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nebezial
03-22-2005, 04:16 PM
Stjepan Šejić has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5947)

Latest Update: Final Image: the master of his destiny
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1116233637_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1116233637_large.jpg)

droppin from exhaustion... i made it, thanx for all the support everyone and good luck
aaand now to start the edit, lol


imagine a story, no particular one. I did, ok now imagine the topic being master and servant, okaaay
and now imagine the worst way to challenge urself, wlll this is my torture formula
NO REFERENCES+ DIFFUSE LIGHT+ COMPLEXITY OF EMOTIONS THAT EMERGE BETWEEN THE CHARACTERS, THE MAUR., DOES HE HATE THE MISTRESS, WILL HIS FIRST MOVE AFTER BEING GRANTED HIS FREEDOM BE TO SLAY HIS FORMER MASTER, DOES HE HOLD DIS SWORD PURELY OUT OF YEARS LONG HABBIT OF BEING HER BODYGUARD, THE DOUBT AND NERVOSIS IN THE EXPRESSION OF THE FEMALE BODYGUARD.
ALSO THE BLIND TRUST OF THE MASTER TOWARDS THE LOYALTY OF HER SERVANTS, SIMBOLISED THROUGH THE INNOCENT GAME OF TWO SERVANT GIRLS, AND ABOVE IT ALL THE OMINOUS SCULPTURE, DOES IT TELL THE TALE OF WHATS TO COME?
IT IS ALL PACKED INTO A WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE "KEYHOLE COMPOSITION"
IT SYMBOLISES THE MASTERS POWER OVER THE FREEDOM OF SLAVES AND CHOICES OF SERVANTS, AS THE FINAL TOUCH AROUND THE MASTERS NECK HANGS A GOLDEN KEY. THIS IMAGE DEPICTS THE RELEASE OF A BODYGIUARD FROM HIS DUTY, THE REST IS UP TO WIEWER, I HOPE U LIKE IT:D

MDN67
03-22-2005, 04:26 PM
welcome stjepan, and good luck:thumbsup:

ms@zx
03-22-2005, 05:47 PM
goodluck stjepan!i'll be looking forward to see urs ..

AIR
03-22-2005, 05:57 PM
I was to call u,see u did it already.Man we need to push now.U have two months,enough time to conquest the world,so don't post ure final work tomorow morning man,think it trough few diferent angles and dangles and than start to kick ass.

nebezial
03-23-2005, 04:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111596439_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111596439_large.jpg)

Well , time to get started. This is my first concept, and yes there is a story behind it. She is a Roman patritian and a wife of a senator. Now it wasnt uncommon for roman women to have slaves as their lovers. But she was different. she believed in equality of people and the importance of marriage. Yet she was only human an her ethics, her beliefs stand on trial after her husband bought a young nubian slave. she liked him, so much that in the moment of weakness she was prepaired to sacrifise everything. but how?. i mean the facts are as goes. she likes him, wants his love , he is a slave ergo not to fond of her, if she was to make the first move he could understand it as enforcing her power, and he sure couldnt do it, i mean he wasnt allowed to look her in the eyes. more to come. oh and this is the sketch for the central piece of the composition, still working on the anatomy

mack72
03-23-2005, 04:50 PM
Definately like this concept. I'm looking forward to watching this grow!


Good luck!

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 05:51 PM
looking great!!!

i like the style

ms@zx
03-23-2005, 06:26 PM
its going to be a great piece,just as i forseen it:thumbsup:
interesting concept!

NinjaA55N
03-24-2005, 12:27 AM
Nice start man! The story is also interesting and I cant wait for more. Will be there a background? And just an idea... the servant shouldnt look her into the eyes.. but what if the pic would shown exactly that.. the moment he looked! That will bring more power and dramatic effect to the pic. My opinion :)

nebezial
03-24-2005, 06:46 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111646810_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111646810_large.jpg)

here is an update. thanx for the support. a slight addition to the story would be that there is a slave girl also in love with the nubian. she will stare at her mistress with the look of thousand deaths... i managed to do 562 deaths untill now

andreasrocha
03-24-2005, 07:12 AM
Beautiful...their hands and faces. Great anamtomy. The lion head seems a bit distracting at the moment. Perhaps plunging it into shadows...Fantastic!

monsitj
03-24-2005, 07:43 AM
figure and anatomy is perfect( In my opionion) but overall composition look flat , maybe you can add more element in fg and background or perspective line , etc,
good work!

Speaky
03-24-2005, 08:10 AM
Hi Nebezial - Excellent figure drawing, nice classical approach, but I'm thinking the theme needs to be explored a bit more visually, it's not got much of a dynamic despite your obvious talent. Perhaps she could be looking away from him and weeping in despair while he looks a bit puzzled and the girl on the right is looking bitchy and scheming to tell the Patrician and take her place amidst the scandal? Great work though, will love to see where you go with this.

PS. When I first looked at the pic, I saw the girl on the right as trying to lift up the guy's loincloth for a peek at his butt. Hey! There's your dynamic! :buttrock:

nebezial
03-24-2005, 11:55 AM
Thanx everyone ! :D Yeah this is just the foreground plan i was thinking of putting some roman landscape, yknow buildings and stuff and im still trying to decide what time of the day the scene is taking place. also i tremble when i think of drawing those composite capitels on the columns, it allmost makes me want to whip out my z brush and get jiggy with it:twisted: But! i wont. oh yeah ...she DOES look like she is peeking:twisted:

Tariq12
03-24-2005, 12:13 PM
Great work Stjepan, like your composition alot. Great look on the slave girl's face. I know this is still at a concept stage, but I would watch the foreshortening on the nubian's left arm. It also looks a little rubbery. But you are probably already on it.
Good luck with the challenge, and will be waiting with anticipation to see how this piece progresses. :cool:

mack72
03-24-2005, 12:32 PM
The addition to the composition has helped make it feel more like a paninting of epic proportions. I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of mood you go with in the colouring stages!

Keep it up!

Tranchefeux
03-24-2005, 05:49 PM
Hi, Good starting I want to see the continuation, Good luck

Borro
03-24-2005, 05:56 PM
Awesome work you've done :)!!! Will be watching. Keep it up mate! and best of luck.

AIR
03-24-2005, 10:59 PM
Man,rokass.As he guys said it,keep your eye on proportion,dont get slopy,
Is that the word for it,slopy.Mein englisch is sehr schlecht und mein deutsch noch mehr,verdamt.grokajj stiven.

nebezial
03-24-2005, 11:17 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111706241_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111706241_large.jpg)

been doing some shaders for colours nothing fancy, just trying to decide on the atmosphere. also changed the pose of the nubian a bit. I have this idea of increasing the depth of the image by putting a strong perspective point. there will be rome in the background. thanx for all your advices and support

AlyFell
03-24-2005, 11:19 PM
Elegant and refined; this piece is becoming! Be careful on the foreshortening on the arms of the guy! I'm struggling a bit with that myself... I like the concept and the twist with the slave girl! Gorgeous!

Edit: You posted an update whilst I was writing! Wow, some colour! I hope it's OK to say... er... great breasts! :)

cgtalkmember
03-24-2005, 11:25 PM
I must say i admire your work :D

ozhaver
03-25-2005, 03:44 AM
I also enjoy the classic approach. The perspective is still undefined. Be careful when you finish the columns & archway. The table doesn't match with the position of the "chair". And the arch and column tops is still plain...I would establish the horizon/eye level line on a different layer and see if the perspective matches everything. Looking forward to see this process! Good luck!

Bishoppess of Death
03-25-2005, 05:10 AM
Nice. The only thing that kinda of bugs me a bit (visually that is) is the placement of the lion and his head. When I first saw the thumbnail for this, I thought he was part of the couch, because of the arc over his head. Maybe..possible (this is just an idea) he could be in front of the couch, facing the lady.

Well, just an idea. I'll have to watch you, to see how you finish this one. It should be good.

nebezial
03-25-2005, 08:02 AM
Heh heh , the lion actually IS a piece of the couch:)

Bishoppess of Death
03-25-2005, 08:52 AM
Heh Heh. Whoops. Sorry.

nebezial
03-25-2005, 08:57 AM
JUst a thought, i never had this much fun on the net, seriously all you guys and girls are great, tx for all the support:beer:

NinjaA55N
03-25-2005, 11:01 AM
About the figures, there is no crit. U know how to do them... and what about the background? Did u think about it yet? Im curious what'll be back there... :)

nashya
03-25-2005, 11:13 AM
The way you're rendering the skin is AMAZING! Whoa! I'm really interested in seeing what you do with the background and it's colors. The lady seem so to have lots of blue/purple in her skin. Great so far, keep it up!

AIR
03-25-2005, 01:22 PM
U trying to bring this on a personal level,ha,that's it you rubbing it on my nose,Now U did it.
Son of a gun,I'l show U.U'l bee :banghead: your head after all this is finished.
Lets roll.
My MASTER AND SERVANT
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222142

Kosmos
03-25-2005, 01:36 PM
I must say I love your technique, very fluent and should be very atmospheric as you do more

Keep it up :thumbsup:

Master and Servant

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=223447

nebezial
03-25-2005, 05:10 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111770628_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111770628_large.jpg)

Just came back from college, just couldnt wait zo try some background concepts, i kinda had this gladiator like inspiration for it, but i think it needs a whole lot of work, Im so gonna hit the arhitecture books on this one, Still havent decided on the overall atmosphere, but there is still time. now im gonna go fix some anatomy glitches.

MVDB
03-25-2005, 05:18 PM
This is getting somewhere! I like it much!

AIR
03-25-2005, 06:36 PM
Man,You need to resample the image,Don't like the view on the coloseum,it seems that
this emperors bedroom loks directly on the filthy market place and rome's streets,I dont have the sence that this goes on in a palace,above the "mortals".
Think about it.I know,you going to say that the coloseum is huge monument and yadayada
yada. :p

MY MASTER and SERVANT (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222142)

nebezial
03-25-2005, 06:49 PM
No , but i am gonna saz that its a se4nators bedroom,:) hehheh but yeah , i am still playing with ideas

nebezial
03-26-2005, 10:10 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111831846_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111831846_large.jpg)

Just a thought, if 3D works can have photoshop effects and touchups, why couldnt we use zbrush? well here is a starting of pillars, still they are too chubby and rough , but i just wanted to see how it would composite. who knows.

nebezial
03-26-2005, 05:12 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111857120_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111857120_large.jpg)

here is an update on the skin shading, and i also did some work on the lion sculpture, Im trying to acchieve that marble alabaster look, still not happy AAARGH

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 05:14 PM
looks so realistic,i love it! skin tones look perfect.u shud find sum pics of marble to get it perfect.

nebezial
03-26-2005, 05:20 PM
Will do that, just saw Yours, kudos man:)

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 05:25 PM
Will do that, just saw Yours, kudos man:)

:thumbsup:

i'll be keeping an eye on urs

http://www.xenophongi.org/ruscity/stpete/pavlovsk/pavlovsk17.jpg

thought this cud help!??

nebezial
03-26-2005, 05:32 PM
YOU ARE THE MAN, THANX A MILLION, ITS PERFECT:bounce:

NOOB!
03-26-2005, 05:37 PM
hey no prob.

good luck again!!

ArtisticVisions
03-26-2005, 10:01 PM
Terrific characters; there's so much of an emotive quality to them (the Lion also looks incredible). :thumbsup:
As for the pillars... I'm sorry, but they just don't look like they belong in the image (the z-Brush version, I mean): there's too much of a difference between that illustrative style and the one which you're using for the characters, in my opinion.

Rhenia
03-26-2005, 10:25 PM
Nice concept. I'm just waiting to see what your decision will be on the background. What you choose will definetly make your piece stronger.

ymy
03-26-2005, 10:31 PM
Looking good nebezial.

Great rendering on the brests... :thumbsup: Look forward to seeing your finished piece.

Nigel-Q
03-26-2005, 10:53 PM
this is looking good. i like the rendering on the lion - lounge/sofa thingy. the only crit i'd give at this point is that it looks like the male slave's left arm foreshortening could work a bit better.

i'll be watching your progress with interest. good luck!

fooxoo
03-27-2005, 07:09 AM
Looks interesting, I like the figures!! Not bad.

eclipson
03-27-2005, 07:27 AM
very very nice lion, nice tones, very sexy women too, lovin it

GoodLux!!:thumbsup:

StealthPharaoh
03-27-2005, 08:26 AM
hey nice work man..i saw this 2 days ago and was trying to find it again with no luck..lol

but here it is again...anyways, this is looking pretty good so far..compostion, poses and good coloring too..looking forward for more updates..good luck

nebezial
03-27-2005, 05:14 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111943647_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111943647_large.jpg)

THanx for all the support, yeah i think ill reject the zbrush, BUUt i am currently trying to find out if i could use 3d studio max

coCoKNIght
03-27-2005, 05:36 PM
sexy pic :D that relief stuff needs work but is a good idea... ou wait, you made that with z-brush, why not use the photoshop filter relief? Well, actually you could also just draw it, c'mon, it's not that much work and you're drawing skills are really good from what I've seen!

nebezial
03-27-2005, 05:39 PM
Yeah i knoe, the ones in front are goin bye bye but i like the background

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 05:41 PM
i know ur allowed too,but i'm not a fan of 3d work in a 2d piece,u have great drawing skill,i think it wud give u a better chance of winning if u drew a background.

but its up to u :)

keep at it!

nebezial
03-27-2005, 05:43 PM
I know:sad: Yeah i think ur right, i guess ill just keep it for the 3d challenge

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 05:46 PM
cos if u think about it,even if u can do that,this is a 2D challenge,and i'm guessin judges will judge mainly on 2d skill.....

and i really liked ur drawings,so u know..2d all the way!! hehe.

i just repeated myself,worded differently,but what the heck lol!

coCoKNIght
03-27-2005, 05:49 PM
You've got to be careful with 3d elements in a 2d pic but it can also add to the overall realism of the pic and / or it can take you away a lot of work. I wouldn't just discard that possibility.

nebezial
03-27-2005, 05:54 PM
Thanx NOOB, mz morale just Sky rocketed:D Mz thought exactly coCoKNIght, but i think ill go 2d all the way ... after all this is a challenge

nebezial
03-27-2005, 09:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111957493_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1111957493_large.jpg)

well i think im close to the fleshy feeling i want on the girl...one problem though, what the hell is gona be my lineart phase? well anyways, thanx to NOOB i got the lion somewhere i wanted it.but, seriously...LINEART!?

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 09:08 PM
a detailed background with candles like that reference pic i showed wud work great,u can still expand the picture out.u don't have to limit ureself to this small scene.

btw EXCELLENT GURL ya got there.

nebezial
03-27-2005, 09:13 PM
Yknow i actually started thinking about something like that, about deepening the whole scene, get more ambitious, by adding more plans to it, maybe more egzotics, symbolical thingies , like birds in a cage, reprezenting the truth behind this image, in the end they are all servants to their feelings, something like that:) weird.:D

BaronImpossible
03-27-2005, 09:15 PM
No problems with the artwork, but the composition looks a bit squashed. Unless you cropped this bit. Excellent skin tones and realistic poses.

BTW, nice ti... er, nice tints. Colour tints. Ahem.

NOOB!
03-27-2005, 09:18 PM
the mistake allot of people are doing right now,is already heading towards finishing,

do people realise its march....do people not realise we have till mid may??

theres no rush,plan man plan,i'll be awaiting.

its all excellent so far.

nebezial
03-27-2005, 09:19 PM
I did crop it, i thought why waste good pixels on an empty space

nebezial
03-27-2005, 09:22 PM
TO NOOB, I KNOW , like whats the rush ,i actually saw a finished work! it is a challenge people, and there is time, there are some seriously talented people and the only way to rise above the competition is to WORK, a lot and hard, or as my friend AIR said think it through from many angles, make it count

Borro
03-27-2005, 10:09 PM
Just keeps getting better and better... The colors are great, but the scin of the master seems a bit weird... The black servant is super cool, but i think you should refine the master :) Keep it up!

BlackDidThis
03-27-2005, 10:33 PM
It's turning out really great...

I love the way you have allowed the light to contour the guys back and UpperArm/shoulder. It adds so much.

The one thing that is sort of bothering me though.. Is the nipple exacly wher you would want it? From the manner of how you have spread her breasts to the sides would suggest the weight to also disposition the nipple from where it is standing now.

You are going into a serious amount ofdetailing in all of your elements. I can't wait to see how the whole thing is going to turn out, provided that every thing in it can afford to be detailed somehow..


I am tagging along to see how it goes!

Black

nebezial
03-27-2005, 11:16 PM
To borro, her skin is just a study for now, it will greatly depend on the surrounding atmosphere.

Black, tx for the crit, yeah ,tnipple still in the sketch, there are more details to come, this is a four to five days work and i intend to submit the final image a few days before the deadline, so yes, muuch more:wip: :wip:

artjunkie
03-27-2005, 11:27 PM
very nice piece and great colour treatment... keep up the great work...

(damn all you talented people)

CptObvious
03-27-2005, 11:51 PM
thats really pretty rendering here. U done well with details so far, I 've just been wondering to see the whole color mood of the pic.
keep the good work!

LCGuy
03-28-2005, 12:19 AM
Very, very nice. Great quality at such an early stage. You could probably enter this and place as a finalist!

With all that you are showing at this stage, the only aspect for me to question is how you are handling the background... I'm sure it will be stunning, but, it will definitely be fun to watch that unfold as you progress. You've already piqued my anticipation!

Good luck!

sidchagan
03-28-2005, 01:05 AM
This really looks fantastic so far, as a concept. The piece is very graceful, you've got a good composition, and technically, its superb- especially considering this is the concept sketch, I cant wait to see what the final would look like.
I like the colluseum background idea, but for alternatives, i think just a scene of Roman style buildings, temples etc would go well, maybe even a balcony view. Just other stuff to consider.

nebezial
03-28-2005, 10:18 AM
Thanx people, yeah, there is plenty of time to do some serious details,sidchagan (http://www.cgtalk.com/member.php?u=116573)i think im dropping the background i had planned, i am getting more ambitious

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 11:50 AM
i am getting more ambitious

uh oh!

beware people nebz is on a role.

nebezial
03-28-2005, 11:52 AM
MWAHAHAHAHA, tremble mere mortals....yeah, suuuree. tx NOOB:D

element5
03-28-2005, 02:06 PM
Hiya .. Nice progress and very sensual :)

nebezial
03-28-2005, 04:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112028457_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112028457_large.jpg)

well i just started doing the sketching on the slaves that will be in the hall which i am currently working on. i got this new composition in mind which will go way deeper than the last one

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 04:51 PM
s'all gud...until u see her face..then u think she-male??

i think u shud make her look more feminin like ur master,apart from that excellent ,can't wait to see sum of this new concept.

nebezial
03-28-2005, 04:58 PM
i know, bit i kinda wanted to separte her from the rest, kijda like, they dont have to be all super gorgeous, but i also cant sy that i wont change it. who knows, i had in mind one of those african women, but come to think of it, her face could use some tenderising:D

calisto-lynn
03-28-2005, 05:16 PM
wooohoo!!welcome to the contest cepo!!! i like all of your schetches, including your 3d works, i think you'll kick ass. about the african girl, idont quite agree with NOOB. i think she has a nice egiptian touch on her face. ah well i guess we all have diferent tastes. keep it up!!!:thumbsup:

offbeatworlds
03-28-2005, 05:29 PM
I am loving your ideas and composition. The poses are excellent the colors so far are suberb. I love all of their expression. However, there is a anatomical error thats bugging me a bit. The Nubian slave's hands are way to big. But that's basically the only thing that's bothering me. I love this idea so much, and I truly cannot wait for more updates! Keep up the good work!

nebezial
03-28-2005, 06:00 PM
Yeah, i noticed the hand, as shrek would say... its on my to do list:D

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 06:18 PM
well if she is a (ahem) *NUBIAN* slave,she wud not likely be dressed like that,she wud probably just be neked with a piece of cloth around her waist.

but,i guess theres a reason u didn't depict it that way.:D

AIR
03-28-2005, 08:44 PM
Gee,you seem to be in the wright spot on this site.That's great,loved reading your c&c's
from to U and wiseversa.And as for the sisa guy,I recon He wouldnt be apropriate for this cg challenge,but perhaps some future challenges could host idea like that,you know,degenarate relatives. :)

nebezial
03-28-2005, 09:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112046210_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112046210_large.jpg)

Ok NOOB, maybe she ic as Calisto suggested, an Egyptian heh, heh, Thanx A I R

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 09:45 PM
a few adjustments..and now she looks great...

i'd do her......

oops i mean...i'd do her.

lol.

nebezial
03-28-2005, 09:56 PM
HEH HEH, yeah, she does have a bit less of that good ol fashioned WOOF effect now:D

walrus
03-28-2005, 10:04 PM
That's nice, I like her face a lot mroe now. The decorations in the hair are a nice touch. I really like how the whole piece is coming along, actually - everything you've posted has been really nice so far, and it'll be exciting to see how all of the parts come together. Good luck!

-mike

calisto-lynn
03-28-2005, 10:05 PM
yeah, NOOB's right!

i would too!

and i'm not even male! :D

great improvement, tx for accepting my suggestion!:thumbsup:

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 10:07 PM
u know...my name *nubian* being egyption..i shudda put sum egyption stuff in my work.


d'oh!.

now i hate this thread.

lol.

NOOB!
03-28-2005, 10:09 PM
yeah, NOOB's right!

i would too!

and i'm not even male! :D



i wud like to see that....*ahem*

*who sed that?*

sorry for double posting,i'm destorying ur thread nebz,sorry!

calisto-lynn
03-28-2005, 10:17 PM
hey noobie,

errrr...ummm.you're ai wud like to see that....*ahem*

naughty little fella, arent ya?:twisted: hihihi!!

lanedaughtry
03-29-2005, 12:49 AM
Beautiful piece.

Great use of nudity as a beauty element and not neccessarily a blatantly sexual one.

Can't wait to see this one fleshed out in color.

I will say that the slave girl looks a little vacant and possibly to sell the fact that this womans servants appreciate her views on the treatment of slaves the girl could have the adoration in her eyes that the man massaging the woman seems to have.

How was that for a run on sentence.

And I agree with some of the other comments here. You do great figure work and you've already gone over the nudity line. The slaves should be nude too.

-L

NinjaA55N
03-29-2005, 08:17 AM
huh! Ur tecnique is really good! Watching ur steps how plastic and real ur characters becoming is outstanding. The pose and expression on the face of that last slave is great but I think her arm is a bit too musculat at the moment. And thats all! :D Its a pleasure watching u at ur creative process.

mack72
03-29-2005, 08:50 AM
I love how this is turning out. The nubian/egyptian (whatever!) slave girl is a great design. I love her slightly 'detached' expression (intentional!?)Whatever you decide to put in the background, make sure it doesn't detract from the foreground image, I apologise if I'm being a bit obvious, but you've got a cool idea, and I'd hate to see it become overcrowded!

nebezial
03-29-2005, 10:12 AM
thanx yall, Lane, Been thinking about some nudity on the slaves

Ninja, yeah, noticed it last night, but was too tired, ill probably do it today

Mack, thanx man, i think im gonna use some nice sfumato for the depth and plan separation

AS FOR CALISTO AND NOOB!!! Honestly people what ar u doing, i mean this is a serious thread:wise: it is for critics and stuff... and to sink that lo... UMMM NOOB... u r right , id like to see that too:twisted: :D

bonestudio
03-29-2005, 10:18 AM
Great idea, and your sketches are full of life :)

I like your step by step very much !!! I think for you coloring style, you could look at frazetta's work, and play with strong light and shadow contrast, more than with an enlighted background. A darker background, will focus the attention on the characters I think

nebezial
03-29-2005, 10:28 AM
TX bonestudioyeah i am stil kinda trying to decide between a more Renneisance , global iluminated feeling or Baroquish contrast

BlackDidThis
03-29-2005, 12:08 PM
This may sound TOO alternative.. but how about a Turkish-Bath or a Greek/Roman-court atmosphere...

Now most of your characters happen to be dark skinned so they will all show up niceley in the contrasting luminant marble. And Since the cavern construction of the building would only permit a soft global illumination of the outside light bouncing off the marble surfaces; you would get a darker interior, which would fade the slaves and pronounce the much lighter tanned master'ess.
Can you picture what I am talking about here? I mean a sort of contrasting ramp like effect such as to impose the grounds of all the characters.. but to dim them with the background at the horizon of the master'ess.

It is just an alternative idea that might help you out.

Hoping to see some more;

Black

nebezial
03-29-2005, 08:17 PM
Thanx for all the support, and there might just be something in that idea of yours black:thumbsup:

NOOB!
03-29-2005, 08:20 PM
i still think u need to explore different angles of nekedness.

:bounce: bouncy bouncy....if u catch my drift.....

hehe jus kiddin

when can we expect the next update??

marcheen
03-29-2005, 08:37 PM
i just checked your thread and i must say that this is one good loking mistress hehe. i like this style of drawing characters. now i can't wait to see more datails on the mistress;) good luck to you

nebezial
03-30-2005, 05:55 AM
Thanx NOOB, yeah i might go a bit deeper... about the update, soon. i was a mess yesterday( a bit of a spring alergic reaction):sad: but ill survive,

marcheen, tx, ill do details after i finally decide on the overall composition, but i started doing some composition sketches.

tuck
03-30-2005, 06:18 AM
I like your concept. It romantic.

tariqr
03-30-2005, 09:20 AM
Hey Neb, this is turning out to be a really cool piece. Are u planning to have a few more slaves scattered around the place? maybe the Egyptian slave could have been a prisoner of conquest. Once a master, now a slave.

Can't wait to see more.
T.
:applause:
My Master & servant : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222506
My Web Site : www.tariqart.com
Battle Angel : http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=203795&page=1&pp=15&highlight=battle+angel

nebezial
03-30-2005, 09:55 AM
Ok i hve this new idea, now... bare with me, what if it was.. an orgy, NO, NOT A HARDCORE PORN THING!! but more of a sensual delight free of emotions, and there in the middle of t all love is born,

tariqr that is a great thought there, ill look into it, im working on more now so ill post it tonight:D

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 10:23 AM
yeh i thats sounds great,i wud luv to see a hardcore porn thing........

...and by hardcore porn i mean a sensual delight free of emotion :shrug:

nebezial
03-30-2005, 10:29 AM
RIIGHT... now , why am i not surprised u would say something like that?:twisted:
ull see tonight when i post it u twisted minded creature who does a great work in drawing!
oh and go check my 3D concept hehehe:twisted: :twisted:

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 10:41 AM
ur 3d stuff is the greatest,concepts sketches where :eek:

my 3d knowledge is sumthin like..... 0.1111 % though.

nebezial
03-30-2005, 11:06 AM
Thanx NOOB im glad u like it. i only hope i can make it all in time... what am i talking about, I MUST!:bounce:

MoonVisionStudio
03-30-2005, 01:24 PM
Nice classical image! Awesome work so far.

nebezial
03-30-2005, 05:04 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112202281_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112202281_large.jpg)

well here is a little update, i am going for the roman bathhouse enviroment, these two will be blended in when i make the whole enviroment, for now they are just kinda roughed out

MDN67
03-30-2005, 05:30 PM
I like your draw, all your sketch are beautifull but i don't know your choice, for me the first sketch is a lovely concept, i prefer this, i hope this is your choice, very good work:thumbsup:

suk-grigorij
03-30-2005, 05:38 PM
Hey, I cant see any strong connection between picture and story.

Good Luck

BlackDidThis
03-30-2005, 05:57 PM
hmm now there is a VERY thin line that you are going to have to tip toe on such as not to degrade all your hardwork. Sort of like how you have to search for specific keywords that it is a depiction of an actual event rather than a made up scene that was put together for the 'maazyne' to sell out to youngsters.

Can you get where I am getting at?

In my opinion, I can see your last idea to amazingly fit into the whole composition that you have brough to this level. AND I know that you have the intentions set on austhetics than anything else. It is just that I think you should try not to POSE your models in this attempt. Make them caught in casual conditions you would be able to within the orgy you have mentioned of. Sort of like the diffrence of watching an X rated movie of an orgy, and looking at a photography of a couple having sex. Can you get what I mean?
As much as 'posed' focal points would have helped you out on your other thread, and infact on the earlier version of this thread... it would sort of cheepen your work.. as fantastic as you may try to artistically paint it in.
Like at some points few people just sitting and not necessarily doing anything. So what I am trying to force you to do in order to retain a control over the composition is to pay with the clour values of the tints and hues of regions of the image, and not by controlling the pozes individually, trying to set values to them one by one.

Well as I said.. a thin line.. I hope you can understand what I am trying to go for there.

And one more thin lie is that, depending on how your image follows you may b getting other type of reactions. Thats norml, I agree. But those that shall readt CAN use the fact that this is very close to breaking one of the rules to get a leverage and to sort of make things ugly.

It is all up to you. I would be very anxiouse to see you go through it. And HOW you do, since I am sure you gave it long thought. I just hope you do it all with class :)

Good luck (Oh .. a very impressive image BTW)

Black

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 06:24 PM
as much as i enjoy naked lesbians making out................

i think it needs to be a little less *foward* ,i dunno maybe about to go for a kiss,but not actually kissing her????

i think that sums up what blackdidthis is saying..kinda

but yeh...i'm still gunna right click save this for ...ehm....study purposes.

*prints out...sticks on the end of bed*

nebezial
03-30-2005, 06:36 PM
interestin thing about this one is that it will be located outside and blended into the overall composition... i hope, but u know what they say if the glove doesnt fit. i am currently working on the surrounding space which is divided into plans. i intend to use light and colour to accentuate the main aspect of the picture, well that is if i suceed. but im pretty confident, i also intend to make these two as a part of the background composition, it wil serve as a thematic contrast between the whole quick sex and real love... although .. i was also thinking, what if i just made marble sculptures, oh well ill probably change alot of things in the next 15 days which is my own personal deadline to make a finished lineart, ill take all the suggestions into consideration and scale them with my own vision. .. who knows, maybe something will come up from this work, thanx everyone:D

Wilco3D
03-30-2005, 06:37 PM
I like all of the images so far, but I think NOOB is right, maybe if you bought the two women's heads apart a little bit, it wouldn't look like a pose? Just an idea anyway :) really enjoyed looking through your thread, goodjob and goodluck :)

sidchagan
03-30-2005, 07:04 PM
The bathhouse idea is great, and you're on the right track by making your last drawing blended in the background- the detail on it (rouch as it is) is still amazing enough to make its own piece, so you dont want it taking attention away from the main part...but you already know that :P.

nebezial
03-30-2005, 08:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112215258_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112215258_large.jpg)

well here i did a quickie here jus to show u what i meant by blending in, i intend to give each character my full attention, this is just a rough concept here

NOOB!
03-30-2005, 08:56 PM
ooooooooh i see!!! looks ggreeeeeeeat

now add sum candles sumwhere.

AlyFell
03-30-2005, 09:08 PM
Gotcha! I see where you're going with this now... it's a bit saucy! :) I much prefer this environment... certainly more exciting than a kitchen! ;)

marcheen
03-30-2005, 09:19 PM
man... i love the composition and overall image. one of my favourite entries. keep it up, i'll be checking for updates

DyslexicDan
03-30-2005, 10:00 PM
Oh wow, now I kind of regret taking the weekend off from the challenge. It looks like I fell behind a bit. As far as complements go I can’t think of anything that hasn’t already been said.



Good work.

Speaky
03-30-2005, 10:11 PM
Nebezial, my word that's good! Good sense of light though I'd imagine the inside darks (roof area) ought to be a lot darker in comparison with the blinding daylit wall. Just a suggestion, but I find the background characters have the same visual dominance as the foreground. Maybe you could have them in the shade, sharply sidelit and thereby retaining the focus on the foreground?

One last thing ... I think the nipple facing us ought to be shifted left slightly and perhaps up a bit.

Overall, fantastic work!

Tariq12
03-30-2005, 10:19 PM
Hy Neb, WOW! Dude this is looking awesom. I love the mood. Just a small thought and i'm sure you are on it as i am writing this, the leg on the chick with the red band is a little too high and disproportinate. u might need to move it a little down and in. The knee mighthave to be near the shoulder of the other girl. As I said i'm sure these are details you've picked up.
Fantastic Work. Pop in again soon.
T.
:drool:

DyslexicDan
03-30-2005, 10:22 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Speaky. The nipple of the one woman does look off center a bit. It was correct back in sketch but the color changed the shape of the breast a little and now the nipple it looks like it is sitting just a little bit on the inner side of breast.

BlackDidThis
03-30-2005, 10:35 PM
Hmm well I hadn't really meant to have them not kiss.. or for the figures to be far apart. But to really kiss and not pose the kiss.. to really be living in an environment that it feels normally bended than to try and sell it out. Close-up or not.

But none the less talking for nothing here. I like what you personally seeem to have in plan. As I said before.. I think it would really fit in perfectly (I think the exact word was "Amazingly"... what ever). But there is a thin line that may still look good shall you pass over it... but would cost a loss in the 'coolness'


Well so we count our 15 to expect an actual composition?


Will be doing that! Keep it up...


Black

Silveraxe
03-30-2005, 10:44 PM
this is very beautiful!! :D

i love the light colors a lot. and the details are very nice too, esp the couple kissing at the back XD cool detail!

best of luck!! ;)

lanedaughtry
03-31-2005, 12:50 AM
The addition of this environment adds a lot to this piece.

I would definitely center the statue on the right within the view into the courtyard its in. Thats my only current suggestion.

Otherwise looking amazing.

-L

Slav
03-31-2005, 01:20 AM
very cool start. looking slavey. :)

good luck.

Miker
03-31-2005, 01:31 AM
im really amazed. cant say much on the negative side. great work!

ms@zx
03-31-2005, 01:51 AM
:thumbsup:very good job done for the environment,it suits perfectly to the piece.those taking bath on the background caught my attention.lol,while u are at it,alil off focus on those people in the background would create even better sense of depth for the entire composition..the whole thing is nicely lite.:wise:

madone01
03-31-2005, 02:11 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112202281_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112202281_large.jpg)

well here is a little update, i am going for the roman bathhouse enviroment, these two will be blended in when i make the whole enviroment, for now they are just kinda roughed out
how in the hell was this made it looks like a it use jus a few stroe of the brush dawng man awsome job whats ur sercret

victim335
03-31-2005, 02:21 AM
No chances for us mortals, GREAT, no crits, you're fast, real pro :buttrock: :buttrock:

sidchagan
03-31-2005, 03:13 AM
Just stunning, and definitely much nicer than the original background concept. The details are there, but they blend into the background well. So far, the right side seems a little empty, but I gather that its only because of lack of textures- its still early after all.

francis001
03-31-2005, 03:22 AM
Wow quite decadent! Master and Servant definitely comes through in this piece.

Is it just me or do the columns/archways in the background look like giant yammies?

Arc80
03-31-2005, 03:27 AM
cool work so far dude. Nice colors and all. Can't wait to see more detail.
The postures are great and commucates well.

Keep it up,
Archie

birdybear
03-31-2005, 03:54 AM
You have really great faces drawn. Good luck. :)

teknotek83
03-31-2005, 03:58 AM
I'm really enjoying the lushness of the scene. Good luck with those characters! http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

fooxoo
03-31-2005, 04:43 AM
Last addition - very cool! Good composition and the girls in the bg give an extra touch to it all. Good.

W-I-L
03-31-2005, 04:51 AM
really nice to see colour.. you are fast. last i checked it was black and white... love the lighting and composotion. no crit

nebezial
03-31-2005, 01:26 PM
Thanx everyone i just made a mile long eply thanking everyone in specifc and my link broke AAARRRRGGGGH my fingers just cant do it one more time:sad: . so i am really grateful. and there will be candles, and the girls wll bwe a bit separated and the whole background is just a 15 minute doodle, oh , yeah, and kitchen rocks meoow:D

mack72
03-31-2005, 01:42 PM
This is coming along at quite a pace now! I'll have to pull my socks up and knuckle down! This is looking great. I loke all the extra characters added, gives the piece more mood!

Great!

calisto-lynn
03-31-2005, 01:44 PM
i agree this last thread is muuuuuch better than the last 2 compositions.

i especially like the 2 girls in behind doing, hmm whatever they are...hehe:p

i mean i like that u gave every character each it's own charisma..and that they are not mindless servants! i love it! :bounce:

THE Wizard
03-31-2005, 01:46 PM
Super je Stjepane! Stvarno je do jaja! Al obrati paznju na sitne detalje, jer kad gledam sliku ne shvatam sta on radi drzeci njenu ruku (dal je vuce da je podigne sa kreveta, dal joj stavlja nakit ili skida, tako da mislim da ukoliko bi npr. stavi nakid da visi iz posude koju drzi druga riba i oko ruke ovo nabildovanog baje jedna od ovih poslednjih dveju mogucnosti bi bila uocljiva) Znas sitnice cine velike stvario velikim!:) OZbiljno samo napred navijam za nase! (hrvat, srbin, slovenac - big deal:shrug: )


my master and servant 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

nebezial
03-31-2005, 01:57 PM
TOOO CAREE ma on ti nju pere al m se još nije dalo t o završti, ima vremena:D
Thanx calisto:bounce:

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 02:03 PM
Super je Stjepane! :shrug:

i wish i cud speak another language

agabba te bleda quaddra!...does that sounds real? :sad:



can't wait for ur next update,feel free to take a day off though..i know i did.

misiek1125
03-31-2005, 02:09 PM
great work! beautiful charakters, and nice scene, keep workin' on it

nebezial
03-31-2005, 02:09 PM
Bwahaha man ewery time u post something i laugh my head off, just to translate it , it super je means its great:thumbsup: yeah i wont be posting an update tomorrow cause i am going to a birthday party and then m gonna get drunk and make sucky updates:D hehehehe. buuut tonight.. welll the day is young:)

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 02:13 PM
dude?!?....no....i was joking about taking a break....NOOOOOOOOOOO!

super je means great ?!?

how do u say *this is a piece of crap!!* cos i got lots of threads i can use that in.....

:twisted:

calisto-lynn
03-31-2005, 02:18 PM
ehehehe.. whoops it seems 've been living under the rock for few days!! when DID u post the two girls:drool: i saw it just now in the bigger version.. NICEEEEE..

rokaš ćepo!:love:

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 02:22 PM
ehehehe.. whoops it seems 've been living under the rock for few days!! when DID u post the two girls:drool: i saw it just now in the bigger version.. NICEEEEE..

rokaš ćepo!:love:


ok...so ur not straight r u??? do u like men and women??

...cos that wud be so cool!!! hehehe

nebezial
03-31-2005, 02:31 PM
welcome to croatian 101 u say it like this, KOJE SRANJE oh and about the updates, woeeee i know ill get the shakes... mus...t d.ra.w muust-t-t u up..date...AAARGHHH

calisto-lynn
03-31-2005, 02:36 PM
to NOOB: of course i'm straight! well..a little bit from column A, and a little bit from column B..:D

i admire feminine beauty, and love manly roughness...i bascly love to watch.
and u NOOB..whicever thread i open, there u are. how do u do it?? you are like bamboocha NOOB: you are everywhere!:curious: :bounce:

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 02:40 PM
aawww...i was hoping u weren't straight....

nebz sorry for intruding ur thread again,but at least we're keeping it alive.

i'm not everywhere,maybe u jus think i'm everywhere cos u love me.

:buttrock:

calisto-lynn
03-31-2005, 02:47 PM
awwww...now im even more sad...but...im a bit loony...:sad: i like men and women!!

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 02:49 PM
awwww...now im even more sad...but...im a bit loony...:sad: i like men and women!!

:eek:

YAAAAY!.:applause:


now lets stop messin up nebz thread before he destroys us.

eddieellis
03-31-2005, 02:50 PM
dude you got some serious drawing skills man

Neozoom
03-31-2005, 04:43 PM
dude^^ you're good man...
Now , I have one more challenger very hard with enayla^^ hehe I'll work hard :p

thx for the omment anyway.
Wait to see more , the last comp is great^^

+++ by man . I keep an eye here^^

nebezial
03-31-2005, 05:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112291419_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112291419_large.jpg)

well im doing more concepts and poses. these two go in the back, the girl is actually sketched her in the previous post, the black guy will be jammin with the egyptian girl. and the girl will be feeding the birds in the cage

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 06:02 PM
yep,i wud like to have a sensual delight free of emotion with her.

MaxLarin
03-31-2005, 07:39 PM
It is good coloring. I like this. Good luck .

AIR
03-31-2005, 11:12 PM
Ojla okla mamu liti li ga ne.KOJE SRANJE.Sta sada uz rasturanje u 2d kategoriji poducavas britove hrvaski jebem ti.Nice composition on the les scene,like it a lot,I see U haven't lost yur touch.Yeah,I cant play in this playground untill I finish the motorcycle piece.GRAGGGGRAHHGGGRRR.Yeah,are U sure about the pen tip,seems to me it wares of slowly but steady.

Juha
04-01-2005, 03:43 AM
thats a one hell of an entry.. totally good stuff, kee it up ...

nebezial
04-01-2005, 10:27 AM
thanx people, im currently working on the composition of characters in the outside courtyard and am writing some of my thoughts on the concept, and im also getting pissed off that i messed up a pat of the face on my 3d work, but ill fix it, and NOOB, Calisto, ill use my awesome powers to turn u both into chickens !:D

NOOB!
04-01-2005, 10:31 AM
great,then i cud fry myself cos i'm friggin hungry!

calisto-lynn
04-01-2005, 10:53 AM
hey..AIR what r u talking about, the pen doesent...puucuuck..wear off..:eek:

arrrgh..dammn..peck..peck.. u nebezial, i cant stop...arrgh..u were serious about turning me into a chicken..kwo..kwooo...

about the sketch..peck..is she greek? maybe u should make her nose..puucuuck..a bit lumpier, y know, the way they drew it...kwooo...aww come on dispel it already..ok i promise i wont be making a hot line of your HOT THREAD!!THERE! HAPPY? well u dont need advices from us chikens i guess...:D

nebezial
04-01-2005, 11:12 AM
ok ok ill dispel it, geez u dont need to go laying eggs all over my thread, dechickenus terminus... there!:D

rastko
04-01-2005, 06:38 PM
:applause:
Strava ti je ovo! I ono 3D je odlicno, ali ovo....
Ovaj lav i riba razbijaju!

Razbi ga :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Pozdrav

newcenturydsn
04-01-2005, 07:49 PM
This is gonna turn out really nice, U work fast too, are you gonna incorporate the 3d background?<<is that allowed?>> it would look great, the detail is awsome!

Keep it comin'

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 07:51 PM
this just keeps geting better and better!

TheFirstAngel
04-01-2005, 09:07 PM
Hi Stjepan!

this is what i'd call a very classic and classy way to approach the topic. your characters look very well worked, the light if fantastic, the new composition nailed a fine way.
Great and excepional strong work in progress, keep it up mate, have laodsa fun and best luck
cheers :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

nebezial
04-02-2005, 03:54 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112457244_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112457244_large.jpg)

just playin a bit, since there is still plenty of time i decided to play with the composition of the main characters, kinda trying to evoke some slight different feelings, this is just an idea, im happy with the first concept, but i say carpe diem, work work work, anyways i didnt do any work last night so i am making up forit, thanx for all ur support, ill be replying to all the support on monday since my connection at home is slow

Neozoom
04-02-2005, 04:00 PM
I love the sight of the mistress in the new concept ...

but anyway , I prefered the other compo , and you were very more advanced....
and the emotion of master / servant was more present in the other comp too....
I loved the two girls kising in the bath in the background...

:D

just councelling you to keep the other, IT ROCKS!

andreasrocha
04-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Great style...you sure work fast! The two girl's kissing sketch rocks!

rickycox
04-02-2005, 04:48 PM
Nice work, I love that sketch of the kiss. I'd be tempted to make that more prominent in the pix.

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 06:02 PM
yeh...i hate u.

nebezial
04-02-2005, 06:06 PM
nooo ...why?:D what did i do?

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 06:08 PM
ahahaha i knew u wud reply to it.

u sed u weren't gunna reply till monday,i just knew i cud get ya 2day.

bwuahaha.

i don't hate ya,i'm just jelous,cos i have tablet block.

nebezial
04-02-2005, 06:11 PM
crap man , u have my deepest symphaty, yeah i just couldnt resist, i was out last night, but i was sober... so my mind went into overdrive:D

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 06:15 PM
crap man , u have my deepest symphaty

yeh...right U DON'T CARE

:sad: *runs crying*

p.s. seriously,great art.

nebezial
04-02-2005, 06:18 PM
cut the crap man, i didnt work for a day, and i got all twitchy, i can only imagine the feeling of frustration:sad:

NOOB!
04-02-2005, 06:27 PM
*takes a shit*

*cuts it into pieces*

there ....the crap is cut.not sure why that was neccasary.YEH I SPELT NECCASARY WRONG,SO WOT!!

i just can't seem to friggin get what i want,and at the worst time.

and its all ur fault.

with ur god like skill.:bowdown:

:banghead:

are u gunna use that pose for ur master,or just having fun??? i like em both

nebezial
04-02-2005, 06:33 PM
ego flying ...stump... damn ceiling hehe, riiiight dont worry man u can handle it, there is a lot of time to do it:thumbsup:

nebezial
04-03-2005, 01:20 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112530851_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112530851_large.jpg)

well i made a lil study to position my characters in the courtyard... damn,only picture i spent so much time making was "call to ragnarok" for expose, still havent decided on the main characters position, im working on the third concept right now

Aidenn
04-03-2005, 01:43 PM
Whoa, I like your work.
Great colours and shapes and everything, though I must say I like that yesterday's composition of main characters more, it conveys their emotions stronger and deeper. Anyways, good luck in the challenge, Stjepan!

NOOB!
04-03-2005, 01:49 PM
......

:banghead:

hhssuu
04-03-2005, 04:58 PM
hey man, i think your concepts are looking good, and i think your idea could really make a great piece of art. i especially like you lighting, keep up the good work.

eupee
04-03-2005, 05:19 PM
every sketch is CRAZY! this is a great piece. what do you use for reference when drawing these figures, they are incredible. Did you study anatomy for 10 years or something! i want your secrets.

nebezial
04-03-2005, 05:49 PM
hi NOOB:D
tx aidenn, i just came up with something inbetween
hhssuu, i will:)
eupee i use no references whatsoever, i have been drawing comics and upgrading my skills for three years now, i guess i just look at the world with interest:)

tilite
04-03-2005, 06:05 PM
this is brilliant... u have such a beautiful refined style, i love it.

i spent some time going threw this and was really intregued with the concept i always knew of it but dont know anything about it. u dont have a wesite link to some basic infomation on this topic do u.

1 last comment... up until that last post the tastfulness of the nudity was great... something u could actually imagine in roman times. it kinda hit a sexual theme with the last post. not that thats bad... its still a great image... but y?

best of luck im now subscribing?

nebezial
04-03-2005, 06:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112548097_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112548097_large.jpg)

ok this is where i need ur help, the first composition is classical calm,master is a master, the second one,is more emotional, where i changed emotions for masters dignity, third one
makes the servant allmost dominating the master in her moment of dilemma, and now im in a dilemma where to go?

NOOB!
04-03-2005, 06:14 PM
as much i love this pic. *WOWISM!!*

it looks like he is humpin her doggy style,and she is about to have an orgasm.haha look at her face.

*ahem*

maybe reposition his waist and stomach?

i'm in a dilema with ur work too cos i luv em ALL!!

Aidenn
04-03-2005, 06:21 PM
Hey, this one is great! The expression on her face is *almost* perfect. Though NOOB!'s right, it does look a bit like humping :P, maybe shift him a bit to her side. ;)

nebezial
04-03-2005, 06:27 PM
YIKES!!!:eek: didnt notice it:D tx people

GhostInTheMachine
04-03-2005, 06:29 PM
maybe you should make her angry and show all the [slaves] cowering. or have her unexpectedly slitting that guys throat (cos she likes to do that). bit of blood n gore would be nice...
top drawings tho, good work :thumbsup:

tilite
04-03-2005, 06:31 PM
the last one with the setting of the first. u cannot change the expression it iss perfect.

great work

BlackDidThis
04-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Hmmm, don't know if it would be any pointer to your part but according to me; in the earlier version he was a slave to her, out of own desire or anything alse. In this version he is more a gigolo in his stance, and the glitter in his eyes are more of self pride on how good he is at what he preforms to compair to the saticfactory overwhelmness from being allowed/able to touch her.

Now since they both fit into the story line they would both work. Infact the second one would sort of give out more. But this is the part where things get a little messed up. If you had stuck with the earlier background I think it would be ver cool. But when the whole court if filled with flesh and the desires of it... the foreground characters suddenly become a part of the prop. No matter how more they are in the front land the rest in the background. Do you get what I mean?

So I would say that if you want the story not to change I would sudgest to keep the first one alive. The short montage had proven it to be very effective with the 'distant' contact they have.
Shall you decide to go for the new approuch... then I thikn you may want to concider making the subject more in a way "we are servents to our desire's". But that may really get you to dangerous waters.

Well as I said.. I don't know if it would be any pointer to your part but these are what struck me in my first glance.

Good luck;

Black

nebezial
04-03-2005, 06:38 PM
thanx black, i agree, i am kinda walking on thin ice, i myself like the first composition the best, but am trying to take a look at it from different angles, tx for the advices man, very useful as allways:thumbsup:
tilite, i like the expression too but unfortunately as black mentioned it does require me to modify the concept, but there is plentyy of time left to work it all out, thanx everyone:thumbsup:

THE Wizard
04-04-2005, 12:17 AM
MRZIM TE!:) This is awsome, I'm speachless, no wait... wait, I'm typless .......


ok i can type now. This is one great piece of work. I love it!:thumbsup:

svaka cast!!


http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

El Mexikano
04-04-2005, 12:35 AM
wow!!! amazing nebezial I love the concept an design of the background ,.-:bounce: keep it going

walrus
04-04-2005, 12:55 AM
Hey, Nebezial, all of these are looking great so far! But you wanted an opinion on which ones were working better than others, so...

concept 2 is the least clear to me what's going on. He's holding her hand but it's not clear what he's doing, or why she has that expression. At least in concept 3 there is a clear connection between his actions and he reactions. But that being said, I still like #1 the best. The relationship is the clearest, as it should be for a theme like this. She looks strong, commanding, and there's interest there. In #3 she's just melting beneath his hands. Fine, but not as compelling as a strong master in #1. And also, I agree with Black, if everyone in the pic is into this orgy, then two more folks in the foreground doing the same thing doesn't say as much as something more clearly delineating their relationship.

But anyhow, loving your work so far, can't wait to see which one you choose and where you take it!

-mike

nebezial
04-04-2005, 07:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112595566_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112595566_large.jpg)

YIPPEEE we got thumbnails. walrus, thanx man, i agree, the new ones do lack the master in them, but i made this new facial concept to go with the first concept, i wanted that , im gonna say it, im not gonna say it look, im pretty happy with this one

Goro
04-04-2005, 07:37 AM
beautiful characters!
The facial expression in your update is awesome!

Rock on!

nebezial
04-04-2005, 10:51 AM
thanx Goro, yeah im pretty satisfied, but i think ill do 2 or 3 more just to be sure, i got some more angles in mind:D

Arc80
04-04-2005, 11:00 AM
what's up dude,

She looks really pretty. very nice. Keep it up.

cheers,
Archie
My master and servant entry (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224331)

MDN67
04-04-2005, 11:28 AM
Your sketches are as finished paintings, you has an excellent technic to paint characters. A question: go you finally decide has to choose a sketch so that we see your work of colorization, which, I think is going to be extraordinary, when we see your sketches

nebezial
04-04-2005, 12:03 PM
thanx Arc80
MDN67, thanx, i like to approach to sketching as a study of light and colour, later in the final work i tend to do some proper blanding and shadow analisis. usualy i just paint my work in a day, most of my cg posts were made that way, but there are exceptions:D

AlyFell
04-04-2005, 12:12 PM
Very sweet! Nice expression, and I love her nose! :)

Tariq12
04-04-2005, 12:50 PM
Hey Neb, That is a really BEAUTIFUL face. I also loved your prvious few posts. Seeing you stuff inspires me to really pick up my game and get some serious stuff done on my challenge.
i'm so glad to meet another comic book freak as well. Saw your witchblade and Hulk. They were awesome. I loved the Hulk ,he's my favourite character. As you know through my white queen post i sent off some stuff to marvel recently. But i also did some pencil stuff for Crossgen. Pity the company folded. Infact a few days ago I got approached by an Image comics outsourcing company to do some work with them. I still don't know what the project is. I guess after i get the NDA, they'll let me in on the project.
I must say though man your old style rocks and your new style rocks even more.!!
Talk to you soon.
T. :buttrock:

Tranchefeux
04-04-2005, 01:16 PM
Hi,

You, you does not laugh with your stylet, good control, good
luck for the continuation. :thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-04-2005, 01:27 PM
yeah, just like tariq12 said, i also love your work, and it makes me go ballistic with working, y know draw till my eyes pour out...:D

MoonVisionStudio
04-04-2005, 01:55 PM
Beautiful face, so many lovely images to fall in love with on this site!

nebezial
04-04-2005, 01:56 PM
tx tariq god, hope it works out for u, i ll get back to my comics after this contest, lemmeknow how it turns out man:thumbsup:
Tranchefeux mwahahaha:D
calisto, im glad my work inspires u , buut keep the eyes ull need them:eek:

mack72
04-04-2005, 01:59 PM
The more you paint, the more I want to see! This is getting stronger all the time!


Cheers
Mack

nebezial
04-04-2005, 02:31 PM
Jose, Mack, thanx for all the support,man i cant wait to just make the lineart and get to some serious colouring:D

DyslexicDan
04-04-2005, 04:40 PM
Jose, Mack, thanx for all the support,man i cant wait to just make the lineart and get to some serious colouring:D

:surprised

some serious colorung?...

nebezial
04-04-2005, 06:04 PM
well...yeah, this IS a sketch u know:D

XIA
04-04-2005, 06:14 PM
Nice face you got there. Keep it up.

dzudzu
04-04-2005, 06:32 PM
nice face dude :)

BlackDidThis
04-04-2005, 06:34 PM
well...yeah, this IS a sketch u know:D
Nobody likes show-off's you know! :cool:


:)

NOOB!
04-04-2005, 06:38 PM
well...yeah, this IS a sketch u know:D


any the cockyness begins hahaha...

great update,she has a sexy nose...which is sumthin i will never say again.

THE Wizard
04-04-2005, 08:19 PM
prekini ovako dobro da crtas ili cu stvarno poceti da te mrzim!!:p :cry: ;) :banghead:


GREAT GREAT GREAT !:bowdown:

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

nebezial
04-04-2005, 09:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112647693_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112647693_large.jpg)

ok im sorry yall if i sounded cocky but i honestly had no intention to. what i meant to say is that my final colouring will be additionaly empowered by the enviroment of the background. now here is a lil test of skin shading...i never knew the possibilities of overlayin mode of brush.

nebezial
04-04-2005, 10:17 PM
umm i forgot to say that this is a pose study and she WILL be wearing clothes:D
oh, yeah and i started on the background lineart...BOOORIINGGG!!!

NOOB!
04-04-2005, 10:24 PM
:sad: i give up.


:shrug:

THE Wizard
04-04-2005, 11:50 PM
If you add clothes to this gal, well I'm sorry but I'll have to ask all of guys here to join me in massacrateing you... BuahhaHAhhAHABUAhaha:)


Ahhhh, I'm kidding... Well done. I DEFENITLY like it!

Samo, cini mi se da si vise paznje posvetio na bojenje lica... Nekako mi telo deluje zapostavljeno, a nebi trebalo, jer ima dobro telo....:)

Aidenn
04-05-2005, 12:21 AM
I think I liked her more before. But that's just my feeling. ;)

Slav
04-05-2005, 12:23 AM
very very lovely imagery ... its comming along soo well i cannot even say much except just sit back and enjoy the updates!

sidchagan
04-05-2005, 03:01 AM
While your third concept is original in itself, I think your first one is by far the best. There's just a certain elegance and grace to it thats lacking in the latter two, no matter how good they look.

ms@zx
04-05-2005, 03:20 AM
damn neb~!!all ur sketches here turn me on.http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/scream.gif(kidding)

man,the latest piece,she has the face carved by an angel and the body of devil~!
u are driving me crazy here with this entry of urs..keep going mate!http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

TheFirstAngel
04-05-2005, 03:28 AM
hahaha, dobro dobro. damn, so good to watch your sketches. hottie here changes poses like a real model and looks so good doing it. :P
now i like all really all your concepts so far, and i also would appreciate to see you make many many more sketches of her, but in manner of a timeplan, i'd suggest you to become 100% sure of the scen's story, and then visualize focused on the idea. nah, keep sketching, we all love the show! lol :)
keep it up, and i'm looking forward to what cutie finally will appeer. keep on rockin' mate!

NOOB!
04-05-2005, 11:40 AM
damn neb~!!all ur sketches here turn me on.http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/scream.gif(kidding)



:curious: kiddin eh?

nebezial
04-05-2005, 02:29 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112707797_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112707797_large.jpg)

well u have all been so nice to me that i decided to make this short skin shading tutorial, i hope the administrators wont hold a grudge on this one i will post my real update tonight, this one is fonr anyone who finds it useful, and i forgot to write this, dodge tool, the less u use it, the more powerful it becomes

Gamoron
04-05-2005, 02:46 PM
You should really post your tut in one of the tut forums. Would help a lot of people out there. I think it was a great idea and liked to see how you go about your method.
Thanks for sharing!
:beer:

walrus
04-05-2005, 03:34 PM
Yeah, thanks for sharing your techniques with us, Stjepan! Much appreciated!

-mike

BloodTaster
04-05-2005, 03:45 PM
thanks! nice and helpful tuto!!:thumbsup:

BlackDidThis
04-05-2005, 04:04 PM
Nobody likes show-off's you know! :cool:


:)I double that post =P

:)


Great presentation Nebezial.. you made it so simple and explainative at the same time! Even made me wanna paint!:thumbsup:

Thanks;


Black

AlyFell
04-05-2005, 04:08 PM
What a nice little tutorial Stjepan! Many thanks! :)

Big-Boi
04-05-2005, 04:24 PM
hey neat. thanks for the little tutorial

Miyagu
04-05-2005, 04:38 PM
thanks for the tutorial! :)

i like the emotional background-story.. and the drawings are very very nice!! :thumbsup: not much too say.. i´ll wait for the updates :)

calisto-lynn
04-05-2005, 07:45 PM
thank u nebezial for your tutorial.. i find it very usefull.especially cos i'm really havin a hard time colouring... JOJAM!!!:love:

nebezial
04-05-2005, 08:11 PM
no prob people, just hope u can find a use for it. this is just a quick tutorial for sketching , maybe ill do a proper one soon

NOOB!
04-05-2005, 08:23 PM
that tutorial is useless.:rolleyes:

hah,j/k

bro did u find a way to post on mi forum yet??

dodge tool eh?man...... we need sum painter..

Marcílio
04-05-2005, 08:38 PM
man, I'm liking it!!! also thanx for da tut!

nebezial
04-05-2005, 08:42 PM
ill have it taken care of this weekend:D

Tariq12
04-05-2005, 09:34 PM
Hey neb, thanks man for the tutorial. Gonna sure try some of this technique out.

Peace,
T.

BaronImpossible
04-05-2005, 09:43 PM
:thumbsup: Nice tut, really effective! If I posted one it would be 50 stages long and everyone would die of either laughter or boredom before the end.

nebezial
04-05-2005, 10:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112735132_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5947/5947_1112735132_large.jpg)

well back to business as usual, glad u liked the tut. i finaly decided what in the hell will the slave be doing, now the only problem is that i have yet another background idea, something more classical and more not so historical... i guess ill make up my mind or il make two background linearts, slap some colour on them and then decide. man it is frustrating seeing all those colouring wip and still have to lineart the damn thing...AAARGH i want my background...sigh

digitalputty
04-05-2005, 10:14 PM
:eek: HOLY CRAP! :O Wonderful work! :thumbsup: