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AIR
03-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Damir G.Martin has entered the Master and Servant 3D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5918)

Latest Update: Final Image: LOSS
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1116371741_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1116371741_large.jpg)

Loss

The day was at end,shadows growe longer,but heat was still untolerable.
Big clouds started strecthing out.But it seemed as they dont bring nothing but darkness.

Only thing that still resisted this uncomfortable environment was group of men.
Tyred slaves dragged heavy block of stone across this hostile waste.
Stone was probabaly purposed for construction.
In front of slaves walked big horned animal,carrying a man on her back.
He was controling slaves,he owned them.

After trawelled long distance slaves just couldn't continue anymore.
They stopped to rest.Master,cruel by nature,didn't like the idea.
Angry man took his wip and started snaping over theyr heads,but no use.
Tyred man satt down in shadow of stone asking for water.
So,having no other than to grant them some rest,he ordered one of slaves
to take of big terakota dish hanging from saddle and giv other's to drink.

Younger slave,in fear approached master's animal.Master stared at him
from high creature's back.Young slave started picking up dish when suddenly
animal,nervous cos of heat,moved.
Dish fall down breaking in pieces,and water soaked warm dusty ground.
Master furiosly kicked scared slave who fall down,and agressively forced animal
to trample poor slave.

Just as he killed slave,he tourned arround to start slaves draging again,one of them got up and screamed.
This slave run towards killed one throwing him self on knees,bracing dead body,crying.
Master was stuned.Started screaming on slave to get back with others.
This crying slave,as if he did not hear anything,stayed,picking up body on his lap.
Master,like insane,began wiping old slave.But the old man did not move,he didn't react to wip cutting his back.Nothing,just tears,tears for his son.

Whitnessing this drama,other slaves unonimosly jumped and attacked master.
After taking him of the animal,they took his life.

Hope story isn't to long.

AIR
03-22-2005, 04:41 PM
I have never participated in souch challenge.I think in this short time I have gain enough
skill to do something competetive and challenging,I THINK!?.I'm also glad to bee involved in this since lot of big talents are participating too.I wanna see how close have I got to them.
Can't wait to see the first concepts.
Think if my work get's to bee among the top 20 works I'l be the happiest man alive.
If not I'm just gonna try harder.
Whatever happens I wish all u fine people BEST of luck and lots of fun. :) :buttrock:

nebezial
03-22-2005, 06:02 PM
Štaje papak nauči igrat halo:D Soo air is in the air eh? well u know what i do with air !? I BREEATHE it yeah ! good luck man:twisted:

>>JaKe<<
03-22-2005, 06:15 PM
oklaa oa di ste jebem vam ! nije vam losa stranica

AIR
03-22-2005, 07:20 PM
Ok this is an idea i got after some thinking,and thinkig was the key word here.
The story behind the image will be next.
The world is basicly the same place we live in but with the dinosaurs making it to
the presence,and by itself the mankind's slower evolution towards the modern man and civilization we know.
In this world people have same hierarchy,simmilar religions,work's basicly as it did work in past.
The particular scene Im doing shows us the moment.
The master we see is very cruel,sort of tyran.He patrols trough his fields in order to keep slaves working 100%.He and his beast of dinosaur are very convicing figure for that part.They pour fear in the slaves bones.
This image depict's a moment where one of the servants who was responsable for bringin water to the rest have triped and fall down trashing a water bucket.Master was near,and he saw the slaves mistake.Cruel master approached to the unfortunate slave and trampled him with his beast.The slave died .
So,broken bucket shatered arround and water from it mixing with the blood of broken body lied under the beast.
One of the slaves came fast throwing it self on the young body,and began crying and mourning.It was the boy's father.Master couldn't believe souch boldnes and pull out long wip,and started swinging at the old man.The man did not respond to that.He just kept crying and beging for mercy.
Other servants have whitnessed the entire situation.
That was he moment that triggered slaves to rebel.They jumped from theyr working positions and sourrounded master.It all happened very fast.One slave throwed piece of rock that hit beast in the head.Animal started spining arround nervously,and than they came and started hanging on the dinosaur and trying to pull master down.
Master,for the first time,realised the meaning of fear.This was his end.
I hope it is understandable,despite some speling issues.

bahman
03-22-2005, 10:09 PM
Very good idea :thumbsup: I think its better to work on relationship between brain & body ,It's very

important.

eddieellis
03-23-2005, 01:48 PM
I was just thinking of this idea, except i was going to have the mans Hand as part of the mouse, and his face sort of surgicaly attatched to the screen !...

AIR
03-23-2005, 08:19 PM
I like your giger reproduction,I though my self doing some of his works,he is amazing artist.
The idea you said you are going for hase its roots,If you read Dennis Koontz Midnight,I think u know what I mean.I am thinking of abanding my first idea and skiping to something more interesing,something involving dinosaurs or dino like creatures and humans,kind'a Dinotopia stuff.I though,Why don't I make image and story that I would enjoy at the same time and participating in challenge,get the job and the pleasure together.

eddieellis
03-24-2005, 09:09 AM
I haven't read him, sorry..... it was just an idea, just thought it would be a powerful image as we are all slaves to our computers...
My entry is nothing like this idea, i was just thinking of it at the time i was reading peoples posts.

To be honest this challenge is all about getting a re-action from people, so im am trying to go for a emotion peaice, plus i want to do something beautiful, and take a brake from my horror stuff.

Good luck with you new concept, but i do think you were on a winner with the old, and if you do decide you do decide you want to cary on with it, your more than welcome to incorparate my thought.
If you dont and do a new concept, think you said its always good to do something that your interested in, as you will enjoy it more and people can tell if your hearts not in it.

Good luck mate and keep me posted

nebezial
03-24-2005, 11:39 AM
HehHEH guardians eh? Yeah come to think of it it does have serious cg potential oh yeah here is a suggestion and knowing you you allready thought of that one but what if the meteor missed:wise:

AIR
03-24-2005, 03:06 PM
Thx Eddie,STIV'N,It woul be interesing to see what would happen if dinosaurs didn't
extinct.If the meteor had missed earth,we probabaly wouldn't sit at our computers and doing things we ussualy do.Scary thought.

AIR
03-24-2005, 05:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111689262_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111689262_large.jpg)

Ok,this is the other attempt.Now,for a change I think I'l stick with it,It is result of two days
intensive brain activity.It involve dinosaur:)Allthough he is not the main motiv to me it is going to be
the thing that will keep me in the project,call me weak,but there it is.
Anyway,the story tells this.
The world is basicly the same place we live in but with the dinosaurs making it to
the presence,and by itself the mankind's slower evolution towards the modern man and civilization we know.
In this world people have same hierarchy,simmilar religions,work's basicly as it did work in past.
The particular scene Im doing shows us the moment.
In it we see how the master loses control and authority over everything he thought he controled.
Unnececary violence and overforcing lead to the inevidable.
Think that true Master and servant situation is possible only if two of them have full understanding
and mutual respect for each other.Without it,is nothing more than illusion.

xcuse me for some bad spelling,afterall,I have never actually studied english.

smaddl
03-24-2005, 05:51 PM
nice choice. it's a complicated scene. good luck :)

nebezial
03-24-2005, 10:29 PM
whassamatter are you insane, captain , the cpu will break it doesnt have the power. Well since i know wery well the polygon count of your characters,:argh: all i can say is this is not a challenge just for you , it is a hardware breaker.:eek:

AIR
03-25-2005, 12:27 PM
Hey,U,yeah U,2D guy,have U ever danced with the devil in a pale blue moonlight.
Anyway,Peopleee,Does anybody know is it allowed to use old models from personal
3d library.

nebezial
03-25-2005, 04:22 PM
Hey man ill whoop your ass so badly that you will fly thru top, side and front wiewport and land in the perspective:twisted: , whoa, i didnt know we can use our older models...SWEEET:bounce:

AIR
03-25-2005, 05:24 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111775051_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111775051_large.jpg)

Another update on the subject.
Im thinking to put more servant slaves arround the dinosaur.
Servant's are trying to pull down the master.And the master,covered with the shadow of death(dinosaur head)is in disbelieve,animal turns it head in his direction,and terryng appart the belt that keep her jaws shot,goes for a deadly byte.
On the ground there lies young dead slave and his father,miserable and desparate.
It's going to be hell of a challenge to get theese expressions(master,father,slaves)Cos I have never actually made human face in 3D before.

pigwater
03-25-2005, 05:46 PM
ambitious piece you have here .. i could be fabulous if it don't break you r computer .. looking forward to seing how you develop this:thumbsup:

AIR
03-25-2005, 11:44 PM
Thx for comenting my attempts to create something.Thank YOU people.

DaddyMack
03-25-2005, 11:51 PM
Heya A I R, love the new direction and the dynamic nature of the layout etc...It's great!

pigwater
03-25-2005, 11:58 PM
hey AIR .. you had a question about pre-made models ...

rule #3 says no pre fabricated models and then list terragen/poser/etc. .. & it means prefabricated by us also .. we have to build everything starting with the challenge ... that is the "challenge" ... other wise we would all just be cutting and pasting old stuff to fit the theme

AIR
03-26-2005, 05:18 PM
It seems so,I just wanted to be 100% sure of it.
THX anyway pigwater

AIR
03-26-2005, 05:22 PM
THX dude,hope to take it exactly as it looks in my mind.

AIR
03-26-2005, 05:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111861885_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111861885_large.jpg)

Here is the update on modeling.
Im making a body,later it will be modified for all other servants individualy,and master in the end.
Head will come separatly

DaddyMack
03-26-2005, 07:02 PM
Whoah A I R, your progress is astounding! the body looks a little bit flat..ie not quite round enough on the sides yet. Otherwise...Awesome:thumbsup:

AIR
03-27-2005, 03:39 PM
How did u see it Daddy,I mean,insuficient data,the flaw with the sides of the body,I have made them rounder after sending this render.THX for crit.

nebezial
03-27-2005, 03:50 PM
Hey there , i see the zbrush serves u well:) Sretan uskrs

AIR
03-27-2005, 03:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111942203_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1111942203_large.jpg)

This is the master,the fatt ass on the dinosaur.I need to finish the belts and little details on the helmet.The helmet
is like made out of armored animal.
Still don't have clear vision of how the rest of armour should look,and how well armored master will be in all.Im making sketches.Opened for suggestions,if any.

nebezial
03-27-2005, 04:01 PM
a di su sise ? hehe

AIR
03-28-2005, 02:37 PM
Yeah,finaly,Z brush is the thing we missed.Geting used to it still,but,the ease of modeling is just unbelivable.

nebezial
03-29-2005, 09:56 AM
Yeah i know... but im not going to use it this time. i just cant get hhe topology i want. ah well, maybe when i learn it better

Juha
04-01-2005, 02:47 AM
great concet- like it a lot-beautiful modeling-kee it going-good luck-

AIR
04-07-2005, 10:30 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112869803_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112869803_large.jpg)

this is master with its body,need to make clothing.He wont be fully covered in clothes.Im thinking of something belt straps and few leather pieces.

suk-grigorij
04-07-2005, 12:52 PM
Good modelling, tovaristch. The polygon density is too high, don't you think.

Vsego nailutshego. Best of Luck.
Check out my work, if you are interested.
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=224891

nebezial
04-07-2005, 01:15 PM
more angles man, we need more angles and work on the expresion, it kinda looks like a samurai mask as it is, i like the body, but i must say relax that flubber round his waste, and maybe some jigglines round the hands, cant say anything for the polygon count cuz it is probably a high rendering iteration, i like where its going man, no excuses now GET BUSYYY:thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-07-2005, 01:16 PM
YAAAAY!! GO DAMA GO!! im not into 3d, but i bet it was hard to make a mesh, c'mon make up a story!! cant wait!! NABRIJANOST!! ROKAJ!!:buttrock:

eddieellis
04-07-2005, 07:26 PM
Looking good my friend, nothing to crit as of yet

AIR
04-07-2005, 08:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112904235_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112904235_large.jpg)

Here is another image with angles of the master.I need to take few corections in mouth area,on stjepan\'s-a.k.a nebezial sugestion.And maybe body too.But the main thing that bothers me is the clothing.Must create something,anything...phiuuh.

DaddyMack
04-07-2005, 08:28 PM
Hi A I R, good use of the flab so far, I think you could drop the fron flab on his belly down a bit more for an even better effect, and he looks like he really wants a butt...Great work so far man:thumbsup:

AIR
04-07-2005, 09:16 PM
Daddy,I thought of that too.I'l probabaly do it in further work on the master,since the guy will be siting on the beast,his stomach should wrinkle a bit more,thx for the advice do.
Linda,,,I see U are here too,regards gerla.

nebezial
04-08-2005, 07:23 AM
much better, one thing though the bellybutton makes a crease on its own

prevedeno, salo ti radi nabor iznad i ispod pupka tako da ti se iz pupka horizontalno stvara jedna bora... ja bi trebao znati:D

AIR
04-08-2005, 07:30 AM
I should write it down,gee.so much trouble arround this belly. :hmm:

AIR
04-08-2005, 10:51 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112957458_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112957458_large.jpg)

I made an experiment with default Max materials.I can't wait to see how will it look like when I make apropriate map and other for the skin.I never created human,so this is a challenge in more than one way for me:)
Could use some advices on the subject.

AIR
04-08-2005, 07:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112988099_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1112988099_large.jpg)

Ok,this is the last post of playng arround with default max materials and rendering it one after another,what to say,kid cant have it enough.
Next post will be about the actual progress.

AIR
04-09-2005, 11:42 AM
The story behind the image will be next.
I have brought few base lines about the concept but here is a bit detail version.
This master in particular is very cruel,sort of tyran.He patrols trough his fields in order to keep slaves working 100%.He and his beast of dinosaur are very convicing figure for that part.They pour fear in the slaves bones.
This image depict's a moment where one of the servants who was responsable for bringin water to the rest have triped and fall down trashing a water bucket.Master was near,and he saw the slaves mistake.Cruel master approached to the unfortunate slave and trampled him with his beast.The slave died .
So,broken bucket shatered arround and water from it mixing with the blood of broken body lied under the beast.
One of the slaves came fast throwing it self on the young body,and began crying and mourning.It was the boy's father.Master couldn't believe souch boldnes and pull out long wip,and started swinging at the old man.The man did not respond to that.He just kept crying and beging for mercy.
Other servants have whitnessed the entire situation.
That was he moment that triggered slaves to rebel.They jumped from theyr working positions and sourrounded master.It all happened very fast.One slave throwed piece of rock that hit beast in the head.Animal started spining arround nervously,and than they came and started hanging on the dinosaur and trying to pull master down.
Master,for the first time,realised the meaning of fear.This was his end.
I hope it is understandable,despite some speling issues.

6foot5
04-09-2005, 07:08 PM
some very nice modelling there, good stuff, im keeping an eye on this one.

AIR
04-10-2005, 12:33 AM
5foot6,I liked one of the earlier sketches,,and u should start modelling dude.
I just read the forum about how much do U sleep.I can't go in new day without
7-8 hours of good night sleep.Actually,im kinda sleepy wright now.Im writing s....t
O.k,,,this is just another excuse to put my thread back to the begining,desparate.. :cry: :banghead: :argh:

calisto-lynn
04-11-2005, 01:41 PM
heeey DAMA!! nice work, the body seems fine, but here is a suggestion, try to do something with the head.. with a people fat like that, the head goes a bit bigger and mushy.. it has the fat under the chin, y know merged down to the neck.. keep up! ill be watching u!!:thumbsup:

AIR
04-11-2005, 10:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113259728_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113259728_large.jpg)

Since I wrote notes directly on to image....I'l expect re's and comment's,
And in the meanwhile drop on finishing other accesories
for masters final appearance.

arLutiK
04-12-2005, 12:41 AM
Wow, very nice modeling, great work you got there. :applause:

Neeno
04-12-2005, 01:04 AM
hey there dude.. first of all compliments on your great work.. If your asking for comments on the gear well here they are..
Head sheet under the helmet great id go with that, looks alot better, if your going to go for the earings i only suggest on in one ear.. and make it a thick hoop type earing (like the old crusaders used to have) a nice tight bangle around his Bicep would sit just nicely and add great detail to the model.. giving him that stylised feel. Belts and buckles should be there because the jacket just doesnt look right sitting the way it is.. so other then that great work man.. looking foward to see more.. hope i have helped you in anyways i can..

AIR
04-12-2005, 08:25 AM
THX AURLIK,glad U think so.
Neeno,Thanks man,U did helped.U just read my mind or something,,,U'r teaching mind control or what,,,KGB man. :) :) :)

AIR
04-12-2005, 11:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113348460_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113348460_large.jpg)

Im making the bandana,persiana whatever is it called,not shure should I leave
the plate or move it to recycle bin.
I would probabaly put the fabric trough Z brush to get more of fabric kind a drape.

AIR
04-13-2005, 09:36 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113384965_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113384965_large.jpg)

Here is the post with belts and some enchanced clothing mesh.
This challenge becomes more and more intersing as the time goes.

Versiden
04-13-2005, 10:38 AM
wow, this is great work. I like the straps and the clothing especially. I'm glad I stumbled onto your entry.

AIR
04-13-2005, 11:17 AM
Thx Martin,Im even happier to get souch nice and encouraging comment from a talent like you.I like your idea too,elfs and fairys are so interesing and intrigue.Your image gave me flashback of me as a boy,when I often went to the fields chasing butterflys and grasshoppers.See ya.. :)

alexichabane
04-13-2005, 12:07 PM
Hey, fantastic modeling on the cloth materials and starps! They look great, the folds and strecth marks are really convincing. Everything a a good sense of wieght and volume, and the design is inteesting as well (especially the character's hat). Keep up the good work, Alexi.

nebezial
04-13-2005, 12:17 PM
šta ne izgleda ko da mu je netko čekićem smrskao nožne palce:eek: lookin great man, great work on the clothing, its all about accesorising

teapoter
04-13-2005, 01:06 PM
great work it well be an excellant image waiting foryour next step

suk-grigorij
04-13-2005, 05:37 PM
Huh. It's great. Perfect character. nothing ti crit. Keep it up,mate.

My thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224891&page=1&pp=20

JamesMK
04-13-2005, 09:58 PM
Very cool - the clothing and accessories work really well, and the facial expression is pretty perfect. The cloth on his head struck me as a little odd at first, but on second thought it kinda makes sense too.

nebezial
04-14-2005, 09:50 AM
ponovi za mnom, ovo niš ne valja:D malo da te puknem na vrh ,UPDATES MAN WE NEED UPDATES

aliasali
04-14-2005, 10:14 AM
Vey nice style with ur characer! and very nice model! loved the very neat and really realistic pose of ur character!

Keep it up!:thumbsup:

AIR
04-14-2005, 04:49 PM
THX people,,thanks for the positiv comments,I still havent got time to check all your
concepts but I'l defenetly going to.
SUK GRIGORIJ,seen your stuff,very impressive. :) :thumbsup:

eddieellis
04-14-2005, 09:11 PM
nice, love the model, the thumb looks alittle strange though, but that might just be the angle of the shot....

AIR
04-14-2005, 10:00 PM
Hi eddie,,the thumb,,yeah,,it's just cos I put the model on the plane little off,so the thumb actualy merges into the plane,,,just a wip thingie:) but you guys dont let nothign slip,do ya.....That's the way to inproove on our selves..

AIR
04-14-2005, 10:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113516208_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113516208_large.jpg)

Hi people,next post will be about finished model of master I hope.Can't spend any more time on him,because there's about
10 servants waiting to begin with.And don't need to mention dinosaur.Alltough,in this point I dont know should
it be dinosaur or just somekind a beast,,or
modern animal,like elephant,,need to think on that subject.
And texturing,,,S...T :) :{ :( __________Im wishing myself good luck here.
Whooa,and I jus noticed,something wrong with the belt buckle,Im soo tyred.need some sleep.

And yeah,any comment on the proportion is not needed cos of a ortogonal shot,
no perspectice no proportion.

soapy
04-14-2005, 10:27 PM
heheh, I built a buckle for some boots on my model and hand the same sort of problem for a minute...
Nice work on that bad boy, he is one ugly mofo!
cheers.

WesleyTack
04-14-2005, 11:47 PM
good work!
i noticed the belt is facing the wrong way aswell (but you already know) other then that it looks really good! keep it up

Versiden
04-15-2005, 08:49 AM
no crits.. looking very good.. goodluck for all the modelling ahead...

Maxko
04-15-2005, 09:59 AM
Great work with clothes.

nebezial
04-15-2005, 10:06 AM
hehe cool , kinda makes the belt loose its purpose doesnt it:D

AIR
04-15-2005, 02:38 PM
THX soapy,versiden,simon.wt,maxko and last but not the leest,nebezial.
U guys should see his work in 2d,,nebezial,,u son of a gun.
Yeah saturday,that is the day i hope will bring to the end master modeling issue.
It's so hard to work for this challenge,,and at the same time be a kindergarten nanny.
That is the job im dealing with theese months,hope it wont last forever.
There is lot to fix and tweak in order to meet some expectetions.
The buckle,,I mean,,i tok my belt and you know,gave a look,,,,I dont understand.
Sometimes we just can't trust everything we see.

I MUST CARPE DIEM,,and literally,
since i have never studied english actually
dont know is literaly spelled with 2 l ot 2 t
or both.
Ok,now im diluting forum with irrelevant fluff
:) :p

Mordalles
04-15-2005, 11:12 PM
this guy looks really mean. great modelling.

AIR
04-16-2005, 07:55 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113681343_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113681343_large.jpg)

Ok,I broke prommise,master model still needs boots.
NOW,I would for shure appreciate all the comments and crits I can get on the master model.And naturally the textures are yet to be added.
But for now im jumping on the servants.
THX in advance

Virtuoso
04-16-2005, 09:50 PM
Hi Damir......Looks real nice.The modeling has a good versatile look,and a primal/tribal look and feel,something I like personally....Nice little touches.....an overall nice job here for sure.....textures will be nice to see now......but first you got to get those servants done.....we are in the same boat at this time...i am finishing my master,and then will texture him as I create my servants.....So get his boots done,then get to the servants...Doing real well......I'l be seeing you as you move forward.....Nice job....:thumbsup:

smaddl
04-16-2005, 10:27 PM
great and expressive model :thumbsup: his arms look a bit odd but i'm sure it will be fine when he'll be posed.

banzato
04-16-2005, 11:30 PM
I love the concept. If you build all the things with this quality im sure that this will be a great job. Keep going my friend, let me see the animal. :thumbsup:

AIR
04-16-2005, 11:42 PM
Virtuoso,thanks for such crit,which is more as compliment actually.Theese positiv responses giv me wings,power to press and work even harder.THX.as for u,nothing to say,things are
talking for themselves.Im just inpatience to see the final image.

smaddl,your wright about the arms,,I noticed it also as I made the post page for cg in photoshop,,I think it is light,,cos I dont see those weird distorsions in viewport as I rotate the model,atleest not so much.i hope in pose it will work much better,,if not,,bit tweaking might giv it desired look.

banzato,may your words become of gold and true......buenos noches amigos,im off to bed.

Micro26
04-17-2005, 01:06 AM
very agressive look this guy has...Awesome work with the clothings:thumbsup:
Keep it up like this:bounce:

goktugg
04-17-2005, 01:28 AM
going so cool.:thumbsup: all modelling steps are looking good.
good luck!waiting your update!:)

AIR
04-17-2005, 09:45 AM
THX goktug,I'l trye to update as soon as possible.

MR micro,thx for the compliment.

Maxko
04-17-2005, 10:01 AM
I am satisfied with you A I R :). Very good work.

AIR
04-17-2005, 01:44 PM
Im glad I meet your expectations maxko dude.

WimH
04-17-2005, 02:39 PM
Very nice modelin keep goiing.


http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2174850#post2174850

AIR
04-17-2005, 04:09 PM
I will crapple,Il keep going.Wright now Im answering this nice post crapple,cos I need start gathering reps and + or - crits and comments,and generally every feedback I can get.
It helps me be objective and keeps my spirit up with the challenge.Thx.
Il keep going as long U guys keep commenting,,aint fun working alone with your mind. :)

GabrielW
04-17-2005, 04:12 PM
hahah he has real nice fat ass man:):) nice model

AIR
04-17-2005, 06:46 PM
GabrielW,hey man,you like it.I mean model,,not the ass.:)

GabrielW
04-17-2005, 09:13 PM
the mode is great, hihi not his ass :D:D. it was joke:):):) i like it very much friend:):) hie hie

InTerceptoV
04-18-2005, 10:52 AM
The character looks great at the moment. ;)

Hope to see it textures soon.

AIR
04-18-2005, 10:57 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113821869_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113821869_large.jpg)

Hi,I have bagan modeling slaves.
First in rowe is going to be father slave that cryes desperatly for his
lost son,Which was killed by master.Two of them are the reason for servants moutney.First I want to take care of theese two characters before going on servants mess in background and the beast animal.

manikantkujur
04-18-2005, 11:13 AM
ur WIP is impressive......good luck

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=225407&page=2&pp=15

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=225407&page=2&pp=15


:bounce:


:)


:scream:

nebezial
04-18-2005, 11:29 AM
usta su mu preširoka, si skinuo taj msn messenger, tako si možemo bolje pomoći jer možemo slati skice i wipove na korekciju i savjete ,tako smo brži i bolji, izvrsno izgleda

suk-grigorij
04-18-2005, 03:13 PM
Great modelling. As always.

goktugg
04-18-2005, 03:15 PM
wow!...perfect!...:) extraordinary face expression`i think

venum
04-18-2005, 03:46 PM
:thumbsup:

Really Nice modelling. The expression of the character is really nice. I like the details, the creases on the face. The Body is nice as well. We can't feel that much perfect symetrie. You have broken up it very well.

Well Done.

arLutiK
04-18-2005, 06:06 PM
Great expression you gave him, keep up the great work :thumbsup:

AIR
04-18-2005, 06:17 PM
manikantkujur ___THX man,glad U feel so.

nebezial,___U right man,,I sould narrow them one bit,I ne,nisam jos to skinuo.Trebo bi al sam lijen.Znas kada sam ja tebe tlacio da skines ICQ pa nisi nikad,,jednostavno smo prelijeni za neke stvari.Jak ti je 2d MS, rokaj care,jebote,ti si skoro kandidat za neku od nagrada.PRZIIII mi se srce moje.........YEEEAAAH :applause: :thumbsup:

suk-grigorij thx man,I really,,I mean really like your stuff.

venum,thx for the nice comm pal.

arlutik____Im happy for this comments,,cos now I can go on without improoving on my "old father" model exept few minor details,THX PEOPLE ,YOU are beautyfoul,YOU are great,PEACE on earth and with each other.... :thumbsup:

ilusiondigital
04-18-2005, 06:23 PM
Very good modelling head, i hope to see more


My M&S http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=229417

overcontrast
04-18-2005, 06:57 PM
hey nice modleing dude... it really expressses a realistic sad emotion. But i think the lips r too wide... and right now the mesh is too messi.. but i kow ur gonna fix that in tym anywas.....orite man keep up theg goow works... :thumbsup:

AIR
04-18-2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113863803_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113863803_large.jpg)

I finished body for "old father slave"
The green stuff goes into Z,and seems to me everybody knows to use Z much better than me,,but,,,Il figure it out yet.
I should make chain from his neck piece,
have narrowed mouth,tomorrow probabaly starting with son of the father.
Comments are truly welcome!

They make me be a better artist.

nebezial
04-19-2005, 09:16 AM
nema komentara care, samo roookajjj mamu li im maminu:thumbsup: , u gonna make it!

AIR
04-19-2005, 11:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113909470_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113909470_large.jpg)

Hi,,I finished fathers dressing,and chain.
Only need to make somekind rope or something that will keep the piece on him.
C&C are NEEDED :) :)

Maxko
04-19-2005, 11:31 AM
Nice character, no crit :). Really good work man :)

AIR
04-19-2005, 02:25 PM
Maxko,Your image U sent me,,,Disgusting,,,the stuf in its brain,,just creepy.Great model.
Remind's me on the carpenter's THING,,brilliant movie,lots of atmosphere,,,Keep't up pal.

PeterSanitra
04-19-2005, 03:09 PM
The modeling look good so far.

AIR
04-19-2005, 07:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113937863_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113937863_large.jpg)

This is a sketch I made.
I was thinking of how to pose my characters and I came up with this.
We se father chracter sad for great loss that struck him.His son is dead.
His son was the only thing left in his damned slavery life,and now,that's gone,that's what story tells.On the side of both characters I intend to put broken
water jar,with water spilled arround soaked by dirt,and mixed with blood of young boy.
Dont know yet the technical way of executing this one but I'l figure out the way.

d-tox
04-19-2005, 08:34 PM
damn, modelling looks really good! and you seem to model pretty fast as well. I really like it!:thumbsup:

DaddyMack
04-19-2005, 09:51 PM
Hi A I R, this is turning into a real work of art man! Great work on the modelling so far and I really like the new twist too..
Keep it going strong man!

AIR
04-19-2005, 10:08 PM
Daddymack,The dead ted,no comments.
dtox
thx a bunch for thoose comments.

I have started texturing master.O my goad,Im going to have so much trouble texturing,,cos Im such lausy texturer,technically.Well,Il doo my best.

rastko
04-19-2005, 11:58 PM
Very good modeling. Keep up good work.
Nice concept too.

Srecno!

smaddl
04-20-2005, 12:21 AM
very nice modeling. the father head and expression is great :thumbsup:

AIR
04-20-2005, 12:22 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113956532_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1113956532_large.jpg)

I still need to crack UVW unwraping,,
this is just small experiment on
overall(light,,bump,text)LOT'S of work
ahead.

Maxko
04-20-2005, 01:01 AM
Nice experiment with texture. I like it.
A I R .. I am so glad you like my picture (avatar) :) thank you.
and yes, nice sketche, really like it. Continue dude :)

AIR
04-20-2005, 09:17 AM
Maxko,,pal,,it's not problem to like something that looks great:))
THX smaddl,,I like your avatar too,its catchy,,,did you modeled it too?
Abishai,,,i tebi puno srece frende...

nebezial
04-20-2005, 10:06 AM
excellent work on the skin, looks convincing! rokanje begins:thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-20-2005, 11:26 AM
hiya! great textures dama!:)

venum
04-20-2005, 11:36 AM
this test of texture is promissing.:)

I look foward to see more

patina
04-20-2005, 02:34 PM
Hi, I will make sparrows or swallows as the creature, I had thought about using a
female heroine, but I like the idea of birds as creature,

I like your texturing,

super work!

Patina



[QUOTE=A I R]

Hi
Welcome patina,and good luck too.
I like your hunchback.Are you putting other characters aswell or you stick to your idea of exploring this one.?
SEEYA :)
__________________
I'l think of something clever.I know I will.Just giv me enough time and you will see.

atra
04-20-2005, 03:13 PM
WOW :)

That face is great. Maybe the skin bump looks to rough, but it will be realistic when the figure is placed and not so near.
The slave has a great expression, you did a very, very good work.

Stvarno nemam reci :eek:

AIR
04-20-2005, 05:54 PM
HI.
atra,,thanks atra.I agree on that remark.But as you said it your self,whan the character is posed,and away from the camera,it wont be so rough,and again Im still looking for the right
skin look.
patina,thanks for the crit,Interessed to see where you going..
venum,I hope I'l continue posting,for my sake.:))
calisto,pa de si lindach,,,kako je,sta se radi,,,ej bas sada idem vidjet sta vas dvoje imate...
Take care,,And Stiv'n has a really realistic chance getting an award,It would be great for all of us,,big Stivn's friends,,;;;::))))
nebezial,,Nothing but respect,,I allways talked,,He is getting places,,making diference in
our lifes,,,Respect,,samo nemoj zakakat concept sa nekim ff pi.darijama,keep it close to the ground..
THX EVERYONE;making my rainy days feel kinda good actualy..ROKKKAJ

nebezial
04-21-2005, 10:27 AM
what ff shit , ff rocks for ur info!!!:thumbsup:

AIR
04-21-2005, 11:12 AM
NEBEZIAL __Whell than I obviously had wrong info,my bad.:)
And as for my progress,,Im curently texturing my master character,and at the same time starting the beast,,the animal he is riding on..
If you guys seen my earlier sketches You probabaly know I was thinking about dinosaur.
Now im not so shure,,It could be something inbetween.Il probabaly send another closer sketch of what I have in my mind.
Till then im sending regards to entire cg community from my smallnes :scream:

AIR
04-21-2005, 05:37 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114105021_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114105021_large.jpg)

Here it is,,as I said,I thinked bit more about the masters animal,and I think this could be it,..
I could realy use opinions on it.
Earlier in the process I was thinking
making somekind meateater dinosaur,,than,I thought it wouldnt work.Imagine a master riding t-rex,,too much,to fantastic,It make us wonder,,how can he control that piece of meat and muscles.
And my idea was to keep as close to the ground with whole thing,,
so this could be some herbivore prethistoric animal that could easily exist.I mixed things coming from dinosaurs and rhino species,(two horns)also extincted,,dont know the exact name.
I'm opened to any good suggestions on the creature,,cos I'l start modeling tonight,probabaly,,so,tomorrow We can expect post on modeling wip with creature.
carpe diem,,,and night,whatever in latin that sounds like :))

Maxko
04-21-2005, 05:45 PM
awesome sketche :) great character design, i like armor on his head :)

AIR
04-21-2005, 06:51 PM
Maxko,thx for the support pal,The head armor and head itself is also my fav part of entire creature.
I was thinking putting more armore on it ,,but then
does not make too much sence,cos this master is not marching into a war,,he just patrols trough his fields looking on his slaves,and taking care the poor bastards working they'r ass off.
Thx again.
Any opinion is valiable,and I treasure it like,,,ok,,im b...sht..ng.
serious now,I like to hear objective observations,,Well,You guys know what I think....:)

venum
04-21-2005, 08:51 PM
:)
AIR:

It's gonna be really interesting to see the different step of the modeling of the creature. the sketch is great.

continue dude.

:thumbsup:

pigwater
04-21-2005, 09:40 PM
great progress you've been makin A.I.R .. i was wondering at first how you were gonna pull this complex concept off .. but your pumpin it out for sure ...

nice sketches/concept on the animal thingy ... fun watchin this thing fill out your vision

i'll be lookin for the armor and animal :thumbsup:

rastko
04-21-2005, 10:02 PM
Great sketch.
Bas mi se svidja skica, malo me podseca na Star Wars :).

Pozdrav

AIR
04-21-2005, 10:27 PM
Hi people.I guess that creature is ok since nobody giv me some serious critque on the creatures appearance.Thank you.
ABISHAI,,susjede,pozdrav takodjer.STAR WARS,that's a big compliment man,,thx alot.. :)

Pigwater,thx for beeing aboard,I enjoy watching your hillarious and yet serios stuff work progressing from sketches to the final thought..

Venum,,this next post is for you.

DaddyMack
04-22-2005, 02:35 AM
Hi A I R, the creature looks more than ok!
Great sketch, it really kinda alludes to the fleshiness of the character...We'll enjoy watching you build him;)

Keep it coming

Neeno
04-22-2005, 02:40 AM
looks awesome.. great design of character.. what yu using for the modeling process of this creature?
this is going to be one hell of a beast!

AIR
04-22-2005, 08:59 AM
Nenno,thx for crit,,I use max and some Z-ing,Neeno,I read the crit on your post wright now,and i would definetly listen to advice of one guy,,,Maybe you should put your clouds in the perspectice,,and a lot of chain rain in the distance and closin in...think about it..

DaddyMack,thx pal,this warms me up for upcoming work,,thx again.. :)
Everyone who still didn't seen Dadys page on MS should do that.
Dead Ted stuf is just killer.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AIR
04-22-2005, 10:28 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114165702_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114165702_large.jpg)

HI guys.
Here is an update on masters animal.
As you can see,for the first time I posted real wip stuff.
Since Im just a freshman in the cg and 3d world,we could say im still in deep learning waters.
This kinda work with making "notes" in each step of modeling progress
took me lot of time,I just didn't understand it.
Ok,this could be usefoul to people that are starters just as i was a year ago.
The animal was modeled in poly.I made a poly box and with beweling and extruding came up with entire creature.
I also used copy edge tchnique,sort of like lofting i guess.In the end I'l take model,as everyone else into Z and start cooking.
Things gone lot less complex with Z on our hands.Modeling a good creature is now a one or two days manic work,or 3-4 easy going.
I know about Z sphere modeling,but we could say Im still devoted to max,so I make my job biger part max,smaller Z.
Other reason is probabaly,i dont fully understand Z and all his goodies.
TONIGHT AN UPDATE on modeling!!

You know what to do with comments if there is ones......

venum
04-22-2005, 12:30 PM
:)
Air. thanks for the post. The Low Def of the creature is nice. It's a nice step for the high Res.
I in hurry to be monday to see the next step of the creature. You're doinf well. congratulation

:thumbsup:

nebezial
04-22-2005, 12:33 PM
looks cool sorta star wars meets jurassic park, love the design man, oh and how dare u calling me wrong on my own thread ...the neeervee, GIT OFF MY PDROPERTY U NO GOOD YELLAR COYOTE:D LOL yeah i noticed it yesterday but the sofa is 75 cm wide so all i needed to do was to reposition guys hand, but thanx man, be brutal that type of critics is the only useful one, later!:thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
04-22-2005, 01:53 PM
...hey man thanks for posting the way u modeled out the body of the creature....nice update and most helpfull...:bounce: :thumbsup:

AIR
04-22-2005, 03:34 PM
Me again.Im happy u guys liked my wip,,,cos I learned from you people,,
especially from Dimitris and that sort of cool dudes....:))

DIMItri
NEBEZIAL
and last but not least
VENUM THX ya

AIR
04-22-2005, 03:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114184449_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114184449_large.jpg)

Hi again.This is another step,taken in Z brush.
This is not as good as previous post in wip,does not have good continuity,but there it is.
Tonight the animal is proabably going to be finished.
Seeya.

nebezial
04-22-2005, 04:49 PM
allright, cool brushin dama iz in hiz element now!:thumbsup:

DaddyMack
04-22-2005, 08:22 PM
:cry: this is just great A I R, me needs zbrush...Love the step by step too:thumbsup:
Keep it coming

AIR
04-22-2005, 10:35 PM
THX Daddy,you'l get it sooner or later dude.
Im happy you guys like my step by step,but as I said,have learned from the best on the cg,,,:))

morgan
04-22-2005, 10:36 PM
I like your stuff. Really good models...

AIR
04-22-2005, 10:42 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114209754_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114209754_large.jpg)

Hi people.
I "finished animal.
The tail needs point.
Stil not too satisfyed with look.I like proportions and general,but wrinkles and details are giving me the headake.
Really would like to hear few good opinions.
Basicly,i hope lot of that will be
upgraded with textures and accesories,,,
But might giv it bit more tweaking time.
Good night and good fight.

DaddyMack
04-22-2005, 10:59 PM
Hi again A I R, I'd say your character is pretty true to your sketch so far, just some tweeking on details over time, some more muscle definition and maybe a bit of (sorry) flab, like his dewlap, or just some sagging skin here and there..Great work so far, keep fighting the good fight Damir:thumbsup:

AIR
04-23-2005, 08:55 AM
I should defenetly try something you mantioned,sagging skin on parts or flab'z.
need to make him more touchable,physicaly correct,if that is possible.
THX for constructive comments.If there wasn't for the comments on the master,
I would have a dumm looking fatso,,but now he is more or less mean thing.
THX again,wonderfoul community is this CG place. :)

vegass
04-23-2005, 09:12 AM
Izgleda sve ok za sad....razbij ih brat 'rvat ! :thumbsup:

AIR
04-23-2005, 01:13 PM
VEGASS,I'l try for that part,,got to push,,,today,actually,,tonight im posting finished animal,if everything goes as planned..a ti susjed,,radis sta zanimljivo?

eddieellis
04-23-2005, 01:29 PM
looking great my friend.... i dont think its the bumps on the face, maybe more the bumps on the neck that look alittle strange...

Keep it up and dont give up ! :thumbsup:

BlackDidThis
04-23-2005, 02:16 PM
Your thread is going fantastic. I especially like the master starting from post #28 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2089412&postcount=28) on. He is really turning out to be fit for the role.
And the adition of the slave father was a very good touch.
I am not too sure about the details on the dino's face yet though. But since some amount of details are going to be covered by the gear; I think it better I just wait and see where you take it. So far you have done anything but disapoint us!
Oh, and are you going to fix up the nipples of the father slave via bumps later on?

Good luck with it all


Black

AIR
04-23-2005, 05:07 PM
eddieellis,thx for droping by.Im glad u have an opinion on my work,I especially like comments with certain critique towards modeling or whatever.I did some tweaking on the creature,it still might look suspicious,,but I.l see how things go on after Im trough with accesorising.thx man.

BlackDidThis,Im happy you think so,about master..and slave.
Soon,when I pose characters in the scene,I'l bring U guys one of my doubts too.
But il talk about doubts when i post that image.
For the nipples,I shure hope so.But probabaly wont be seen,cos of the pose...we'l see.
seeya guys.

AIR
04-23-2005, 05:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114276516_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114276516_large.jpg)

HI one more time.This is update on
tweaked animal.To me it looks bit more aceptable than previous,it's not big diference,but few details,aaarggghh.
Anyway,after giving her all the equipment and tex I will see if there is need for more detailing.
Thanx for all the comments till now.
I hope you people ejoy watching this grows just as I am watching your's.
Problem is I'm little inpatience,I like thing's happen trough one night,,soo,this is a bit torture for me.:)

nebezial
04-23-2005, 05:31 PM
birog ha?:thumbsup: biceras translated into more latin eh, gee im surprised to see some great dino modelling coming from u ...RRRRIIIIGGHHHT:D

AIR
04-23-2005, 05:51 PM
That could be a translation in a way yeah.BIROG=BICERAS
I just threaded you,again crit,,im sorry,,dont get mad dr evil.Please.
THX for commenting NEBEZIAL.I ow you great deal in modeling master,,ur crits helped me,,hope my will do same to u.

vegass
04-23-2005, 05:59 PM
..a ti susjed,,radis sta zanimljivo?

Ma, stalno nesto petljam, razmisljao sam dal da se prikljucim i ja u ovom challenge-u, pa reko necu ovaj put, cekat cu sledeci....

AIR
04-23-2005, 06:02 PM
STETA,,bas me zanima sta bi ti napravio.
Ni ja nisam bas nisam spreman za ovaj,,obaveze,,ali nadam se zavrsiti rad.to je cilj.
what happens next we will see.IT's not yet too late for the 2D challenge.:)

BlackDidThis
04-23-2005, 06:24 PM
I didn't exactly understand your doubts. But if you are talking about the details. and how you could add in some more...
I would propose that you play withyour brushes curve to give it a fine tip with a declining parabol. This would make it a dear bit more capable of making skin crakcs and creases.
For the scales for example, with the same brush tip, try to go over the broders of the scales. It should help you pronounce the gathered development from the skin being used actively.
What doesn't look right about your detailes is that the skin os blobbed and blobbed into mounds. But doesn't have any minor creases from the movement of the mounds. Does that make senc to you?
Here is a very good movie that might be of some guidence (Be warned it is not too short):
Drago-Dino Zbrush Video by Rolhion JSthat (http://www.designpicture.com/film/)

I like the dino more now. I think the biggest take from it is the shape of the skull. But that shouldn't be a problem with your head peace you intend on giving him. It's just the general anatomy of his head looks odd. And the skull plays a big part in it at this rate.

There is actually not too much to say, your talents have proven themselves very often. I am sure you will come up with a way to hadle any of the details or anything else in your way.
I'll be waiting for the developments.


Black

Kenzor
04-23-2005, 06:52 PM
Wow there some impressive stuff here. Nice z-brush work, and good lighting in max. both the mount and the master are excellent, cann't wait to see more.

AIR
04-23-2005, 08:52 PM
ken T,thx for commenting,but I'm one of the people who are still at begining with Z brush unfortunatly.thx anyway.


BlackDidThis.Man,You the best.Suddenly i feel afraid.How to satisfye souch great critique.
I think from all the people you are the one with best critics,logocaly made based on work of others,,
The doubts dont exactly apply to detail level of the dino skin,but on posing father and dead son characters into scene,,You will see it,,And I truly hope for souch constructive and hellpfoul crit on that issue.
As for skin,,I understand your proposal,,but I dont own strong computer capable of making lots of detail in Z and then to expect that to function in Max,,it crashes instantly.
Perhaps,il make some post effects and blending with both max and Z in the end,,
The scull of the creature is my favorite part actually.
I was thinking to move eyes towards his horns,,to giv it more agressive look,but thean,I think it needs to look like bit stupid,slow,easy to control animal,and yet fearce,with thoose pair of horns sticking out of her forhead.
Il do my best..THX for support blackdidthis.
seeya.

AIR
04-23-2005, 09:19 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114291158_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114291158_large.jpg)

In the meantime,while Im modeling animal accesories here is another texture try on master.
I dont know about it,,it is not the best texturing,if I can use word best atall.
But i think it could be enough for the final,,cos master is not near camera,and
taking that fact to consideration,dont know does it payoff to lose more time on it.The rest follows soon.

joel3d
04-23-2005, 09:33 PM
Hey AIR. Cool looking monster. You got my vote.

AIR
04-24-2005, 07:39 AM
It was just a matter of time.Actually I began to wonder when is Joel3D droping by,
and here he is,my dinosaur companion.THX for comment joel.
What are U doing lately in cg world.? :) :)

AIR
04-24-2005, 07:49 AM
Hi daddy man,i noticed you was watchin my thread,, :) :)
you guys use some messengeres like icq or msn,,would be nice to chat a bit :wavey:

alex.h.
04-24-2005, 08:09 AM
great work on that head, lovly, see you and :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AIR
04-24-2005, 10:49 AM
alex.h. Thanks for adding a nice crit to my work.I like your fairy world too,U seem like an expert on the subject.Do you work for somekind studio,have you ever participated in biger projects?? THX for watching! :)

alexfalchi
04-24-2005, 03:22 PM
Ho sorry I miss this work..

well I must say , good work mate..I like the concept and models..very well done.
compliments good job:thumbsup:

Alex.

mecman
04-24-2005, 04:01 PM
Nice head here!!! Very well done my friend!
the facial expression is great too!
Keep it up!

AIR
04-24-2005, 04:12 PM
mecman,thx,,still need to finish entire figure tex,,missing teeth tex,,and few bits and parts also..

alexfalchi,Im glad U manage to bump into me afterall ,,:) :)

Maxter
04-24-2005, 04:44 PM
Very nice work... good start on texturing
Good luck!!:thumbsup:

mmoir
04-24-2005, 07:08 PM
Hey Damir,
You have some really strong modeling skills, the texture on the head looks fine to me and the dinosaur looks good too. Great job so far.:thumbsup:

AIR
04-24-2005, 08:12 PM
THX guys,mmoir and Maxter,,thank you both for droping in my thread,
Need to update on the creature wip too. :)

Aethyrprime
04-24-2005, 08:45 PM
Interesting how that texture works on this model.. I love the work on your creature especially.. Keep at it.

joel3d
04-24-2005, 09:31 PM
It was just a matter of time.Actually I began to wonder when is Joel3D droping by,
and here he is,my dinosaur companion.THX for comment joel.
What are U doing lately in cg world.? :) :)

Well, I finally finished the Jurassic Park scene. Here is the hijack, I mean thred, if you are interested.
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=233742

Take care Joel

Micro26
04-24-2005, 09:39 PM
he looks pretty angry:scream: nice texturing:thumbsup:
Keep it comin:bounce:

atra
04-24-2005, 10:35 PM
you did good job here....

The dino is good. I just love the skin, the small arms and strong legs.
The master looks great, and I'd leave it like this.

Damire da znas da mogu da zamislim ovu zivotinjku :)
Odlicna anatomija, bas sam se odusevila. :bounce:
Epa decko, bolje ja da se povucem... :D

AIR
04-24-2005, 10:49 PM
atra,,Hvala ti atra na lijepim kritikama.,,kako je bilo na onom odmoru za vikend?
bas cu morati skociti na tebe,,hmghmmm,odnosno tvoj rad da vidim kako ti ide :) :)
thx for commenting.seeya.
Mr Micro26,,Glad u like it,,I gotta say I like your stuff to,,cant wait for update. :thumbsup:

joel3d.Hi again my companion,,I gotta say i seen your work earlier in wip section,Im glad U
made it.Unfortunatly Im not able to download your stuff since it's large,,and with my nt conneection,,mission impossible.U could send me a few stills,like smal storyboard stuff if you got time,cos I'd like to see it.Thx for being arround :thumbsup:

||) |V| |^|,,man Did u got better from ure could.Il keep at it,u bet will. :)

Maxko
04-24-2005, 11:12 PM
Nice work man :) great update my friend.. :) keep it UP!

AIR
04-25-2005, 09:09 AM
Maxko pal,,I really like your UVW unwraping process,,i still have to learn good unwraping,,hate it.....brrr,my methods are unconventional,so slow,and generally,that's the part of job i hate,,cos I haven't manage to master it yet.But im trying,, :)

Lemog
04-25-2005, 10:25 AM
I've just see yours pages of wip... impressive project... you're already a master of your art... modeling is very clean and details perfect. I like a lot the Master's design... and the head of servant is great. I'm waiting the other details and characters... and also, the texturing...
Best wishes for the challenge, and thanks for your good words in my thread...

Encore bravo et ŕ bientôt :thumbsup:

alexfalchi
04-25-2005, 02:14 PM
no update??....i'm wait:)


Alex.

venum
04-25-2005, 02:38 PM
AIR.

:thumbsup: nice creature modeling. You biped look nice. We can feel it's got a weight and the belly as well. It's look like an inbetween of the carnivosaure and the hero creature of the movie dinosaure. I like it. The detail on the face is great, maybe it's need to be more resolution for a closeup.

:wise:The master texture become more and more nice. the expression become better and better with the texture and the detail, you add.

Nice work Air:applause:

AIR
04-25-2005, 03:10 PM
People,,
venum,thx for the comments pal.They giv me some extra charge for upcoming stuff in this project of mine.

alexfalchi,,Il probabaly update tonight,,if I dont go in someking lasy condition,this rainy wheter just sucks and drains my energy like wind on the dust. :sad: ,but il try :)

Lemog,the master of the nature style,,thx man.Thx for kicking in with a nice wishes.

SEEYA you people are greatest :thumbsup:

nebezial
04-25-2005, 07:13 PM
fight the rain man, fight it!:D

3dRaven
04-25-2005, 08:59 PM
Nice veins on the masters head. The lighting looks pretty good too. Can't wait to see the compo with characters in place.

If it was nice weather outside then you probably wouldn't be sitting at the computer then ;)

You're doing good A I R Keep pushin them polys. :thumbsup:

Virtuoso
04-25-2005, 09:43 PM
Just coming by to give you my tip of the cap for some real nice efforts and results here damir.......Interesting entry and well done.....keep up the real nice efforts here.....:arteest:

AIR
04-25-2005, 11:19 PM
nebezial,,i tryed fighting rain,,but lighting did it,,I had to quit,,just to afraid to loose entire computer with all the works in it..Omagine a lighning strike in your pc just in the moment of peace while you apllyed relax modifyer... :argh: :lightbulb

3dRaven,,,Iv seen your colorfoul project,,just keeps atracting,,,keep it.thx for the comments.

Virtuoso,,thx man,,U are rocking this challenge thats one certain thing.THX for droping a
kind gesture,,thx. :)

OK,,today I lost lots of time due to the wetter conditions,,partly rain as i said partly,because of
dangeerous electricity emmisions from above,,soo,let hope tomorrow will rise new clear sky. :hmm:

AIR
04-26-2005, 10:41 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114512075_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114512075_large.jpg)

This is just a small progress
update.I hope to finish everything
today,,if wetter does not put its fingers in the matter again.
Or if I dont catch cold.NO EXCUSES!!
SEYA :)

Neeno
04-26-2005, 10:55 AM
hey man model looks good.. i dont like the bottom of the mouth that much looks too cluttered.. over Z brushed.. where the chin meets to the neck.. needs a touch up... other than that looking good man! Good luck :thumbsup:

handlebar
04-26-2005, 12:35 PM
Fantastic modeling, i like the attention to detail, and the way your characters form strong personalities. A big thumbs up from me http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

alexichabane
04-26-2005, 12:46 PM
Great progress on your creature model, the detail looks amazing. The mouth area is really nice, I've been trying to do a similar thing (without z-brush) for the creature in my image, but I can't get it took that good. The folds in the cloth look good to, my only complaint would be that the neck looks too loose and saggy. Maybe the skin could be a bit tighter, and you could hint at some muscles and bones beneath the surface (especially along the back of the neck). Great stuff though, with your over all design and modeling. Alexi.

Black Rose
04-26-2005, 01:05 PM
Great model I like IT :bounce: ;)

alexfalchi
04-26-2005, 02:17 PM
Hooo and here another update...

Well I must say nice character and nice details...looking strong this, I really like this creature..
very well done mate..nice jod:thumbsup:

Alex.

venum
04-26-2005, 05:06 PM
:twisted:Great, great, great expression on the beast. the model is great terrific, superb!
I'm in hurry to see the next step.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

AIR
04-26-2005, 05:07 PM
Neeno,,Hi man,,I had somany duobts and secondthoughts over final look of this creature,,
but in the end I leave it this way anyway.Can't all the animala look cool,,,there must be dumm and ugly "not so good mother nature designed creatures"Atleest on our human standards of good design.Thx for the constructive comment anyway man,,seeya
:thumbsup:
handlebar,,thx for comming arround my thread..

alexichabane,THX for souch nice compliments man,and constr..crit about improving the creatures look,,,The back of the neck wont bee seen,,so I desided not to touch it atall,,waist of time.If this was a challenge in creating realistic imaginary creature,,with all the anatomy to it,,Id probabaly wright your suggestions to piece of paper. :) :thumbsup:

Black Rose,,THX,keep your stuff coming. :thumbsup:

alexfalchi,thx for looking at my work,,it is just so great to have somebody to interact in a way,trough the process...THX,Get that lighting going,,show us horror. :) :)

Wandddo
04-26-2005, 05:19 PM
Great look on creature man! Really very good!:)
cheers

rattlesnake
04-26-2005, 06:10 PM
Wow mate your work in this creature is truly impressive...Amazing job...keep it rockin man!!

ChrisThatGuy
04-26-2005, 06:24 PM
Looking good. You may want to give the dinosaur a bigger tail, he looks a little front-heavy. Can't wait to see the final.

AIR
04-26-2005, 06:46 PM
THX for the support people,,Seen each one of your stuff and must say everyone has something that got my atention,,keep up U guys,, :thumbsup:

AIR
04-26-2005, 06:58 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114541921_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114541921_large.jpg)

This is another small update,,diferent angle and with saddle process going on,,need finish few things,,add somekind a bag,,,something like that anyway.
Teeth must be added,and the metal thing going trough animals tongue,and attached to letter straps,,do know the expression,,like with the horses,
But the trough tongue way is just my idea of controling bigger creature,,like with pain,,and souch,,just to illustrate the cruelty of the master.
Seeya soon :)and thx for watching it...

vegass
04-26-2005, 07:01 PM
Nice update AIR, I like that cloth on the head...

mecman
04-26-2005, 07:05 PM
Nice beast air!!! The details are becoming awesome! I really liked this beast!!
Keep it up mate!!:thumbsup:

AIR
04-26-2005, 07:13 PM
THX bozidar,,,you are truelly the gift of god :) :) :thumbsup:

Marcelo,,dude,,that snake of your's,,man,,nothing to say..I just like it so much.

pigwater
04-26-2005, 07:28 PM
AIR .. it's coming along geat .. i too like the cloth on the head of the critter .. nice little touch , as well as the saddle and stuff .. it's all really shaping out nice

good stuff :thumbsup:

venum
04-26-2005, 07:52 PM
AIR:twisted:.
great design:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
You should think about a thickness and a kind of seams onto the cloth and the saddle. I think it's gonna add more details. I'm agreeing you about adding bag, weaponary, a lot of weapons.
:D If you want to be cruel with the beast, It could be interesting to see that.:wise: I like a lot the idea.


:buttrock: Go on, go on

overcontrast
04-26-2005, 08:59 PM
hey AIR my freind that creature is looking really good!!.. impressive work on it... it got great design and u have portrayed his waight very well, he looks really big....m not surea abt the eye hole... too small mayb, its just me tho.... great work keep it up :thumbsup: I'LL BE BACK (for more updates ofcourse) :buttrock:

DaddyMack
04-26-2005, 09:13 PM
Stunning progress Damir...I see rigging hell...I hope you have the pose down for this beast and don't need to change it! Looking great on the accessories..keep it up:thumbsup:

AIR
04-26-2005, 09:30 PM
What a respons,,This is greater than I imagined,,Ok few more of thees outbursts of friendlines and supportivity and I'l start crying my hart's out,:cry: ,this is one warm cosy atmosphere and I wish all u beautifoul people same feel I have about this..
Il come to visit all a ya bastard'z in a minute..... :applause: :thumbsup:

Havent manage to finish the animal acessirising,too tyred,need some rest,,continuing tomorrow. :wavey:

alexfalchi
04-26-2005, 09:38 PM
nice update and nice datails....wow I really like this creature mate!! keep strong!!:thumbsup:

Mordalles
04-26-2005, 10:01 PM
sorry, double post!

Mordalles
04-26-2005, 10:03 PM
man, that is awesome modelling on the animal.

goktugg
04-26-2005, 10:35 PM
going so nice'mate!...good details*good character!:)

3dRaven
04-26-2005, 10:39 PM
Nice details on the straps with rings :). Not too keen about the creatures wrinkles, but a good spec map will make a world of difference.

Zoox
04-26-2005, 11:34 PM
You have some nice work :applause: I really like your creature and i like what you did with Zbrush. I tell ya after seeing all of the people that are useing Z and the results there geting I need to get my self that program. But any way nice work :buttrock:

Lemog
04-27-2005, 05:23 AM
Very sweet update... I'm waiting impatiently the textures... that's certainly boost your quality's modeling... :bowdown:

AIR
04-27-2005, 06:29 AM
alexfalchi,,thx man,,,the support and all,,,did u make your lights yet..? :)

Mordalles,,I visited your stuff,,nice to see it grows pal.

goktug,,the trolls,keep it up,,,When are you posting master,and the harness,,and the final,,,,bhehehehe :cry: ,,keep it up and thx for the support. :thumbsup:

3dRaven,,,Thx for visiting me pal,,Proud to have list of viewers in souch format... :) :) :thumbsup:

Zoox,,thx man,,wish you soon meeting with pixologic,,they provide great stuff

Lemog,,last but not the least,,lemog,,master of nature,,I just canot crit your stuff,
It would be funny if I'v made something up,,but I can't even do that..keep it.

:thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-27-2005, 06:44 AM
hi Dama! nice details u have there! :) the beast looks a bit old, has he been torturing it for aloooong time?:D cheers

AIR
04-27-2005, 06:48 AM
HI LINDA,,nice to seeya.You could say something like that,,I was to put notes of my idea on theese creatures and realtionship master and his animal.They die pretty young actually,
becose of the way master treats them.I just modeled teeth for the creature,,they are broken and crashed due to the giant piercing stuff thet goes trough theyr tongue,,masters harness and stuff,,duno exact phrase...Linda,,when are you updatindd,,Are there still the black and white sketch standing for the master and servant characters or you made progress..?? :)

nebezial
04-27-2005, 08:54 AM
lookin good, im just dropping by to say double ur effort, cuz if u dont finish in time im gonna come to ur homeand demonstrate my awesome fighting skills so feeeaaarrr meee and finish in time:twisted:

AIR
04-27-2005, 10:23 AM
DO you know it's not allowed to work on a project in teams..
Imagine us together..Dude,,the true world domination. :)

AIR
04-27-2005, 10:27 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114597666_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114597666_large.jpg)

HI,,just as it is in the title,,this should be tha last post of animal wip.
Taken too looong.
Next post,FINISHED ANIMAL.
thx for watching it:)

venum
04-27-2005, 12:22 PM
Air
:thumbsup: great props, great expression, great design, great modeling!:)

atra
04-27-2005, 12:55 PM
Hm...good progress. This just looks great! :)

You go into the detail and that's really good. That's what we need here. More details and good imagination.

I'm curious to see the textures. I'm sure that it will be just perfect :bounce:

Svaka cast! ;)

pigwater
04-27-2005, 01:01 PM
all your efforts paid off .. nice critter .. the details push it up there over the top

yah the clock is ticking to fast now :wip:

alexfalchi
04-27-2005, 02:58 PM
Well you know..I really like this beast:)...nice work I'm wait for more:thumbsup:

Neeno
04-27-2005, 03:00 PM
awaiting texturing... god job on the model... see ya soon A i R!

AIR
04-27-2005, 03:51 PM
THX for great commenting my felowship of the thread :)
venum
atra
pigwater
alexfalchi
Neeno
If I dont leave 5 days for light,render,and postproduction,,im history.
So that calculation leaves me just 5 days to model all the servants up to 10 of them(since Im modeling them from one ref body i did earlier in the progress its doable).
In theese 5 days have to finish environment,,i'l make it simple,,with mate painting,,photo something,dunno yet exactly in the background.
That leaves me 10 days to texture all mess...goad,,have mercy on my troubled soul.
Whell,I asked for it,,i got it.
Seeya soon. :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

mmoir
04-27-2005, 06:23 PM
Hey Damir ,
The dinosaur keeps getting better.nice saddle and harness.:thumbsup: You sound like you are going to be busy , good luck.

AIR
04-27-2005, 10:53 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114642429_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/9/5918/5918_1114642429_large.jpg)

I think I did it.There is just minor things to be aded,,few rivets and leather strap that leads from masters hand to the animals mouth rings.
I havent render it cos i dont know how she will stand in the end,,Probably going to hang one of the servants on one end of it,,Like he's trying take over the animal...And master loosing all threads.
I wont rig the beast,,I'l probabaly going for morphing target tehnique.
Cos I have no time for fighting envelope,,skin,,adjust,,angle deformer,,,brrr

alexfalchi
04-27-2005, 10:58 PM
Well mate render is so good..i'm wait for more!!:thumbsup:

Maxko
04-27-2005, 10:58 PM
WOW awesome details. How many polygons have this screenshot? :) Really nice work.

AIR
04-27-2005, 11:07 PM
Maxko,,,havent count it yet,,im afraid,I guess poly count exceeds my pc's capabilitys in any aspect.It is god thing we dont need animate thees things,,phiuuuf :)

alexfalchi,,THX alex,,thx alot mate.I'l giv you more pal. :) :)

venum
04-27-2005, 11:41 PM
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:Great modeling, great composition onto the beast.
I like a lot the decoration, the bump on the saddle and the cloth. The thickness of the cloth and the mask is perfect. These object look like to have a real weight.
Great level of details!
It's better and better AIR.

Maxko
04-28-2005, 12:54 AM
Maxko,,,havent count it yet,,im afraid,I guess poly count exceeds my pc's capabilitys in any aspect.It is god thing we dont need animate thees things,,phiuuuf :)

hehehehe :)
I have been working on some complex project. It is a temple and this model had 11 mil. poly after I had finished it. Here is the link http://maxko.frco.sk/11_part01.jpg of the half of it because it wasn't possible to render whole one :). Here is the link where you can find renders of particular pieces of it :).

Good work man :).

Wandddo
04-28-2005, 02:52 AM
Hi AIR! Great work and welldone... I liked the details a lot... This creature reminds me the Star Wars style, really looks great:thumbsup: keep on going strong in your work my friend
See you man ;)

BlackDidThis
04-28-2005, 06:39 AM
Woow was that a strange experience?!!
I get complimented in a thread I came over to compliment! :) Thank you, but honestly you are over exagerating AIR.

I really loved the way the dinosour steed has turned out. The harness and the sadelry are some amount of work! And work very well executed.
I understand your reasonings on not going into finer detail in Zbrush from the high poly counts... Well what you CAN do for futur works is to work only on the head or the neck and so on... then to just save the displacemnets as a bump/Displacement map.
Infact I would really advise you to go through the extra effort to add some scaling noise to the creatures skin. the textured shades would completely hide anything that seems odd about his skin.

But all that said; you already have a way above average monster here (Even without the gear). My concern is only for you to be able to execute what might make it just a bit better :)

Your the man!.. it's going just great, as always!:thumbsup:


Black

ilusiondigital
04-28-2005, 07:36 AM
Another exotical animal for Star Wars universe, great model job, i like it. I want to see this textured, good luck

nebezial
04-28-2005, 08:13 AM
tick tack can u hear the clock:D

AIR
04-28-2005, 08:32 AM
nebezial,,,nebuloze,,,can't u see Im getting a grip here,,,oh,,on the second thought,,,it's sliping,,noo noooo :scream:


ilusiondigital,,this is compliment,,to have my crit in star wars saga
:) :)

BlackDidThis,,u sure I exaturated :) :thumbsup: I here ya,,every word u say,,,That are my fears and concerns,of not having enough time and expirience,,capability to make it bit better.

Wandddo,,thank ya :thumbsup:
Maxko,the temple looks really nice..I like the entrance with lady statues,,great stuff pal.


:thumbsup:

venum,,Thx man,,Why in the world havent u assigned to this challenge man.?

nebezial
04-28-2005, 08:36 AM
dont u worry ull make it... or as i said im gonna smash ur head on a rock:D

pigwater
04-28-2005, 08:40 AM
ya you'll make it ... :thumbsup: .. lookin to good to not

GlassSpider
04-28-2005, 08:42 AM
:) Nice 2 see some updates from you Air.Keep it up!


GlassSpider
Master and Servant 3d Entry
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=229871&highlight=Jay+Ronald+Camay

AIR
04-28-2005, 08:44 AM
THx guys!!!I gotta captain. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Off for some poly smashing,texture droping,character posing thing.

nebezial
04-28-2005, 08:50 AM
may the what was that they used to say be with u ?, ah well may it be anyways:thumbsup:

AIR
04-28-2005, 09:05 AM
This does not make any sence in my head,,if anyone decrypts message from above let me know please :)

SEEYA :bounce:

ChrisThatGuy
04-28-2005, 02:38 PM
...,if anyone decrypts message from above let me know please :)...

"Good luck."

DaddyMack
04-28-2005, 02:48 PM
This does not make any sence in my head,,if anyone decrypts message from above let me know please :)

SEEYA :bounce:

May the 'force' be with you... I took garbled as my major in college;)

AIR
04-28-2005, 03:14 PM
Thats it,,man,,I read it and couldn't conect it,,now it makes sence,,now i dont see nothing else but that,,THX DADDY :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
defenetly could use some force to finish this. :)

KennyM
04-28-2005, 03:16 PM
awesome modeling dude:drool: great movement in your concept setup too, very good composition!

the result will be a stunning piece from what I see here :thumbsup:

AIR
04-28-2005, 03:33 PM
Hey man,,i just gone to see what u up to,,You are texturing,,everybody is texturingg
AAAARRRRGGGHH,,,gotta start texturing.
seeya kenny M

Lemog
04-28-2005, 04:01 PM
I think your work really fabulous for me... I never create that sort of animal, I find that very interesting... great modeling and design... I don't know exactly what to said more... just continue :thumbsup: