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igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 06:10 AM
igor tkac has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6153)

Latest Update: Final Image: Tokyo Taxi

http://www.igorstshirts.com/temp/tokyo-taxi-final-press.jpg
Thanks to all who supported my thread!

igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 06:18 AM
http://www.igorstshirts.com/temp/copbot3.jpgI am better at sketching with vectors...

igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 06:23 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111562565_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111562565_large.jpg)

I'm gussing a servant is not mistreated like a slave so I figure it to be a droid... Perhaps driving a human somewhere.

igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 07:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111610400_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111610400_large.jpg)

I'm not much of a painter... More draftsman style, I guess. Since concept will be judged over execution, I might do a "boring" side view. A droid driving it's master in an enclosed futuristic motorcycle, during a rainstorm, while she(the master) sleeps.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 07:42 PM
no replies?? this looks like an excellent concept,theres no rule that u have to paint,maybe urs will stand out more cos its not,which is a good thing!!!

gud luck!!

igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 08:02 PM
Thanks noob!

I'll try to have the back wheel done by later today.

igorstshirts
03-24-2005, 04:51 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111643490_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111643490_large.jpg)

I color at the same time as I draw, so... I'm not sure what milestone to put these in. Coloring as I go helps me find and define form which dictates my line art. I use default colors at first to work quick. Changing them later to fit within My color scheme should be a snap as all my overlayed transparencies are tinted with black. Thanks!

MechaHateChimp
03-24-2005, 06:18 AM
Awesome, awesome work Ig. I'll be honest, its looking at how far you have come with your work that keeps me motivated more than anything. Cant wait to see this finished. Stay up playa!

monsitj
03-24-2005, 06:48 AM
wow! never seen vector art in challenge before! your work will come out very interesting ! more update ! please!

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 09:38 AM
that looks amazing!

OKMER
03-24-2005, 09:42 AM
Looks great and indeed the vector style looks great,it's differenent and so innovating.i was thinking myself to do some vector also maybe,don't know yet.because I think it's really amusing to create formes just like they come to ya head directly.
Anyway,I'm really curious of the final result and wish you all the luck and fun in this contest!!!

nebezial
03-24-2005, 11:57 AM
Aiyee VECTOR ART?? dude all i can say is kudos this sure looks like it is gonna kick ass :applause:

igorstshirts
03-24-2005, 08:20 PM
Thanks you guys, seriously keeps me motivated. Stay tuned.

igorstshirts
03-25-2005, 04:11 AM
Some parts are off... Saving for the final.

igorstshirts
03-25-2005, 04:32 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111728747_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111728747_large.jpg)

Super anime style!!!

Velinov
03-25-2005, 07:46 AM
Nice!!! Great in proof of your vector skills. As far as I have seen such works I never so such freedom of technicue, almoust like raster style. I'll keep watching your thread.


MY "Master and servant" thread (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=221933)

www.velinov.com (http://www.velinov.com/)

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:20 AM
OMG this is gonna ownz!

NOOB!
03-25-2005, 08:39 AM
man ur vector looks so realistic,looking great!!!

igorstshirts
03-25-2005, 07:23 PM
Thanks again you guys. I'll have an update later tonight. Now I'm off to check out you guys' works.

igorstshirts
03-26-2005, 12:13 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111799582_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111799582_large.jpg)

The front is flowin' for me... I'll come back to the servant later. Thanks!
P.S. The windows are looking a little 80's airbrush illustrationy still. Will fix.

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 04:08 PM
i think the windows looks fine,excellent job!

igorstshirts
03-26-2005, 08:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111872286_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111872286_large.jpg)

Need to make the back wheel next, finish the servant... Start the master and on to the enviro. Thanks!

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 08:26 PM
ur one of the best vector artists i have come across,i mean it looks almost 3d

more more!!

igorstshirts
03-26-2005, 08:29 PM
Dang Noob!.... Thanks. Looks like you're my number one fan.:)

ArtisticVisions
03-26-2005, 08:37 PM
Excellent design; I don't think I've seen vector artwork before in the Challenges (there's gotta be a first sometime, right? :D ). I can already till this is going to be an interesting entry.

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 08:39 PM
heh..naw!! i just like things that are different,i guess people don't appreciate anything other than painted stuff in this challenge.i'm just open to everything.

i wish u the best of luck,not only in the challenge,but everything after.

igorstshirts
03-26-2005, 09:39 PM
Artisticvisions wrote:
I don't think I've seen vector artwork before in the Challenges.

Heh, heh, look in the 3D section! Thanks again guys.

ArtisticVisions
03-27-2005, 12:37 AM
Heh, heh, look in the 3D section! Thanks again guys.
... Ha-ha. :rolleyes: I was refering to the 2D Challenge.

Rhenia
03-27-2005, 12:56 AM
Wow Im lovin ur skillz....keep it up

igorstshirts
03-27-2005, 06:50 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111909840_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111909840_large.jpg)

Needs work still. Maybe a little too much though.

ninox
03-27-2005, 07:05 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: awesome.
That's a very good 2d entry.
I'll keep 2 eyes on your thread.
You've done a very good job so far.
Keep it up and have fun.

ninOx

eclipson
03-27-2005, 07:09 AM
this is gonna get really really cool :twisted: :bounce: , love the artwork man, very much, i'd love to see more,

GoodLux!!:thumbsup:

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 11:46 AM
great update!

igorstshirts
03-28-2005, 06:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111995558_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1111995558_large.jpg)

This is sorta the idea... This needs to be drafted up at three-quarter view now... I think. I'm not sure I'm up for that one... I'll have to think about it for a minute.

igorstshirts
03-28-2005, 06:43 AM
OOOOOh and thanks again you guys! I'm deep in thought about this one, I'll go sheck out your threads now.

igorstshirts
03-29-2005, 05:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1112078725_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1112078725_large.jpg)

Since there is good time left... I guess I will do this as a three quarter view.

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 06:50 AM
the last 2 updates are sick! however,i don't think website tags are allowed.

igorstshirts
03-29-2005, 10:52 PM
Thanks NOOB!
I don't think any of My images are being hosted anywhere else... Am I missing something?

Arc80
03-29-2005, 11:01 PM
Nice work dude. I love the vehicle design. Very nice technical approach to it. Good use of a vector base program. I am impress!!!

Goodluck,
Archie

ChristianHammer
03-29-2005, 11:03 PM
I like working in vectors it is sooo clean! Looking real good...

igorstshirts
03-29-2005, 11:20 PM
Thanks alot everyone. I should have an update soon.

MechaHateChimp
04-02-2005, 07:23 PM
Damn son! Been busy?!?!?!

Jesus ig, youre going off! Excellent work bro, probably some of the best work Ive seen you do. Keep going!

Agent-Orange
04-02-2005, 07:30 PM
First off,


Let me give you mad props on the Vector Art.!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I am having trouble understanding your concept idea.

Are you just going with the flow or have you just not reveled it yet???

I will be keeping an eye on this thread.

OrO
04-02-2005, 07:30 PM
woooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww

jamihn
04-13-2005, 04:42 AM
Sexy vectors! Please tell us more about your concept. It's deadly cool looking. Clean and shiny. The draftsmanship is excellent. :bounce:

igorstshirts
04-13-2005, 08:03 PM
Thanks alot for the support you guys. I know it looks like the Master and servant theme isn't real defined at this point but it will be there... Stay tuned.... I've got some more stuff on the way.

NOOB!
04-13-2005, 08:19 PM
glad to hear ur still in!

igorstshirts
04-14-2005, 06:59 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113461979_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113461979_large.jpg)

Getting a feel for my color scheme...

NOOB!
04-14-2005, 08:33 AM
looks excellent!

magikmann
04-15-2005, 10:11 AM
just thought i'd voice my opinion too. my compliments. this is really nice!

what program/application are you using to achieve this look?

arkinet
04-15-2005, 04:02 PM
looks great, u achieved that poster-like feel...one thing, that wndshield @ the rear of the mech. driver looks odd to me, i mean personally, but its just my thought... also, the girl looks too realistic, dont be offended, but is that a picture?... overall, its looking great!

igorstshirts
04-15-2005, 07:25 PM
Hey... Thanks you guys... No worries, please voice your opinions, I'm a big boy and I can take 'em! This is far from done you guys. My final goal is to make this more realistic and less illustrationy... Too 80's looking atm. The woman is a just a place holder so you guys can see where I'm going with this. The droid as well as the bike still need more work. The final will be done in Aftereffects to create a more stylized, realistic, atmosphere.Cheers!

magikkman... I am using CorelDraw12. Later!

igorstshirts
04-19-2005, 07:41 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113896485_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113896485_large.jpg)

Pretty happy as a rough... Now I can get in here and have some fun!

PeterSanitra
04-19-2005, 09:42 AM
hehe, robis si tu stoho riadnu reklamu :thumbsup:

igorstshirts
04-19-2005, 08:23 PM
Yeah... I guess I am huh? Oh well, everyone has an art department, mine is me. Later!

NOOB!
04-19-2005, 09:36 PM
the face looks great igor!

igorstshirts
04-20-2005, 06:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113977955_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1113977955_large.jpg)

Thanks NOOB! A little more work done on the woman.

jamihn
04-20-2005, 06:52 AM
I totally want a robot to drive me to work so I can sleep like that. I think I'm seeing your concept a bit more clearly. The technique is excellent. I can't wait to see what comes next. I kind of like the 80's style rendering.

igorstshirts
04-20-2005, 07:04 AM
Thanks Jami... I want a robot that drives me to work too. :)

NOOB!
04-21-2005, 08:41 PM
i'd like one of those vechiles delivered to my house immediatly!!

great work as usaul igor!

arkinet
04-21-2005, 09:13 PM
excellent work igor, i like your style:thumbsup:

igorstshirts
04-22-2005, 03:37 AM
Thanks alot you guys.

One Taxibike being shipped to one Nubian Greene. Please note; Bike does not include woman or droid. Mad assembly required!

Please send a Pay-Pal payment of 236,000 USD. You will receive confirmation upon payment.:)

igorstshirts
04-22-2005, 06:29 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114151392_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114151392_large.jpg)

She still needs work on her foot and pants.

igorstshirts
04-22-2005, 06:54 AM
Animated gifs are fun. Shhhhhhhhh...
http://www.igorstshirts.com/temp/bike-animated.gif

Freefall Alpha
04-22-2005, 08:31 AM
this is amazing stuff! so good to see something so fresh on the forum - i hope you go all out with this anime vector style, I'd love to see some abstract, graphic-based content come in too. love it, i'll be keeping an eye on this puppy!

eliza
04-22-2005, 02:53 PM
Today i had some time to browse around and i'm really fascinated by this drawing

igorstshirts
04-23-2005, 01:34 AM
Freefall,
Thanks alot. Innovative is a compliment for sure... Stay tuned... It will get better!

eliza,
I like the work on your site alot... The CGTalk winner is dope!

Robert Longfield
04-25-2005, 03:03 AM
Awesome style! I am honestly now intigued to try that sometime! Im keeping an eye on this!

igorstshirts
04-26-2005, 08:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114548637_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114548637_large.jpg)

Thanks Robert! Not sure if this is working or not... The face will need more ambient light I think.

mybutterflyiris
04-26-2005, 10:48 PM
This is looking amazing, nice reflections...you have a really unique clean style. good luck and keep posting!

igorstshirts
04-27-2005, 06:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114582520_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114582520_large.jpg)

Okay,
Those are lights on the droid's ass. Not jets. Seeing alot of backpacks in some of you guys' entries gave me the idea to try and put one on my servant to try to make it more servanty... Word?
Anyway... It still needs more work on the pack, hand, shoe/foot, shoulder and upper arm. This pic is getting detailed. I don't think it will yield well under monitor res'. Later!

igorstshirts
04-27-2005, 06:16 AM
Oh, and... Thanks Iris! Glad you like my thread!

igorstshirts
04-28-2005, 08:25 AM
Wrong pic...

igorstshirts
04-28-2005, 08:27 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114676846_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1114676846_large.jpg)

This is getting closer to being done...

NOOB!
04-28-2005, 08:32 AM
damn that looks excellent igor,came a long way,u do me proud hehehe.

truly amazing vectors.!

arkinet
04-29-2005, 08:35 PM
looks great & unique!!!:bounce: :bounce:

igorstshirts
04-29-2005, 08:41 PM
Right on you guys... Thank you. I know that a technical illustration like this gets downplayed alot so I don't expect much as far as the challenge goes. This was a BLAST to make though... And my confidence in tech illy has boosted tons.Thanks again!

eclipson
04-30-2005, 04:27 AM
Thats NEAT!, unique style man, love it! :thumbsup:

dragondragon
05-04-2005, 07:51 AM
Hi Igor. Man, what are you talking about. I think you will win something (if not first place). Remember, they are looking for ideas way out there. And my friend, to me (maybe cause I am a vehicle fanatic as well-see my post if you have the time and you will see what I mean-), this is a way out there idea. Different, fresh, unique. And the style your using, um, I see nothing wrong with it. Actually, kudos to you my friend for doing such an outstanding job with this technical illustration. This type of art can EASLY make it into any type of art book. Ok, got to get to bed. Best to you buddy (fellow vehicle lover-smile). Oh man, what am I doing. Love the bike and robot. Very cool looking-smile. Also, no suggestions, your in own world here. :thumbsup:
Dragon, out.

My Master and Servant 2D enterance:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222625

igorstshirts
05-05-2005, 08:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1115282394_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1115282394_large.jpg)

Small test...
Thanks dragon... We'll see...

NOOB!
05-05-2005, 08:41 AM
whoa! great igor!

marcheen
05-05-2005, 09:03 AM
nice work with the vectors!

igorstshirts
05-12-2005, 06:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1115879826_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1115879826_large.jpg)
Thanks Marcheen!
Might not make it... in.... time.

Belhaven
05-12-2005, 06:47 AM
interesting style. this one has a lot of potential for action and movement, but rightnow, i cant tell if its really moving. maybe offsetting the bike would do the trick? or maybe some perspective so that its either coming into the foreground or into the background...? also, the girl inside the bike is hard to read... might want to clarify her placement. otherwise, i think the bikes design is prety cool. the colors are fitting and the flowers are GERAT. haha, onward ho!

igorstshirts
05-12-2005, 07:00 AM
Yeah... I agree. I'm better at the design elements anyway. Once I figure out my shapes, I sort of lose interest in environment placement and such. I can't change the perspective as it's too late but maybe I can add some foreground and background elements to show motion. Getting nice motion blur on the wheels is proving to be a challenge also.

I will brighten the girl up for more contrast. Thanks.

Arc80
05-12-2005, 07:09 AM
I think you should just add a hint of the background. Foreground, you don't need it. I like the way you are showcasing the characters. Very straight on. Man, i bow to you, because you just gave vector base program a good name, if not, a better showcase of what you can do with it. Oh and definately the design looks SICK :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :buttrock:

cheers

igorstshirts
05-14-2005, 07:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116054882_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116054882_large.jpg)
Right on Arc80...
Getting there?

igorstshirts
05-15-2005, 08:20 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116145225_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116145225_large.jpg)

Almost there...

Arc80
05-15-2005, 04:39 PM
THe background definately works dude. MOre for the eyes to see. Very nicely done :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers

Agent-Orange
05-16-2005, 12:21 AM
Its coming together nicely!!:thumbsup:


Your Vector skills are top notch!!

igorstshirts
05-16-2005, 03:13 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116213199_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116213199_large.jpg)

Thanks! I do think that the background is a little busy and competes with the bike and characters atm. However, The last few elements should seperate it nicely and add a little motion as well as depth... Next stop... The finish line.

PS... Akira was a huge influence on me as a kid and this is sort of my homage to Otomo for inspiring me. Later!

Arc80
05-16-2005, 03:28 AM
LOoks great dude. Okay, just a suggestion for the background, duplicate your background layer and do a motion blur filter, then adjust the opacity of that layer. You'll see, it should push it back and show less details and just give hints of lines. Then have another layer to make it a bit hazy.

I hope this helps a bit dude.

cheers:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

igorstshirts
05-16-2005, 03:34 AM
Yo Arc,
I agree with you on the hazy layer... That's gonna happen for sure. I can't do the motion blur layer as the background objects are too far to blur. (And, I've already tried it).:)

igorstshirts
05-17-2005, 01:03 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116291809_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116291809_large.jpg)

Aaaaalmost there. A few more highlights on the bike, fix homie's shield and brighten up the woman inside. Should do her. Next sub will be my final. Thanks!

Arc80
05-17-2005, 01:07 AM
Yo, very nice work on the background and the foreground element... TIIIGHT. Good call on that bro. I don't know what else you need to put, but just hurry up. Can't wait to see the final image home's. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bounce:

cheers and goodluck

NOOB!
05-17-2005, 09:08 PM
cmon man,this looks excellent!

arkinet
05-17-2005, 09:12 PM
to me looks like you're done... love it dude, now all u need is finish it. Great job!!:thumbsup:

Belhaven
05-17-2005, 09:13 PM
wow, this changed a lot since i last saw it. i can almost feel the speed at which hes riding that thing... nice job man!

marcheen
05-17-2005, 09:14 PM
great work! this is all looking good. now hurry up man!

Marcin

igorstshirts
05-17-2005, 10:04 PM
I'm glad you all like it... I'm going to brighten up the girl inside the bike since this is most about her and the droid relationship. I'm also going to try and add some raindrops to the ground, see if I can pull that off.

Belhaven,
I'm still not as happy with showing the speed as I'd like. Not sure what's missing. I think another vehicle in the opposite lane, moving the opposite direction would set this pic off, but... Must.... Abandon..... Pic....

Thanks again for the few of you who have supported my thread. Later!

digitalhadz
05-18-2005, 12:20 AM
OMG! this is awesome, a vector? wow!! a very unique entry. The style of render, the used of gradient, blur, transparency all this is great. nice technique. I like ur work man, ur my 1st choice.

igorstshirts
05-18-2005, 12:23 AM
Thanks for noticing the techniques digitalhadz! Stay tuned for my final.

SteveV
05-18-2005, 02:07 AM
Nice work mate, I'm a t shirt artist as well, I find myself working in vector more often than not.

igorstshirts
05-18-2005, 02:51 AM
Thanks SteveV,
It is crazy, that I've learned vector illustration from doing silkscreen designs... Funny that you picked up on that. Later!

Edit...
I just looked at the illustration work on your site... NICE!

sgtpepper
05-18-2005, 07:03 AM
hey! this is very nice , original piece. like the master and servant theme you got there .

The way you paint looks very advanced, vector gfx?

anyway your piece looks very nice, if I would add a coment it would be that your background looks a bit to much photo realistic together with the bike. maybe your could tone down the background a bit?
well otherwise itīs good stuff man .

good luck in the challenge.

Ducklator
05-18-2005, 10:49 PM
realy good work!

the colors n' the scenary looks great!

hurry! finish it!

igorstshirts
05-19-2005, 02:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116469112_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6153/6153_1116469112_large.jpg)

Thanks to all who supported my thread!

arkinet
05-19-2005, 02:36 AM
simply amazing... congratulations bro & good luck!!:thumbsup:

igorstshirts
05-19-2005, 05:01 AM
Thanks Ark!
Good luck to you as well!

rwitzsche
05-19-2005, 06:16 AM
Awsome work! Nice to see some vector art! There is so much good work on this site! I'm glad I'm not a judge!

Jezzarts
05-19-2005, 06:25 AM
Wow, nice vectors! I like the concept also... reminds me of my road trips... they only wake up for food!!

igorstshirts
05-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Thanks alot! I had a blast making this...

Arc80
05-20-2005, 06:43 AM
Congratulations dude on a very nice job well done. YOu are the Vector King :applause: :bounce: :applause:

cheers and see you around :buttrock:

bowditch
05-20-2005, 07:20 AM
Very cool vision of the future. Excellent representation of the characters. She is delicate and sleeping peacefully while the robot is portrayed as considerate for the care of his human companion. Great Idea!

Good luck to you
bowditch

Adamos
05-20-2005, 09:52 AM
I mean, excellent interpretation of the whole M+S thing, but you just went for the funky bot and bike design, admit it! :D

Great, tight stuff!

Cheers

igorstshirts
05-20-2005, 06:31 PM
Thanks you guys... Yeah, had to do the funky robot/bike design piece!

bowditch,
Man, thanks for noticing those subtle details. You've just vindicated my painting. Thanks!

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