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eunuchbot
03-23-2005, 02:22 AM
Paul Sucharski has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6112)

Latest Update: Modeling: too big?
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112851583_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112851583_large.jpg)

Is the boy too big? I think his size relation to Frank is not as dynamic as it should be? What do you think?... Starter the legs and belt harness.

Paul

eunuchbot
03-23-2005, 02:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111545439_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111545439_large.jpg)

My idea is that "king" Frank (the rich guy) purchased a small child instead of a car... "It is cheaper to feed the child than to buy gas for an automobile fit for a king!" says Frank.

I'm not to sure on the design of Frank... I'm going to go home and sketch some more versions of him
Paul

smaddl
03-23-2005, 10:22 AM
very nice and dynamic sketch. i like your idea. good luck :)

eunuchbot
03-23-2005, 04:09 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111594182_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111594182_large.jpg)

I played with the concept some more, and put them in traffic.

Paul

eunuchbot
03-27-2005, 10:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111918185_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111918185_large.jpg)

This is the model for Frank's head... I'm pretty happy with the geometry.
Paul

eunuchbot
03-27-2005, 10:30 AM
C&C please... I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time with something that's cliche or if I have a chance with this concept.

Paul

und3r
03-27-2005, 10:36 AM
I like it.
Thaere is still not much to tell.
I am waiting for more updates.
Keep doing great job!

Green bird
03-27-2005, 02:29 PM
I really like the concept, the idea of mixing them with cars is a good idea.
Frank's head look awsome.
Can't wait to see your next steps. :)

eunuchbot
03-28-2005, 02:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111975772_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111975772_large.jpg)

Started roughing out the body. I still have to do the front part and the hands and feet... then it's off to the rest of the models.
Paul

eunuchbot
03-28-2005, 07:48 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111996131_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1111996131_large.jpg)

Some more changes on the front and started fleshing out the chair.

Paul

LordShaitan
03-28-2005, 08:09 AM
Looking pretty cool man. what kind of ideas do you ahve for the envo or texturing?

eunuchbot
03-28-2005, 02:52 PM
The environment will be a traffic jam with a nice smoggy city scape in the far background. The textures will be fairly simple, enough to suggest photoreal, but stylized of coarse. It will be a hot day, so Ill want warm colors mixed with desaturated ones. Plus, it will look dirtier on the lower half of the picture (where the child is) and somewhat clean and unthreatening uptop.

Paul

eunuchbot
03-29-2005, 05:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112117682_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112117682_large.jpg)

Fixed the lighing and put in the hands, they still need to be posed with their objects (tea cup and riegns (sp?))

Paul

bealobo
03-29-2005, 10:44 PM
I don´t know why you haven´t had more attention, the concept rocks! and Frank is awesome... what a bast*** he is
:thumbsup:

ciscoleal
03-29-2005, 10:51 PM
Your concept sketch works on many levels. I like it. You have the obese lazy master type riding on the smaller weaker slave type.

-Juan
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224719

eunuchbot
03-30-2005, 04:19 AM
Thanks guys for your comments, I'll update tonight

Paul

StuntMan
03-30-2005, 04:37 AM
love (javascript:var empty2 = window.open('http://66.216.114.15/SearchRedirect.aspx?SearchID=184&UserID= 7EB73B4-3FEE-C45A-6B2E-D15E01554D6E&DistID=0102050224', '_blank');) it great idea im looking forward to seeing this finished!

eunuchbot
03-30-2005, 06:13 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112163211_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112163211_large.jpg)

Added teapot and teacup, articulated the hand even though you can't see it from this angle >:( added detail to seat mech.

Paul

I'm going to bed now

debaser
03-30-2005, 10:18 AM
refreshing concept and nice modeling.
cheers

Canche
03-30-2005, 11:04 AM
Man you are good with the details.
keep up the good work.

soapy
03-30-2005, 05:01 PM
Nice work so far, I really like the modeling style.

eunuchbot
03-31-2005, 07:59 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112255939_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112255939_large.jpg)

Here's the start of the boy's head with the bit in his mouth... I still have to give him more hair and all the straps and restraints and stuff.

Paul

LordShaitan
03-31-2005, 09:07 PM
Frank: I belive Patrick Star said it best "When it doubt, pinky out". Yeah it just looks like the cup is floating bro, regardless of the real position always shoot for the silouete. Some of his face is kind of blocky, especially around the brows, maybe to convey his fatness you should try to make the facial planes blend a little better. Also you have a jaw line, but there would be alsmot no way the jaw would show with those cheeks. His hat, i love it man, but would it look beter having a curve all the way up it instead of straighting out? Also you may in the end want to lean the top forward, just so your continuing the line of his body.

Boy: I think if you make the eyes a tad bit larger, it will convey a smaller/innocent child. Give em the puppy dog eyes, will make people sympathize more for him.

Im digging it bro, keep it up.

eunuchbot
03-31-2005, 10:17 PM
http://www.yes-minister.com/images/oth_humphreycup.jpgThis is the pose I was going for on the hand, I thought it looked quite foppish. I could probably go pinky out though... maybe a tiny bit larger on the eyes.

thanks Jeff

Paul

eunuchbot
04-01-2005, 01:44 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112319876_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112319876_large.jpg)

I finished the bit and harness, now I need the chin strap for the helmet and his hair, oh and his body of coarse...

Paul

pigwater
04-01-2005, 01:48 AM
eunuchbot .. wonderful stuff .. very emotionally filled modelling ... nice ... subscribed

:thumbsup:

bealobo
04-02-2005, 12:04 PM
wow!
can you show us some wires? the modeling is great!

ace4016
04-02-2005, 12:36 PM
Funny concept. I haven't seen any entrie with the big guy being the master while riding ontop of the smaller guy; its usually the other way around. Poor kid. Modeling seems to be going great. Waiting for more updates.

eYadNesS
04-02-2005, 12:57 PM
:eek: cool concept, it remind me with a bug life movie :D

nice job, good luck mate :thumbsup:

Micro26
04-02-2005, 01:51 PM
wow, i love the concept and your modeling expresses it by far:scream:
cant wait to see this finished man:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Miezis
04-02-2005, 02:00 PM
yeah, yeah- I like your idea, I have a similar one, I'll be staying here to watch your progress. Looking forward for more progress of your piece!

eunuchbot
04-04-2005, 11:49 PM
Miezis, thank you for your comments... our ideas aren't too much alike... I like your roman soldier.

I'll post some wires soon

Paul

Thank you all for your comments and support

Neliox
04-05-2005, 12:34 AM
Nice nice nice :)

Good cartoon style :bounce:

eunuchbot
04-07-2005, 06:26 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112851583_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/6112/6112_1112851583_large.jpg)

Is the boy too big? I think his size relation to Frank is not as dynamic as it should be? What do you think?... Starter the legs and belt harness.

Paul

smaddl
04-07-2005, 12:02 PM
nice progress. i think the master's legs should be laid on the boy's back. one of them at least. keep it up :)

bealobo
04-07-2005, 04:03 PM
hi!
you should make a photoshoped composition to test on the sizes because I think you´re right and it could be improved to show more dinamism. (motion?)

anyway you´re modeling is awesome.

digones
04-07-2005, 04:48 PM
excellent idea and awesome modeling :applause:


good luck, Eunuchbot!

neo_sk8rider
04-07-2005, 07:26 PM
Hey Man.. I Liked Your Stylus.. Keep It Up.. :thumbsup:

Cya,

Neo.

Gunilla
04-07-2005, 07:45 PM
Lovely modeling and a really good concept! As for size of the boy - I think the size in the sketch was more clear about the relation, I'm sure you find the right solution. The expression of the boy is really heartbreaking... the whole scene is very promising so far :thumbsup:

Aethyrprime
04-07-2005, 07:46 PM
Very unique and twisted in a way. Good work. Keep going...

ufotung
04-10-2005, 03:09 PM
nice ~
I like the image with cars ~

WimH
04-10-2005, 03:23 PM
Cool idea good luck.

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224025

conundrum
04-10-2005, 04:16 PM
yeah, i have to agree that this deserves a lot more attention than its recieving, i love the concept and the modelling style is really unique. i think that making the size difference would help the effect of image and having frank kicking or pushing on the servants head would add a nice touch. awesome work though, im looking forward to seeing it finished, good luck:bounce:

mr wonky
04-10-2005, 11:03 PM
I like this. A sort of twisted Heath Robinson feel to it.

Smaw
04-10-2005, 11:09 PM
I love your concept! especially the one where it's in traffic. I think putting the guys in traffic makes it even funnier.

gra7
04-10-2005, 11:38 PM
great job man.. i think that if u do a cigar in her mouth this will be complete..hehehe
waiting to see more ! c ya !

eunuchbot
04-10-2005, 11:53 PM
I'm not sure I'll have him smoking a cigar,... wait did you mean the servant (the kid) smoking a cigar? maybe interesting... I was trying to contrast frank's stubby fat limbs with the kids long and skinny limbs, but I think the kid ends up looking older than he should. I think if I go skinny by semi-stubby, the boy will look more like a child.

pigwater
04-11-2005, 12:58 PM
the kid ends up looking older than he should


how about smaller nose in the Y & drop the eyes in the Y .. that would make him look younger

this is defilintely one of my favs .. great stuff :thumbsup:

viag
04-11-2005, 01:05 PM
nice idea !

yes maybe just grow up the big guy , but its a really clean and nice modelling , keep this good work :)

bealobo
04-11-2005, 04:57 PM
Hi!
I would say drinking better than smoking, because that way the servant should put an extra attention not to make any tough movement... this add a little story to the scene I think.

eunuchbot
04-11-2005, 09:13 PM
bealobo-
I've been trying to show that kind of relationship between the too. Frank is drinking tea and there's a tea pot on the table, its hard to choose an angle that shows the tea pot and Frank drinking and still show the little boy struggling to support Frank while not moving his head too much (can't have the tea sloshing around!!)... Thanks for your comments

pigwater- the kids body is whats thowing me... but your right his face looks like something from Akira.

Paul

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