2D entry:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222438

[Zethriel]

I really like your idea and the sketch is going to be interesting.
Good luck!!

[SoniaNotRed]

That dragon is looking weird in the most cool kind of way! :thumbsup:
I'm looking forward for the next dimension!

[TheFirstAngel]

fantastic sketch mate. looking forward to your modeling :) keep it up!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jmBoekestein]

Sacha, thx man! :D Will do!!!

SoniaNotRed, :curious:, you hate it don't you...admit it why don't you...:cry:

Zethriel thank you!

artjunkie, no worries mate! I'm going to try and do those thumbnails as suggested and then work some of them out. Maybe a drastic change could do me good:shrug:. I certainly will make some sketches though. Thx for your time!:thumbsup:

alex.h., it's comin', it's comin'! :wip:I want to work everything out so I can model without getting lost, I tend to confuse myself a lot. :)I see no other way for it. Tanks again!

mireneye thank you!

hooch, Thankee, 3d is on the hold till everything is figured out. But I can't wait myself!:)

[overcontrast]

wow that is good... amazing design on the dragon like creature man... i really like the musculer limbs, very interesting... cant wait to c ur modleing man... this is most definitly one one creazy CG challange! and i'm loving it!!
btw thanx for your great help.... c ya around mate.. and best of luck

[Kid-Mesh]

Very nice drawing man! That is going to look wicked modeled. Good luck :thumbsup: and um...hurry up cause I want to see it!

[Kanga]

So far looking good!

Keep em a comin Cisko :thumbsup:

[bealobo]

I tell you, I CANNOT wait for the modeling! is looking great!

[Slav]

interesting sketches ill be looking for more updates!

[SoniaNotRed]

Er... I meant it looks cool because it's strange, unusual - original. The words just went right out of my mouth when I saw it "Weird! That's so cool!"

For me, original rocks! :buttrock:

(I really got to stop typing fast messages. I always mess up everything. :D )

[jmBoekestein]

I have the same problem, it's starting to annoy me. Sometimes I read back my own post and feel like I'm reading a telegram accidentally garbled. Blast!!! But thanks though, :Djust teasing.:D

[blackdragoncg]

Nice styles bro....I for one am waiting with baited breath for the transition to the realm of 3D here.... Now throw a dog a bone will ya.... lets see some of the fruits of your labour here...

Sweet as dude :thumbsup:

[alex.h.]

go jm, go jm, go jm, want a 3d update. keep going mate and see you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Claireabella]

Am looking forward to seeing your WIP's........... good luck! :) Claireabella

[SoniaNotRed]

So... Where is your update? :)

[bealobo]

hahhahah, Sonia! that is funny.
Come on JM, show us more!

[eddieellis]

come on start with the modelling already ..... lol

[Larsen]

So we must forcing the update....ok...

Update JanMark ! Update :banghead: :banghead:

:scream:

[jmBoekestein]

A lil impatient heh?:curious:

...

I just found out I need professional help, I don't feel like it.:rolleyes:

[DaddyMack]

A lil impatient heh?:curious:

...

I just found out I need professional help, I don't feel like it.:rolleyes:

Never mind JM we all need professional help sometimes, it's undervalued by our society.. ...So I hurt a few toys, I'm ok with that, more concerning is the fact that we are spending the better part of our time talking (typing) to imaginary entities, posting pretty pictures in the hope that we can get some attention from said imaginary entities, all the while the 'real' world will wizz by and be further evolved than us a month later when we're spat out by the competition...The logic defies me...yet here I am still typing...reading...and posting...just like you...Bent is as bent does...Fear not good sir, 3d or not We'll all still respect you highly, but we'll still harass your ass until you go public with the rest of your process...:curious:

kind regards
an imaginary friend:wavey:

[jmBoekestein]

I budge...I'll just have to resort to prozac and imaginary friends then....


The back of my head started to itch anyway...Update soon I hope.:)

[shtl]

yaouch com'on

your concept ready, sketch are cool... let's polygonize !
WE'RE WAITING YA!:)

[BlackDidThis]

Proffessional help?



I'm a proffessional; I mean I have earned money haven't I?

So jan, how can I help you?


:p

[jmBoekestein]

I'm in a terrible need of a vacation actually...:)Could fill in for me 'till I get back?

I seem to have to go to a rehab clinic in the bahamas.:)

[DaddyMack]

I seem to have to go to a rehab clinic in the bahamas.:)

Ouch! my heart goes out to ya man...

[bealobo]

hey JM, cheer up!

:)
you´re doing great but if you don´t feel like, don´t put pressure on you, it´s a matter of "inspiration", it´s a challenge and it´s nothing important.
anyway I think you´re doing great and of course, would like to see it finished :thumbsup:

[paperclip]

No updates in a while, Jan-mark! Are you slacking?

shame upon you....
looking good so far. Come on, show us how your modeling is going!
.....please?
theresa.

[BlackDidThis]

I'm in a terrible need of a vacation actually...:)Could fill in for me 'till I get back?

I seem to have to go to a rehab clinic in the bahamas.:)Gladly Jan.. is that gonna help?

Oh but wait.. I am off to my vacation til Wednesday..
If thats not too late for you; instead of coming here I'll just travel a bit more to your place on my return :)

Don't stress yourself. Model when ever you want to. I am sure what you will bring out will be terrific. IT is better you start on your own terms.

Good luck, and message me the details of what I have to do when taking your place! :)

Black

[LadyMedusa]

Nice one so far. I'm looking forward for the colors :)

[Kanga]

(pling) We are here to harass you gently back to health Jan_Mark.(pling)

NOW PULL YA BLEEDIN FINGER OUT SON AND GET YER ASS INTO GEAR BEFORE I COME OVER THERE AN RAM YOUR TEETH SO FAR DOWN YOUR THROAT YOU WILL HAVE TO STICK A TOOTHBRUSH UP YER JACKSIE TO CLEAN EM!
(pling)

Just kidding,.. got a 'cap lock key' for christmas and still playing with it.

[nix0r]

lol.. looking at the last pages of this thread I'm able to figure 2 conclusions :

1 - Your sketch looks very cool :), can't wait till u start modeling ^^

and 2 - your fanboys are INSANE.. I'm not going to quote Kanga since his post is right above me.. but I think everyone who has subscribed to this thread needs help.. oh wait, did I just subscribe myself?? darn! ;)

[Kanga]

I hit a problem with the composition and a bit of modelling inbetween helps ease that a bit. You seem to have a pretty good idea about the players in your theatre if you start on em it will give your mind a bit of freedom to play with the comp.

I am really trying hard not to meddle.
no Im not
yes I am
no,......

Damn gonna go smoke a few banana peels :thumbsup: .

[TheFirstAngel]

Uhm... i decently might ask... uhm... WHEN COMES THE UPDATE!!!
Come on mate, go go go! bahamas shall be deserved :twisted: first: work! hehehe....
jk. but... would be nice to c ya moving on....
cheers

[jmBoekestein]

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/6271/metodaycaught9he.jpg

...

Good morning...


...

[Kanga]

You look good in the morning Jan-Mark :thumbsup:

You should see my wrinkles!

[jmBoekestein]

Ahhh, the joys of youth...:)...


CAN SOMEONE PLEASE UNTIE ME....ANYBODY?

[LadyMedusa]

I'm looking forward to the next step

[SoniaNotRed]

*slashes bonds with big sword*
There, my friend, you are free!

edit - I see you haven't recovered from your last encounter with Squibbit :D

[THE Wizard]

Hmmm, a dragon... Now where have I seen one before, I realy can't recall...:)

I love him, and not to mention that I adore Queen of Hearts... Are they single?!:twisted:

[jmBoekestein]

When I asked the one on the left started moving rather nervously, maybe I should've ignored the huge dagger, but it didn't seem wise at the time.:) Thx.

Working on updates yes...:rolleyes:...

Slow but progressing...:surprised

[punklover]

awsome creature you got there ,i can't wait to see more ,good continuation :)

[DaddyMack]

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/6271/metodaycaught9he.jpg

...

Good morning...


...

Hahaah, made my morning! Right back at ya;)

Hi JM, Haven't seen you for awhile, I gotta say I really like the new look man!
Keep the personal growth going mate:thumbsup:

:wavey:

[W-I-L]

i like the ehad on the beast... nice stuff.

[fooxoo]

Neat sketches, I like your females, very sexy and real! Good luck! :D Neat concept!

[LadyMedusa]

Have you made any progress yet?
I think many people are wating anxiously for an update.

[BlackDidThis]

you THINK?! :rolleyes:

Jan-Mark, is everything okay? It has been a while...

[jmBoekestein]

Yeah I'm fine. Thanks!:)

I had intended to update but now I'm swamped with school work for a week. And some other project has popped up. But I guess I owe as much as a sketchy mock-up, whatever I get out of my doodles I'll upload. At least there'll be something.:arteest:

I just got sidetracked, sorry!:D

[blakbird]

There is a wood named "eons" that we use in our carpentry branch of the company I work for. ... Anyway.

What do you plan for winged beast?

[pushav]

Lol it looks like your are procrastinating like me. :thumbsup:

I know that you have your picture done. You are just going for the shock and awe factor.

I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Lystmaler]

So when will this thing be uppdated?

1'st of May is right arounf the corner, it would be nice to have something decent done by that time.

[jmBoekestein]

I simply don't and didn't have any time this week. But I hope to get something done next week. Screw the concept art. I'm gonna doodle in ZBrush maybe to catch up some lost time and call that concept work :D.

Who knows?:shrug:Maybe I'll finish something. Gotta get some shut-eye.

[Kanga]

You can do it man!
with you all the way :thumbsup:

[DaddyMack]

You can do it man!
with you all the way :thumbsup:

If imaginary friends:wavey: still count JM, consider me with you all the way too mate...

Hey rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat...

[jmBoekestein]

OK OK OK!!!

:)

...I'm going to fiddle in either ZBrush or first sketch something today, "am going for sketchy and a loose feel" on this challenge!

[don't worry, I have cunning plan]

[DaddyMack]

Yaaay...

I'm not sure if I mentioned that I enjoy the suspense in your thread...

I really enjoy the element of suspense in here JM...

Now I know I mentioned it...

Good luck mate!

[Lilie]

Get back to work on it Jan-Mark! I want to see your dragon in 3D! :D

[Lystmaler]

How's the progress?

[jmBoekestein]

fine...:rolleyes:...yeah



...



sure...I mean...yeah

[ace4016]

fine...:rolleyes:...yeah



...



sure...I mean...yeah

lol, either your that fast, or your not going to finish.

[paperclip]

Jan-mark....no updates!?

There are only 8 days left, you know!

[LadyMedusa]

...I'm going to fiddle in either ZBrush or first sketch something today, "am going for sketchy and a loose feel" on this challenge!

[don't worry, I have cunning plan]
erm..did you forget that?

[jmBoekestein]

I told you I had a plan...

but if you don't tell anyyone I'll give you a hint...:deal:...


it's a surprise attack, after everybody finishes, I will jump on one of the winners in a dark alley and hit them with a blunt object untill they are decapacitated. Gathering necessary info will now be easy since they lying on the floor twitching and mumbling strange foreign words.Well...you get the point...


:DJust donot inform the authorities, or your wacom's next...:twisted:

[userBrian]

My poetry on squibbit's progress goes in triplicate here...ha lol.

[SoniaNotRed]

NO!!! Not the Wacom!!

(Aw, man!... I was really curious about that dragon...)

[Lystmaler]

I liked the concept.

[jmBoekestein]

Well, as for that matter. I think I might complete it anyway! :) It's good practice and I've cooked up enough ideas allready to make it work. :thumbsup: Thanks for the support people!!! It's most certainly appreciated!:D

[BlackDidThis]

Wooow! So you are going for it?!!

Thats just great Jan-Mark.. I have to say that I had times that I had to do entries simiallar in just 2 days or so.. so it is always possible. I just hope for you to be able to render things out to the res they asked us to go for as well.

What can I say?

Good luck and I am so glad that you changed your mind.. I would love to see that steed!


Black

[bealobo]

yeah!
surprise attack is definately a good plan!

[jmBoekestein]

Uhm...:)...When was the closing date again?:D...'cause I uhm...*

[Lilie]

Well well, it's good to know that you plan to finish it anyway Jan-Mark! I,d love to see you work on this and see the progress. Though you are hopeless, asking this question about the deadline... http://img192.echo.cx/img192/4807/10giggle9og.gif

[jmBoekestein]

I guess I can always go into one of my blind frenzies, and skip a night or two. I built a bed, more for fun really :), maybe I should go with the cliche ending I wrote, it does have drama. :surprised

Here's the thingie rendered out, but no textures, just shaders and some noise slapped on quick. :wise: don't worry, I've got it all under control.

Ah well, focused practice is as good as it gets. :thumbsup:
http://img248.echo.cx/img248/4743/tutdesperation8bit0km.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img248.echo.cx/img248/954/tutdesperationexpc3ib.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Lilie]

Looks comfortable! :D

I have nothing much to say about it, other than maybe the columns of the bed may not lok so good together.. Large ones and small ones. I think you should make the ones tothe right (right of the image) a little smaller in width so they would fit the others a little better. ;)

[DaddyMack]

I never doubted for a second;)... Thanks for the great suspenseful ride here JMB!:thumbsup: good luck mate...

[jmBoekestein]

lol, thx. What else we got obsessive compulsive behavior for. :D Too bad I can't paint, I'd do a 2d piece.

[jmBoekestein]

OK, so like this is my sketch...:rolleyes:think I should do a paint over nad submit as final concepot or does a high res count too. :Dedit: meant low res...:rolleyes:

http://img68.echo.cx/img68/8572/desperation16nv.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[jmBoekestein]

Well, a last twist in...:D...

http://img256.echo.cx/img256/5416/roomam57lc.jpg
(http://img256.echo.cx/img256/5416/roomam57lc.jpg)

[BlackDidThis]

Hey at least you tried eh? It was a brave attempt!

The scene you built looks very good. And had you accomplished it all in this short a period I guess you would end up lacking some of the quality you would be presenting anyways!


Good luck with the next time Jan-Mark!


Black

[jmBoekestein]

thx black! I'll be sure to enter then! :thumbsup:It's too muuch fun to pass on.

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