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Muttonhead
03-22-2005, 01:37 PM
Sean Andrew Murray has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5907)

Latest Update: Final Image: Queen Mari - Final
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116120798_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116120798_large.jpg)

OK. Made a few tweaks, but I will have to call it done now, cause I gotta pack for E3. I still think there are things I could do to improve it, but it was a fun ride! I will try to make some comments on other people\\\'s pieces when i get the chance... so much great work out there! Good Luck to everyone!

MDN67
03-22-2005, 01:40 PM
welcome and good luck:thumbsup:

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112407753_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112407753_large.jpg)

1st of many of my initial sketches for this project.....

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:11 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112407903_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112407903_large.jpg)

Here's another sketch, more to come...

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408044_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408044_large.jpg)

more of the same

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408276_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408276_large.jpg)

This one is compelling, but I am not sure that the idea is fully realized...

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408382_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408382_large.jpg)

another thumbnail. This one follows a certain theme that have carried into some other sketches after this one.....

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:21 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408475_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408475_large.jpg)

Here's another. Only 4 more after this!

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:24 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408663_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408663_large.jpg)

Ok so this is one of 4 sketches that I think have the most promise, but I wanted to get feedback first before I decide which one to go with....

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:26 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408791_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408791_large.jpg)

2 of 3 promising sketches..... A friend suggested putting another robed servant in the foreground handing her a plate of food to distract her.

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:29 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408968_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112408968_large.jpg)

Here's the 3rd. Same friend suggested that the tower be organic in nature as opposed to a metallic structure. I am going to do another version of this sketch. The master is the tower, sending a signal to the pods to open and release the servants within....

Muttonhead
04-02-2005, 01:32 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112409132_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1112409132_large.jpg)

Similar to the Fat Queen one. Last of my initial sketches..... Thoughts? Suggestions? Angry rants?

Maginnis
04-04-2005, 02:41 PM
I like where you are heading with the death of the fat character. The one with all the slaves in the background on the prowl is nice. you can really sell that relationship well with a good treatment of color and atmosphere.

ElFuego
04-04-2005, 03:03 PM
wow! these are cool and scary...me likes! :)

compositions look good and characters even more so.

coryloftis
04-05-2005, 12:47 AM
First off, I just love your sketches. They are so loose and expressive, but I also get a clear indication of your meaning. It would be great if you could keep that sketch quality all the way through to your final piece. Not so over-rendered like many other peoples works. As far as suggestions I think your fat queen has a lot of promise.

I liked your friends suggestion of the foreground servant with the plate of food.

My second option would be the hovering ship with the large crab-like creature in the background. It doesn't tell as much of a story as some of your other pieces, but I like making up my own story with this one.

Keep up the awesome work.

JakubFromOz
04-05-2005, 12:57 AM
reminds me of brutus and his mates killin ceaser nice idea

Maginnis
04-08-2005, 07:58 AM
hey friend. I love your sketches your stuff is always a good time for the eyes. so many strange shapes and easy transitions from sinuous characters to terraces of flab. An idea struck me while surfing through each sketch. I like the idea of the already dead "master" you've got in a couple of those. So how about that character with the acupuncture aftermath of it's murder, surrounded by a gaggle of it's servants. but the servants are not evil and celebratory. no sir! they're actually quite sad and panic stricken because in their own there is the child of the master who had posed as one of the servants, coaxing and tricking the others into the murder of it's own mother/father/birth sac. upon the murder of their current master they realize what they have done, regretting it instantly for they never truly hated the master and now will serve under the murderous child. ooh ooh, and to make it even whackier, deep in the background of the image is the very subtle sillhouettes of the private guards of the family, ready to kill the traitors at the royal child's command. as a sort of safety catch that nobody will know the child was the cause of the murder. hmmm can i draw it?:) look forward to seeing your progress even if you totally ignore all this ranting!

duddlebug
04-08-2005, 08:56 AM
OMG... what a fanastic bunch of sketches!!!?

These are great and i've seen your stuff coloured up ovetr on concept art, so i know it's gonna be good...

Slav
04-08-2005, 05:18 PM
even though all the sketches are really nice the best i would have to say is the 1st one. just gives off the right kind of conposition for this theme.

Muttonhead
04-15-2005, 12:04 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113566661_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113566661_large.jpg)

OK Ok, got a bit behind with personal work and job stuff, but I am ready to roll here. First thing is I am going to take 2 of the thumnails and revise them a bit before I decide which one to go with. Pod-Man first, then I will do this with the Fat Queen and her servants surrounding her about to stab her.

Muttonhead
04-15-2005, 12:07 PM
Oops, somehow the sketch got submitted twice. ANyways, the other refined thumnail is coming soon.

MDN67
04-15-2005, 12:48 PM
I like the concept, it reminds me has the incal, a french comic of moebuis and jodorowsky, or a deesse gives birth has people every fellow men, so create a civilization. As in your drawing the deesse has no human shape. I wait for the developement of your sketch, good work

Kraull
04-15-2005, 02:21 PM
Great sketches and great idea. There is a lot of possibilies of lighting with the organic structures you've created. Can't wait to see the ambiance you'll create for this piece. It will be so much fun to work on! :)

fooxoo
04-15-2005, 04:35 PM
Nice sketches - good ideas - choose one - paint it :D:D Good luck!

walrus
04-15-2005, 04:59 PM
Those are some great skethces! Some of them - especailly the last, reminds me of Wayne Barlowe's work (a compliment, not an accusation!) This last image is really neat. I hope you develop it more. The Master and Servant theme is sort of subtle, but it's such a different vision, it would be cool to see it fleshed out more. Good luck!

-mike

Muttonhead
04-20-2005, 07:11 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113981101_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113981101_large.jpg)

OK. So I actually think I am going to go with this one. I revised the sketch a bit and I am ready to start the piece.

Thanks for all the encouragement.....

Muttonhead
04-20-2005, 07:23 AM
I have more progress to show on this piece, but for some reason I am having trouble submitting entries... anybody else getting this?

-Sean

Muttonhead
04-20-2005, 07:26 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113981965_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1113981965_large.jpg)

Here we go! Starting with the tone layer first. I generally like to have the entire piece worked out in Black and White before I start on the color.

Muttonhead
04-22-2005, 01:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114177412_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114177412_large.jpg)

So here is a little bit of progress, not much though. Basically drawing the whole image in black and white first, and adding some texture with texture brushes....

More on the story behind the image in my next post.

rickycox
04-22-2005, 03:37 PM
wow that's a riot, the face is a bit rough, but the tits look nice.

TheMagnetic
04-22-2005, 05:57 PM
Whats up man! thanks for looking at my work. You have some great lines man! I love the concept of the fiend with the lobster claw. Just the fact that you made the master so small ads quite a bit of depth to it. I like the piece that your working with now and certainly the colors are gonna be good gauging by your current rendering, but I wish you'd have chosen the lobster hand!! any way, no crits from me man, your work is looking smooth... well actually (but this would just make her look more fiendish) I would put the cigarette in her right hand and have the left hand diving for the fish, or squeezing the fish as she prepares to pick it up. This would intensify the fact that she is a glutton and greedy, thus pushing the depth of your story onto your viewers

Muttonhead
04-25-2005, 03:31 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114399876_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114399876_large.jpg)

OK, So I have actually decided to go back and flesh out the concept some more and the story. I may even restart the final image. But here is my concept for the Servants, and a concept of the Queen will follow....

Thousands of years ago, Queen Mari was placed into exile as punishment for her many sinful misdeeds. Because of the laws of the land, she was allowed to keep her servants, and a palace was to be built for her in a remote location, on a barren island in the middle of an enormous, misty lake. While in exile, Mari brought to her palace a coven of witches whom she paid to give her the secrets of Ever-life: a practice long-since outlawed, and for the most part, forgotten, throughout the lands.

With this knowledge, she was able to concoct a liquid that could be used to keep her body alive indefinitely, and because of the laws of the land, as long as she lived, the title of Queen would forever be hers, no matter how many Kings came and went.

When her servants discovered what she was doing, many of them fled. So she sent her coven of witches out into the surrounding fishing villages, and had them lure as many men to her palace as they could. The witches brought back 5 men, whom she turned into her un-willing servants. They were outfitted with special machinery which kept them attached by an umbilicus to the palace, and through this umbilicus, they were force-fed the ever-life liquid, mixed with a potion that would keep them generally sedate, and obedient. These men served the Queen in every way that she demanded, even in the most horrific of ways.

She then asked the witches to make for her 3 great sea monsters to take up residence in the Lake around her palace. Under Mari’s control, these Sea Monsters would act as her guardians, against any who would wish to do her harm, and would also keep anyone from leaving whom she did not wish to leave.

When the witches refused to drink the Ever-life, Queen Mari had them thrown into the water, where they were eaten by the serpents, one witch for each serpent. The serpents then gained the witches powers, and became 3 of the most deadly, evil creatures in the known lands.

Over the years, many tried to penetrate the Queen’s defenses, but the serpents were too powerful. As decades rolled by, the bodies of the Queen and the servants became twisted and rotten, for although Ever-life sustained life, it did not sustain beauty, or purity. Mari’s palace became a temple for all that is unholy and insane. The servants minds had retreated to dark places, locked away and inaccessible. That is, until a man arrived at the palace, thousands of years later.

Somehow, through divine providence, or by discovering an ancient secret, long hidden in a dusty tome underneath a forgotten mountain, a single, simple fisherman, whose daughter was to marry the King, was able to find his way to the palace. Once there he was immediately imprisoned by the Queen’s servants. But upon seeing this simple fisherman, a man that lived a life much like the lives they once lived, a door in the dark corners of the ever-living servants minds, opened, and dusty memories poured forth.

Armed with these memories, the Ever-living servants made the first decision they had ever made on their own in several thousand years: they decided to kill Queen Mari. Armed with ceremonial daggers made by the long-dead witches, the Servants stabbed the Queen to death while she was eating, all the while knowing that by killing her, they in essence wrote their own death sentences. But death was what these once-men now wanted more than anything. After killing her, the servants released the man, who returned to his village in a small fishing boat, where he would tell his daughter that she could now become Queen.

walrus
04-25-2005, 05:12 AM
Nice concept. The rendering and colors in this last one are particularly nice. Still wish you'd gone with the "pod-man" one, but i admit that this one is much more immediately recognizeable as a Master and Servant image. Can't wait to see how you put it all together.... Good luck!

-mike

Muttonhead
04-28-2005, 05:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665169_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665169_large.jpg)

OK. After doing the concept of the servant, i decided to re-do the drawing for this piece and make it more dynamic, give it more energy. Here is the new pencil sketch based on the original idea......

Muttonhead
04-28-2005, 05:14 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665292_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665292_large.jpg)

Here I have added some values to the drawing. I will use this as a basis for the value structure of the final piece, and as a guide for my refined drawing....

Muttonhead
04-28-2005, 05:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665454_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114665454_large.jpg)

OK, now I have dropped back the sketch and I am doing a more refined drawing over it, but still trying to stay fairly loose, to keep the energy.

kornel
04-28-2005, 06:13 AM
Wow! This is wery powerful! Disgusting and great at the same time! I love your stile a lot... :applause:

keep posting!

best regards: Kornél

BaronImpossible
04-29-2005, 11:50 AM
Great sketches, nice ideas. I like where the last one's headed, although I'm not sure about the tall characters on the left, composition-wise.

Muttonhead
04-30-2005, 05:38 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114882720_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1114882720_large.jpg)

Slowly but surely. Working out the black and white stuff first, whenever I can grab amoment. Stuff at work is slowing down a bit so I will probably have more time to concentrate on getting this done....

Arc80
04-30-2005, 06:18 PM
Hehehe, that's a funny piece dude. Very nice sketches you got there. I like the design of the characters. Great job on that :thumbsup: will be checking back for more.

cheers

Muttonhead
05-03-2005, 04:07 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115136443_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115136443_large.jpg)

MORE WORK! Refining the black and white tone work before I start in with the color. Color will come very soon!

YAY!

Muttonhead
05-03-2005, 04:09 PM
Actually, I think there will be one more black and white update before I add color..... Any crits or concerns before I go to color stage?

Muttonhead
05-04-2005, 05:37 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115185019_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115185019_large.jpg)

OK, here's the final tone work done. Now I move on to the color. i will start by laying in some basic colors underneath the tone layer..... getting excited about seeing this one to its completion......

Muttonhead
05-04-2005, 05:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115185204_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115185204_large.jpg)

As promised, here is where I begin to lay in some basic colors behind the tone layer.

Muttonhead
05-06-2005, 07:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115363365_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115363365_large.jpg)

Now after I have the base colors down I go to a layer on top of all the other layers and start pulling out the highlights and details!

Arc80
05-06-2005, 08:29 AM
Love what you did on the background dude. It almost feel like abstract cubism and the colours choice is great. It goes with the mood of your piece. Somehow, it reminds me of one of those art book concept for starwars. Looking DAMN tight dude :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers

walrus
05-06-2005, 02:34 PM
It's looking great, muttonhead! Thanks for posting so much about your process, I'm really enjoying seeing how you work. The colors are looking great: I especially love the reds around the master - well, mistress's - mouth. At the moment her two hands don't match in color: The screen left one is more orange and fleshy while the screen-right one is green. A more orange or pink hand will help that one stand out against the fish, but of course they both need to blend into the body color too.

It's probably too late to bring this up - sorry! - but it feels like the 4 servants in the background don't match the perspective of the architecture behind them. They're going 'up' while the columns behind them have more of a cant to the upper right.

Anyhow, looking good overall and I'm going to keep enjoying seeing your refinement process. Good luck!

-mike

Muttonhead
05-09-2005, 03:31 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115609505_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115609505_large.jpg)

Working on more details. i have flattened it now.

Worried that it might get away from me soon. Hoping i can pull it together in the next day or two.

Muttonhead
05-10-2005, 01:02 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115730139_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115730139_large.jpg)

Dropped the saturation down and added more detail work.

Muttonhead
05-12-2005, 06:07 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115878036_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1115878036_large.jpg)

Almost gave up on this piece and started over, BUT I decided instead to change the background.... feeling a little better about it...

Muttonhead
05-12-2005, 06:11 AM
Thanks for all the comments fellas!

Walrus - You were right about the perspective. That was one of the things that was really bothering me..... better now, yes?

-Sean

Arc80
05-12-2005, 06:29 AM
WOw, this is looking good. I thought you weren't going for the correct perspective so i didn't comment on it before, but this one definately works with the correct perspective. Just move the background structure a little bit in the center of the page, Just a tad bit or stretch it out a bit to get the same feeling as your characters from the back. Everything else looks great dude. love the characters and the story.

cheers

Rudeone
05-12-2005, 08:17 AM
Ah wow, can't believe I missed this one till now. Very cool and interesting characters. The new background is looking way better than the previous.
I don't have any crit really, just keep going, this will be great:thumbsup:

walrus
05-12-2005, 04:20 PM
better now, yes?

Most definately! Not only is the perspective working better, but I think the theme of the background architecture matches the characters a lot more than the former one, too. (But sorry to make you have to start over on it!) But hey, i's looking great... just put in the time to finish it this weekend. Not much time left, but don't give up now! Can't wait to see it all done... Good luck!

-mike

Muttonhead
05-15-2005, 12:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116117922_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116117922_large.jpg)

I think she's doen... any last requests?

Belhaven
05-15-2005, 01:00 AM
hello there! man, you really developed a story, didnt you... such detail. damn that belly button is so gross. i hope the servant shoves the knife in that very spot.

from all of your sketches, i love "die fatso" the best. it has an enormous amount of potential for emotion and storytelling, and this is pretty much the same thing so its damn cool.

call it a bais, but if i were to change one thing on this piece, i would make the lighting a bit more consistent. your lighting is good enough already, but there is an equal amount of saturation and value spread throughout so the eye (at least my eye) wants to go everywhere. so, making a source of the main light would help a bit, in my opinion. thats all i have to say really. other than that, i want to be the first to stab her. that means your piece is a raging success. have fun in the west coast man!

Muttonhead
05-15-2005, 01:33 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116120798_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5907/5907_1116120798_large.jpg)

OK. Made a few tweaks, but I will have to call it done now, cause I gotta pack for E3. I still think there are things I could do to improve it, but it was a fun ride! I will try to make some comments on other people\\\'s pieces when i get the chance... so much great work out there! Good Luck to everyone!

LexLe
06-02-2005, 10:25 AM
Very good, even would tell excellent work
Very illustratively-graphically!
Well atmosphere and color!
Very much it is pleasant to me
:thumbsup:

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