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Gamoron
03-22-2005, 04:27 PM
Todd A McCullough has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5953)

Latest Update: Final Image: Final Image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1115062681_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1115062681_large.jpg)

This is, I believe my final image. I may do some last minute tweaking before the very end. Hopefully it will be allowed. I'll show the process I used to accomplish this.

MDN67
03-22-2005, 04:39 PM
welcome tood and good luck:thumbsup:

Gamoron
03-22-2005, 07:40 PM
Thanks Dude. And just for clarity if anyone else is curious it's Todd!! ;)

Good luck to you too.

Tommy Lee
03-23-2005, 06:28 AM
Hey, hey, hey. Look who's here...:thumbsup:

Cheerz and good luck buddy. Can't wait for you first concepts....

Tom

Gamoron
03-23-2005, 02:11 PM
Hey Dude. They'll take awhile. I want to think this through a little. I'm coming up with all kindsof different ideas.

Gamoron
03-23-2005, 06:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111602710_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111602710_large.jpg)

I'm surprised. I'm happy with what I've come up with. It's very close to what I was envisioning in my head.

This is the concept that I will be working from.

Louieville
03-23-2005, 06:40 PM
I like the idea. I get a mix of a horror flick and something Tim Burton would come up with. Nice!

Gamoron
03-23-2005, 07:09 PM
Thanks Louieville! :beer: Its going to be dark and twisted hopefully.

theCloudmover
03-23-2005, 07:17 PM
A very NICE angle. I like how the childs arm is fore-shortened. It's as if she/he is begging the viewer for assistance.
I'll watch this one.

Gamoron
03-23-2005, 07:47 PM
Thanks cloudmover. I'll try to surprise you.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 08:01 PM
daaaH!! scary.

looking gud!!!

Gamoron
03-23-2005, 08:31 PM
:beer: thanks NOOB!

Tommy Lee
03-24-2005, 06:01 AM
Yeah... that looks very promising. I like the perspective and the mood you are going for:thumbsup:

Speaky
03-24-2005, 07:58 AM
Gamoron - When I first looked at it I wasn't too keen, but the darkness of the scene is really growing on me. It kind of reminds me of Gaiman's Sandman, in a really good way. Two things I'd say would be - the girls head seems too far back for the perspective, and also her hand is kind of inviting you in. If she was reaching out for help her palm might be better facing downwards. I know it's an early stage, but I thought I'd get stuck in!

Good luck man! :thumbsup:

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 02:40 PM
Thanks Tommy

@ Speaky - I think you're right about her head. It does look like it is sitting way back behind her body. I'll try scaling it up and moving down in the image. As for her hand I have an idea of what I'm going to do with that. Currently she really is asking for help. Well not exactly anyways. I have to develop it a little furhter. Thanks for the crits.

:beer:

Adamos
03-24-2005, 03:17 PM
Hey Todd!


Hey Dude. They'll take awhile. I want to think this through a little. I'm coming up with all kindsof different ideas.




... go ahead and upload your stuff if you've got more! We're interested! Nice going so far (at such an early stage proportions and perspectives are secondary matters imho (althuogh Speaky did have a point there. Sketch away fellow challenger!

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 03:23 PM
I would post more but I kind of nailed the direction I wanted right away. After post that second reply I lay in bed and thought about it and thought about yesterday morning and I liked the way the composition looked so I tried sketching it quick and it came out. The real work for me is going to start now as I try to incorporate the elements into the image that I'm thinking of. So more stuff to come but I'm sticking with this image. I think I'm going to print out the outlines of where the characters are and start doodling onto it to start getting other things in.

:beer: Cheers!

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 06:04 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111687479_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111687479_large.jpg)

I decided to just quickly draw over my colour sketch to give everyone an idea of where this is headed and to knock off this milestone.

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 06:05 PM
What do you think Speaky? Head okay?

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 06:07 PM
well i ain't speaky,but i think the hed looks fine.

and i love the eyes!

AirbORn
03-24-2005, 06:07 PM
Interesing compsition! :) I assume that the master is the girl holding the needle, but it doesn't strike me as much as it should I think. But overall I like it! I like her expression too! Keep up the great work.

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 06:11 PM
Thanks NOOB!

@ AirbORn - the girl isn't the master. However since you had trouble reading that, I guess I got my work cut out for me.

Thanks guys :beer:

pitiwazou
03-24-2005, 09:45 PM
I like the first sketch !

good luck for this challenge ;)

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 09:47 PM
:beer: pitiwazou. Keep smiling. ;)

bwong
03-24-2005, 09:51 PM
Neat stuff.. I wonder if you're going to keep the background as bright as you have it. Maybe have it moodier to go with your subject matter? Maybe it's too early to be critiquing that part of the image? I was just thinking you might add tons more atmosphere in there. I know you got it simple right now.. anyway.. just a suggestion.

Gamoron
03-24-2005, 09:54 PM
Thanks Brian. I hope to add a lot more objects to the scene. I'm enivisioning this as an alleyway bust. I'm not the greatest at minute details but I hope to do that in this piece. Fooling around with colour right now.

:beer:

Gamoron
03-25-2005, 06:20 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111774815_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111774815_large.jpg)

Started adding in basic colour. A lot of the green is placeholder. But this helps me set it up better will add more.

Kosmos
03-25-2005, 06:25 PM
I like the style and composition of picture. Im unsure however, is it going to be a fairly dark piece



Master and Servant

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=223447

Gamoron
03-25-2005, 06:29 PM
I hope for it to be dark in mood. I don't know how dark the image will actually be. I want this to be a summer evening scene. I'm going to try to have some good contrast going, which I'm very bad at.

:beer:

Gamoron
03-25-2005, 11:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111792390_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1111792390_large.jpg)

The image is getting flatter. Not what I want but atleast more of the base is coming in. WIP 2

Gamoron
03-25-2005, 11:34 PM
I just realized that currently my image is pretty ambiguous. I like that it is like that, but I also know that I'll have to explain this later. So for now I'll say that my image deals with the pressure of the media of the 21st Century on young impressionable teenage minds.

I trying to have many different elements of Master and Servant in this image. Abuse on Teens is one aspect of it, The long arm of the law another, as well as the master and servant relationship between the law and crime. I guess its a social critique.

I'll figure out what I'm trying to say for the end. I still have a few months to go afterall.

:beer:

Gamoron
03-29-2005, 09:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112132268_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112132268_large.jpg)

I fixed the perspective and added some more detail. I like this rough sketch fell that I've got going and I'd like to keep it as much as possible.

Gamoron
03-29-2005, 09:42 PM
I'm not sure if I'll keep the condom in her hand. I wanted it to show that the youth today are being driven more by sex marketing then My generation. However I don't want to give people the impression that I think safe sex is wrong. If kids are going to have sex younger today then they should use it.

Cerebr4l
03-29-2005, 09:51 PM
Interesting piece, looks like it will be pretty cool. Good luck!

Gamoron
03-29-2005, 10:06 PM
Thanks :beer:

Gamoron
03-29-2005, 10:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112134415_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112134415_large.jpg)

I wasn't happy with the lighting and contrast of my image. So I had to make a shadow map in order to get into the direction I feel I wanted to head in. I originally wanted a very blue image but this looks correct for the time of day which it is set in. I'm going to go from here and start tightening up the image as well as the idea behind it.

Arc80
03-30-2005, 12:22 AM
Good colours dude. Your piece is very painterly. I'm not too sure about the warm light.
I kinda dig the one with the cool light or brighter light source, because it kinda gave a good contrast with your dark idea about the media.

Goodluck,
Archie

Gamoron
03-30-2005, 12:52 AM
Thanks for replying so late Archie! Coulda used your input sooner! :D Well. I'm going to continue along with this path and see what comes from it. I can always bring in the older version and overlay it some how. Thanks for the crit dude. Cheers!
:beer:

Does anyone else have an opinion?

Gamoron
03-30-2005, 04:16 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112156165_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112156165_large.jpg)

I don't normaly do this. Actually when I notice other artists doing it, I always kind of smirk. I'm not sure why. Anyways, I decided to flip my image to see how it looked after doing some tweaks and was actually surprised by what I saw.

I guess because here in the west we read Left to Right, after flipping my image it actally came across to me as the viewer. Her hand now being raised on the left side of the page helps the flow better. The late day lighting of the sun seems to work better too.

I'm happy with this, and I'm going to keep it.

lanedaughtry
03-30-2005, 04:41 AM
Heh...

I do that all the time as a cheap way to get a fresh perspective on a piece. Its amazing the insights into both technical errors as well as possibilities for improvement something as trivial seeming as that can provide.

Still looking good.

-L

sloth79
03-30-2005, 04:52 AM
great colouring and composition. more details could be placed into the character behind... don't know if that would help as its alittle distracting to me now. anyways, would love to see the final look. ps, the eyes looks scarily cool... :thumbsup:

Tranchefeux
03-30-2005, 11:41 AM
Hi,
Your style is very original and the first colors are good, to
follow. :thumbsup:

Jezzarts
03-30-2005, 12:08 PM
Freaky style... I like it!

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 12:21 PM
Really interesting piece... subject matter and composition epsecially... And i like the strong colours and the darkness of the 'master'.

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 12:38 PM
hahah i luv it! keep goin!

gu
03-30-2005, 12:39 PM
Hi Gam,

Thatīs a very interesting concept, and the character expressions are so real, drammatic and sometime mysterious. It reminds me some Dave Mckean art.
Anyway it looks incredible.
congratulations for the first steps!Iīll follow it!

Gus

Gamoron
03-30-2005, 03:20 PM
Wow. Quite a few responces that time. Thanks guys.

@ lane_daughtry - I was pretty amazed at the change. I didn't think it would shift everything so much. I was looking at it for so long that after flipping it, I felt like I was looking through 3D glasses. Everything just jumped out differently.

@ sloth79 - I want to keep the back character as much like a silhouette as possible. Although I plan on doing more work on his face. I do plan on working on the girl's eyes and making them more human. But I do like big blank orbs. But it wasn't what I was shooting for with her.

@ Tranchefeux - Cheers! This current "technique" was inspired by illustrations made by people using Oekaki. I love that really simple, pixel look.

@ Jezzarts - Thanks. I'm trying to do something different then what I usually do.

@ duddlebug - I'm going to add more advertising elements to better illustrate my idea.

@ NOOB! - Thanks man! I'm not stopping now!

@ Gus_clifton - Although I wasn't trying to be like Dave McKean, I'm glad you think it reminds you of his work. I like his illustrations. They have a lot of power and depth. Cheers!

Beers for all!! :beer: (and if you don't drink give it to someone else :D )

Virtuoso
03-30-2005, 11:38 PM
Interesting composition and the colors are a bit strange,but look just right for this image.......I like the strange mood.Real nice skills.Thats funny about the image flip idea....I think a more dark pallette,just a tad more would be better suited.....the master's darkness is cool,it would be interesting to see him blend in with the BG a bit more.more dark and sinister......Either way,well done......:arteest:

Gamoron
03-31-2005, 03:37 AM
I like the idea of the background guy fading in a little more. Currently he's not as sinister as he could be. Though I'm still not so sure how sinister he should be. :surprised :D Anyways I hope to add some more to it sometime tomorrow, and work on the idea behind it some more.
:beer:

Rudeone
03-31-2005, 12:26 PM
Hey man, this is looking good! very interesting concept and great work this far! The composition and angle are just great and I like that sinister feel of it.

The latest flipped version looks better, weird huh how an image can change by just flipping it, mine usually look way of when I do this.

Keep em coming:thumbsup:

Gamoron
03-31-2005, 05:52 PM
Cheers! :beer:



Going to take a break for a bit from this. Feeling a bit sick today. Need to do some other things anyhow.

kaparo
03-31-2005, 07:58 PM
Hi Todd! Your idea is one of the best around. I like the way you have used perspective: we look at the girl from above but the dark character have his face at the same altitude of our eyes. I think... maybe some dark marks on her arm from the needles? I like the way the man looks. He is darker enough. Congrats! Good luck!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 08:01 PM
Woah sweet color scheme man! 3 thumbs up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Keep going!

Gamoron
03-31-2005, 10:12 PM
thanks kaparo. In a few days I'm going to come back to this and work in some more details. I'm thinking billboards and tvs. And she'll be getting some more work done too.
:beer:

@ CoreyArtE - thanks dude! :beer: :D

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 03:01 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112666502_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112666502_large.jpg)

Well here's a small update. I added a few things in the background and started toying with eyes on the girl in the foreground. I don't really like how they look, but they were meant as a quick test, so no harm done.

Didn't have very much time to work on this. Mainly submitting this to keep my thread alive and get a spiffy thumbnail!
:D

Arc80
04-05-2005, 12:04 PM
okay, this time i'm responding earlier, heehee.

Your background is looking nice. It has that sense of being an abstract cubism, i love it. It has this old traditional quality to it, but with a modern twist. Very cool dude.
Oh yeah, just watch out on some of the shard edges on your background. It's kind of loosing the sense of depth to your piece. You know, i really don't mind her eyes. It kind of feel like she watches too much TV and is brain wash by it. The add on props are great too. i'll be keeping up with your thread dude.

cheers,
Archie

am7
04-05-2005, 01:28 PM
This is looking awesome!! Perhaps it could be even cooler if you would use even more of a distorted perspective on the top (especially speaking of the man's head, it looks abit flat)? I mean, like looking through a glass bulb - bend the perspective angle down again on the top. So one would see the upper head on that person behind the girl, from a frog perspective POV., and as you have it the girls face from a bird perspective POV.

Just a suggestion that came into my mind, keep it up man! :)

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 02:39 PM
@ Arc80 - I plan on doing some work to the background soon. Read an article about using different line hardnesses for different materials, which I'd like to explore in this. And adding more background elements and details too. Just looking for a part-time job right now.

@ am7 - My intention right now is to make his head/hair and body really flat. I haven't made it as extreme as I'd like though. I'm going to experiment with him completely flat. I like this current look though. As for that bulb POV. Yikes, I wouldn't even know where to start with something like that. Thanks for the suggestion though.

:beer: :beer:

BaronImpossible
04-05-2005, 05:12 PM
Looking good. I like the light you've got going - a sort of late afternoon glow, works well. The girl's expression is great, but should she be happy, or high, or pleading? If pleading I'd suggest a slight downwards and outwards tilt to her eyebrows. The guy - overall he's looking suitably freaky, but I'll reserve judgement on the flatness of the head until you've done some more. The almost fish-eye approach to perspective could work, but because you have standard perspective in the background I'm not sure how another viewpoint (i.e. the flatness of his upper body) might come across.

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 05:38 PM
Thanks Baron. I'll give her eyebrows a lot more work. Hopefully I'll post again soon.
:beer:

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 08:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112728523_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1112728523_large.jpg)

I've increased the size of the canvas to allow for more background elements, and bring in more information about this future world I'm creating. I removed her eyes and started painting the background sky. I've also brought in some ideas that originally appeared in my Grand Space Opera Image that I never ended up completing. Hopefully I'll get around to it someday.

Crits on this current update are very welcome. Especially concerning Perspective. If you mentioned POV before I'd like to hear your thoughts again.

Slav
04-05-2005, 08:22 PM
this looks wonderful. i cant wait to see some more refined versions of this. bravo!

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 08:25 PM
Thanks Slav. Refining is a hard thing for me. I get attached to everything thing as it develops that I never want to change anything. I hope to tighten this up real good though! I really want to jump ahead and start messing around with Post processing. I know that sounds bad, but I kind of have these ideas to mess around with it. We'll see.
:beer:

Falcorr
04-05-2005, 08:51 PM
Very nice background there. Characters look very strange, but they are drawn very talented :thumbsup:

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 09:14 PM
Thanks Dude. I'm trying to keep it as different as possible. Think I could take it even further.
:beer:

NOOB!
04-05-2005, 09:40 PM
gamo,the main problem i see with ur piece is that u have overused ur skill to create this brilliant entry.

:thumbsup: lol!

excellent so far.

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 09:42 PM
LOL. Thanks man. That is way too kind.
Cheers!
:beer:

BaronImpossible
04-05-2005, 09:56 PM
I'm growing to like this more and more, it's an original idea well executed. I'm still not sure about his head, though. What about having his head tipped right back in standard 3D and have him grinning manically down at the girl? That would sort of complete the fish-eye perspective curve (he said, not having a clue what he's talking about) Having said that I do like the idea of seeing through the guy's eye-hole, so I don't know. Oh, and because I know you won't take offense, and having clearly not learned my lesson after calling feeb's swamp beast a hamster, I'm going to have to ask what that giant hovering penis is doing in the sky? :twisted:

And you got what I meant about the eyebrows! Nice job! :thumbsup:

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 10:28 PM
Well i figured I really had to start blatantly pushing this oversexed future so I figured floating dicks were the best choice. I mean, like, c'mon you know this is where we're headed! :D As for the cop. I did start to kind of fool around with him. I don't know about making him grin like that, but its a good suggestion. There a few areas I want to work on. The light part of the right building, detailling her in better, the dicks and him. And tightening the whole thing up. Don't worry I won't be adding any veins or things like that to the floating monitor stations. Or then again... maybe... :twisted:

Slav
04-05-2005, 10:35 PM
Thanks Slav. Refining is a hard thing for me. I get attached to everything thing as it develops that I never want to change anything. I hope to tighten this up real good though! I really want to jump ahead and start messing around with Post processing. I know that sounds bad, but I kind of have these ideas to mess around with it. We'll see.
:beer:

go ahead but be careful... i have gave myself big headaches jumping too far ahead while leaving some elements unfinished. i think i mentioned something about working from back to front in my thread... just refine them more and more as you get closer to the foreground.

anywho ill just sit here and await updates.

BaronImpossible
04-05-2005, 10:44 PM
I was concentrating so much on the floating phaluses (or dangling dicks, soaring schlongs, hovering hard-ons etc.) that I forgot to say my last point: The stuff on the ground is a bit too evenly distributed, it looks like it's been placed there rather than randomly accumulated. Maybe some piles of stuff or something would look better, and a bit more grime.

spacesnail
04-05-2005, 11:01 PM
Amazing picture !
You've got a great personal style.
Just a little crit : the floating dicks seem too shy : not enough objects in the sky (to my opinion, off course) ... no, no, no I'm not obsessed with it.:eek:

About the cop, I haven't it was one until I read the whole thread... maybe you can add a more significative clue to help ?

Anyhow : a great work
:thumbsup:

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 11:15 PM
@ Slav - Must stop... myself... from... ick... guk... jumping ahead. :surprised

@ Baron Impossible - Soaring Schlongs is exactly what they're called. Probing Eye, The Ministry of Internal Defence, tried to have the nick stricken from the press but it just stuck.:rolleyes:
As for the ground I see what you mean. I've been meaning to work on that, but I guess that means I've been avoiding it. I'll grime it up and clean up some areas too. I had originally planned on adding a texture ovelay but decided to keep it all by hand.

@ spacesnail - MORE floating dicks!!??:eek: You've got problems! :D As for the cop, if he isn't being understood as law enforcement, I will definitely get working on that to improve it.

Thanks guys!
:beer:

beelow
04-06-2005, 12:05 AM
Gamoron, how do you post your links?

Also, you got some wicked perspective going one, I like.:thumbsup:

Gamoron
04-06-2005, 12:10 AM
Thanks dude! Which links?
:beer:

spacesnail
04-08-2005, 10:36 PM
Hi Gamoron,

I've been calmed down by medecine. But I still want to see more d****, oooops no...
I still want to see more uppppppdate.

Cheers

Snail

Gamoron
04-08-2005, 10:43 PM
Damn you spacesnail I wanted to see if I could get all the way to the back page! Now I'm at the first page! Arrggggh.

JK. :D

Thanks for thinking of me and the soaring schlongs. :blush: I haven't updated because I'm also working a large batch of mixed media on canvas paintings in my basement. My girlfriend wants me to finish them to sell them so I can contribute some money. She is currently supporting me. She doesn't think I can support myself with digital art yet. She's probably right.

So, I will be getting back to this very soon and improving the floating dicks!
yeah!

:beer:

kaparo
04-12-2005, 05:00 AM
Hi Todd
I like the changes in your last post. More background over them and her blank eyes. The futuristic objects in the sky looks great too and add depth to the image. About perspective I know you have forced it but there are a couple of things that do not work: she and he have strong oblicuous lines from their feet to his shoulder but the two cans, closest at left and right of them them do not fix in perspective. The edge of the right green can is very close to the image border so it is even more obvious since this line goes paralell to the image edge. I think you could do two things: the easier is to remove those elements, but since it is a challenge I do not recomended this:), the other thing is to correct perspective trying to follow the persons perspective. The right green can is to close to the border that it could desapear out of sight but the other one need some changes. The walls behind them makes no much trouble since it is far from them and the shoulders of the man tends to cover a big part of the picture.
Hmmm...say... I was trying to make a more clear explanation using your own image with some lines over it but finally I couldnt place the image. It asked me for a URL and I have no web site. I hope my only words could help.
Keep going! It is going great!

Slav
04-12-2005, 01:43 PM
UPDATE! ... or ill send evil monkies with whips after you... *joke*

man i reall like this image i cant begin to tell you.

Gamoron
04-12-2005, 04:38 PM
@ kaparo - :eek: I'm going to try and fix everything you suggested. But I am already breaking a sweat!

@ Slav - Okay dude! I'm going to try and work on it today and hopefully post something very soon.

:beer: Thanks for posting guys.

Arc80
04-12-2005, 06:23 PM
I know this is another late response...sorry, hehe. Well, just want to say, it's coming out really nice. Good add ons on your background. You can definately feel a sense of depth, specially with those flying dicks (like spacesnail said), HAHAHA. Just on critzs though, the dudes hair that wire is a little too close to each other. How bout overlapping them to get rid of that tangency?... just a suggestion :) Can't wait to see what your next update is.

cheers,
Archie

Gamoron
04-12-2005, 06:29 PM
Thanks Arc. Yeah I'm going to do some work on the wires. I think I'll eliminate the existing ones completely and go for a more curvy approach to them. I tried to not make them intersect with his head too much, but I guess I didn't really succeed.

Working on it now.

:beer:

artjunkie
04-12-2005, 06:36 PM
Dude! Sorry I've been missing this one. You have a great concept there and I love where you're going with it. I love the extreme foreshortening (especially of the girl, NICE). Keep going, I can't wait to see where you take this.

P.S. thanks for droppin' by my thread.

Cheers!

Gamoron
04-12-2005, 07:12 PM
Thanks dude. And the pleasure was all mine for checkin' your thread.

:beer:

Gamoron
04-13-2005, 03:35 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113359716_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113359716_large.jpg)

Here's my latest update. I hope there is a lot of noticeable changes here. I toyed around with this for quite a bit today. Choices I made included were flattening out parts of the image more. The strange conflicting perspectives and the flattened add in my opinion a nice uneasiness to the image. Making it hypnotic around the eyes especially. I've added more sex stuff. But when I think about it, this image is still very toned down. Consider the subject matter I'm dealing with it should be even more blatant and shocking. But I don't want to make porno. Anyways give me crit!

Gamoron
04-13-2005, 03:38 AM
BTW I cleaned up his face and her right arm and hand [her right ;)]. I added a concrete texture to the ground which I'm regretting now. So I think I'll be painting over that. I also have to fix the recycling bin and paint her purse. And fix her face... blah blah blah.
:beer:

Gamoron
04-13-2005, 08:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113421106_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113421106_large.jpg)

I'm nearing my final colouring milestone. I'm getting anxious to make all final adjustments to this. I fleshed her out better and changed colours on her outfit. Turned her into a Harajuku type girl. Aren't they popular right now, eh? Anyways I am happy with how this has progressed to date. He needs to be finished though and finalised.

kinnas
04-13-2005, 09:20 PM
there's this one thing that's scratching my eye. the green dumpster. it doesn't line up with the perspective all that well.. or more like.. I check it. it lines up. everything should work in theory.. but somehow it seems as though the back side line of the dumpster aims a bit too high. I can't get my eye off of it : O

Gamoron
04-13-2005, 09:28 PM
While I'm not too interested in perspective in this piece, that doesn't sound like such a big deal to fix. Especially if it bothers you that much. I see what you mean, it looks in a strange way that it would line up above the window sill near it. I can fix that. Thanks kinnas.
:beer:

Arc80
04-13-2005, 10:36 PM
That's coming along nicely bro. The detailings are great and the colours works nicely.
Honestly, i don't have a problem with the perspective issue, because your piece has somewhat a wonky style feeling to it and usually you can bend or even brake the rules of perspective with it. Personally, i won't change anything on your perspective. It adds up to the uniqueness and originality of your piece in very good way. I think the perspective here is being broken in an appropriate way with an appropriate subject matter and style.

BTW, That tangency still bothers me though, hehe.

cheers bro :thumbsup:

Gamoron
04-14-2005, 12:45 AM
Shit. I meant to fix that, but forgot. Hmmm... I'll see what I can do about that. That will require some major cutting now.
:eek:

Gamoron
04-14-2005, 01:03 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113436999_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113436999_large.jpg)

Do you guys REALLY feel I should go this route?

Arc80
04-14-2005, 04:57 AM
wa up bro. thanks for checking out my stuff by the way.

Okay, personally, I like the first one a lot better. The warp perspective on this might be correct in terms of the laws of perspective, but i think it is ruining your piece. The whole feeling and theme of your subject somehow got lost. The warp perspective kind of made it look very playful, humurous, and not as serious in terms of what you are trying to communicate with the viewers. Your main focus got interrupted, because your eyes are just circulating around it. Again, this is just my personal comment. You should definately hear what others say about it.

cheers bro

Gamoron
04-14-2005, 05:34 AM
Well I agree with Arc. But the more I looked at it, the better I felt it looked. My girlfriend kind of tipped the scales for me. The current image I have here is lot more cleaned up then the last post. I just thought I'd save CGNet some space by not posting every updated image I have.

Aw screw it. I'll post it on my site and link it. Hold on.

Gamoron
04-14-2005, 05:38 AM
http://www.orbofday.com/images/MasterAndServantn.jpg
blah blah blah

Arc80
04-14-2005, 06:05 PM
Okay, that is nice and cleaner and it's still a strong piece, but i'm still sticking with the first one. With this one, i just keep looking at the warp perspective and it's leading my eyes to go around and not focus on things. It's up to you though, hehe.

BTW, i went to your site. you got some nice pieces there and they're holding a sense of originality when it comes to having your own style. Very consistant and love the loose painting quality. Kick arse dude... :buttrock:

cheers

Gamoron
04-15-2005, 05:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113581740_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1113581740_large.jpg)

This is my final colour submission. From here I am moving on to the final image. I distorted the background of the top part of the image with the edit distort tools. Had to select part of the image and then distort and then select a smaller part of the image and then distort. Finally I added some more details and background elements.

Arc80
04-15-2005, 05:23 PM
No critzs here, just want to drop by and say it looks SWEEET!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers

spacesnail
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
:drool: Waiting for your ultimate final final

Arc80
04-21-2005, 06:16 PM
What!? Still no update from the peanut gallery :D Finish it already dude. Stop making us wait :cry: ...hehehe. Just kidding, there's still more time to play around and rest.

cheers bro

Nathellion
04-21-2005, 06:23 PM
That's really cool. I love the character design. The only thing that looks a bit weird is that the building on the left bends kind of suddenly whereas the one on the right has more of a gradual distortion to it's shape.

I'm really digging the style though.

beelow
04-21-2005, 06:29 PM
This looking way cool. Can't wait to see the finished piece.:thumbsup:

MoodyDog
04-22-2005, 12:56 AM
Your coloring is takes my heart away!
I like your style, lovely clean & clear!! can't wait to see more... :bounce:

Slav
04-22-2005, 06:55 AM
i really love waht you have done with it... i especially like the building to the left. great work

more! :wip:

Gamoron
04-23-2005, 06:47 PM
HI guys sorry for the late reply. I will posting very soon, my hd has been wonky lately so I've had some problems. Here's what the final image is more then likely to look like. I will be tweaking it some more and then post what I made to get it to look this way.

:beer:

http://www.orbofday.com/images/MasterAndServantq.jpg

Arc80
04-23-2005, 08:01 PM
Wowh... Okay, just checked my emailed and an update from MR. GAMORON poped up.
FINALLY... hehehe.

So what do we have here. Interesting, you're adding a splatter technique on it. Does it represent blood or it's just an approach to mixing your style with fine arts?
You changed the colour of your lighting too. I like it. Now your piece is looking kinda dark and dimmented which strenghten the point of what your theme and subject are. Man, you really are trying to show the corrupt and delluted side of the media. You have my vote here dude. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see what you do with it and how it's going to be finished.

cheers
Thanks for dropping by at me thread again Laddy...aaarrrgg matey. :buttrock:

Gamoron
04-23-2005, 08:09 PM
It should pretty much stay the way it is. I just don't want to be too hasty in submitting my final image when the final day is still over half a month away. Thats still a lot of time to think about the image.

Thanks Archie!
:beer: :beer:

SEL
04-23-2005, 09:35 PM
This is coming along nicelly, I love the persepective the most, it really helps the rest of the scene out, even makes you want to do drugs? eh! kiddin, Great job! Ill check back for future updates!

SEL

phoboalien
04-23-2005, 11:39 PM
I'm fully shocked by the bed guy beyond the girl... He reminds me of Marilyn Manson...
truly I don't like much the girl, but I think that to make acute one was none of yours props right? I like the colours and the style, so great work!
See you,
phoboalien

My master & servant 2d (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=232571)

Arc80
05-02-2005, 09:02 AM
Just wanted to drop by and see how things are. 16 days left bro...pressure... :twisted:

cheers :D

Gamoron
05-02-2005, 04:58 PM
Hey dude. I'll post something close to the final soon. Not feeling any pressure. I'm happy with this image I've made.
:beer:

Gamoron
05-02-2005, 08:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1115062681_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5953/5953_1115062681_large.jpg)

This is, I believe my final image. I may do some last minute tweaking before the very end. Hopefully it will be allowed. I'll show the process I used to accomplish this.

NOOB!
05-02-2005, 08:48 PM
excellent piece u gay moron. i mean gamoron


u got my vote!

Gamoron
05-02-2005, 08:54 PM
NOOB! You're dead! Yes I'm a moron but I'm not gay!


I have to change that damn name....


:beer:

NOOB!
05-02-2005, 09:01 PM
don't be ashamed about ur homosexuality,

*Y M C A* comon..sing along

lol kiddin man!! heheh.

K.O.U.M.A.K.O
05-02-2005, 09:07 PM
i really like that work
very nice piece

Gamoron
05-02-2005, 09:09 PM
Cheers guys.

spacesnail
05-02-2005, 10:36 PM
Nice tweakings :thumbsup: and very nice picture :thumbsup::thumbsup: Just hoping the jury will be open minded... and sing Y M C A and all those 70s standards He He Just kidding Just kidding

Good luck for the judging process

Cheers

Manu

Gamoron
05-03-2005, 01:10 AM
Not you too dude. :(

Gamoron
05-03-2005, 01:22 AM
Here is my final tweaks to the image.

Top Left: Image before post.
Top Right: After post.
2 Gradient maps using depth channel. 1 for the foreground and 1 for the background
1 Depth channel to create camera blur using Gaussian.
levels affecting entire image using the depth channel as a mask.
Bottom Left: Depth channel.
Just a hand drawn Z-Depth image to fake 3D space.
Bottom Right:
Black Ink on paper scanned in to tarnish the final image. Gradient map applied to this, Levels also and set to multiply.

http://www.orbofday.com/images/MasterAndServantp.jpg

Arc80
05-03-2005, 01:32 AM
Man, i was working and got an email notification...Oy That's a nice approach dude, especailly on the ink splatter. AWESOME JOB. Truely one of my favorite piece and you definately have my vote on this too. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

btw, i didn't know you were getting jiggy with it with the Y M C A tune... HAHAHAHAHA :wavey: Nice name you got there dude... heeheehee (Just kidding bro).

cheers

NOTE: to NOOB!... Good one dude :D :thumbsup:

Gamoron
05-03-2005, 01:34 AM
NOOB! Is officially out of the contest, because he was found dead. I am out of the contest because I'm going to jail for murder.

What the hell is wrong with the Village People anyways!

:beer:
Cheers Archie!

cheeeng
05-03-2005, 08:29 AM
Love your coloring man.Espeacially the background that really turns the whole atmosphere of this piece. Great mood.

NOOB!
05-03-2005, 09:11 AM
I am out of the contest because I'm going to jail for murder.





hey..don't drop the soap on purpose now u here?....

i'm done.

hehe serious..... good luck man! u still got my vote.

Gamoron
05-03-2005, 03:32 PM
No bar soap. Only Gel body wash for me in prison. That way I'll have no probs.
:beer:

jeromoo
05-03-2005, 03:59 PM
What a creepy concept you have here! I like the artistic aspects of this painting very much! All the best!

Gamoron
05-03-2005, 04:40 PM
Thanks jeromoo.
:beer:

SpiritDreamer
05-03-2005, 11:48 PM
Hi Todd
No criticism from me. You captured the new man made plague of the twentyfirst century perfectly.
Like the colors, mood, composition. Everything about it.
Startling piece of reality done in paint.
Great job
Take care
Glenn

Arc80
05-05-2005, 10:56 PM
I think they only have bar soap in prison dude...and no shower curtains i hear... hehehe.

cheers bro

arkinet
05-06-2005, 12:56 AM
no crit from me, jst appreciate people with their own unique style:thumbsup:

Gamoron
05-12-2005, 08:29 PM
Finished. I just uploaded my completed tiff image. 6 more days to go guys. Hurry up!

Arc80
05-12-2005, 10:09 PM
Good for you man and you know you got my vote on this. I don't know about the others, but i'm just feeling a bit lazy right... need... more... sleep... I'll post my final image soon. Just a tad bit more cleaning and i'm done :argh:

I met a lot of cool artist here and would like to keep in touch with them... so on that note, keep in touch bro.

cheers :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :bowdown:

Arc80
05-16-2005, 01:58 AM
Hey buddy, i forgot to mention... you think you can send me a WALLPAPER, with your signature on it... please :bounce:

cheers

Belhaven
05-16-2005, 02:16 AM
cool style man, i like your characters. personality and character are probably some of the most important things that can be put into a picture. youve got it.

SpiritDreamer
05-27-2005, 12:55 AM
Hi Tod
Really liked your challenge picture alot. Says something visually that really needs to me said. Checked out your gallery also, really nice work. I particularly liked the one of the girl clutching her arms and crying. Very powerful piece. Brought back an old memory of when one of my sisters was raped by some men a long time ago. Wasn't just her body that got violated it was also her mind and emotions that got hurt the worst. Made me feel like killing the guys who did it just like in your other painting. Also liked your little multi colored figure. Thought about doing something like that myself seeing how I have a lot of different colors in my family tree. Nice idea. Your stuff shows alot of emotion which in my opinion is the key to great art. Sticks with you kind of thing. The technical part comes with time. Hell I'm 54 and am still learning and hopefully improving until the day I die, I hope. Might learn and improve after that who knows. Anyway really like your challenge picture.
Take Care
and
Good Luck
Glenn

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