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JasonChan
03-22-2005, 03:46 PM
Jason Chan has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5960)

Latest Update: Final Image: Wish
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1116394280_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1116394280_large.jpg)

WISH

There was once a peaceful kingdom full of color and warmth. And in this kingdom lived a musician, a girl, who knew nothing but happiness. Her happiness grew when her true love proposed to her and her wedding was the most wonderful day that the land had seen in ages.

Then, one day, war arrived on the kingdom’s doorstep. One by one the neighboring kingdoms had fallen at the hands of a growing empire. It was only a matter of time before the girl’s homeland was conquered as well.

Determined to protect his wife, the girl’s husband decided to leave for war. As a parting gift, her husband picked a perfect lotus petal from the pond and placed it in her hair. To her he said, “So long as this lotus is alive, you will know that I am safe.” With that, her kissed her and left with the setting sun. The girl held calm as her husband departed, but the tears came and she wept when he had crossed the horizon, for she knew that the fight would be a hopeless one and her love would be lost.

A year had passed and lotus had not wilted. Day after day she wore the flower in her hair and day after day she prayed and looked to the horizon, playing her music to bring her lover home. News had arrived that the war was not fairing well and her worries only grew. One night, while alone in her bed, the girl remembered a fairy tale her grandmother had once told her. There was a lake in the woods where a spirit lived that was lonely and sad. If someone could bring a moment of peace to that spirit, then it would come forth and grant them a single wish.

Determined to bring her lover home, the girl left for the woods. After hours of wandering, she came upon a shimmering lake. Convinced that this was the place that her grandmother had spoken of, the girl perched herself on a rock and began to play her music. All of her sadness and all of her hopes flowed through her fingers and through her instrument. She wailed and sang and all of her being became song. Before long, a beautiful woman in flowing robes appeared before the girl.

“You sing so beautifully yet your soul is so full of sorrow. It comforts me to know that others understand the suffering that I feel so deeply. When my own lover died, I was overcome with grief and came to this lake to end my suffering. But, by taking my own life, I was cursed to remain here in my sadness for eternity. But in this moment of peace, I will grant you but one wish.”

The young girl, having come all this way to bring back her husband, paused. She realized that she was not alone in her suffering. She was selfish to believe that her sadness was hers alone. Her whole kingdom was feeling as she felt.

“I wish,” she said blinking back her tears, “for you to join your love in the afterlife.”

The spirit smiled for the first time in ages and with a nod, she disappeared to rejoin her long lost love.

JasonChan
03-22-2005, 03:46 PM
This should be fun...

:twisted:

NOOB!
03-22-2005, 03:47 PM
hell yeh good luck! ur one of my fave artists!

ms@zx
03-22-2005, 03:56 PM
i wont be going easy on u jason~~lol~!!:scream:.lets just make this happen.i'm one of ur biggest fan in cgtalk
good luck mate

AlyFell
03-22-2005, 04:00 PM
Good luck Jason! Watching your entry with anticipation! :)

JasonChan
03-22-2005, 04:04 PM
Thanks, guys! This challenge is going to be awesome! So many tallents are already joining up! I'm really excited! :scream:

MDN67
03-22-2005, 04:05 PM
hi, "the return of the evil", good luck and i'm wait your first skretch:thumbsup:

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 04:17 PM
Hi jason!!

I can't wait to see what we'll get from you...

Good luck...

flyingP
03-22-2005, 04:24 PM
Hi jason!!

I can't wait to see what we'll get from you...

Good luck...

what he said :D

eparts
03-22-2005, 04:26 PM
Hi and good luck for the contest! Your art and style is great, and I find this contest more challenging whenever I look at your art.

Will be watching
cya
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walrus
03-22-2005, 04:27 PM
Hey, Jason, good to see you back! I was just mentioning your work to someon the other day, something like "He does dark and creepy so well, it should be fun to see what he comes up with for this theme, right up his alley!" So, well, looking forward to seeing what you do with it! :-) Have fun!

-mike

teknotek83
03-22-2005, 04:50 PM
I can't believe you've now gotten a reputation for doing dark and creepy images. What happened to the cute and normal stuff from a few years back?? :-p Good luck, Jason!

paulwdavidson
03-22-2005, 04:53 PM
Wotcha mate...........welcome, and good luck.

Paul

Squibbit
03-22-2005, 04:54 PM
excelleeent!! go gerbil!!

tlggungor
03-22-2005, 05:21 PM
hi my friend , welcome and good luck :buttrock: :bounce:

JasonChan
03-22-2005, 05:26 PM
Thanks everyone.

Hehe, I should do something cute and funny just to throw everyone off :D I do have a couple ideas that could work that way...

Nah, i don't know what I'm doing yet... Stay tuned.

nacho_grande
03-22-2005, 05:35 PM
Good Luck Jason :thumbsup:

teknotek83
03-22-2005, 07:01 PM
Hehe, I should do something cute and funny just to throw everyone off :D

You're not supposed to say that outloud!!!

W-I-L
03-22-2005, 07:30 PM
i am a big fan of yours . . . i am not worthy! well i have lost before i have started . . .

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Hehe, I should do something cute and funny just to throw everyone off.

Woohoo!! Go on!! Pleeeese!!

PeterPuppet
03-22-2005, 09:19 PM
I´ve seen a kissing angel and I almost died. Can you finish me off this time?:twisted: Well you better do... hehe... good luck!

deviousderek
03-23-2005, 02:26 AM
Hey Jason! Havent seen you around school at all... must have completely different schedules, i guess. Cant wait to see what you produce here. I checked out your sci-fi class stuff and im pretty damn impressed. Oh, and congrats on the Society of Illustrators thing! Was it your portraits that did it?? Anyway, im really excited about this challenge, i already posted an idea that i think im gonna stick with. Let me know what you think. Later man!

Derek

Tommy Lee
03-23-2005, 05:09 AM
Bring it on Jason!:scream:

Cheerz and good luck buddy,.. this theme is perfect for you, isn't it?:thumbsup:

Tom

sketchfiend
03-23-2005, 05:38 AM
Good to see you back mate, cant wait to see what you come up with, goodluck!:thumbsup:

SideAche
03-23-2005, 05:52 AM
Best wishes Jason. Always enjoy your work.

igorstshirts
03-23-2005, 06:32 AM
Subscribing to thread.

Kyena
03-23-2005, 07:43 AM
Good luck Jason :)
I am really looking forward to see your concepts and your workflow process.

paulwdavidson
03-23-2005, 08:18 AM
WHAT............no image yet?


come on mate, I'm eager to see what you've got

crimson13
03-23-2005, 11:05 AM
As soon as I learned the title of this comp, my thoughts dwelled on your machineflesh entry :)
well, I guess you can't enter the same image in two comps, so really looking forward to seeing what you make of this

mack72
03-23-2005, 11:09 AM
Where are the sketches!!?

Looking forward to seeing whart delights you unearth this time!
Best of luck!

Jezzarts
03-23-2005, 11:36 AM
Back to kick ass I suspect? good luck mate. - Jez

Freefall Omega
03-23-2005, 12:14 PM
you're gonna get a well deserved top spot this time i suspect.

kind regards
mike

element5
03-23-2005, 12:19 PM
Hiya Jason,

Cant wait to see what you got for us to see :)

ralphmanning
03-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Looking forward to seeing what comes out of you. Good luck.

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 04:33 PM
Haha, don't rush me! I've been wracking my brain for the PERFECT idea, but it's going no where... What direction should I take this in? Help me out people... should I go Emotional? Sexy? Disturbing? Funny? Cute? I have some ideas for each... I'll try to draw up some sketches to see what you guys think.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 04:35 PM
how about disturblingly funny cute sex?? that cud work!! hehe

i think u shud do sumthin..different,thats all i can say.

AlyFell
03-23-2005, 04:41 PM
Jason Jason Jason! I wanna piccy. How about Emotional? Sexy? Disturbing? Funny? and Cute? all in one... now there's a challenge! :D

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 04:44 PM
your fans are getting impatient... let's REVoLT!!

Kid-Mesh
03-23-2005, 05:05 PM
Wow one of my favorite artist has joined :bounce: this is awesome....defintely subscribing now!

Cant wait to see what you whip up.

choptider
03-23-2005, 08:28 PM
still nothing?
what are you doing, no inspiration yet?

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 08:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111614062_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111614062_large.jpg)

Heres an idea I'm playing with. It's a summoner who summons strange creatures that act as loyal subjects. In this image, I have the summoner standing with her mount, some kind of half human half beast creature, and she is summoning a small flying creature to scout and gather information. I'm playing with the idea that she draws a circle with her fingers to create a portal for her servants to come out of.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 08:43 PM
finally !!! looking great.nice concept

Kid-Mesh
03-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Hey thats a pretty cool idea, no matter what you do I know it will be great :twisted:

AlyFell
03-23-2005, 08:50 PM
Aaaannnd... breathe! Hmmm... looks like you are going for Emotional? Sexy? Disturbing? Funny? and Cute? all in one! Purple and black! The goth in me is moved to tears... Good looking idea here Jason! :)

teknotek83
03-23-2005, 09:08 PM
Once again, an artist (unintentionally) steals one of my initial concepts! Damn you, Jason.. :scream:

Enayla
03-23-2005, 09:12 PM
You always blow me away with your work :] I think I'm going to really like the idea here - I have a feeling the magic will look very nifty.

I'm a little bit partial to... not pink, though, heheh. Perhaps going a little bit bluer in the background and a bit more purple in the magic-effect? Ah, it's just personal preference, though. *stomps on all pink things*

DimitrisLiatsos
03-23-2005, 09:18 PM
DItto ..in the "..Blown away .." part of what Linda says ..so subscribing once more....awesome art in GSO ..so i hope for more eye candy in this one too....have fun :)

Squibbit
03-23-2005, 09:29 PM
oh yeah gerbil knows his stuff !!

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 09:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111617429_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111617429_large.jpg)

Ok, here's the summoner having her servants act more like handmaids. The face she is pulling out of the portal is supposed to be there so that she can take the flowers from its hair. I don't know if that came across very clearly...

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 09:38 PM
wow looks like it will be a success i like the idea of the circle thingy.

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 09:43 PM
Thanks for all of the comments, guys.

teknotek83: Well, you can still do summoning... the direction I'm heading is probably totally different than you would have taken.

Enayla: Thanks! I'm deffinitely thinking about getting rid of the pink and shifting everything toward blue and purple, like you suggested. I need to play with the colors a bit.

I still have to come up with a background... Right now I'm thinking magical forest. Maybe in twilight with glowing mushrooms?

rawwad
03-23-2005, 09:53 PM
All of your work are fantastic! I look foward to see your final image in this challange.

Master & Servant
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222995

theCloudmover
03-23-2005, 10:02 PM
wow looks like it will be a success i like the idea of the circle thingy.

Yep! Definitely a powerful design.

coldfront
03-23-2005, 10:32 PM
looks very nice. I like the idea with the teleporter!

teknotek83
03-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Don't call me "teknotek83" when you know my real name :-p. I think I like the first concept better. For this one, I don't understand why she's summoning the other girl for flowers. Or maybe it just seems like she's abusing her summoning powers. Both have a really magical feel to them, though (is it because the violet palette that you're using?). More, please!

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 10:56 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111622201_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111622201_large.jpg)

Ok, I've added in a background. I've also taken out the pixies that were doing the characters' hair. I may or may not add them back in later.

Now, I have two color schemes I'm playing with... What do you guys prefer?

AlyFell
03-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Purple! :)

teknotek83
03-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Green all the way. After seeing this, I don't really care for the story/background information. :p. It's so pretty!

MattDixon
03-23-2005, 11:04 PM
Purple.

On the other hand, they both look good, so why not combine them? Use the purple one as a base scheme, and throw the green light onto the summoner and foreground from the portal? Purple and green is my favourite colour combo.

Shaping up into a really strong image, Jason, and I really like the concept. Can't wait to see where you go next!

( Oh, and I miss the pixies... ;) )

NinjaA55N
03-23-2005, 11:04 PM
Very promissing start. About composition there is no doubt, its just perfect, but I also have some scruples about the color scheme. Pink or violet is too much used for themes with fairy girls and similar. I would go with a red or brown here. Will give some fresh and more serious look to the pic. Just some suggestions, im sure whatever u'll do it will be amaizing at the end :) good luck!

teknotek83
03-23-2005, 11:09 PM
In my opinion..

Green=Magical
Purple=Enchanting

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 11:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111624049_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111624049_large.jpg)

More colors to choose from.

Rkhon
03-23-2005, 11:46 PM
Great start! I really liked your machineflesh entry alot, and look forward to watching this one develop.

I like the red color schemed version. I dig the contrast with greens.

Nigel-Q
03-23-2005, 11:48 PM
you're ideas are looking good, man. you've shown some really nice work on the boards, i'm sure you'll turn out another fine piece for this one.

NinjaA55N
03-23-2005, 11:53 PM
Im for that last, red-brown one :) I think it fits perfect for the theme.

ms@zx
03-24-2005, 12:18 AM
whoa~~for just a few hours and u came up with all these.its just amazing,all the color schemes looks good to me,however the choices are always urs:)

OKMER
03-24-2005, 12:27 AM
I agree with Ninja for the colrscheme,and for the rest,well just like them:

Originally Posted by duddlebug
Hi jason!!

I can't wait to see what we'll get from you...

Good luck...

what he said :D

offbeatworlds
03-24-2005, 01:55 AM
Wow, wonderful concept! I love all the color schemes, there's no way I can choose. I guess it depends on what kind of mood you're trying to capture. If you want mysterious with a hint of royalty, purple all the way. If you want something a bit more calming and natural, then go for green. But if you're looking for romantic and somewhat dark, then the red/black color scheme is probably what you should go for. Personally I like all of them. :)

I love the layout and the background though, it looks great!!

You and Enayla are inspiring me...I sort of want to take a part in the Challenge, but I have too many ideas to choose from! Gah!

Can't wait for updates!

Alden
03-24-2005, 02:48 AM
Heyo,

I'm new here, but I've been following your work for a while now.

Really neat concept. :applause: I think the red version has a little bit more depth than the other two.

Good luck. I look forward to more pictures!

~Aldo

ralphmanning
03-24-2005, 03:35 AM
Looking good so far - All three colours work well I think, so whichever you end up choosing, it will look good. Initially, when there was only blue/purple and green, I preferred the blue/purple one. I also like the latest addition, the orange. Each one could be seen to relate to the seasons; the first (left) looks most like winter, the middle one looks like spring while the last one (right) looks like autumn. In my preference order it would be blue/purple first choice, then the orange in second, then finally the green.

Peddy
03-24-2005, 04:11 AM
be aware than greens, when not warm, are often attributed to feelings of anxiety, discomfort or even insanity. the same applies with yellow, especially when its used with non-warm colours and non-warm variations of green.

id stick with the brown/red warm colour palette. conveys less mystery and more emotion/passion than a purply blue.

btw, good compositions and use of negative space, but keep working because it can always get better =]

Tommy Lee
03-24-2005, 05:50 AM
Im for that last, red-brown one :) I think it fits perfect for the theme.

Same here...:thumbsup:

Kyena
03-24-2005, 06:02 AM
I am definately with Tommy on this.
Beautiful concept - very peaceful :)

AlyFell
03-24-2005, 06:53 AM
Good morning! Yeah, me too! Putting my purple obsession aside, I have to agree the autumnal colours work best!

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 07:46 AM
I'd like to put a vote in for the autmnul colours too!! (nice sketches BTW!!)

Velinov
03-24-2005, 07:55 AM
It will be nice to be choosed some worm colors, like autumn's.:) Really nice entry from you.

mack72
03-24-2005, 08:52 AM
Finally some sketches!:thumbsup: I think out of the coloured versions, I like the green one, since it looks very 'earthy'. A nice warm tone, inviting the viewer into the image. A good contrast to the darker, more foreboding image that was your grand space opera entry!

Sorry to have turned all art school on you there for a moment!

Looks like I am DEFINATELY gonna have to pull my finger out now!

Luke Mrozek
03-24-2005, 09:16 AM
Will be looking here for Your creation - good luck !!

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 09:21 AM
yeh autumn one is my fave too,if not that then the purple.

whiterat
03-24-2005, 01:36 PM
very enchanting....very well done....I´ll go with purple and add to the mix some orange and red as well.

That´s my opinion...

Miguel Pizzo
my contest thread:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222467

Tariq12
03-24-2005, 01:43 PM
Jason, Your ART is UNBELIEVABLE !! It's gonna be great to watch your process and progress.

Will be watching with Awe !

All the best in the challenge.
T.

My Master & Servant :
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222506

anilduran
03-24-2005, 02:15 PM
hi man....
good luck, well come....

JasonChan
03-24-2005, 02:26 PM
Thanks for all of the input guys. It sounds like most like the Autumn one followed by the Purple one.

But, I think I'm going to play around with some more compositions before settling with this one. Everything in it is a little bit static right now. I want something more gracefull if I'm going to make something beautiful. Don't know how I'm going to do it yet, but that's half the challenge :)

For me, the hard part is coming up with the perfect idea that keeps me inspired throughtout the painting process. The painting itself is just fun execution.

choptider
03-24-2005, 03:24 PM
very poetic picture!
you should take some warm color like brown, you put lot of cold color in you drawing.

Tranchefeux
03-24-2005, 04:04 PM
Good beginning, I like, on the level color my preference goes on the 3

Good luck for the continuation.

pushav
03-24-2005, 04:31 PM
nice composition. I like the one with the green background better.

Wussie
03-24-2005, 04:32 PM
great concept! love the color schemes, especially the 3rd one, gives somewhat of an autumn athmosphere :D
keep it up!

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 04:34 PM
nice composition. I like the one with the green background better.

:eek:

OUTCAST!!! shame on u!.

autumn autumn!!

oh man i like em all,i dunno.

W-I-L
03-24-2005, 07:10 PM
nice start . . . ike the idea.will watch how u work with great interest

PatternRecognition
03-24-2005, 07:34 PM
I might be a minority here, but I absolutely adore the purple one!
Those colors are just.. enchanting *drools all over keyboard*

MDN67
03-24-2005, 08:05 PM
Good concept evil, i prefer the blue atmosphere

JasonChan
03-24-2005, 08:57 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111701446_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111701446_large.jpg)

Ok, here's another idea:

Here's a girl who was magically transported into the Mystic Woods. While wandering around the woods looking for a way home she come upon a Unicorn. The unicorn, with her magic horn, sensed that the girl was of a Pure Heart. Because of this, and after hearing the poor girls story, the Unicorn pledged her loyalty to the girl and became her faithful servent. On their journey, they come upon a goblin tinkerer. Unlike his mischievious kin, this particular goblin is completely obsessed with gadgets and gizmos. When the girl shows him her wrist watch, he is fascinated and promises to travel with her and help her in anyway he can so long as she tells him of the machines of her world. And so the three (and the turtle) travel the Mystic Woods having all sorts of adventures while trying to find a way to send the girl back home.

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 09:06 PM
nice story,sounds like the makings of a masterpiece.

teknotek83
03-24-2005, 09:07 PM
I have a feeling this will be the concept you go with. It's so "Jason". :-p. I like this one a lot!

digital-bobert
03-24-2005, 09:15 PM
i like how you drew the girl in black. alot of emotion

JasonChan
03-24-2005, 09:38 PM
I kind of like this story better than just a summoner. But how is the composition working so far? Do you think that this piece follows the theme clearly enough?

Rhenia
03-24-2005, 09:39 PM
Love the story concept. You can go really far with it, but I am not sure that we get the storyline from the image alone. Without knowing the story the characters just appear as friends on their merry way. I don't get the whole "servent feeling" going on. I must say I liked your last concept more. I got the idea of your work with one glance without explaination. I can't wait to see what you decide to go with. You will make it work no matter what you choose. :)

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 09:49 PM
Reeeeally nice concept jason, but i think the 'Master and servant' theme gets lost because there's three of them... and there's no clear heirarchy. Particularly if you take the image alone (without your text). I don't necessarily think that an image should shout 'Master and Servant' (although i think the winning piece will... if that's your motivation) but without any accompanying text this one wouldn't make me think there was a master or servant... Know what i mean...?

Still could be a lovely image though...

But i'm sure you can work in the theme... if anyone can...

AlyFell
03-24-2005, 09:49 PM
Hehheh! The story makes me think of the 'Wizard of Oz'! If I was to make a suggestion about the composition on this idea; how about twisting the viewpoint to a more forward perspective, with the characters moving toward us. You could then, force the perspective a bit, and have the girl lean out from behind the Unicorn toward the lower characters. Not completely frontways, just a bit of a twist... does that make any sense? :shrug:

JasonChan
03-24-2005, 09:52 PM
That's true... This is more of a friend or companion image then servant... Back to the drawing board.

Maybe I can do an image of when one of her companions swears their loyalty to her... or something completely different :shrug:

jstardust
03-24-2005, 09:53 PM
I really like this new picture. One thing to think about is that when I first saw the picture (before reading your story), I thought that the goblin tinkerer was the master and the turtle was the servant. If the concept is centred around the girl and centaur then maybe you could alter the composition to emphasize that this is the important master/servant relationship in the scene.

Climax
03-24-2005, 09:59 PM
• 2D is allways hot, great start! :thumbsup:

element5
03-24-2005, 11:01 PM
sweet idea... looking forward to updates.

jmBoekestein
03-24-2005, 11:15 PM
I love all these mushy ideas!!!

It makes me want to change mine right away into a nice good old happy story, very cool!:thumbsup:

pushav
03-24-2005, 11:18 PM
nice prelim digital sketch.

offbeatworlds
03-25-2005, 12:27 AM
I like the older idea better. There's more interest created by the portal that the summorer girl has created, as well as her centaur aid doing her hair. It seems more master-servant than the new one. Don't get me wrong, I like it. I just prefer the idea of the other one better.

lotaH
03-25-2005, 01:21 AM
The last sketch é very good!!

Good luck!!:thumbsup:

JasonChan
03-25-2005, 06:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111735838_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1111735838_large.jpg)

Here's another idea:

It's basically an evil woman breaking a unicorn's will to make it her loyal servent.

What do you guys think? Does it look too much like my machine flesh?

nebezial
03-25-2005, 07:07 AM
This one rocks, seriously, i love your sketch , but when my girlfriend sees your work she is gonna go gaga. :drool:

teknotek83
03-25-2005, 07:51 AM
it doesn't looks like your machineflesh, but the choking element does tie the two images together. i think there's some psychological analysis in order, here. :-p the image definetely shows a "master and servant" feel, but it seems kind of empty at this stage. very interesting and violent concept. :twisted:

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:02 AM
The struggling female sorta resembles your machine flesh, but I doubt if that will matter too much. Play around with it some more, I like the compisition of this one, makes me want to work harder.

duddlebug
03-25-2005, 08:10 AM
This is great Jason... love it! There's a much better sense of 'Master and Servant'. And the composition (with the angle of view and the curved trees) is just great!!

And knowing your technical skills i think it'd look fantastic finished...

NOOB!
03-25-2005, 08:34 AM
as much as i like it,u have seemed to drift into the dark vibe that i thought u weren't gunna do.its only similar to ure gso in the way of darkness.

i prefered the enchanting type drawing circles casting servants blah.
up 2 u.

coCoKNIght
03-25-2005, 08:54 AM
Hi, loved your serpent-king image, would have fitted it perfectly... personnally I love the concept with the pure hearted girl, but your last concept is maybe your strongest / the one that fits best to the theme. All the best!

Arctis
03-25-2005, 09:31 AM
hey Jason, I think you've caught something interesting in your last sketch !
maybe the black girl's back could be a little more binded, just to have her head more distant from the unicorn's head.
Good luck, I'll follow your progress.

W-I-L
03-25-2005, 09:41 AM
yes..this is more relebant to the theme i would say. Although at some point u should so the enchanted creature story becuase its really nice....

Maybe this is a bit like ur machine flesh . . . enchanted creature being opressed byh something purely evil . . . and it kindas looks the smae colour wise, but i really like it still. maybe if u change genders.... maybe the centaur can be a man .. . or even reverse the whole thing and have the good centaur opressing the evil being.

AlyFell
03-25-2005, 09:47 AM
Very strong composition! I think this is probably the best, but in a sweetshop surrounded by your favourite chocolate it's difficult to choose... I think they could all work! It's not enough like your MachineFlesh entry to matter at all... Smashing! :)

NinjaA55N
03-25-2005, 09:49 AM
Knowing ur perfect technique, that pic will look awesome for sure, but a bit empty what concerns the story. Two equally beautifull women bodies or just faces will fight for viewers attention, so I think there wont bo enough power and contrast in this piece... But thats just my opinion.

MDN67
03-25-2005, 10:51 AM
Wooow, i prefere the last sketchs it has an enormous potential, if you have the others concept in head proposes, but the last one is ecellent, I would like to see it devellop:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

JasonChan
03-25-2005, 02:43 PM
Thanks for all of the feedback, guys. I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with this concept, though. Still has some problems, like some of you pointed out, but atleast I'm back on track with the theme... I'll keep it as a maybe. I just want to find that perfect idea/composition... I really put too much pressure on myself when it comes to these contests :sad:

AlyFell
03-25-2005, 02:54 PM
You do realise that if you keep coming up with ideas like this, there won't be any left in the 'ideas bin' for anyone else...Lol! ;)

offbeatworlds
03-25-2005, 02:58 PM
This concept is better than the last one, but I still prefer the first one you came up with. It just seems more original. :hmm:

flyingP
03-25-2005, 02:58 PM
I really put too much pressure on myself when it comes to these contests :sad:

just lay back and have some fun with it for a bit then, there's plenty of time to come up with a killer, although that one could well have some potential :)

MoonVisionStudio
03-25-2005, 05:15 PM
Nice concept and angle, looking forward to following this thread!

Squibbit
03-25-2005, 06:26 PM
with this post i put linda berkqvist on the 3rd page, lol

Alden
03-25-2005, 06:38 PM
Wow I really like the motion in this image. Great work.

So did the unicorn try to help the girl in this one too? Only the girl is like "HA! GOTCHA!"

AirbORn
03-25-2005, 06:51 PM
Great concepts so far! The lighting and character designs look promising, keep it up!

Art2
03-25-2005, 06:56 PM
Hi Jason,

I like your last sketch. But maybe not put the Girl on the unicorn's back.
I would make it more like a face to face fight between the two. Like a cowboy who just caught this Mustang with his lasso, Horse is kicking and jumping, cowboy standing firm and smoking a Marlbo... forget that last bit :)
The Master and Servant relation could be expressed by the diffrence in expression.
Unicorn looking scared and in wild panic, the girl scared but confident to become the master of the creature.

punklover
03-25-2005, 10:39 PM
hi jason , i prefer defenitly the newest concept , it has a great impact more than the first one , and i want to tell you that you are one of the best artist here , so keep the amazing work :thumbsup:

CarlCampbell
03-25-2005, 10:52 PM
Hi Jason! Big fan of your work! Love the concepts for this contest both written and drawn. Best of luck and will follow your progress definately!

peterpop88
03-26-2005, 02:06 AM
new concept 1 - old concept 0. Stick to this new idea, it's dynamic and full of energy. That splashing of the water if done well will look great especially with the lighting you've chosen. I see nice moonlit highlights in the water.

ymy
03-26-2005, 06:07 AM
The both ideas look great, but I personally like the original idea a bit better. My two cents.

Look forward to seeing it's progression. :buttrock:

taz23
03-27-2005, 08:03 AM
Super concepts man, I don't know witch of the concepts work better but I belive you'll come up with something great like always :bounce:

eclipson
03-27-2005, 08:05 AM
Another Cool Gothic art, Love ur machineflesh artwork man, look forward eagerly to the colouring progress,

GoodLux!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

yznah
03-27-2005, 08:46 AM
ow this last concept is really groovy. the design of your unicorn is great^^ i prefer this one than your first concpets. the picture is not straight and the composition/characters are more interesting. this is boring to see pictures where characters do _nothing_ ^^

rawgon
03-27-2005, 11:08 AM
Hi, beautifull drawings!:eek: they carry a tremendous amount of storytelling, and your colors sketches are so good!
the last sketch got loads of emotion and movment, really good way to go...
I wish u the best luck.

cuppacam
03-27-2005, 11:13 AM
As always, your imagination and conceptualisation astounds me. Only a little like the machineflesh one and that only because of the closeness of the characters. otherwise about as close as brad and jen.

Squibbit
03-27-2005, 11:24 AM
yea dude u got awesome concepts tha u execute so well :bounce:

digiscape
03-27-2005, 11:31 AM
i like the idea on page 7 best :) only thing at the moment it needs the story to tell people whats going on, not that matters its still great artwork and idea :)

Tariq12
03-27-2005, 11:36 AM
Hi Jason, just subscribed to your thread. Your technique is fantastic . Can't wait to see where you go with this one.
Very best of luck.
T.
My Master & servant : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222506
My Web Site : www.tariqart.com
The Hunt : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=223753
The Kid : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=223787
Battle Angel : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=203795&page=1&pp=15&highlight=battle+angel
:applause:

dominicqwek
03-27-2005, 06:52 PM
Hey jason, just wanted to pop in to say I really dig your artwork and concepts. They have a very unique flavour to them. Some of which I plan to model in 3d some day. I like the unicorn and the little girl concept a lot, but I feel it's lacking the relationship between a master and a servant. It would be nice to see the unicorn doing something for the girl, perhaps passing her some food or water, something like that, to show the concern and care for the girl. The girl should still be riding on the unicorn. The little goblin is a nice touch too, maybe you could have him look like he is selling some kinda food or drinks to tie the link. Maybe he has bags of food and stuff, sorta like a mobile food stall or something.

Nice stuff man.

Kragh
03-28-2005, 01:33 PM
Hi ....nice technique you got there, I like your drawing style a lot. Only thing is the unicorn...which in my believing isn´t a unicorn....it´s some sort of mix between a unicorn and a centaur. But that´s a battle on words, not really an issue here. Maybe it´s a unitaur...:)

I´ll follow this

jmBoekestein
03-28-2005, 02:09 PM
Now I'm hooked!

This is the third concept I've seen from you and I liked them all!!!

:scream:

edit: could be really dramatic to combine this one with the other idea of the girl lost in the forest, she could be running after them desperately trying to help them. the gnome on the ground bumped over and such. Seems to fit right in when I imagine it.

W-I-L
03-28-2005, 04:40 PM
next update mate!!

JasonChan
03-28-2005, 04:41 PM
Thanks for all of the feedback, guys.

jmBoekestein: That's not a bad idea... I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with this Unicorn theme, but if I do, I might try adding the other characters in for more storytelling.

Kragh: Yeah, I'm using the term Unicorn loosely. I like your term Unitaur :)

dom: Yes, one of the reason's I'm still exploring ideas is because the theme isn't really expressed as strongly as it should be in these images. I'm looking for ways.

I'm still not sure where I'm going to go with this contest. It's not that I don't like the concepts I'm coming up with, it's just that I want to push this image to the next level for the contest. I might come back to these other ideas sometime in the future when I'm not competing :)

Anyway, I feel like I'm coming down with a case of artist block :sad: I have some other work to get out of the way first, anyway. Maybe a break will refresh my imagination.

W-I-L
03-28-2005, 04:43 PM
TELL ME ABOUT IT! i have that artists block right now... flooded with ideas but cant pick any cos waiting for the right one....

dominicqwek
03-29-2005, 09:04 AM
It depends how strong you want it to be. Perhaps you might want to introduce an antagonist or something like that. However, I personally feel that that is overdone, the angry mean and evil creatures doing something..well...something bad or evil.. It'll be really interesting if you could bring out the theme whilst maintaining that sweet and innocent look as seen in that image with the goblin merchant.

I hope you get that great idea of yours soon.

bonestudio
03-29-2005, 09:12 AM
Hey Jason great great great to se you competiting again :)

Never understood why you didn't won the last..... You were the best by far in my opinion.

Your unicorn idea is a good idea but I think you can push it further, to make the idea of master/slave more subtil.

Can't wait to see your next ideas :)

R-K
03-29-2005, 12:03 PM
wow! that latest concept is cool - very good action and composition! I don't even dare to see rest of your concepts :buttrock:

JasonChan
03-29-2005, 02:59 PM
Thanks guys.

bonestudio: Thanks! Yeah, I think the good vs evil might be too much. I'm still trying to figure this out. Seeing everyone esle so far into their pieces is making me nervous.

dom: I'm thinking that maybe I should do something without an evil character. I used evil characters for my last two contests and it would be nice to do something different this time around. That's why I started my ideas in that direction, but in the end I just fell back on the old formula... Must be strong and resist!

W!L: Exactly my problem! I had this problem with the Space Opera as well. I don't think I stuck with an idea until I had like a couple weeks left until the deadline. But for some reason the Machineflesh one was my first idea. I was hoping for instant inspiration this time around, but no luck.

Squibbit
03-29-2005, 03:07 PM
bwahah , gerbil nervous , that is funny !

dude u got the concept, a typically cool , original idea,
what we've used to expect from you. Now you just
finish this pic. If a better - :surprised - idea comes to you later,
you got this one ready as backup , or you just finish
this one after the contest.

AlyFell
03-29-2005, 03:11 PM
The thing is there is no rush... we're only a week into this, and depending on how fast you work, there's no need to go with an idea that doesn't really grab you! It's fun watching thought processes anyway, and seeing ideas come and go... As Squibbit says, you could work on this fab idea for the time being... I'm suffering from colour block at the moment anyway... :hmm: I keep tweaking line, when I should be slapping down some tonals!

eupee
03-29-2005, 03:12 PM
im not really feeling the last concept, i like the second one, it feel wholesome that there on adventures and that. Are you going to do more concepts???

shyamshriram
03-29-2005, 04:47 PM
Hey master bro ! great going ! best luck :thumbsup:

yanimator
03-29-2005, 07:31 PM
I'm liking the latest update. the struggling that's taking place makes it more interesting for me. The upshot works very nicely too.

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 07:37 PM
this is all a setup.....artist block my glutamus maximus


he is secretly working on a masterpiece and he will destroy us ALLLLLLLL!!!






ALLLLLLLLLL!!!

Arc80
03-29-2005, 11:43 PM
Goodluck on your piece dude.

Samuraikuroi
03-30-2005, 12:14 AM
Very nice stuff!!! love the way you work, and your website. :thumbsup:

SuperMario
03-30-2005, 02:30 AM
This seems like its going to be a great piece of work.
I haven't been here long but I'm quickly becoming a fan.

__________________________

"Men are like mirrors...they reflect what they see." -Steven Barnes

LouisBrowne
03-30-2005, 01:48 PM
I think the concepts are just as strong as each other, and it comes down to preferance - if you like action over cuteness. If your unsure, I wouldn't go with any of them and I think you should keep drawing-out ideas untill one slaps you in the face and you know it's the one!

Dominus
03-30-2005, 04:18 PM
very nice ideea, good luck! ;)

fooxoo
03-30-2005, 04:51 PM
OOoooo ooooOOoooooooo, How come I missed this one?! *subscribing* Latest shetch? - very interesting! Cant wait to see where you take it, best of luck!

THE Wizard
04-01-2005, 02:23 PM
Hmmm, sweet... I'd defenetly add a whip in the raiders right arm, perhaps a fire burning whip of chains, and that would shurley enchanched your idea of slavery (chains) and forced against her will (fire-whip)... Thou, on the other hand you might hate an idea....

MyMaster&ServanT2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

jmBoekestein
04-01-2005, 02:25 PM
Well Evil_gerbil,

gotta say I'm suffering alongside you. I have all these funthings to do, but I can't get my head straight on them. It's gonna be lowsy thumbnailing for the rest of the day I guess.

Hope you get back into it soon. Love your stuff.

Miyagu
04-01-2005, 03:05 PM
just found your thread by randomly picking one.. impressive work.. i really love the idea with the forced unicorn-centaur-girl! keep up the good work.. i´ll have an eye on this one:thumbsup:

Zephyri
04-01-2005, 03:19 PM
I really love all your concepts, I can see how you haven't settled on one thing yet! I really like the latest idea with the unicorn, but then I'm more partial to darker, dramatic images. I particularly like the dress you've hinted at on the evil woman. I look forward to seeing how you solve your image dilemma!

BloodTaster
04-01-2005, 04:12 PM
Hey Jason,
You are a great artist, and I know (whatever ideia you choose) its coming a great pic!!
So, just relax, and let de fun begins:scream: !
good luck!!

javaejderi
04-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Ave JAson,
Hey, who is more evil? me or you?

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 07:16 PM
Ave JAson,
Hey, who is more evil? me or you?

He is..:surprised (http://www.cgtalk.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#) Or Maybe I am :twisted:

TheFirstAngel
04-01-2005, 11:48 PM
nice start, looking forward to your progress. the yellow in the sky looks too heavy for me at the moment, but looks all over promising. Best luck and have loadsa fun
cheers

T-lapia
04-02-2005, 12:09 AM
i am just enjoying this whole process.

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 01:38 PM
..



are u dead?

:sad:

NinjaA55N
04-02-2005, 01:54 PM
Come out come out where ever u r :wip:

Aradiael
04-02-2005, 02:17 PM
I'm really curious to see with what you come off this time, you're entry in the machine flesh challenge was my favorite.:thumbsup:
I will keep an eye on this thread:D

emrahelmasli
04-03-2005, 03:07 AM
Hey jason! you're going great mate! keep it up! gonna keep an eye on this thread..awesome!

teknotek83
04-03-2005, 03:58 AM
Jason should be back soon, you guys. He is wrapping up his share of work on the soon-to-be-released Matchstick Monsters (http://www.matchstickmonsters.com) book among many other projects. I'm just as anxious as you all are on what he's going to do with this challenge. I'm sure our impatience will pay off :p

am7
04-03-2005, 01:08 PM
Hi jason! You'r concepts are looking great as always! Can't wait to see what the results of this may be!

sgw
04-04-2005, 01:10 AM
Ooo.. this has got to be one of my favorites. Love the perspective too.

Tommy Lee
04-04-2005, 11:09 AM
If it was me, I would go with the last one. Very powerfull and to the point!:thumbsup: But I just sit back and will wait what you are going for, I know I will love it anyway:D

Cheerz

Tom

TheFirstAngel
04-05-2005, 03:06 AM
Hey Jason... still waiting for that update...
:) uhm, oh, and officially goodluck and loadsa fun.
go Jason Go GO GO!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Climax
04-05-2005, 03:16 AM
• I like how they look! I didn't see your machineflesh entry ,but this sure promise to be a great image! keep it up pal!

Reapse
04-05-2005, 04:44 AM
Hey, I love your style, and seen you around various places, gfxartist, ca.org, etc. Good luck with this contest, Im far behind you too... ugh again, no chance for me... too much talent here.

BaronImpossible
04-05-2005, 10:50 AM
I'll keep my eye on this. Beautiful concept, very naturally sketched, and remembering some of your other artwork I know it's gonna be good!

JasonChan
04-05-2005, 03:49 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1112716177_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1112716177_large.jpg)

Okay, I think I may finally have my concept. Here it is:

Wish

There was once a peaceful kingdom full of color and warmth. And in this kingdom lived a musician, a girl, who knew nothing but happiness. Her happiness grew when her true love proposed to her and her wedding was the most wonderful day that the land had seen in ages.

Then, one day, war arrived on the kingdom’s doorstep. One by one the neighboring kingdoms had fallen at the hands of a growing empire. It was only a matter of time before the girl’s homeland was conquered as well.

Determined to protect his wife, the girl’s husband decided to leave for war. As a parting gift, her husband picked a perfect lotus petal from the pond and placed it in her hair. To her he said, “So long as this lotus is alive, you will know that I am safe.” With that, her kissed her and left with the setting sun. The girl held calm as her husband departed, but the tears came and she wept when he had crossed the horizon, for she knew that the fight would be a hopeless one and her love would be lost.

A year had passed and lotus had not wilted. Day after day she wore the flower in her hair and day after day she prayed and looked to the horizon, playing her music to bring her lover home. News had arrived that the war was not fairing well and her worries only grew. One night, while alone in her bed, the girl remembered a fairy tale her grandmother had once told her. There was a pond in the woods that could only be found when the moon was full. In that lake lived a spirit that was lonely and sad. If someone could bring peace to that spirit, then it would come forth and grant them a single wish.

Determined to bring her lover home, the girl left for the woods on the next full moon. After hours of wandering, she came upon a shimmering pond that seemed to glow in the moonlight. Convinced that this was the pond that her grandmother had spoken of, the girl perched herself on a rock and began to play her music. All of her sadness and all of her hopes flowed through her fingers and through her instrument. She wailed and sang and all of her being became song. Before long, a beautiful woman in flowing robes appeared before the girl.

“You sing so beautifully yet your soul is so full of sorrow. It comforts me to know that others understand the suffering that I feel so deeply. You have lifted the curse of sorrow that I have placed upon myself. I will grant you one wish, child, for showing me that this sorrow is simply a part of life.”

“I wish to see my husband again.”

With that, the spirit smiled sadly and said to her softly, “You will.” Then as the morning sun rose from the east, the spirit faded away, finally free of her earthly turmoil…

_ _ _ _ _

That's all for now. If you took the time to read it, thanks. The image takes place when the spirit appears and tells her that she will grant her a wish. Your thoughts are welcome.

AlyFell
04-05-2005, 03:59 PM
Excellent! A true concept! I think this sounds like the one Jason! You make it live with the story. :D I can't wait!

teknotek83
04-05-2005, 04:06 PM
Very nice twist on the traditional genie story. It has a lot of culture embedded into it (which we haven't seen much of any challenge) and it gives a great opportunity for you to really put in some facial expressions. I really hope to see some vivacious colors in this one.

Good job, Jason. You seem to have found a very solid concept. Time to rest, right? :D

JasonChan
04-05-2005, 04:26 PM
Thanks guys. It won't really effect the image, but I'm thinking of changing the story a little.

I'm thinking the spirit should tell her story of her tragedy and how she drowned herself in that pool and became cursed to stay there for eternity. Then the girl will realize that the sadness she feels is not a punishment for her and her lover, but something that everyone goes through and is a part of life. Realizing this she uses her one wish to free the spirit from her eternal torment. Greatful, the spirit will warn her that when that lotus wilts, be it from war or old age, not to repeat the mistake the spirit made and go on living. Remembering that her husband went off to war to protect her in the first place, she agrees. Then the spirit will disapear with a smile on her face for the first time in a thousand years.

Or soemthing like that.

NOOB!
04-05-2005, 04:27 PM
hey jason! that sketch is looking very nice,especially the genie character,i'm diggin the long hair,and the whateva shes wearing.

where are u goin background wise??

hahaa maybe put a dark small figure in that back out of focus,that cud be her husband.

W-I-L
04-05-2005, 04:32 PM
VERY NICE CONCEPT.. and i can see the sketch coming alive whenb you start painting . . . well done.. can not wiat ot see more.. you are one of my favs!

teknotek83
04-05-2005, 04:51 PM
One other thing I wanted to mention is that I really love the fact that this story has a moral to it. A very versatile concept, Jason. Great stuff! :beer: (root beer)

JasonChan
04-05-2005, 06:22 PM
Thanks guys. But do you think it sticks to the theme enough? The girl is temporarily the master of the spirit because she played a song the moved the spirit. The spirit is then compelled to grant a wish, much like a genie. I don't know if I put enough emphasis on that.

circumlocutious
04-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Thanks guys. But do you think it sticks to the theme enough? The girl is temporarily the master of the spirit because she played a song the moved the spirit. The spirit is then compelled to grant a wish, much like a genie. I don't know if I put enough emphasis on that.
Dude, I'm thinking making it a double meaning, if you can: The spirit forced to grant the wish, and the girl a slave to her desire to see her husband.

guga3008
04-05-2005, 06:32 PM
Man... u always impressing us... Can´t hardly wait to see it in colours!

calisto-lynn
04-05-2005, 06:57 PM
great style!! i like it a lot!!:bounce:

THE Wizard
04-05-2005, 10:24 PM
OK, let me say first, that your machineflesh tortured soul, was my favorite, and still is... But this... It's gonna be blast! I just love your coloring and feel for the light and ambient... I'm gonna watch this... wath good

About a story - Well I have a feeling that a WISH spell is kind of master here... Hear me out... The girl wants to see her husband, but can only be achieved thro *genie*'s wish, therefore girl is a slave of her desire, which can only be broken with wish! On the other hand *genie* is a slave to both girl and wish spell 'couse the wish is only thing that holds here's and girl's bound togeather! (I don't know if this makes any sense, couse my English is not at it's best when it comes to explain things) Anyhow keep it up!

GOOD LUCK!

cgkrusty
04-06-2005, 01:23 AM
Wonderful....

Sorta Mulan-esque?

Can't wait to see this realized...

:bounce:

taz23
04-06-2005, 07:56 AM
This last sketch is great dude! Let's see more! More! :thumbsup:

bonestudio
04-06-2005, 04:04 PM
I think your story fits to the contest. It's a nice story is it all from you or it's inspired by some chinese tales ?

Anyway your sketche depict it very nicely, even if I think you could play more with the space. They are a bit too much on the same plan... I think you have your final idea, don't think anymore :) It's time for doing a piece as cool as your machinflesh one, but with more sensibility this time

tilite
04-06-2005, 06:03 PM
this is a great concept... the emotions drawn from the image shall be great and it fits the challange's description nicely. i can only imagine the colours and lighting possible in a sceen like this.

get to work this is going to be awesome.
ill be visting reguarly.

edt:just read the previous page... dont change the story... ur new story takes value away from the image. i know it doesnt effect the image... but it will affect whoever reads it's perception of the image. definetly dont change the story.

also u asked it the link between master and servant is strong enough... it is there and its witty, the judges are sure to pick up on it and realise its connection. its a great piece

paulwdavidson
04-06-2005, 06:45 PM
It's a lovely concept. I like the composition....very classic......I like it a lot. It'll suit your style really well. I can see the finished piece in my head already.


Get cracking

Good luck

Paul

Squibbit
04-06-2005, 06:47 PM
finally an udpate! nice sketch, but that other pic was sooo
oo oooo original . o well , u can paint that other at another time

artjunkie
04-06-2005, 11:02 PM
Goddamnit, man... (sniff, sob)... just wanted to see what the hell you decided to work on and you gotta go ahead and make me cry with that heartwrenching story of yours! Sniff, sniff...

Seriously, though... great story. You make that up or is it based off a myth or something? Awesome. Great sketch too... has a bit of a classic feel to it. Really looking forward to seeing you develop this one. I will await your updates...

Cheers!

JasonChan
04-06-2005, 11:32 PM
Thanks for all of the feedback, guys!

THE Wizard: Yes, I suppose there are a lot of metaphorical master and slave elements going on :) I wasn't sure if those counted or not. I'm glad you guys think it does hehe.

bonestudio: I'm definitely going with this idea. Time to stop messing around, everyone else seems like they're almost done!

Squibbit: I liked that one too, but it wasn't what I was really looking for in this contest. Too many dark images lately... But maybe I'll pick it back up later, like you said.

artjunkie: Not any myth in particular. I'm terrible at creating short stories unless they are told like a myth. My Machineflesh was told like a myth as well. This one, though, I had some help from my girlfriend. Good to bounce ideas off of people :)

I'll update with a color comp or a more detailed drawing soon. Just trying to get some commission work and school stuff out of the way.

Goro
04-06-2005, 11:36 PM
yey! I love all your concepts. The last one was very dynamic. Love your new concept too!
You can go crazy with the lighting and stuff. Also very convincing facial expressions.
Just awesome!

Can't wait to see more!

Squibbit
04-07-2005, 06:45 AM
Too many dark images lately...

sweet, I been thinking that too... in a general sense, very
pleased to see some change :thumbsup:

offbeatworlds
04-07-2005, 01:22 PM
Ooo...I really like the concept and the story. Nice composition too. Can't wait to see more. I think you should definitely go for this idea.

Einar
04-07-2005, 09:05 PM
Great concept and a fantastic story behind it! The composition works exremely well, so I hope you stick with this one. Can't wait for the rest!

choptider
04-07-2005, 10:18 PM
at last you get back to the challenge!

JasonChan
04-08-2005, 05:36 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1112938603_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1112938603_large.jpg)

I'm trying to nail a rough color comp before I go into doing the final line drawing. What do you think?

teknotek83
04-08-2005, 06:05 AM
looking great, jason. the only thing i think worth mentioning is that there's a lot of space on the top. but then again, you have a beautiful setting, so it wouldn't hurt to see an extra bit of it :p. keep going. worst case scenario, you can crop :D

NOOB!
04-08-2005, 06:37 AM
yeh there is allot space on top,still looks great though,maybe the characters cud be a tad larger.

AlyFell
04-08-2005, 07:01 AM
I have to admit I like the open composition. With character work it's sometimes tempting to concentrate primarily on the figures, but here you're giving space to the environment which is a strong part of the story you're telling. And the picture works very well with the balance of the characters slightly off centre and the large tree behind. This is smashing Jason! You hardly even need to do a line drawing really! So you're finished then! :)

nebezial
04-08-2005, 07:13 AM
i personally like it, i think that it misses the yellowish orage to accentuate some elements coz the background still lacks the vividness. but hey, i sa ur previous works, so im sure that u got a heck of a composition planned:thumbsup:

kornel
04-08-2005, 08:45 AM
great Jason!

You catch the peaceful and nice moment... in beautiful garden!

keep on posting, cheers: Kornél

(sorry for my english)

Arctis
04-08-2005, 10:38 AM
I'm trying to nail a rough color comp before I go into doing the final line drawing. What do you think?

I think it can be a wonderful scene, full of poetry BUT it will depends on how you will detail it.
Good luck, man, I'll keep an eye on it.

monsitj
04-08-2005, 10:42 AM
your image stand out in the entry page !! nice lay out ,and great color !,I really love oriental style! and I think chinese landscape and your painting skill will make this piece come out perfect !

CoreyArtE
04-08-2005, 11:51 AM
Omg jason! Why are you always forcing me to work harder! DARN YOU! This piece, especially the background is extremly amazing! * Corey angry and distrub rushes to his tablet and turns on painter and begains to draw like a madman *

I personaly dont like it croped..I love the background and think it should show..It would be cool if you made some kind of exagerated reflection in the water of the master and servant...

ms@zx
04-08-2005, 11:59 AM
nice going jason~with anticipation and curiously waiting for what its gonna turn out to be..just a thought,i think the gal with the chinese musical instrument(pipa?)i dont know what to call that thing~:Dher right arm could be in a resting post,she seems like she's still playing with it,u may ignore the suggestion if the thats the intention u want:)i love that oriental fairy character design with a nice graceful movement to it,this is gonna be a kick ass piece!:thumbsup:

Zephyri
04-08-2005, 12:28 PM
I've loved every one of your concepts, looking back through this whole thread again. The latest one is a wonderful take on the genie idea, the design of the spirit is gorgeous, I love the flow of her kimono style sleeves and the slightly awed expression of the girl playing. Only thing I notcied on first glance, (though it becomes much clearer the longer you look at it), and of course bearing in mind this is just a concpet rough, is that the lines of the bridge and the back end of the spirt seem to merge, but that may be down to the similar colour you've used in the leaves of the tree. Other than that, its looking like it could be a winner!

walrus
04-08-2005, 12:56 PM
I like this new concept, Jason. The expression on the girl's face is wonderful even now, and will no doubt only improve with time. And I like that the shot isn't close in, that you've allowed the setting to tell part of the story too. That being said, I kind of agree with Teknotek about there maybe being too much space... only for me it strikies me that the left hand side feels a bit unnecessary at the moment. It could be cropped, or the red misty "tail" could be brought to the left side a bit more just to take up the space a bit. I like the open space, but with nothing foreground there at all, I feel like it makes it look a little off-center. But maybe that's just me. Either way, can always crop later. Can't wait to see your refinements on this one. Have fun...!

-mike

tilite
04-08-2005, 03:31 PM
i think those colours are fantastic... they work extremly well. im not usually into composition so open but this works... well its perfect, i dont think i would let u change it...lol (really i know where u live:twisted: )great work... i love it
hanging on for the details and connot wait

JasonChan
04-08-2005, 03:34 PM
Thanks for all of the feedback. I'm hearing mixed feelings about the composition being so open. Maybe once there's some detail in the image and more solidity to the background, it'll be easier to judge whether I should crop or rearange any elements. Now that I'm looking at it with a somewhat fresher eye, I think part of what makes the image look like it's crammed in the right is the red tree. It's touching the trail of the spirit making them one massive red shape. At anyrate, i'll make sure it feels right when I'm painting. I can always crop, like you guys said.

Robin: Yeah, I have a lot of negetive space on top, but I think all of the negative space adds to the tranquility of the image. When it was closer cropped, it felt more contained and tense. This feels more serene and dreamlike to me.

NOOB!: I might try making them a little bit larger, but not too much.

Poshspice: Thanks :) I kind of miss doing closeups on characters, though... It seems like all I've been doing lately are full body shots and large backgrounds. I need to do a portrait or something again... But anyway, these aren't necessarily how the characters are going to look. I'm going to get them more refined and maybe work on their design some before I go into my real colors.

nebezial: Right, I still have a lot to do as far as color balancing and things go. Which brings up a good question. Cool light or warm light?

kornel: Thank you :)

Arctis: Yes, definitely. I'm planning on puting some nice details here and there. I guess it just depends on how much time I'll have to spend on this. It's unfortunate that the deadline is shorter and that it falls on my semester finals...

monsitj: Thank you. I was afraid the bright red and green would be a little strong, but I guess it does help to make the image stand out.

CoreyArtE: Always glad to keep you working :) Yes, I've kind of shyed away from backgrounds in the past, so now I'm not giving myself an excuse. But why the hell did I do something with so many leave? :sad: lol. I'll deffinitely be playing around with reflections in the water. I just don't want it to be distracting, is all.

ms@zx: You bring up a good point. I'll try some different poses with the instrument at rest. I guess it would either be she's not playing being too busy looking at the spirit, or she is playing, but hasn't seen the spirit yet. But I kind of want to really show the expression of awe, so I might just take your advice.

Zepyhri: Yeah, the tangent of the trail and the bridge doesn't sit that well with me either. I'll definitely address that when I go to finish.

walrus: I'm actually thinking that I'm not going to make the spirit quite as wispy as I have her in the rough. It'll be more like a lot of flowing cloth that just gets more and more transparent as it goes away from her. So there should be some more sleave and skirt material in the left. But if it still feels unballanced, I might crop.

Thanks everyone. But what do you guys think about lighting? Should I go with an overall warm sunny light or a cool twilight? The lantern the spirit is holding will make a small warm light around the characters.

walrus
04-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Jason - I'd worry that the warm light would make the piece too "happy." It might just as well be a ethereal teacher instructing a student on how to play the instrument better. Cooler lights might add a bit more drama. Plus I'm a sucker for warm characters on cool backdrops and vice versa. So that's my subjective thoughts on it! :-)
Good luck!

-mike

JasonChan
04-08-2005, 05:03 PM
That's a good point. There is an overall somber mood to the story and I guess a warm feeling would not the best way to illustrate that.

Slav
04-08-2005, 05:09 PM
hey there been a while since i have seen you around :) i am loving the sketches. this is going to be very nice! cant wait to see more.

goktugg
04-09-2005, 12:01 AM
different*interesting idea ! i like your concept. :thumbsup: looking good! nice sketchs*all
i'm looking forward to see your next update! good luck:)

Kraull
04-09-2005, 12:16 AM
Hi Jason
I must say your color palette have quite capture my eyes while surfing in the forums pages! Well, quite everything have been told so far I think. I'll go in the same position of others concerning the recroping, but I think you're right about your opinion concerning the space above the characters. It will be a fine and fun piece to work on! :buttrock:

Agent-Orange
04-09-2005, 12:24 AM
Lookin Good.

I like the glowy fire fly thingy on her.

The environment is looking good to ..

paulwdavidson
04-09-2005, 08:59 AM
Hi Jason, nice new concept. I'ts getting harder and harder to keep up with the larger threads like yours, and you often repeat what's already been written. I have'nt even worked on mine for four days (caught a bug, so my energy levels have been pretty low) but i'm getting back into it this weekend.

I like the space in your shot, because it isn't just about your characters in your story, it involves the world in which they live. Without losing the background, I would'nt 'crop', I would simply bring the characters a little closer. Regarding the colour and mood, I would make it cool hues.....dusk.....with this traditionally being a time of magic, plus, if there was a moon in the sky it could work as a nice device to have it reflecting in the water next to them, tying your eye to the characters, which would work in case you're worried about the viewers eye wandering around with so much background.

I hope i've made sense, my head is still a little fuzzy from this bug I have.

Anyway, good luck with this, i'm sure it'll be great.

Paul

element5
04-09-2005, 09:30 AM
Nice colour concept, has potentual for some nice water reflections. everything sits well with me :thumbsup:

Tris3d
04-10-2005, 09:15 AM
Nice looking idea so far! Agree with some of the others in terms of space around the canvas! Cant wait to see you update again! Good luck!

W-I-L
04-10-2005, 11:06 AM
looking carefully and there is nothing i want to crit... colours are very good and work well togther... This piece is very good and could be one of your best in my opinion..... the conection between the charaters is very good, even though you have a wide scope... cant wait to see it fin

Flatuloso
04-10-2005, 03:53 PM
I really like the 'hazy' feeling that the color suggests. I don't know if that was what you were going for, but if so I really hope to see some light mist over the water.

It could contrast really nicely with the light given off by the spirit's lantern. Using the yellow light from the lantern will work great in terms of highlights - but mostly in the figures as opposed to the background. I'm mostly thinking of the red dress, which ought to look great.

I'd agree with the suggestion to add more to the top of the composition. If you look, the spirit is, verticially, dead center, and it definitely shows. If you added maybe 50% or so of her height to the top I think that would work great.

I don't think your composition is too open at all, except possibly in the immediate foreground. The bottom right edge is pretty empty right now. It seems like it would be risky to put too much down there as it could distract the eye, however I imagine you'll probably want some reflections or at least something to keep that from becoming too much of a gap in the composition.

This is really lovely, and it distinguishes itself from most of the other entries in subject matter as well as color.

bonestudio
04-10-2005, 07:29 PM
Excellent color scheme !!! You surpised me, I didn't expected such an environment while looking at your sketch :) I think the perspective of the bridge is a bit odd even if it isn't very defined yet

camtheman
04-10-2005, 07:42 PM
cool, can't wait to see more...

my MS thread:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=227140

cabertevon
04-11-2005, 02:51 AM
Evil Gerbil goes oriental...Your piece is in great shape but i miss those dark and chaotic works of yours.

viag
04-11-2005, 02:56 AM
this is very nice , i like the mood of the pic !

feeesh
04-11-2005, 08:27 PM
Yay, happy to see our new idea for this challende. I really enjoyed your Machineflesh entry so Im lookinjg forward tothis one!

NIce idea, and I may be repeating whats been said before (dont have time to read EVERY response) but i just wanted to comment on the composition a bit. YEs there is alot of open space aroud the characters. COmpositionally I dont think it would matter, and would actually work very well for a regular illustration but given the theme, I wonder if it should be closer in on the characters since they are the important part for the competition. You could make it work though, you'll just have to be very careful in detailing your background to use that to lead the person's eye to those characters every way you can so they don’t get lost. Nice progress so far though, looking forward to more......

feeeeesh

spacesnail
04-11-2005, 08:49 PM
Great great great !
That's all:bounce:

twoheaded
04-11-2005, 09:14 PM
great concept jason. Being chinese myself, I can fully understand the beauty of this piece. Your drawing also shows your mastery of draftsmanship. Good stuff!

JasonChan
04-11-2005, 09:39 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113255595_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113255595_large.jpg)

Ok, I'm going to go ahead with this basic layout. I'm not going to use any more line art from here on out so I'll just call this my line art milestone.

I'm not sure if I'm going to keep the girl in white in the same pose or not...

CoreyArtE
04-11-2005, 09:53 PM
What!!! Your not going to paint over the line art section at a time like you normaly do ! Jason I grew to love that style ! AHhhh how could you ...How could you...!

I'm sure it'll look good though. And i'm curious to see how your paintings look when you just paint them without the line art guide

ozhaver
04-11-2005, 09:57 PM
You have just disarmed me. Beautiful flow of 'lines' and colors! My only critique at this point is the background light-grey-blue space, it makes a column with the female in white, and perhaps a stronger variation of its shape would be nice.

JasonChan
04-11-2005, 10:30 PM
CoreyArtE: Well, I still kind of am painting over line art since I did start with a line drawing. It's just that I normally find myself readjusting shapes so much that I don't end up with anything really sticking to the lines all too much. This happens a lot because my painting style is much more realistic than my line art style, which is more manga-esque.

oz haver: Good point about the blue negative space and the girl lining up. I'll be sure to adjust that so it isn't so strange looking. Thanks.

JasonChan
04-11-2005, 11:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113262071_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113262071_large.jpg)

Starting to paint the spirit for now. I'm considering whether or not I want to decorate her face and hair with makeup and jewels or if I want it more plain.

Tommy Lee
04-11-2005, 11:30 PM
What can I say... excellent!:applause:

monsitj
04-12-2005, 01:22 AM
yes , I agree , exellent!

JasonChan
04-12-2005, 01:56 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113270988_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5960/5960_1113270988_large.jpg)

Just starting the girl as well. I know I shouldn't get so caught up in the details so soon... but I can't help it. I need to see those faces come out or it's just going to bug me when I work on everything else.

jeromoo
04-12-2005, 02:04 AM
I suggest putting some jewelleries, however minimal, on the spirit and none on the servant. It will help to distinguish between the master and servant even better.

I love your concept and I think you have made a very good choice for this challenge.

ebrowning
04-12-2005, 02:48 AM
Wow- I don't look for a week and bam! This is going to be fantastic. Hey- I sent you a message, did you get it?