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dragondragon
03-23-2005, 06:41 AM
Saul D. Orihuela has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6149)

Latest Update: Final Image: Final Coloring Milestone_That's it
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Ok, gang, this is it. Will upload the final full rez file this morning when I get to work. Again, thanks to everyone for your support. This was extremly fun. In this short time I have learned so much (from folks, the software I used etc). What I did to the final image: Fixed the left arm (bicep and the way the shoulder was looking), made his hand holding the axe bigger so it looks like it is holding the axe. Added straps to the axe, chains to the shoulder guard, flames from the back of the car, smoke from the burning rocks, changed the color of the sparks leading up to the axe from blue to red, put a reflextion of Wor on Sleeks hood, put shadow under his chin and down his chest, shadow where the bicep meets the forearm and under the left hand, shadow under the car to seperate the car from the ground a little better, made the top of the car lighter as it is above directly under the light, and finaly, made his right hand bigger to match with his bigger left hand (balance). OK, again, many, many thanks. Will be talking to everyone again real soon. Best to ALL. Dragon, out.

dragondragon
03-23-2005, 10:00 AM
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I hope folks like where I am going with this. I have always been a fan of cars (anyone remember Cartoons magazine?) and big strong barbaric looking dudes (Conan etc). Everyday we get in our cars and basicaly guide (control) them where to go. Just trying to think 'out side' the box here (I hope). This was the first layout I had. Will update as I go along. Any comments welcomed.

scorpier
03-23-2005, 10:13 AM
this could be cool, but i think the challenge took feelings and emotions as important.
Is the car happy or sad?

I think you have to show that.

A great original consept
Best of luck! :scream:

dragondragon
03-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Hi Remi. Thank you for your suggestions. I re-read all the info and your correct. I plan to make the car looking sad, worn out etc. Don't know if to stick with a 41 Ford or make it a 32 Coupe?? or even a Futuristic Hot Rod Battle machine like. Will see. I am planning to change the background as well. I am putting in buildings and a moon (moons are always great for setting a mood). I am looking to put a battle axe in the Blue Barbarians right arm (make it look futuristic or something-smile). On the ground I am going to put nothing but chrome or gold chains (will see). Believe it or not, there is a story to this image. Basicaly, the car has emotions and can talk. It pretty much is a battle vehicle that has a soul. It's master is a warrior from another dimension (the blue dude). So I am playing around this theme. Speaking of which, I may 'Battle up' the car (oh, I already said that-smile). Again, I will put new updates as I get them done. I am using Photoshop and Painter for this image. And about your english, don't worry man, I understand you just perfect. "It's not how you say it, but what your trying to say that matters".

dragondragon
03-30-2005, 08:26 AM
Going to other folks posts, ran out of time to post a new concept I have come up with-smile. Will post tomorrow. I looked at what I did and find it VERY boring. No action going on etc. Will show new one tomorrow. Out.

scorpier
03-30-2005, 09:01 AM
Getting the idea right and fixing the basic consept-problems is important to do at an earlt stage. So it's good to take some time off to just think. You don't have to submit daily you know.

If you get the mood right and the car and the composition and the colors this would be a really nice image!

Hope you come back with some new stuff soon :)

LouisBrowne
03-31-2005, 04:13 PM
Hey very original!! Made me chuckle. I think with this idea there are many possibilities of interesting backdrops - like a Car junk yard!. You have a good opportunity to lay down a whole society of strange car human relationships!!
The styling of the car is way cool too. You've got a lot of potential.
Good Like, & I'll be back on this thread for sure!

dragondragon
04-02-2005, 10:39 AM
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At the end of nothingness in our Universe, begins 'something'. To not make it so complex, the start of another Universe (alternate Universe??)
For in a time not measured like our own, wars have been raging between the Zor and the Auvik.
The reason (to get to the point), two GODS (one evil human like/or evil Alien like?? And the other a 'self generated' GOOD Machine-vehicle- no details right now, it just became), made images of themselves (copies) and of course, each GOD giving their 'beings/machines' Eidolon's (spirits). But, where there is good and evil, well, there is conflict.
To make a long story short, the Zor have their leader, Wor and the machines (cars), have theirs, Sleek (hey, what can I say, can't come up with a good name right now- :) ).
For what has seemed forever, the Zor have ruled the Auvik with an evil and brutal method of control. Well, as time went on, a rebellion (of course), came about and a leader for the Auvik was picked, Sleek.
And so, the image I am putting together here is, Sleek representing the oppressed vehicles that no longer want to do as their masters (the Zor) command of them. So hence, the struggle between Wor (the Zor leader) and Sleek, the Auvik representative.
Here is my second layout sketch. I like this one much better (the image on the left). On the right is just a sketch for a face (like the cigar but not the rest, will work on this). At bottom right, detail of the front end of the car (Sleek) and oh, by the way, decided to go with a 32' Ford Coupe, man, those cars are just so cool and fun to draw. Anywho, you can see (I hope), the shocks/springs, tires and break drums. Louis J. Browne suggested the struggle happen in a junk yard. This would probably be a cool idea. A futuristic junkyard and will allow me to 'open' up the image some (left to right) as so it does not look like we are looking through a hole or something. All in all, think I am sticking with this composition (just need to add more action etc). I hope this is what you were thinking of as well Scorpier (or something close- :) ). Ok, going to draw some more this weekend to start moving on to the final piece. And of course, I will post my process and discuss what I am doing as I go along. Style, drew ideas on paper with pencil. Then scanned in the individual sketches into Photoshop. Combined them all into one document and selected each sketch and sized and moved around. Made a layer multiply, put down purple for the overall base and used a hard brush to do the quick painting style. Dodged and burned as needed. Messed wth Hue&Sat to mess with Wor's skin color and Levels to mess with Tones. Not too many fancy things, just trying to get ideas down so I can start on the final piece. Oh, for Wor I posed in the mirror to get a quick refernce and did some searching on the internet for vehicle reference and for the chains as well. Also bought some chains so when I get ready to do the detail drawing, I have 'real' reference. Think this has been long enough. Any comments suggestions HIGHLY welcomed.

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 10:42 AM
lol thats one cool purple dood!

looking foward to more progress.

dragondragon
04-04-2005, 07:34 AM
Hi Louise J. Browne. I liked your idea of a chunk yard and am currently working it in (we will see if it works). On the comment about a whole society, funny you would mention that. To be honest, last year I was working on a book with some good friends of mine, based on an idea I have had since I was a kid. It was going to be a graphic novel almost based on what you just mentioned (can't give the details away, cause right now we are in the middle of revamping the book i.e. making it a 'story book' and including 3D elements and have done all the legal things etc). The idea was so good, we actually had landed a contract with a publisher. The publisher was looking not only to publish the book, but take it to the Cartoon network etc. But, it fell through. Why? The contract was 'one sided'. We could not negotiate a 'fair' contract. So, we had to walk away from it. Hey, I was not going to sell the idea for pennies.
Well, this image and story is 'kind' of a spin off of what we have going on, just not anywhere near the idea of the book I am currently working on.
What I mean is, any painting or 'idea' I come up with is going to involve a vehicle and some sort of human/alien in it. In other words, Frazzetta painted many Barbarians, but one idea or painting never had anything to do with the other (except for Conan of course).
So, this is an idea/image/story all it's own.
Heck, as soon as I finish the book I am working on, this could well be another whole book?? Who knows.
Nubian, I am glad you like the purple them I have going on. Think I will stick with it. I am not happy with the background though. What do you folks think of some 'Roman' like buildings to the sides and some other Zor behind Wor?. You know, like looking on as to what is happening? I was also thinking of making a storm with lightning in the background. What do you think of that?
OK, I tend to write too much, so I will stop here. Out.

Cregar
04-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Looking great there big guy, when you going to have a update up?

blackdragoncg
04-09-2005, 09:26 AM
Hey dude hows it going.... Your concepts are strong... good luck putting it all together.... rock on :thumbsup:

dragondragon
04-13-2005, 07:43 AM
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Basicaly my guide and of course the line art image that is required. The details will be put in during the WIP/painting process. Hope folks like where I am going with the image.
Dragon OUT.

dragondragon
04-13-2005, 08:05 AM
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Ok, so it starts. I am going for a cartoon/realistic (if that makes any sense-smile) look for the image. I am looking to put a thunderstorm in the background with a mountain range in the distance. Wor will be standing on a pile of heep (car parts/junkyard kind of look-thanks Louis J. Browne). Here I am just throwing down overall color. Any and all tackful comments welcomed.
Dragon, out for now.

Cregar
04-13-2005, 03:34 PM
Looking good there buddy... Thats one mean looking axe :-) Keep up the great work. I look forward to seeing the progress.

LouisBrowne
04-14-2005, 04:20 PM
Cool you've started the final > Let the games begin
cool concept

SEL
04-16-2005, 08:21 AM
Hey there!

Thought I would check out your thread since you responded and helped. Realised you were in the contest by the bottom link from the Photoshop thread, thought Ide check it out! I really hope you get around to finishing as it seems you have a lot of work ahead, my only suggestions would be the color theme! I would suggest if your dominent color is purple, to really push the adjacent colors on the color wheel with it, it will help your overal composition. Also try keeping your character not as stiff meaning right arm, throw in a bend etc. Sometimes I will use a circle and box technique to get the right proportion and angles for drawing humans. Ill keep posted to your progress and will try to help in any way if you have any questions!

SEL

dragondragon
04-18-2005, 09:04 AM
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Man, like many folks here, I too have been very busy (took the car in to have the inner tie rods changed and I replaced the rotors and breaks all this weekend). Not only that, just had brain freeze. I will be honest, been years since I have actualy painted. I mean, really painted (like at the level of art I see with many folks here. Good stuff). So, I am a little rusty. And that\\\'s why I entered this contest, to get back in the groove of things. You see, I have been a military multi media artist and for the last three years, a professional comic book colorist (colored on The Uncanny X-men: Marvel, G.I. Joe:Image/Devils Due, The Filth: D.C. Comics, The Gift: Raven Pub/Image Comics, G.I. Joe Mini comics: Hasbro, and many other projects). So, I am not new to this computer and art thing, what I am new to is, learning to REALLY \\\'PAINT\\\' again. So, I hope the image at least turns out HALF way good-smile.
SEL, I will give your brain child of using adjacent colors a shot (thanks). I will go over to your link and comment (me likes).
Ok, here I am just blocking in colors and starting to detail the clouds in the background. When I was in high school, I use to airbrush cars for money. So, as you can see, I still use the technique of blocking in colors with the selection tool like I use to do with Frisket and a blade. However, I once this is done, unlike airbrushing, I will then use a hard brush to paint like I use to with oils. I know, kind of odd, but, I need to get moving if I am to finish this peice. As usual, any comments welcomed (please). : - )
And why the heck do my images post twice??

dragondragon
04-22-2005, 07:17 AM
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Ok, not much of an update, but an update non the less. Building up tones. Promise to make a major update this weekend. I know there is still time, but it is quickly creeping up. As usual, any comments welcomed.
Dragon, out.

Cregar
04-24-2005, 05:38 PM
Looking good buddy... :)

dragondragon
04-25-2005, 12:18 AM
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I looked at my image again and as my good friend pointed out "many of the images in this contest, look static i.e. as if someone asked them to pose for a photograph". I took this to heart as well as Shaun's (SEL) suggestion not to make the human character '...stiff right arm...". I realized I need to put more action in the image, at least with the big dude. Not only that, I watched a Frank Frazetta documentray this weeked and that pumped me up (his life is/was really amazing). So, here I go.

dragondragon
04-25-2005, 07:25 AM
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Ok, so I have been a bit slow here. Just trying to find myself again (as an actual 'painter'). And tonight, I think I am getting there. Here is a start on the human character (close up). I appreciate all for your comments (I like his pose much better here). Alright, moving along to finish the image.
As usual, any body have more comments? What does everyone think of the human (Wor) characters face expression? Nutty enough? Cause that's what I am going for. And yes, redoing the background (that won't take long). And yes, I am looking to submit my final coloring milestone this coming weekend.

Dragon, out.

NOOB!
04-25-2005, 03:45 PM
thats looks great man,although his right arm seems a bit broken.i don't think u wud be able to see his elbow.

xric7
04-25-2005, 05:19 PM
nice work. :thumbsup:
i'll wait to see more.

LouisBrowne
04-28-2005, 12:15 AM
Looking sweet my man, I'm love the popping muscles. Nice choice of colours too > nice & moody night scene, I can't wait till you put in the moon and let it's light ping off the side of things!!.
Yo, here's an ideas, to make the geeza look more like the Master of the car/s, how about a chain/s from the geeza's hand to the cars bumper and possibly some axe holes in the car!! Just a fleeting idea of comedy I had, hope you like :)

dragondragon
04-29-2005, 03:25 PM
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Ok, here is a little update on the car. Still need to work on more shine, the gold on the car and tires. Louis, loved your idea on putting 'scars' on the car (will do). Man, that's what I was looking for (more action). With this idea of yours, now I can put like pieces of metal traveling up toward the axe (motion). Thanks man. I will be working on the pile of junk Wor is on, the background sky and chains tonight. Tomorrow (Sat), will spend the whole day on Wor and the axe and on Sunday the car and the over all image. So, I should be done on Sunday for a final submit. As usual, keep the comments coming. Thanks.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
04-30-2005, 11:04 PM
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Hi gang. Ok, believe it or not, this background took me forever. Not because I did not know what I wanted, but try to make it look the way I wanted in Painter. You see, I am no Painter pro. But man, I love the program and it has soooo much control. Anywho, I will be putting a lighting storm in the bottom part (you can already see the shine on the clouds) and some moutains. Will put another update tonight as I finish the junk yard Wor is on and, Wor himself. Hope it is looking 'cool'?? Louis, I will be putting a 'battle' scar on car (on the roof, cool idea). Ok, talk to ya all tonight. Need to go get something to eat.

dragondragon
05-01-2005, 10:31 AM
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Adding, removing items. Picking an overall color que. Detailing Wor. I will be putting in the scar in the car (hey, that ryhmed-smile). I will be putting FX like flying pieces of metal from the metal scar, lights on, shines, sparks, fog etc. The rest will go quick once I finish Wor and Sleek (the car). Man, just had to reread the posts here to remember the great suggestions-smile. Ok, moving along.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-02-2005, 03:12 AM
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Ok, adding detail to Wor (Fixed the arm Noob, hope you like it THANKS FOR THE TIP-and everyone else). Louis, seems I found the other half of my brain-smile. You were talking about adding rim lighting, well, that's exactly what I had in mind. Scary, you thinking like me-smile. Thanks. I am going to add viens to the arms/body and dirty up the flesh some so it's not so perfect. Also, fixed Wors face (the one I had looked like he had a scar on his lip and chin). I have been using dry media, Photo, and brushes with custom variants for the painting in Painter of course. I used Photoshop on the car. Just more compfortable with the airbrush in there. Well, moving onto adding the shoulder plate, the arm band (left arm) and axe. Little by little. Still got time-smile.
As usual, comments please.
Dragon, out.

bealobo
05-02-2005, 03:14 PM
Hi!
this is going really well, your gradients are neat and the textures are coming along nicely.
I canīt really crit to help in 2d because I donīt know much but I would just say something about the axe's "equilibrium", it seems that there is a part of the axe that is much more bigger and heavier than the other one. Maybe thatīs the design anyway.
:thumbsup:
Good Job Saul!

NOOB!
05-02-2005, 04:05 PM
i'm not quite sure if u mentioned u wanted this to be a realistic painting,but if u want it to look more realistic.....the human body is made up of all different tones,u might wanna consider changing/adding different tones all around the body,instead of one fixed colour pallette,but i understand ur used to comic book colouring,so that cud be intentional.

later man,keep it up!

dragondragon
05-04-2005, 07:48 AM
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Thanks to Noob for pointing out the 'boring' comic book like coloring I had on Wor (compared to work I have seen at this site, yes, normal comic book coloring looks boring now-smile). Now, don't get me wrong, I still enjoy a comic book that is colored well, however, there is no comparison to the detailed work that is up here. Anywho, cooled and warmed the body in different parts and well as lighten and darken as needed i.e. light around the chest and darken around the ribs, elbows down the forearm and into the hand. As well as cooled the left arm in the back (depth). Did all toning in Photoshop with a selections set around 5 and 7 pixels. Used layers also filled with destaturated blue with opacity turned down to 28%. Darkened areas using levels and Hue&Sat. Comments, comments... please.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-04-2005, 07:58 AM
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Ok, just wanted to show a close up of Wor's face. Still need to add some detail in the corner of the right eye and 'dark' rim lighting on the right side (by the hair). Also need to make the teeth not so perfect (grey/yellow). Greyed a little around the jaw and chin area as well as added a little orche to the forehead etc (trying to break up the face). Will be adding an earing to the right ear. Ok, moving on to the axe and pillars. Comments, comments, comments-smile.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-04-2005, 08:13 AM
Oops, have to fix the lower gums, I have them going up instead of down and around the teeth. Hum, need to fix that cock-eyed left eye too-smile. Anybody have any other suggestions? Hey, Bealobo, I fixed the axe (made it less heavy at bottom, more proportionate, thanks). Man, this site is great. It's been so, so long since I've painted (years). Can't believe how much I have forgotten about the rules of good painting (I'm reading books left and right about oil painting and just rules of art etc, it's all coming back slowly but surely). Please, give your fellow artist a hand here. I am so open to comments, bad and good. By the way, I LOVE everyone's work I have seen here. Man, you all rock.
Dragon, out.

Einar
05-05-2005, 04:35 AM
Nice work. Like the colors!

NOOB!
05-05-2005, 07:23 PM
keep at it brother! nice gums heh.

xric7
05-07-2005, 09:42 AM
wow.
i do love his face.great detail and great expression!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
good luck.

Virtuoso
05-07-2005, 10:01 AM
just dropping off two of these saul.....:thumbsup: :thumbsup: ........I like the ideas and execution.....real comic book creativity,and the color choice is vibrant and alive.....nice designs as well......well done saul.....:thumbsup:

SEL
05-07-2005, 01:36 PM
Cool man!

Its great to see this thing starting to take shape, great work on the ighlights and mild texturing of the skin. Quick suggestion that I think may help the character. It feels like the head is floating and not attached to the body, that is primarilly because it is like a hulk type of frame, try working out a little indication of the neck and place some shadows to show there is a neck and it should do the trick! Your highlights are really coming along nicelly, try shadowing some of the veins slightly though, the opposite of the light, it will help with muscle definition. Ill check back another time to see this unfold, keep up the great work!

SEL

LouisBrowne
05-09-2005, 02:05 AM
Looking sweet my man > Soz if haven't been about for awhile - no excuses.

Hope you still interested in the damage axe idea, the flying metal idea is ace. It'll make the still image move!! hehe. Yup I definitely see your way of thinking. The composition is balance really well with you new sky > I esp like the way the moons light seems to tunnel though the clouds. < very originally crafted

Hey, I know it's not finished so I might be getting ahead of my self saying; you should go ahead a drop in some self casting shadows on the geezer, you know like darken under his shoulder and neck etc. Basically leveling the shadow incomprehension to the moons light.

Still liking your fun&funky offset style, it's like a step outside our universe*

Peace my man

dragondragon
05-10-2005, 04:03 PM
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A little update. The Battle axe. Have another update, but running out of time, need to get to work. Will post other update tonight. As usual, thank you all for the encouragement. Talk to everyone tonight.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-11-2005, 08:10 AM
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Little by little. I will have it all done, if not by Thursday night, most certainly this weekend. I have taken suggestions given to me i.e. adding shadows to the viens, added the Sternocleidomastoideus muscle (so the head does not look like it it floating-smile), added an eye patch (great suggestion by my good friend Craig Janisch), finally ripped open the roof (from where the lazer Battle Axe hit-can you see the flying pieces of metal leading up to the Axe?) Ok, finsihing up the columns and car. Will end the piece with sparks in the flying peices of metal, glows on the lights, battle Axe, junk etc. Also going to added smoke for more mood and depth. As always, comments, comments, comments.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-11-2005, 08:32 AM
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Just wanting to show everyone the eye patch. Added Wor's hair, fixed his gums, and added more detail around the corner of his eye and where the brow and nose meat (folding of skin).
Xric, nice to see you here. Thank you for dropping by (will be at your post tomorrow-love your piece).
Louis, as usual. Thank you for coming back again. I highly appreciate your comments and suggestions (ripped the roof open-smile). Also will add the chain from Wor's hand to to Sleek's front fender.
Sel, fixed the neck issue and added shadows to the viens, thanks for pointing those out (checked out your website as well, very cool looking stuff and congrats on being selected by your old school).
Noob, as always, thanks also for coming back. Thanks for all the support (much needed-smile). I will also go to your post as well tomorrow (want to see how ya doing).
Virtuoso, great to see you here man. Loved the two thumbs up, funny stuff and of course, the very nice comments. I quickly went to your post today while I was at work. Man, your amazing. Your modeling and texturing is out of this world. I will go to your site as well tomorrow. Take care my friend.
Einar, this was a surprise. Thank you very much for dropping in. I also appreciated your kind comments. And, I also went to your website as well. Very clean and colorful stuff you do. Love it.
Ok, did I miss anyone? Eeeesh-smile.
Ok, hope eveyone likes how this is coming along. Will be my turn to go up to you all's post tomorrow and comment as well. Ok, going to bed now. Have a great one and as usual, best to all.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-11-2005, 08:37 AM
where the brow and nose "meet". I am sure I have other misspellings but hey, it's late and you all know what I am trying to say-smile. Have a great one.
Dragon, out.

Cregar
05-11-2005, 03:34 PM
Looking great buddy, can't wait to see the finished piece :-)

dragondragon
05-12-2005, 12:27 AM
Just realized the hair flatted incorrectly and the image looks too purple/violet. Will correct.

dragondragon
05-12-2005, 07:29 AM
Oh wow. This is strange, here at home, the image looks fine (hair and all). Must be the way the monitor at work is previewing. Anyone else see the hair 'slightly transparent' and the image too purple/violet?? Or IS it the machine at work, hum. Please let me know if these previews are looking ok, please. Ok, going to bed now.
Dragon, out.

My personal website (old, needs major overhauling-do not email from my site, need to update that as well, thought you folks would be interested in my old comic book work): www.angelfire.com/art2/dragono

Cregar
05-13-2005, 03:30 PM
Same thing is happening here buddy. sorry for the bad news.

MoonVisionStudio
05-14-2005, 10:44 PM
I like your exagerated style. My one comment is to becareful with textures, if they become to overpowering they will detratct from your art.

BTW are you from Chile? My step-dad played soccer with a Chilean with your last name, wouldnt it be a small world...

dragondragon
05-15-2005, 07:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116138630_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116138630_large.jpg)

Ok, been out for a bit, sorry. Here is my final work in progress. Finishing the gold, moon, and junk pile now. Then, ending it all with effects i.e. smoke (green), sparks, headlights etc. Will be submitting the Final Coloring Milestone tonight. Please let me know what ya all think so far. Talk to everyone tomorrow.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-15-2005, 07:36 AM
I figured out why things were looking incorrect at work.The problem was actualy with MY Machine. I had not calibrated it for over two years. The issue was, that my monitor had become too dark. So, I made it a little lighter. Now all should be ok.
Dragon, out.

xric7
05-15-2005, 07:46 AM
nice update.
keep going.:bounce: :thumbsup: :buttrock:

Cregar
05-15-2005, 08:15 AM
Looking great Saul!!

I think it actually is looking a little dark now but it could be my monitor. We will have to check it out at work Monday.

Keep up the good work. :)

Virtuoso
05-15-2005, 10:34 AM
Hi saul..... Looking real nice...... I would give him a touch more light..... A bit dak at this point....but just a touch.You can still keep the mood this way......I'll be back to see you're final touches...and wish you the best.......:thumbsup:

dragondragon
05-15-2005, 08:44 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116186273_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116186273_large.jpg)

OK, here she is. Hope folks like it. I will be posting close shots later (on the car I engraved markings into the gold-like the old western guns-, detail of tires and rims, updated Wors face, and so on). I went with blues 'adj' colors (Thanks SEL). I was going to put some straps coming off the axe and some thick chains swinging off Wor's shoulder pad, but felt I had enough 'detail' in this piece. I used many layers when 'shining up' Sleeks body (the car). Used overlay and other blending modes. I would remove portions of one layer to let the layer below come throught then I would combine these layers to make one. I then would grab that same layer and make yet another layer and again mess around with the blending modes. Once satisfied, I would adjust levels. I used custom brushes in both Photoshop and Painter to get the different textures. For Wor's body, I posed in the mirror to get it right, then, I looked in my Arnold S. Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding to see how the muscles would fall (I bodybuild myself, but I am not on steroids so I am not nearly as cut as the dudes in the book-smile). For the Sleek (the car), my good friend Craig lent me some of his HotRod magazines. The tire design (the rear one) from a company called Nitto. it was based on their NT555 tires (loved the patern). The burning rock/lava was the Clouds filter with the zig zag filter appled. I then distorded the pattern to force it to move to the right rear of the car. I then messed with Hue&Sat to get the red. On top of this, I went in with one of my custom brush and added lighter red, black, and yellow. The pillars and axe were also done with many layers (one texture mixed with another-all made by me with custom brushes). In painter I used dry media brushes for the flesh (with adjusted variables), photo brush (for the texture on the boot and shoulder pad), add water brush for blending, and the Bristle brush for the hair. For the shines on the car to include the head lights, gold sparks, electric sparks going up to the axe, and the ends of the axe... I used a layer on top of the flattened image. This layer I feel with black the change the blending mode to screen. This way, whatever color I am using 'shines' (or moves to a lighter side of it self till it reaches white if you keep pushing the brush). Ok, I think I have written a book here. Hope everyone likes this piece. Still up for comments. Thank you all for your help. You all rock.
And as usual, best of luck to everyone.
Dragon, out.

SEL
05-15-2005, 09:44 PM
Hey there!

What a difference since i saw it last great updates! The colors are flowing nicelly and youve done a great job on th coloring of the car, love the reflection! As far as critiques, throw a little shadow under the cars and wheels, maybe even do a blured reflection of your character on the car if you have time. Work on the lower back of th character so it looks like it is attached to his hip bone a little better. For your textures on the walls, I wrote a quick tutorial on my website that may help you out as far as bringing those effects out, though the texture would have to be on their own layer for it to work. Lastly, the arm holding the axe, something doesnt seem right. Im looking at it and I think you need to round off the shoulder instead of trying to connect it to the bicep, also the bicep is a little lop sided maybe take a little away from the left and add more to the right, really put some dark shadows where the bicep and forearm meet to show that its bent and back in space, and maybe a little darker shadows under the hand too so the hand pops out more at you, go with your highlights to bring out the rest as im sure you will do. Lastly is the hand holding the axe, make the axe handle thinner or his hand bigger, right now it looks like the axe is going through his hand, you need to make the room necessary to show the hand is wrapped around that powerful weapon. Right now that all I see I can critique on. This piece is developing nicelly and youve done a great job on it thus far. Ill check back at the end of the challenge to see your final piece, great job!! Hope I was able to help any..

SEL

dragondragon
05-16-2005, 07:20 AM
Hi Sel. Thanks for coming back. You are correct in all your tips. Will fix. I had thought of putting a reflection on the hood and roof of the car of Wor, but thought it would take away from the car. Never the less, now that you pointed it out. Will try it out again. Will try shadow under the tires (don't think on the car it would work, as the ground is lite up). But can make the tires seem to 'sink' into the burning rock. I had 'clear' detail on the the pillars but thought it was too 'upfront' and were fighting for attention, hence why I decided to just blur them a little and destat a little to push them back. Will check your tute though. Folks are telling me the image looks a bit dark. Will check at work tomorrow to see how much to lighten up. Again, thanks for all the tips. Always great to get a 'second pair of eyes' when doing a piece. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-16-2005, 08:05 AM
Sel, are you talking about your 'metal' on the face tutorial? Where you draw a texture, shrink it and put it on an Overylay layer? Is what your talking about for the pillars?? Let me know.

Virtuoso
05-16-2005, 09:38 AM
Hi saul........... My oh my......this really turned out quite well.....you brought this up to a very nice level with you're last update here.....it shines now,and has a intense presence,a vivid color palette,and is quite the striking piece......You gave this baby a real nice polish job......Colors are working and the lighting is crisp and set at a perfect hue,things are lit just right now.......Ok..I'll be watching,see this to the final,all the best to you......:arteest: :beer:


......You mentioned in my thread about the Comic Con San Diego .....I have never been to it......but will look into this.....and then get back to you on this......Thanks for the heads up......Ok best of luck to you,I'll be back to see the finish....:thumbsup:

NOOB!
05-16-2005, 08:34 PM
i really don't have many crits man! looks awsome,very stylistic,luvin the vehicle! reflections...great!! purple madness

wish u the best of luck man!!

hope to see u next time round. hey and check back tommorow *tuesday* for my final image.


latah!

dragondragon
05-16-2005, 11:39 PM
Hey Noob. Great to see you here again. Thanks for all your help and kind comments. Will most certainly see ya tomorrow over at your post. And best right back at yaa. :thumbsup:

dragondragon
05-17-2005, 11:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116325126_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6149/6149_1116325126_large.jpg)

Ok, gang, this is it. Will upload the final full rez file this morning when I get to work. Again, thanks to everyone for your support. This was extremly fun. In this short time I have learned so much (from folks, the software I used etc). What I did to the final image: Fixed the left arm (bicep and the way the shoulder was looking), made his hand holding the axe bigger so it looks like it is holding the axe. Added straps to the axe, chains to the shoulder guard, flames from the back of the car, smoke from the burning rocks, changed the color of the sparks leading up to the axe from blue to red, put a reflextion of Wor on Sleeks hood, put shadow under his chin and down his chest, shadow where the bicep meets the forearm and under the left hand, shadow under the car to seperate the car from the ground a little better, made the top of the car lighter as it is above directly under the light, and finaly, made his right hand bigger to match with his bigger left hand (balance). OK, again, many, many thanks. Will be talking to everyone again real soon. Best to ALL. Dragon, out.

NOOB!
05-17-2005, 12:09 PM
CONGRATS MAN!! now u can relax,u put allota effort in this one mate!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODD LUUUUUUUUUCCCCK!!!

seeya next time * i ain't posted my final yet....i will in an hour and a half*

dragondragon
05-17-2005, 07:35 PM
Hey Noob. First off, lets stay in touch man. You were so cool the whole time. I really did/do appreciate your time. And thank you for all the nice comments etc. OK dude, I will check out your image in a while. And right back at ya, wish you the very best for this contest.
Dragon, out.

NOOB!
05-17-2005, 10:12 PM
sure thing,i'll still be around after the challenge!

dragondragon
05-18-2005, 03:17 PM
Sounds great Noob. Will write you. Sorry, did make it to your site last night. Will today for sure. Gotta run, going to work. Have a great one.

dragondragon
05-19-2005, 02:12 AM
Hey, anybody know when they will let us know 'if/when' we have won? How long does it take?
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-19-2005, 02:15 AM
Incase anyone has missed the story, here it is again.

At the end of nothingness in our Universe, begins 'something'. To not make it so complex, the start of another Universe (alternate Universe??)
For in a time not measured like our own, wars have been raging between the Zor and the Auvik.
The reason (to get to the point), two GODS (one evil human like/or evil Alien like?? And the other a 'self generated' GOOD Machine-vehicle- no details right now, it just became), made images of themselves (copies) and of course, each GOD giving their 'beings/machines' Eidolon's (spirits). But, where there is good and evil, well, there is conflict.
To make a long story short, the Zor have their leader, Wor and the machines (cars), have theirs, Sleek (hey, what can I say, can't come up with a good name right now- :) ).
For what has seemed forever, the Zor have ruled the Auvik with an evil and brutal method of control. Well, as time went on, a rebellion (of course), came about and a leader for the Auvik was picked, Sleek.
And so, the image I am putting together here is, Sleek representing the oppressed vehicles that no longer want to do as their masters (the Zor) command of them. So hence, the struggle between Wor (the Zor leader) and Sleek, the Auvik representative.
Dragon, out.

blackdragoncg
05-19-2005, 06:46 AM
Hey Saul, good luck with you entry dude looking good :thumbsup:

SEL
05-19-2005, 10:41 AM
Nice to see it finished there dragon! Im glad to see all your hard work pay off at the end, ill see you around in future challenges. GL

SEL

LouisBrowne
05-19-2005, 01:55 PM
Congratulation my man, I fine piece > I haven't stopped by in a while, So there's so much more to see!

Love the hot like-lave oozing inside the cool mobile. The flying glowing metal turned out nicely too.

Hehe, I can't believe I missed the Car hieroglyphs before!! Awesome idea. Now that's funny. You've got me thinking of this weird complex culture now. Man I'd love to see this one at the movies.



No rest for you!! On with the Zbrushing version!! > hehe - you deserve a break myman,

talk to you soon.



Peace

xric7
05-19-2005, 06:14 PM
hi Dragon,:D
Congrats on ur finish.:bounce: :thumbsup: :applause: :buttrock:
amazing final image.love the way u use flashy color a lot.
thanks for ur support during the challenge.
best luck to u in contest.
cheers.:)

dragondragon
05-19-2005, 07:07 PM
Hey Louis, I knew you would come by. Thanks man. As with the others, I really appreciated all your great ideas and comments. I will be emailing you this weekend to just talk about art/life etc. Ya never know.
And, best of luck my friend.
:thumbsup:
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-20-2005, 12:38 AM
I will holler at ya via email SEL. Have a great one.

dragondragon
05-20-2005, 02:13 AM
Hey, Thitipon, how about staying in touch. This is what is great about being an artists, ya can talk with others like yourself. Fantastic. Ok, will be seeing you up here and I hope by email.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-20-2005, 11:52 PM
Thitipon, recieved your PM. Will contact ya this weekend.

bealobo
05-21-2005, 12:48 PM
Saul! Congratulations on finishing and... good luck!

dragondragon
05-22-2005, 07:37 AM
Hi Bealobo. Wow, kinda surprised to see ya back here. But listen, thank you very much for coming back. As you already know, had to go to your post and give ya a final comment. And yes, best of luck to you my friend. See you around the posts up here and the next contest. Take care.
Dragon, out.

dragondragon
05-23-2005, 05:35 AM
Noob mentioned that contest judgeing is to begin Monday, is this true? Anyone?

dragondragon
05-31-2005, 03:05 AM
Man, this is killing me. :cry:

dragondragon
06-14-2005, 02:48 AM
Man, I hope they hurry. :thumbsup:

dragondragon
06-18-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm sad. Where'd everyone go? Nobody has come back to give me a hug. :sad: :shrug:
:cry: ;) :thumbsup:

xric7
06-20-2005, 05:45 PM
hey Saul,:D
i heard about a kind of the ideas for the next challenge theme somewhere in cgtalk.i think most challengers are there.or they have busy for their works for now.now i try to prepare myself for the next one too.:arteest: ;)
ps.for the result of m'n s,the admin said it maybe announce to us next week.wish u best in judging.take care,mate.:)

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