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Cerebr4l
03-22-2005, 12:37 PM
David M. LaRocca has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5888)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Color continued
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Here's more color. The trees in the background are just placeholders, dunno if I'm going to keep them or not. Right now everything is still a little darker than I wanted so I still need to brighten it up a little. I took the light out for now so I can detail the background and then I'll add it back later. I hope you all like.

MDN67
03-22-2005, 12:37 PM
welcome and good luck:thumbsup:

Cerebr4l
03-22-2005, 02:45 PM
Thank you, thank you. I hope to have something up soon.

Cerebr4l
03-24-2005, 01:05 PM
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This is a quick concept of the dragon that will be in my piece. The perspective is a little off so I plan on drawing a new one later.

Cerebr4l
03-25-2005, 03:02 AM
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Here is a quick concept sketch of the scene I will be painting. More to come soon!

Cerebr4l
03-28-2005, 03:42 PM
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This is a concept sketch of the female paladin. She has been knocked to the ground and as she rolls back she finds that she is about to meet her end by the dragon that attacking from behind. Only a miracle can save her at this point.

I will be getting more and more detailed as the days progress, right now I'm still playing with different poses and the layout of the piece. I hope you guys like.

Cerebr4l
03-29-2005, 08:38 PM
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This man has seen many years of battle and death to protect the sacred cross and all those days have lead him to this path...this end. In his last moments he calls out to his lord for forgiveness...

CoreyArtE
03-30-2005, 06:30 PM
I like your idea...You should have clouds forming around him and in the middle of those clouds looking straight down on him is a face formed out of clouds which represents GOD...Will be pretty cool to see. Keep going I like your concepts.

Cerebr4l
03-30-2005, 06:50 PM
Thanks for the reply! Yeah, your idea is very similar to the one I was planning on doing. I had planned on having a break in the clouds and a beam of sunlight surrounding him and the Cleric(changed her from a paladin). I was trying to figure out a way to portray God other than just the light...a face in the light or clouds might be the way to go. I'll play around with it later today to see what I come up with. Thanks again for the reply, all ideas and crits are welcome!

Cerebr4l
04-01-2005, 01:01 PM
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Another concept drawing. You'll notice that the dragon rider has been removed, I might end up putting him in later but I'm not really sure if he adds anything to the piece. My original intentions for this was to have the dragon rider be the Master and the Dragon the servant but the more I work on it the more it has become the Paladin and Cleric are the servants and God is the master. The problem I have run into now is how do I let the person that is looking at this know that God is the master without having to spell it out for them. I'm trying to be more subtle with the Master and Servant portrayal instead of having an obvious "here is the master and here is the servant" drawing.

I welcome any and all ideas and crits! Thanks for viewing my post.

NOOB!
04-01-2005, 08:12 PM
looks great,luvin ur vagina monster.

killploki
04-01-2005, 08:38 PM
looks good so far, i would leave the dragon rider out for sure. i think the positioning of the characters with the overpowering size of the dragon is enough to let the viewer see who is master and servant.

CoreyArtE
04-01-2005, 08:43 PM
The problem I have run into now is how do I let the person that is looking at this know that God is the master without having to spell it out for them. I'm trying to be more subtle with the Master and Servant portrayal instead of having an obvious "here is the master and here is the servant" drawing.



Yeah I agree, portraying the master can be abit challenging because looking at your latest update you would never know that GOD is the master unless it was typed in text on the picture with an arrow pointing up. But I must say I love where this is going...Try doing different views of this...Like maybe a bird's eye view of the scene , with a bunch of clouds at top surrounding god as he reaches down towards the action. And mayeb you should put that dragon rider in there again, and have him to be the master, controling the dragon, and the people are reaching out for god's help...I dont know just keep playing around with it! I like this alot, just keeps geting better and better!:thumbsup:

Cerebr4l
04-01-2005, 08:58 PM
NOOB! - Ummmm, thanks? heh

Killploki - Thanks for the comment! I'm going to try to leave out the rider if possible but I might have to revert back to the original plan of the Rider being the master and the Dragon being the servant. We shall see

CoreyArtE - Thanks again for the feedback, your comments have been a big help. Looks like you understand my problem perfectly lol...I wish it was as easy as putting a blinking arrow :). I'm going to try a few different angles this weekend and post the results. As a last resort I'll end up having two masters and three servants in the pic. On one side you'll have the rider and dragon and the other you'll have the two humans and God. Thanks again!

MoonVisionStudio
04-04-2005, 12:23 PM
Good concept and powerful visual, but I think you are right, God as the master is getting lost in the image. I think if you made the hero facing the Dragon and angled the light from God(as oposed to having it come straight down) it might carry your message better. It would have to be a really powerful light, almost having the hero disappear in it, since the Dragon right now is so large and powerful. Just a thought.

jcrawfor_us
04-04-2005, 12:53 PM
I can't wait to see more of your work on this concept. I really like the monster. Good luck and thanks for the encouragement. I still haven't worked out a scene yet, hopefully in the next day or so.

Cerebr4l
04-04-2005, 04:20 PM
Jose - Thanks for the comment! I played with some different angles over the weekend and I kept coming back to the orginal or something very similar to it. I like the overwhelming power of the dragon and the almost hopeless situation the Paladin and Cleric are in. When I move the angle or characters it just doesn't have the same feeling I'm looking for. I'm going to go back to my original idea of the Dragon Rider and Dragon on the "evil" side of the master and servant relationship and have a more subtle "good" side with the Paladin and Clereic's relationship with God (the light). I'm going to post some new stuff soon.

Jcrawfor - I'm glad you are liking it so far and thank you for the encouragment as well.

AirbORn
04-04-2005, 04:26 PM
Looks great! There is a nice sense of scale to your characters. I also like how the dragon is up close with its mouth wide open :) Can't wait to see some colour applied to this concept.

Cerebr4l
04-11-2005, 01:56 PM
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Sorry for the lack of updates...life gets in the way of art sometimes. As you can tell, the image hasn't changed a whole lot. After much debate I have finally settled on getting rid of the dragonrider and focusing on God(the light) as the master and the Paladin and Cleric as the servants. I think that the positioning of the light with open clouds is a strong portrayal of God and it is obvious enough for people know that these people serve him and his power is protecting them.

It was a tough call but I think it was the right one. Let me know what you guys think, all ideas and crits welcome.

Cerebr4l
04-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Looks great! There is a nice sense of scale to your characters. I also like how the dragon is up close with its mouth wide open :) Can't wait to see some colour applied to this concept.

Thanks, I am ready to start painting. It's time to move out of the world of black and white I've been living in for the past month and start throwing down some colors. I started working on the clouds in the background last night, so far so good. Thanks for the comment!

Arc80
04-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Hi,
That's a very interesting idea. You have some cool concept sketches too and that dragon really looks good upfront like that. it shows a good size and scale relationship comparison to the human characters. Keep it up and goodluck. I'll be checking for some updates.

cheers,
Archie

nebezial
04-11-2005, 03:00 PM
this has a lot of potential, cant wait to see how ull handle colours, see it later:thumbsup:

killploki
04-11-2005, 03:32 PM
its a very good solution you have with the light coming out of the clouds. and also a good choice to leave the dragon rider out. good work so far, makes me realize i have been slacking on my own project.

toobi
04-12-2005, 07:34 PM
i like your concept too. i think the light from GOD must be much more brighter than the one from the throat of the dragon. nothing's like him you know ;)

Cerebr4l
04-15-2005, 01:38 PM
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Here is a small update, I started coloring the background. Right now the light is a concentrated shaft, I'm thinking about softening it up a bit. Also, I'm thinking about brightening the background a little more, right now it is very dark. As usual, all c&c is most welcome!

Cerebr4l
04-15-2005, 02:05 PM
Thanks Arc80, nebezial, killploki and toobi for your replies, I'm glad you are liking it so far. Your comments are very encouraging and helpful.

liiga
04-15-2005, 09:56 PM
Nice concept, makes me think of RPGs. :) Be careful with the perspective on the dragon - my first impression was that he has a big whopping lower jaw and a really small upper jaw. I think it's the angle of the snout vs. the angle of the throat that creates the impression. Might be wrong, but I think the white area of the throat and tongue should be seen more head-on. Try putting some constructiong lines there and see what happens.

Hmm and this might come a bit late, but have you tried more extreme perspectives here? Like, viewing the scene more from below (where we'd see the sky better and the pic would have a sort of 'going up' feeling) or more from above (almost emulating the god's perspective)?

Hehe is this very evil that I keep wanting to tell the dragon: "okay, buddy, what are you waiting for??" :D

Cerebr4l
04-18-2005, 12:57 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5888/5888_1113829053_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5888/5888_1113829053_large.jpg)

Here's more color. The trees in the background are just placeholders, dunno if I'm going to keep them or not. Right now everything is still a little darker than I wanted so I still need to brighten it up a little. I took the light out for now so I can detail the background and then I'll add it back later. I hope you all like.

Cerebr4l
04-18-2005, 02:10 PM
Thank you liiga for your comments. The angle of the throat has kind of bothered me a bit and I think you may be right. I'm going to play around with it a little after I work on the background some more; we'll see what happens. I have drawn a few different angles but none of them had the feel of this angle, or they couldn't fit everything thing in the picture.

Hehe is this very evil that I keep wanting to tell the dragon: "okay, buddy, what are you waiting for??" :D Lol! Yeah, this is split second in time. The dragon has just released one blast but the two have been protected by the light; at this point he is about to unleash a major blast to try and penetrate their shield.

Thanks.

xric7
05-16-2005, 07:58 PM
nice update.:thumbsup:
keep going.

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