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duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:20 AM
jonny duddle has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5794)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: Compositional changes...?
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1115975143_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1115975143_large.jpg)

I've made a pretty drastic change to the composition... any feedback would be greatly appreciated...

I wasn't happy with the setting. I liked the feel of the earlier mood concept, where there was a darker aura to the trees and more of a feeling of 'place'. So i wanted to beef up the setting... so i've zoomed out a bit and made more of a feature of the forest.

It's got a bit rougher again and the colours are a bit boswonk... but i wanted to try it out quickly and post it. I think i prefer this one. I like shapes the trees make.

Whaddya reckon...?

AlyFell
03-22-2005, 07:21 AM
Woohoo! Good luck Jonny! :D

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:23 AM
Yippee!! Thanks ALy!!

And what a subject.... oooooooooooooooh... my ind's ticking like a big tick-tocking thing...

Squibbit
03-22-2005, 07:24 AM
yyea, have fun jonny , nice to see u back!

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:27 AM
Thanks squibbit... I'm gonna try as hard as i can to finish this one!! (There's two wacom's up for grabs!! And one of thems a fancypants Cintiq!!))

And it's my 'mind' that's ticking... not my 'ind'... i don't even know what an 'ind' is...

Squibbit
03-22-2005, 07:31 AM
i hope its not be ind or anything

Art2
03-22-2005, 07:36 AM
So, who's going to be the slave? The monkey or the girl...? :D Good Luck!

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:56 AM
No Monkeys!! Promise!! I'd never drawn a monkey before 'Machineflesh'!! Honest!!

Can't promise 'No Girls' though...

My head's a big whirling mess at the moment.... Hmmmmmmm????

Gonna do some doodling.

sketchfiend
03-22-2005, 08:46 AM
Hey there Johnny boy, good to see you back in the fray. Looking forward to your scribblin' and doodlin' Goodluck mate:thumbsup:

kalemna
03-22-2005, 09:06 AM
gOod Luck :thumbsup:

Kirt
03-22-2005, 09:27 AM
What no sketch yet? Go get 'em Jonny! :applause:

element5
03-22-2005, 09:28 AM
Hiya dude,

Have fun!! Luck to you...

Wiro
03-22-2005, 09:40 AM
Awesome! gonna keep an eye on this one

Wiro

MDN67
03-22-2005, 09:44 AM
Welcome and good luck, i like your monkey:thumbsup:

Adamos
03-22-2005, 09:48 AM
Inspire us Master!
And finish this one will ya?!

One of your (pesky baboon) servants... :)

paulwdavidson
03-22-2005, 10:15 AM
Back for more punishment.......ay?


Nice to see you here...................

Good luck

Paul

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 12:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111497404_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111497404_large.jpg)

Just starting to doodle ideas... thinking about characters and not even considering style or composition...

There's gonna be quite a few more of these over the next few days because i'm gonna post almost EVERYTHING i draw.

:)

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 12:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111498005_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111498005_large.jpg)

More ideas... a boy in the woods with the animals... and a flute. A bit 'Pied Piper' really. Maybe he should have bagpipes...?

NinjaA55N
03-22-2005, 12:28 PM
first sketch already.. great! Its nice to see u again in the challenge. I wish u all the best and hope u'll manage to finish this one.. well, im sure u will :) good luck!

Enayla
03-22-2005, 12:34 PM
Ooo... this will indeed be unbelievably nifty. I think I shall have to stalk your thread very closely :bounce:

paulwdavidson
03-22-2005, 12:34 PM
chuckle...............very good

dmonk
03-22-2005, 12:48 PM
Excellent sketch I love the big bear and the general idea of the Kid.


Subscribing to keep an eye on this thread.

conundrum
03-22-2005, 12:48 PM
great concept, a lot of character in their so its a great base to work from, im looking forward to seeing how it progresses, good luck

mack72
03-22-2005, 12:49 PM
Love the style of the animal sketch! Keep it up!
Bagpipes would be cool. Although it would be good to try some of the least favourite band instruments, like the tuba, or (my favourite) the triangle!

monsitj
03-22-2005, 01:59 PM
I like the "warm" feel style of your concept! great work!

Adamos
03-22-2005, 02:10 PM
Damn! Always so freakin stylish that BEAR is killing me.

AirbORn
03-22-2005, 03:18 PM
Welcome, nice to see you participating :) Can't wait to see some of your concepts.

DyslexicDan
03-22-2005, 03:34 PM
The boy and animals sketch is the strongest of the two and yes the bear is really cool.

Ilikesoup
03-22-2005, 03:37 PM
Now there's a good reason for a lad to practice his flute playing.
It's a pleasure to see your mind at work. Good luck!

JasonChan
03-22-2005, 03:48 PM
Good to see you in the challenge! Can't wait to see what you come up with :thumbsup:

ms@zx
03-22-2005, 04:07 PM
some fine ideas u got here duddle~~keep it coming!:)

flyingP
03-22-2005, 04:08 PM
I'm watching too :D

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 05:28 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111516098_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111516098_large.jpg)

Just scribblin... Mixing the little flute kid and his animals with the Frankenstein idea. SO he's a master... rather than the servant he usually is...

I'm probably not gonna go with any of these ideas. They're just first scribblings and all super quick!!

And thanks for all the comments...

These challenges are fun!!

coCoKNIght
03-22-2005, 05:36 PM
That sketch is so cool! Totally love it! It's gonna be a pleasure to follow this thread :)

beelow
03-22-2005, 05:54 PM
I like the ideas that you have good luck, man or woman? anyways good hustle.:)

NOOB!
03-22-2005, 05:56 PM
haha great toonz!

Squibbit
03-22-2005, 05:57 PM
dude, that's one fast start !! cool, we getting lots of stuff to view early on !!

Adamos
03-22-2005, 06:07 PM
okay now it's the HORSE


one of your characters is allways killing me in some way,... first the bear, now the horse, thanks hey, I really wanna die young! :rolleyes:

:thumbsup:

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 07:44 PM
Thanks again for the interest...

Squibbit: It might be fast... but it's veryveryvery quick and messy!!

And Adamos... i thought: "horse?? what horse??"... then i realised... you're talking about the Moose!! (i shoulda made the antlers more prominent!!)

I've thought of a new angle on this (brainstorming in the car with poshspice!!) and i'm thinking of trying a similar idea (kid in control) in India. There's elephants and tigers y'see...

Or maybe Africa (elephants and lions!!)

I'll hopefully get something rough posted tomorrow.

MattDixon
03-22-2005, 08:10 PM
Haha! Frankenflute rockz, dood! :buttrock:

That's a nice touch, and I think it'll give you some extra sympathy with the little guy than if he was an ordinary kid. Are the animals in a trance because of his pipe, or are they frolicking along to his groovy ditty behind him?

duddlebug
03-22-2005, 08:16 PM
Um... Er.... oooh??

I dunno, Matt...

His pipe i reckon...? Which might become bagpipes... or a tuba... or a triangle... or a plastic trumpet...

If he doesn't migrate to India... and turn into a kid with a stick... And elephants and tigers!

Oh

Decisions

Decisions

Decisions

*SiGh*

Codexus
03-22-2005, 08:31 PM
Really cute character! :applause:

paulwdavidson
03-22-2005, 09:45 PM
Keep it coming

PeterPuppet
03-22-2005, 09:46 PM
nice... nice... nice...

sketchfiend
03-22-2005, 11:10 PM
Love the idea mate, definately ooozzzes with your style. Awesome!:thumbsup:

Forgot to add, in terms of what instruments he uses you could turn the little guy into a one mad band with a huge drum out in front, harmonica in his mouth, etc. the whole shebang!

SideAche
03-23-2005, 12:15 AM
Glad to see you again Jonny, good luck!

KOryH
03-23-2005, 01:21 AM
hey did you ever get a chance to see some of the frankensein Jr. stuff they were working on at ILM? a few years back?

it has the same feel, which is good because it would have been great.
a lot of it was used in W.I.P.

Tommy Lee
03-23-2005, 05:02 AM
Hey there Jonny! Cool idea and good Luck!:thumbsup:

Cheerz

Tom

jamihn
03-23-2005, 06:20 AM
Kawaii! So cute! I really like the one where he has no neck. The thin-necked one playing the fute is really cute, but I think the version without one is much more interesting. You don't normally see cute kiddie drawings with no neck.

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 07:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111567436_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111567436_large.jpg)

Still thinking about the 'Frankenflute' ideA...

Not really happy with the design... and he's clutching the flute rather than playing it... and his body's not twisted enough so his arm has to be too long... and he needs to be more squashed... and cuter... with a more 'assembled' feel... but it's all WiP, eh?

I've got his whole story in my head. He's usually the servant for a grumpy old victorian gent (with lots of other little kid frankenstein monsters, perhaps?) but when he gets sent on his erramnds he strolls through the woods and plays music to make the animals bring him stuff... like apples... or kindling for the fire...or whatever else his errand is... Because they love his music.

Until...

He loses...

His flute...


*SiGh*


But then i might be doing something completely different by the end of the day!!

PeterPuppet
03-23-2005, 08:19 AM
Love the idea, love the story, but dont get away from the theme too much...
Your little character is just great. Id put a leather-mask on his left "face-part" (for viewer right) let the birds pick on that, or just stand on that and pick on the rest of his hair...
arrrgh... Im still crazed... (nevermind).

Love your work, love ya, keep it up!

coCoKNIght
03-23-2005, 10:05 AM
That's so totally cool a concept! And everyone's gotta love those birds :)
I don't see why you don't like the design but I'm looking forward to the improved sketch!

whiterat
03-23-2005, 10:22 AM
excellent concept, that boy really awake pity in my heart, keep it coming, the general idea is cool too.

Good Luck.

Miguel Pizzo

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 10:47 AM
Thanks to y'all!!

I just wanted to answer a few specifics...

Sketchfiend: Haha... but i'm gonna stick with a simple flute-type-whistle thingy... something he's found in the woods...

KOryH: Nope... never saw it, but wish i had (sounds interesting!)... i've looked around a bit over the last 24hours to check there's nothing too similar about and can't find anything so i might well run with this idea...

jamihn: I'm gonna keep playing with charcater design... thin and thick necked!!

The Peteboy: hmmm... I always get carried away with the story... it's a personality trait. I do it in everyday life too. I'll accidentally drop a crisp packet and before i know it i'm being deported to the moon in chains. The whole story is going to be riddled with the 'Master and Servant' theme though. Promise. Although it's only the one picture that counts, so i'll need to make sure i compose an image that summarises the story (for my satisfaction) but works on its own as a 'Master and Servant' image. Which'll be fun.

I'll try and post some more doodles later on... lots of 'proper' work to do for now...

Thanks again to everyone who's dropping by...

dmonk
03-23-2005, 11:11 AM
I love the idea of the little birdies perched on his head. I really like the last sketch.

Jezzarts
03-23-2005, 11:41 AM
Good to see you here! what a bizzare little character... is that a cricket jumper he's wearing?
good start! I'm interested to see where this is going... best of luck duddlebug - Jez

coldfront
03-23-2005, 11:53 AM
I think the idea is really nice, and the concepts looks great.

viag
03-23-2005, 11:54 AM
good to see you , duddle ! have fun with the challenge !

i love the birds :scream:

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 12:29 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111584571_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111584571_large.jpg)

still working on the little fella...

El-Rodente
03-23-2005, 12:33 PM
looking very nice :)

i prefer the one on the left of the latest sketch, it's a nice hybrid of cute and odd :)

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 12:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111584837_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111584837_large.jpg)

just doodlin... trying him out with a more 'traditional' forehead...

Squibbit
03-23-2005, 12:36 PM
i like the empty , glassy eyes of the birdies

El-Rodente
03-23-2005, 12:40 PM
yeah, as if their eyes are glazed, and they are being... commanded, perfect!

MattDixon
03-23-2005, 01:14 PM
Great stuff, Jonny. Yep, the left-hand character in the blue sketch is the most engaging of these three. Just the right mix.

...and I agree with Squibbit. The glazed eyes of the birds look great. Gives a slightly sinister edge. Whoo!

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Yeh... i'd have to agree with MAtt and El-Rodente... the one on the left of the penultimate sketch is probably along the right lines.

I'm still wondering about whether all the animals should have glazed eyes when they're doing his bidding... could look quite funny (and a little bit sinister!)

I'll post another doodle at some point today...

flyingP
03-23-2005, 02:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111567436_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111567436_large.jpg)


kinda liked this one a bit more to be honest Jonny, he has something that arouses my pity.
The last little guy just looks a bit too sure of himself


ahhh dammit they're ALL good :D

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 02:27 PM
nah... i agree with you Brian.

I'm not at all sure about the last one i posted. Too happy. He needs more melancholy. And he doesn't need the 'frankenstein' forehead look. There'll be loads more over the next few days. And probably right up until the deadline... Until i find one i like...

Colour should make a difference too... hoping to get something else on after work today...

And then i'm just gonna get on with the final image ideas. I can always make changes to how the little guy looks.

Or i may just start sometjhing completely new!!?

OKMER
03-23-2005, 02:36 PM
H great to see you back again around here!!!really liked your monkey/circus concept of the machine flesh.Great concept and indeed don't get too far away from it.I agree with Flying P too ,for the the last one being a little bit too sure about himself.Anyway,really great idea and looking forward for the rest!!!Good Luck and a lot of fun mate!!!

Tranchefeux
03-23-2005, 02:53 PM
Hi Duddlebug,
Glad to see your presence, Good Luck

ardenrey
03-23-2005, 03:17 PM
Great idea & scetches! Good luck! :thumbsup:

Nice to see you work again. :D

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 03:20 PM
Looking good! I love the idea you have going. But the image you have doesn't really lend itself to the theme so much as an escape from the theme... What if you have it so that the Master is behind him and he has just found him goofing off in the woods? The frankenkid could be oblivous at this point, or maybe he feels something is wrong and is looking over his shoulder. I don't know, you're better at these story telling images than I am :shrug:

Jezzarts
03-23-2005, 04:00 PM
Cool characters! I prefer the one on the right in the blue sketch.

He definately looks like he has an evil master.... but where?

Nice one, keep it goinG - Jez

DyslexicDan
03-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Not to keen on the Frank'n boy sketches though the rounded headed looks are more pleasing to the eye. The baldness is a bit kreepy but guess it all depends on the emotions your trying to draw out.

Don't think you need me to tell you that all of your art is really steller so I won't tell you. ;)

beelow
03-23-2005, 04:09 PM
This one is going to be interesting...lol.:)

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 04:25 PM
Hello again... just wanted to clear something up 'story-wise'.

I know i'm going all off in all different directions with a story and stuff, when all we need to do is one image. But it's a weakness. And i enjoy it!!

And for the sake of this image, you won't see the boy's master. Because in this image he will be the master. Because of the powers of the flute. The 'frankenstein' look will merely suggest that, although he's the master in this image, he has his own master somewhere. That he is usually the servant.

I looked up the relevant words on the net:

servant (sr v nt)n.
1. One who is privately employed to perform domestic services.
2. One who is publicly employed to perform services, as for a government.
3. One who expresses submission, recognizance, or debt to another: your obedient servant.


master (m s t r)
n.
1. One that has control over another or others.
2.
a. The owner or keeper of an animal: The dog ran toward its master.
b. The owner of a slave.
3. One who has control over or ownership of something: the master of a large tea plantation.
4. The captain of a merchant ship. Also called master mariner.
5. An employer.
6. The man who serves as the head of a household.
7. One who defeats another; a victor.
8. A male teacher, schoolmaster, or tutor.

In this image the boy will be the master beacuse he is: "One that has control over another or others." (i.e. the animals)

Even though it is he who is usually under the control of others.(i.e. His creator... a grumpy old gent, no doubt!)

So the frankenstein look is to suggest he is someone's servant (or at least that he has a maker... and a creator even). But in the image he will be the master. Because he found a magic flute. Simple.

ALL i have to do now is show that in one image.

Ho hum...



p.s. I've just started another drawing of the boy (i'll have to think of a name!!) which i'll post in the next half-hour....

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 04:27 PM
Oh... and i agree with a few of you... he doesn't need to look like a mini-Frankenstein... thanks for the input!!

He's back to a 'round-head' in my new sketch!!

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 04:36 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111599369_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111599369_large.jpg)

Boy finds a flute...?

And now HE is the master... muuahhahhahHAH!!


.

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 05:03 PM
lol funny idea!

duddlebug
03-23-2005, 05:19 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111601972_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111601972_large.jpg)

And here's a VERY QUICK colour study... just playin'...

Ilikesoup
03-23-2005, 06:11 PM
You're going to take his flute? That's cold, man. :sad:

I can't stop watching this thread, you're a maniac with your updates. I'm happy you're going with this face (for now). In his rough sketch, he was mostly bald but with a thick clump of hair on the side of his head. Reminded me of a child who's going through chemotherapy treatment, and it garnered my immediate sympathy. Not sure if that's what you're going for, but thought I'd mention it.

BTW, if you're going to take his flute then I hope he learns how to whistle or something. "It was then that little Frankie discovered that the music was inside him all along." Damn, the little kid's got to me already. :sad:

lotaH
03-23-2005, 06:21 PM
Great man!!! Congratulation!!! :thumbsup:

MattDixon
03-23-2005, 08:49 PM
Check out those 'brows! Poor little lad. Looks great!

AlyFell
03-23-2005, 08:52 PM
He looks a bit like Noel Gallagher...

MikaelPersson
03-23-2005, 09:23 PM
Nice stuff Jonny. So much to keep up with! Hope you won't be going at this pace for the next two months.

I can just picture one of those evil birds in the background with his controlbox.
(or did I give it all away now?)

bardakos
03-23-2005, 09:34 PM
very inspiring!!!

i love the colors man!

JasonChan
03-23-2005, 10:06 PM
I'm really liking these character updates! The last one deffinitely looks the best out of the ones so far.

NinjaA55N
03-23-2005, 11:24 PM
Hahaha.. u have a great imagination.. hahaha.. and that last colored sketch looks like so like our slovenian popidol singer. hahahaha.. cant wait for ur further development. The main idea is just awesome! Great start :)

Claireabella
03-24-2005, 06:37 AM
Hi Jonny. Great to see so many fellow Brits entering this challenge. Good luck! :thumbsup: Claireabella

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 07:29 AM
Ilikesoup: Hey!! Don't worry!! It all turns out okay in the end.... unless i go all cold-hearted. Seriously though, i'm kinda inspired by this idea so i'm going to rough it up into a kid's book. Just for fun!! Then i can chosse the best illustration for the 'Master and Servant' theme... ;)

Mikael: Hiya!! Good you've popped by for a look... not sure i an get quite so many uploads done as the last day or so. BUt these are all reeeeally rough. None of the sketches (and even the colour image) took more than twenty minutes or so. I'm gonna start thinking about the final composition so it'll definitely slow down. And then there';s all the animals to sort out. If anyone wants to suggest animals....?

Mr.Gerbil: Why thank you sir. Yup... he's my favourite too. STill some tweaks but he's getting there...

NinjaASSN: Slovenian pop idol!!? Hahaha!!

Claireabella: C'MoN the UK!!?

lotaH, MattDixon, Poshspice, bardakos: Thankyou fellas!!

NinjaA55N
03-24-2005, 08:26 AM
duddlebug: here is the link to an image... I couldnt believe it either, when I found this photo on a net of him... some home snapshot i guess, but look for ur self (hint - the right one)

--> PIC (http://www.klubtriglav.com/pics/kareem.jpg)

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 08:27 AM
Hahaha... one of them is a Pop Idol???

NinjaA55N
03-24-2005, 08:33 AM
yea... there were many competitions.. not exactly the pop idol, but very similar. Any way..
Nevermind, it was just a popup in my mind when I saw that expression on ur characters face :) Cant wait for more slovenian popstars in ur work.. hahahaha! good job once again! :thumbsup:

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 08:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111657248_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111657248_large.jpg)

I'm just consolidating some of the sketches and ideas thus far:



Boy is a servant.

For a grumpy old man.

Finds a flute.

Becomes the Master of the creatures of the forest... oooOooH...

They make his errands much easier.

Like collecting firewood.

He is Master and Servant!!

Until he loses his flute....




(It'll be some proper composition stuff next... promise)

OKMER
03-24-2005, 08:40 AM
Really nice story there!!!I like it a lot.And your very quick colorsketch is very qute too.It could be cool to see more animals sitting around him in circle with a little few from the high(ok,my english s**ks,I know:D )Later !!!

mack72
03-24-2005, 11:42 AM
Cool concept. I've liked this from the start, as well as the other stuff you've posted here and on conceptart.org. Nice, simple idea. Looking forward to seeing the next stages, and the creatures of the forest!

Next stages please!

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 12:41 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111671672_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1111671672_large.jpg)

Just slowly winding up to a decent composition... keepin' it simple for now.

He's out collecting firewood and comes across the flute. He plays a few notes and sudddenly birds appear with small pieces of firewood in their beaks...

paulwdavidson
03-24-2005, 12:45 PM
I like this a lot..........stick with it...........it has a contrasting balance between the innocent and macabre...........!


Fairy nightmares

Paul

coCoKNIght
03-24-2005, 12:51 PM
Wow, that's so cute and awesome! :applause:
It bothers me a little though that the master is not in the picture... Maybe some more indications are needed to stengthen the master and servant theme...

EDIT: Though actually the boy-birds relationship does already suffice...

AlyFell
03-24-2005, 12:52 PM
Oh Jonny... there you are... done! Looking... simply lovely!

flyingP
03-24-2005, 12:52 PM
I like this a lot

ditto :thumbsup:

MattDixon
03-24-2005, 12:58 PM
That's looks luverly. Happy and heart warming, yet somehow brooding and sinister, yet...

Just birds now is it? No bear or 'horse'?

whiterat
03-24-2005, 01:26 PM
The wayt it goes is just perfect....and it has such a bucolic atmosphere, it really works..


Miguel Pizzo
my contest thread
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=222467

ChrRambow
03-24-2005, 02:32 PM
The colorbalance provides a good mood of a deep forest. Great work :applause:

Rudeone
03-24-2005, 02:37 PM
Hiya, didn't check yours out yet, I somehow expected to see little monkeygirl in here ;) , could be a perfect master/servant piece though.

Looks cool, I like what you got going on here.
One thing: it looks like he's not playing the flute right now cause it isn't in his mouth, or is this the moment he suddenly stops because he notices all those birds landing on his head and flute?
More animals would be cool I gues.

Anyway, good luck and have fun!

JasonChan
03-24-2005, 02:40 PM
It's looking great! No crits at this point :thumbsup:

dmonk
03-24-2005, 02:42 PM
Excellent mood. I loved that bear in one of your earlier sketches, will you be adding him back into the composition?

walrus
03-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Nice work so far jonny! I love pretty much all of the concepts for the boy thus far, and the colors in the latest post are really beautiful. It's perhaps not quite as clear as it could be in this latest shot that he's the master and controlling/summoning the birds with this flute. Maybe they just happen to be joining him, or landing on him? His expression paints him as confused, which doesn't help give the feeling of his being in control.

I have to confess, I really liked the little doodle in the lower left of post #33, the pied piper one where a bunch of animals were following him. That had a really strong feeling of his being in control and what purpose the flute had (and also let you caricaturize a whole bunch of different animals, which was fun!) Anyhow, best of luck with it!

-mike

DyslexicDan
03-24-2005, 03:31 PM
I think I can speek for at a hand full of people that we really like that bear. Also Frank'n Boy is starting to gown on me. I kind of like the look on his face. Give you a sense that either he doesn't know what really happening or that wasn't made well enough for him express him self vary well. That could be why he is playing the flute. Oh man the idea of a little sad Frank'n boy who can't show his emotions make me a bit teary eyed :cry:

duddlebug
03-24-2005, 03:41 PM
Woohoo!! More comments!!

Paul: Thanks!! That's the kinda look i'm going for... a balance of innocence and macabre. Cool.

coCoKNIght: Thanks!! Glad you liked it!! ANd glad you 'got' the master and servant theme to the image. I'm building up to a fianl image... it'll include a more varied selection of woodland creatures. And hopefully, the fact that he's the 'master' will be more evident...

Poshspice: Thankyou Mr.Posh...

flyingP: :thumbsup:

MattDixon: Nope... it won't be just birds... it'll include a bear and a horse with antlers...

miguel: Thankyou very much!! 'Bucolic', huh? (now where's my dictionary...)

KoRn_ART: Cheers... i'm not sure about the light... but it's a 'quick' concept so i'm happy with it.

Rudeone: Thanks!! No monkeys this time!! But there's defintely a Master and Servant theme running through the Monkey Girl story... and the King of Space for that matter... And you're right... he's just tried the flute and the birds have appeared so he's stopped. A little confused... And when he starts playing again, there'll be more animals!!

Evil Gerbil: Thanks Jason!!

dmonk: Yup... the bear will be making a come back... with a bloody big bit of firewood, perhaps...?

walrus: There's a good chance my final piece will be more like that procession of animals... just working through my ideas in a more 'narrative' way... This image takes place before the rest of the animals appear.

DyslexicDan: The bear's coming back!! I like him too!!

Thanks gain for the interest evrybody. This is why i love taking part in these challeneges... it's such an incentive to have people urging me along!!

goktugg
03-24-2005, 08:58 PM
good luck ~duddlebug
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Adamos
03-24-2005, 08:58 PM
They're looking for a lighting artist at ILM , why don't you just chuck them your last color WIP, to make their decision easy...Lol

Beautiful volume lights Jonny...Bravo! :)

XIA
03-24-2005, 09:18 PM
Love the lighting and set up. Especially your take on subject matter. Way to go!

NOOB!
03-24-2005, 09:20 PM
damn u have set the mood!

looks lovely.

nenne
03-24-2005, 09:48 PM
Aww the concept is great :)

Climax
03-24-2005, 10:00 PM
Cool dude! I love it! :thumbsup:

Raenz
03-24-2005, 10:03 PM
Good stuff. I like the colors and how you have the lighting set up.

element5
03-24-2005, 10:53 PM
Very inspirational :) great idea

arLutiK
03-25-2005, 12:52 AM
I looove your concept and your style, can't wait to see the final one.

Great job

ozhaver
03-25-2005, 01:25 AM
That is so horribly...CUTE! LOL can't his skin seem a bit, just a lil bit more 'alive'?

bwong
03-25-2005, 02:46 AM
Nice picture.. i like the sketches u did before.. expecially that big bear. and the first one with the frankenstein on a chain. really nice drawing. Are you going to lighten up the pic a bit? You have it fairly dark right now, I guess thats what you wanted. I just wonder what it would like if it was a "happier" piece. Not that what you have now is bad.

CoreyArtE
03-25-2005, 08:15 AM
The colors are so nice. I'm impressed with this so far man, I'm curious to see your final result. Goodluck, you have a fan in me !

NinjaA55N
03-25-2005, 10:09 AM
With one word.. awesome! The story behind this piece makes it really strong and emotional. But I have a question.. Will there be everything in those green-yellow tones? Or will u use some contrast colors to pop out something or just to make more action atmosphere? Superb stuff duddlebug, cant wait for ur further updates.

OKMER
03-25-2005, 10:15 AM
Woww,you're heading to a so nice atmosphere!!!with a really strong emotional concept,kind a fairytale feeling about it.Great!

Wussie
03-25-2005, 10:22 AM
w0000 nice athmosphere you got going there! keep it up :) will be following this thread for updates :)

uwil
03-25-2005, 10:42 AM
pretty cool colors Jonny. just keep going...

duddlebug
03-25-2005, 02:15 PM
First off... i'm having a MAJoR DIY weeekedn in preparation for our first baby (due end of april!!?) so i'm not gonna get chance to post any work until at least Monday... and probably Tuesday... But i am thinkin' hard!!

Secondly... thanks for the replies!!

Goktug: Thanks!! With everything else that's going on in my life... i'm gonna need all the luck i can get!!

Adamos: Haha... I actually think i struggle with lighting. But i'm trying hard to get better and it's one of my main objectives with this piece... Is ILM commutable from Buxton...? :)

XIA: Thanks a lot Xia... You already know that i looove your piece!!

NOOB!: Cheers... that was kinda the point of this piece. I've got tons to add into the picture, but i'm just trying to get the mood, atmosphere and style sorted in my head.

nenne, Climax, Armored_Saint, element5, arlutik: Thanks a bunch guys!!

oz haver: i might add a few pink bits... rosy cheeks and nose, perhaps...?

bwong: The Big Bear is coming back... with a great big bit of firewood in his mouth! And it'll be nice and light and happy around the boy and his flute!

CoreyArtE: Thankyou very much!

NinjaASSN: Yup... there'll be other tones in the final piece, this is just me working through ideas and starting to set my palettes and mood.

OKMER: Cool... i want some 'fairytale' aspects to it... i want the image to tell a story. But a dark, gothic fairy story...

Wussie, uwil: Thanks!!

As i said... it'll be a few days for updates. I'm DiY'ing and then off to Wales overnight tomorrow to see my folks for Easter. Thanks for the interest so far!!

bonestudio
03-25-2005, 02:18 PM
It's nice to see the same great guys, participating each time :)

So cool you're on it again ! Your idea is so cool, love that dark/cute feel you bring to it

coldfront
03-25-2005, 08:17 PM
really like this one. Looks like he knows that when he gets back he'll be the servant but right now he's dangerous and in control. and the kind of forrest light is great. nice going! =)

Arc80
03-25-2005, 08:40 PM
Hi there,
Dude! love the style. I can't wait to see more progress :thumbsup:

GoodLuck,
Archie

Squibbit
03-25-2005, 08:46 PM
way cool compo , dude :thumbsup: , sun rays and all

dogdoy
03-25-2005, 11:14 PM
Beautiful concept. I like it.

newcenturydsn
03-26-2005, 03:44 AM
Heeeeyyyyy Jonny! Good to see you back, out to a great start already, I too hope you can finish up this one.

Cheers!

duddlebug
03-26-2005, 08:59 AM
Hey fellas... thanks for the support... i feel guilty i'm not getting anything drawn. I've been thinking hard about the story though (i know it's kinda irrelevant and all that's gonna get judged is one image... but i think i'm gonna work this up into a kid's book)

bonestudio: Cheers... dark/cute is the look i'm after...

coldfront: Thanks... not sure he feels particluarly dangerous, but he certainly feels in control.

Arc80: Progress will be a bit slow over the weekend with DiY and visiting the folks... but there'll be plenty more uploaded next week!!

Squibbit: Thanks squibbit... i was planning on getting a ton of different ideas down in a squibbit styleeee... but i liked this one. And ther's only one squibbit!! :)

dogdoy: Thankyou kindly.

newcenturydsn: I'm gonna have a good go at finishing this one early. Me and my girlfriend are having our first baby at the end of April/start of May... so i'm gonna try and get this done in April!!

Thanks again!!

Updates in a day or two... promise...

Ant4d
03-27-2005, 08:30 AM
very very lovely work. it has soul in it and great feel of fairytale and mystery.very inspirational.

eclipson
03-27-2005, 08:46 AM
very nice, love the mood and concepts, it's great, love to see whats next,


GoodLux!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

eupee
03-27-2005, 09:20 AM
Thats crazy, i love the style., i love the mood, its good stuff

W-I-L
03-27-2005, 09:59 AM
just came upon this... excellent idea and designs...atmosphere is loking great.

artjunkie
03-27-2005, 04:01 PM
Great to see you back working your magic again! Looking forward to seeing more! Cheers, and good luck mate!

BaronImpossible
03-27-2005, 04:17 PM
Love it so far, the simplicity really works. But is there a reason why he looks like Frankenstein's monster?

kyphur
03-28-2005, 08:52 PM
Definantly loving the style and glad to see that you're thinking out the concept of the character to get your feel. There's a lot you can do with the character you're handling and it seems like you nail it pretty good. Looking forward to seeing more.

CreativeKid84
03-29-2005, 04:00 AM
love the colors great job concept is really good

duddlebug
03-29-2005, 06:18 AM
Thanks again for the posts! I've realised that i haven't posted an update for 5 days and people have still been popping by. SO thanks... i'm definitely gonna be posting something today... It's been a long easter weekend here, and i've been off to Wales to visit the folks so i've had no time at all to draw for this. I have thought a lot about the image and the story behind it though... and i'm gonna work it up into a kid's book... just for fun!!?

Ant4d: Thankyou... i want the 'soul' to hoipefully come through in the final image...

eclipson, eupee, W!L: Thanks!!

artjunkie: Hiya! Thanks for the comment... hope you're doin' well... Are you joining in?

Baron Impossible: Thanks... it's gonna stay stylised and fairly 'simple' but there are gonna be more woodland animals around. The frankenstein thing is all part of my background story. Possibly irrelevant, but i want to suggest that although he's the master in this image... he's usually a servant (in that he's been 'created' by someone). If i find the time toi work it into a kid's book then i'll post some rough story layouts on the thread too...

kyphur: Cheers... getting a bit carried away with charcters and story has always been a weakness... :)

CreativeKid84: Thanks very much!

As i said... there'll be an update later in the day... promise!!

artjunkie
03-29-2005, 10:43 AM
thanks for your comments on my thread... very encouraging, and muchly appreciated.

I really like that latest update of yours and I'm waiting anxiously to see you develop this! Great concept and I really admire your style... quality s**t, bro. keep up the awesome work!

speaking of work, the old dayjob calls... gotta go!

Cheers

duddlebug
03-29-2005, 11:36 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112099789_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112099789_large.jpg)

An update!! Woohoo!!

This is still very very rough... added a few woodland creatures. I only spent about half an hour painting them in so excuse any shoddy painting!! It's just helping me to generate ideas and clarify the story...

And a few people seemed worried about the disappearance of the bear... :)

AlyFell
03-29-2005, 11:41 AM
Hehe! I love the glowy eyes on the critters... it makes 'em kind a spooky too! Would you pop downstairs and colour mine for me! ;)

duddlebug
03-29-2005, 11:43 AM
Posh... hahaha... I'd be quite happy to pop downstairs and colour in yours... if you want it done in a blobby, messy mish mash of colours on a monitor with dodgy gamma!! How about we swap and colour each others...?

BTW... my G5's arrived at home... now i can reeeeeally colour in...

Squibbit
03-29-2005, 11:54 AM
*YyYYAWn* update ?? bout time.... just kidding :p


i so like the feel of this..so peceful... the bear adds so much..
what's the story again?
frankie boy and hypnotized friends ?

monsitj
03-29-2005, 12:00 PM
awesome! I really like your style and color , great job , no crits:thumbsup:

paulwdavidson
03-29-2005, 12:09 PM
That's the boy, alright!


Nice

arLutiK
03-29-2005, 01:01 PM
Wow, this is looking great, love that bear

MattDixon
03-29-2005, 02:16 PM
Great update, Jonny. Those animals are giving me the willies..!

Squibbit
03-29-2005, 02:20 PM
what's that mean? Something to do with free Willy?

animals never gave me nuthin...well.. got bird droppings
on my shirt last summer on a festival,
but that probably doesn't count..

bonestudio
03-29-2005, 02:24 PM
hahaha so funny squibbit :) :thumbsup:

duddlebug
03-29-2005, 02:26 PM
Everything gives Matt the willies... or at least he'd like everything to give him the willies... teehee... ;)

kyphur
03-29-2005, 02:32 PM
I've never considered getting carried away with characters and stories a weakness as you put it. :) If anything it rocks the illustration a lot harder and I'm glad to see such thoughtfulness going into a great peice such as this.

Rock on,

PeterPuppet
03-29-2005, 03:21 PM
I love the piece. Its just... nice, very solid. I just imagined this guy take out the electric guitar and "rockthe woods" hehe

Keep it up man!

Ilikesoup
03-29-2005, 03:46 PM
Very cool looking, though I think Frankie would look better looking like :eek: over his shoulder. Happy to see Mr. Bear back again, but I think he's slackin'. He'd better come back with a bigger piece a' wood next time. Those shafts of light are a stroke of genius.

flyingP
03-29-2005, 03:58 PM
now there is a cool update :bounce:

just one thing though, just sort of feel that the bears ears are set rather high

duddlebug
03-29-2005, 04:07 PM
Thanks everyone!!

I'm just gonna naswer a couple of queries before i head home to play with my new G5 Mac!! got it at just the right time for this challenge... now i'll just have to tryt and get used tpo having one mouse button again... hmmmm..?

kyphur: I only mean it's a weakness when all we're getting judged on at the end is one image. But it's worthwhile to me... and even more worthwhile if people are getting into it... so Cheers!!

The Peteboy: hahah... i reckon an electric guitar might be a bit OTT in these 'ere woods...

Ilikesoup: Yup... good suggestion... i did think about diverting his gaze... but i ran out of time in my lunch hour!! And i agree... that bear is a slacker!!

flyingP: I think your right... might tweak 'em in the morning...just for you... Although this is only a rough and i'm planning on changing the composition significantly. Probably to a landscape format so i can work it into a kid's book page. And i'll do a proper design job on all the creatures too.

anilduran
03-29-2005, 04:24 PM
it's really good concept,
one of my favarits....:applause:

Zephyri
03-29-2005, 04:39 PM
Came across this and got hooked, such a wonderful progression of ideas and amalgamation of concepts. That last update was looking pretty good. It has a very sombre, melancholy feeling to it, it could almost be sinister, but I think the kookiness of the animal design tips it in the balance of cute and I'm definitely feeling the darker colour scheme. This would make such a great kids story, especially for the older kids if you stuck to a darker story line, I really hope you manage to pull it off. I'd kind of imagined the bear to be holding a bigger stick in his mouth for some reason, but I'm not sure whether that would interfere with his face too much, which is just darling. Great to see some work from the Brits of this caliber.

Russta
03-29-2005, 05:05 PM
cool idea man, looks like its gonna be a good one. i cant stop wondering how he got that cut on his forehead!:thumbsup:

walrus
03-29-2005, 05:05 PM
That's just beautiful! The addition of the other animals really cements it. I love the zoned, hypnotized eyes, especially whenthey're a bit mismatched, as on the bunny and the owl. I can't help but wonder how the bear would look with slightly more mismatched eyes too - a little less threatening, maybe, and hopefully as under the flute's spell as all of the other animals.

I agree with soup that Frank's face isn't doing much emotionally right now. I don't know what would work, and don't necessarily think it's chastising the slackers, but some reaction to discovering the power of the flute could be good.

Anyhow, good luck with it and have fun with the G5 (and if there were a smiley that was green with envy, I'd use it here.) Hey, did you have to get a new version of Photoshop (or whatever you're using) to use with the new OS? How is it?

-mike

Rudeone
03-29-2005, 05:51 PM
This is getting really cool! those animals just look wonderfull. The ears of the bear are kinda high like flyingp said, however I think they just fit the bear perfectly, they contribute to the cartoony feel of the image and I really like em this way, I wouldn't change em to much.

Keep us updated:thumbsup:

ChristianHammer
03-29-2005, 06:00 PM
Awesome, love it so far... The kid looks a bit lobotimized, almost like no-ones home but I love it with the brain exposed, in the dark woods, feels very surreal.

teknotek83
03-29-2005, 06:02 PM
I really like this one! The concept is kind of similar to mine, but more in reverse and yours is less...weird. :-p The boy's design is just fantastic! Bravo on that. I kind of wish you had him blowing into the flute like you did in an earlier image. But everything looks great so far. Good luck!

fooxoo
03-29-2005, 06:14 PM
LOL , I really love the latest update ... the bear - cool!

kornel
03-29-2005, 06:18 PM
Very amazing characters and lights! Tales from the dark-green forest...

Digitalpepper
03-29-2005, 06:19 PM
I really like you style :bowdown: keep the good work coming.

JasonChan
03-29-2005, 07:06 PM
I like it :) It's kind of reminding me of your Machineflesh. I bet this little guy and your monkey girl could become good friends :thumbsup:

Arc80
03-29-2005, 08:04 PM
sup dude,

Nice, i'm really liking that color scheme. I agree with Walrus on you adding the other animals. That really helps the piece a lot and it didn't ruin the composition that you had. I also agree that the face of the boy could have a little bit more expression. Maybe give a little hit of what he is thinking at that moment or what's in his head.
Anyway, good piece. One of my favorite so far. Keep it up dude
Archie

Nemein
03-29-2005, 11:51 PM
Wow, I like the concept alot. I feel it would look better though, if the frankieboy (my impromptu name for him) is dancing - like he was in one of you're earlier sketches. I preferred the mood in that one, as opposed to just him standing and playing the flute.

Also, perhaps the twig basket should be made more prominent, and with a few creatures dropping the woods IN it - took me a few moments to figure out that the animals were the ones bringing him the wood.

Looking forward to you're progress!

lanedaughtry
03-30-2005, 12:01 AM
The further this piece progresses the more I like it.

Theres a no bullshit tone to your characters and their deadpan expressions that I just love.

Wish I had something more constructive than that but thats about it at the moment.

-L

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 07:04 AM
Thanks for all the replies... i felt a bit lazy having not posted for five days, so it's good to know peeps are still looking in.

anil6tr: Thankyou... i hope it stays one of your favourites over the course of the challenge. Plenty to come yet!

Zepyhri: Thanks! I am going to make an effort to work this into a kid's book. And i'm hoping for a dark, gothic feel with a bit of cuteness. This illustration actually takes place before the illustatrion i'm going to go with for my final image... And the bear certainly needs a much bigger stick! He's too darned lazy!

Russta: Thanks! His head's like that because he's a little 'frankenkid'... he's one of a few similar looking kid's that a victorian gent has made to help him with his housework.

walrus: Thanks Michael! I think you're right about the eyes and i'll bear it in mind when i work up the final creature designs. They do work better when they're mismatched and a bit boswonk! I'm gonna do a couple of little tweaks today and post a new image... but this is just a quick rough. The final image will be a different format and will probably have a lot more movement... And the G5 seems great!! (I've been dying to get one for ages and ages and ended up ordering a refurb'd model with a 20% discount). Need to order a bit more RAM and sort my Wacom out and then i can reeeeeally get stuck in!! I actually forked out for an upgrade for Photoshop CS (i had PS5 on my previous MAc) and just had to run the install and put the old serial number in. I'm sat in the office all frustrated because it's at home and 30 miles away... booo!!

Rudeone: Thanks! I'll fiddle with those ears today... but hopefully they'll keep the cartoony feel!!

HammaJamma: Cheers!! You're picking up the vibes i want from the illustration so that just super!

teknotek83: Just popped by your thread and i see what you mean... your bunnies are defintely that bit more evil. Mine are just under the spell!! And Thanks!!

fooxoo, kornel, Digitalpepper: Thanks fellas!!

Evil Gerbil: Haha... Yup... i REckon Monkey Girl would find him in the woods and look after him and have him learn some circus tricks so he could perform with monkeys!

Arc80: Thanks! And good suggestions... This isn't even a WiP though... just a rough for me to set the mood and start thinking about characters. The final image will be lots different and landscape format (now i've decided to work it into a book)... but all suggestions are great because they'll help me when i rough out the finished illustration. Thanks again!

Nemein: Thankyou!! And again... great suggestions... I'm probably going to go with an image of him playing the flute and marching along with animals around him. Having animals actually dropping into the basket is a cool idea... thanks!

lane_daughtry: ThANKS! That's constructive enough... for now... ;)

PHeW!! Sorry for the long waffle... But thanks for all the replies! It's all your fault!!

mack72
03-30-2005, 07:21 AM
Hey duddlebug. This is really starting to take shape. I love the design of the little frankenflute boy. Its also really nice how the animals are starting to appear in the composition. Love the trance-like eyes on all of them, and the fact that they are all carrying sticks! Great stuff!

Cheers
Mack

hdri
03-30-2005, 08:29 AM
Your art, as beautiful and inspiring as always... Contestants like u make this challenge challenging! Let's see how do we end. I'm really excited to participate in the M'n'S, but I'm so plenty of work that it will be tough stuff for me.
I've checked your Don Quixote in Concept Art: really nice and original. I don't think my doodles 'drop any shadow' on your ART.

nebezial
03-30-2005, 09:38 AM
AAAND then i follwed your link alnd laughed my head off. congratulations, u have one of the most original ideas, and the style... i mean its Beetlejuice meets grimm brothers. Pure genious:thumbsup:

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 10:43 AM
mack72: Thanks... rememnber this is only a mood piece and will change drastically in composition for the final image.

hdri: Thankyou very much Hdri! And i'm glad you liked my 'Don Duddle'. Now that was a rush job!

I love Don Quixote, so i can't wait to see what you do for your challenge piece. Your sketches are just beautiful...

nebezial: haha... links are good! And thanks!

Jezzarts
03-30-2005, 10:46 AM
Now thats more like it! This little guy has the whole dam forrest on his side now! Time to get even :bounce:

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 11:33 AM
'Even'...? 'Even' with who?

He's got no malice in his little heart... he just wants some friends...

MVDB
03-30-2005, 11:38 AM
You got a great style!
Keep it up!

duddlebug
03-30-2005, 11:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112186341_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112186341_large.jpg)

Especially for FlyingP, Rudeone and Walrus...

I made some little tweaks to the image... Lowered the Bear's ear, made his stick bigger, changed the gaze of frankenkid and added a few more little animals. To keep the boys happy!! :p

This is the last time i'll post this image. I've dragged it out long enough... :)

I'm gonna start sketching compositions for the final image tonight. And maybe a few of the other pages of the kid's book. Although it'll be a woodland image for the final piece. Probably marching (or skipping?) through the woods playing his flute...

AlyFell
03-30-2005, 11:47 AM
Did he give each critter specific instuctions to find twigs with 'v' s at the end... he he! Don't tell him he's got a 'bear' behind... :p

Looking gorgeous Jonny! Looking forward to the development of the final piccy!

paulwdavidson
03-30-2005, 12:08 PM
It would be nice to see him in a red cape or something (skipping in the contrasting green surroundings)


Little Red Ridinstein!

Looking excellent, mate...........love it

Paul

W-I-L
03-30-2005, 12:28 PM
cant wait mate

Gamoron
03-30-2005, 02:48 PM
You need you're own press agent to manage this thread. I'm amazed at the detail you went into with the concept image. I'm glad you are going to bring more action into the posing of the Fankenkid. I love the grumpy look of the bear he has great feeling of weight. I'd almost give the kid mismatched shoes, but that might be going overboard. Afterall he has mismatched body parts. If this is just a concept then I'll be looking out for the final.
:beer:

eupee
03-30-2005, 03:47 PM
i love this, i cant think of anything to make it better... only make sure you finish it!

Dominus
03-30-2005, 04:05 PM
i like the concept! good luck! ;)

suk-grigorij
03-30-2005, 04:09 PM
COOL!
I always respect people who can draw. May be because I can't.

_____________________________________________________
Good Luck.

Oh Yeah!... I like your monkey too.

Jezzarts
03-30-2005, 04:29 PM
Sorry duddlebug, I was off on my own tangent still thinking he has an evil master who gave him those scars. I'm with the program now... he he... looking great by the way. I had a gander at your website and was very impressed. - jez -

omengeorge
03-30-2005, 07:05 PM
ohh im sad that i saw this sooo late..as soon as i saw ur latest update on the ifrst page, I had to go through each and every page..and man have there been a lot of updates and comments.. all working out into an amazing peice of work...thumbs up to you man..love this image in all its cuteness..
love,
Vinesh

flyingP
03-30-2005, 07:34 PM
OK that bear is very cool now, love the expression

the rabbit is bloody brilliant too :D

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 06:08 AM
Poshspice: It's stylisation, darling! Stylisation! :p Seriously though... i know i probably went a bit over the top with the sticks all looking similar. They'll be more varied in the final piece...

Paul Davidson: Thanks Paul... I'm gonna introduce a few contrasting colours in the final piece. And he'll be more than likely skipping along... so a red cape...? Possibly...

W!L: Can't wait..? Me neither...

Gamoron: Haha...Cheers! I'm gonna go into more detail, concepting the animals. Gotta get the mixture of 'cuteness' and 'sinister' just right in the image. The mis-matched shoes is a fantastic idea!! Thanks!

eupee: I'm gonna finish this one!! Promise!! I'm even gonna try and finish it early before my new baby's due!!

Dominus, suk-grigorij: Thanks!!

Jezzarts: AaaAah!! he does have an evil master... and he did give him those scars... albeit when he made him! It's just not a story of revenge... And thanks! Glad you liked the website!

omengeorge: You're not late!! I've bear-ely started!! (haha... get it? do you? huh? huh?)

flyingP: Cheers Brian! Hopefully they'll keep the qualities you like through into the final composition...

Thanks again everyone!! I'll try and get another update uploaded today. It'll be something very rough though...

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 11:49 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112273384_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112273384_large.jpg)

Okay... Here's a very very rough sketch for the final image. Just to give y'all an idea of what i'm planning.

this may look like a massive step backwards from my previous colour concept, but i figure it's worth posting all my process and this is a thumbnail i did at lunch (about 4cm x 8cm) to give me a stating point for composition...

A 'less-rough-but-probably-still-very-rough' coming soon...

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 11:51 AM
that looks cool,very dynamic!

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 11:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112273533_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112273533_large.jpg)

Oh... and here's a bunny sketch... i did it before i did the colour 'mood' concept.

I just thought he looked funny...

paulwdavidson
03-31-2005, 12:05 PM
I know it's a WIP, and you've probably got it all sorted (knowing you) but just a thought :


To avoid the whole movement going too far to the left of the page and you eye falling off, it might be worth (with the use of the tree's roots?) guiding the eye back into and towards the basket.

Just an observation.

Loving it!

Paul

THE Wizard
03-31-2005, 12:07 PM
HAHAHAHA! HE's GREAT

Well, nice work indead.. Good Luck & have fun!


:wise: my master & slave 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858):twisted:

Art2
03-31-2005, 12:11 PM
I really like your last rough. It looks more dynamic and cheerful.
I hope you'll make the pic not as dark as your last concept. Maybe situate the scene at the edge of the forest.
I also love the design of the boy, especially the band aid, very funny.

shivacola
03-31-2005, 12:19 PM
cool idea !
:)

mack72
03-31-2005, 12:36 PM
I like this new layout mucho! To agree with Mr.Davidson, it may nice to add a few creatures at the edge of the image, to make it like the litte fella is going to walk towards us. I do like all this new movement though!

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 02:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112282628_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112282628_large.jpg)

Especially for Paul and Mack... curled the path around into the foreground and moved the boy and the basket...

I'll probably bring the bear further round too. But i only had a few minutes to change it during my afternoon cuppa...

mack72
03-31-2005, 02:28 PM
Hooray! This works so much better now! I can see this is going to be an awesome piece! It appears much stronger now. All you have to do now is start doing some more colour comps. (And doing my rough for me as well!:rolleyes: !!)

Cheers!
Mack

Slav
03-31-2005, 02:29 PM
the new sketch is wonderful!

keep up the good work jonny

Adamos
03-31-2005, 02:34 PM
Love it when you throw us another filthy sketch!

is there anything to crit?!

the story is a 5 star one, ready for animation, talking 'bout motion, have you ever wanted to animate Jonny?

just curious...

later

cheerio

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 04:13 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112289180_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112289180_large.jpg)

I've been thinking about maybe reverting back to a landscape format. Gives me space to get the trees in and really have a go at adding depth to the image.

Also tinkering with the idea of him having a picnic. And using the animals to collect a load of food, maybe? Or just to get them to come along as his 'friends'... under the power of the flute, of course! With possibly a few 'franken-teddies' sewn together around the picnic mat...?

OR... i may have a few baskets. Not just firewood... but fruits... and flowers... and mushrooms... So the animals are bringing an assortment of stuff.

OR... maybe i'll just stick with firewood.

But... i DO think i'll go with the 'portrait' format.

Whaddya reckon...?

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 04:17 PM
oOooh... and just thought i'd quickly answer a few things...

mack72: Cheers... colour comps on the way!!

Slav: Thanks!! I'll try...

Adamos: TA!! Nope... not really done any animation (other than models for game FMV). But i think i'm definitely a frustrated animator/storyteller. A kid's book would be a good start.

THE Wizard
03-31-2005, 05:25 PM
Hmmm, interesting an promesing - keep on!!


My master & SERVANT 2d (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

paulwdavidson
03-31-2005, 05:33 PM
All of your new ideas are a winner with me. Teddies.......yes.........it's his own special little secret.


Portrait......................yes

Paul

suk-grigorij
03-31-2005, 05:41 PM
Damn! I still love your monkey.

dondiego
03-31-2005, 05:45 PM
Hey, this is really good!
It`s a funny and cool concept, and I am eager to see how it will be in the end.
However, I dunno if the picnic stuff fits well. I think the idea of a frankenkid playing his animal-enchanter flute in a forest is good enough. For me, the picnic seems a little bit "over".
See ya!

artjunkie
03-31-2005, 07:12 PM
YES! this new concept of yours is GREAT! Nice how you framed the image with the roots & such. I'd only suggest when you start detailing to be careful the focus on frankie-boy isn't lost by the hoard of surrounding critters, but I guess you could just cast him in a pool of light filtering through the trees to highlight him? Just a thought.

Man, your style is sah-weeeet! Your designs constantly fill me with giddy, childlike glee... of happiness, er... joy... thing... Keep up the amazing work!

Cheers!

NOOB!
03-31-2005, 07:18 PM
ok...so this thread is huge..and i can see why.

excellent work!

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 08:41 PM
THE Wizard: Why... thankyou Mr.Wizard.

Paul Davidson: Thanks Paul! Um... i'm still wondering about the teddies and stuff. I think it might overcomplicate things... i'll have to ponder some more...

suk-grigorij: Monkey? What Monkey? There'll be no more Monkeys in this thread!! Just bears... and rabbits... and squirrels... and mooses...

Don Diego: Hi! Thanks! And i'm inclined to agree with you... i reckon the picnic might be a bit 'over'... I think, in the clearing, i'm going to go with an old tricycle with a little trailer and baskets with sticks, fruit, flowers and mushrooms... And the animals bringing a selection of those things, perhaps...

artjunkie: Cheers matey! As i just said, i think i'm gonna ditch the picnic in favour of the tricycle and baskets to avoid 'over-complicating' the composition and theme. And i'll make sure i light the scene to bring the focus on the kid. Some rough colour tests should be coming over the next few days...

NOOB!: Haha... thanks! It's great to have people interested. I just hope i can produce a final image that keeps peeps interested...

More to come tomorrow hopefully... good night!

CoreyArtE
03-31-2005, 08:45 PM
This composition is much more interesting and protrays a much better story than the previous I think. I am a fan of your work, your style is so unique. Do you think you'll stay with this composition?

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 08:47 PM
Corey... i'm gonna stay with something very very similar... but probably minus the picnic... just the tricycle, baskets, little frankenkid, some trees and flowers and a bunch of hypnotised animals!!

AlyFell
03-31-2005, 08:48 PM
I must admit Jonny, I really really (repeat ad-infinitum) really like the portrait view. It's perfect for the scene, and enables you to get some interesting tree dwelling beasties in as well! Oooh! I can't wait.... what colour are your bunnies going to be? (Like that's important... humour me!)

duddlebug
03-31-2005, 08:52 PM
um... brown...? white...? Er... pink? Oooh... pastel blue? Ooooh... oOOh...I know i know... same colour as your kitchen cupboards!! :) teehee...

i dunno... it's late... time for bed...

paulwdavidson
03-31-2005, 09:28 PM
Damn! I think i'll have to go back on my suggestion of portrait. I can see this as a landscape piece.


It might give a larger sense of scale, and allow you to create more depth in the environment ie you could lace the woods with activity (you could do this with portrait, but not as much with landscape)

plus, an old comic book technique of slowing pace down with the aspect ratio, forcing your eye to linger on the shot longer because it has to travel across the image. This might be a nice technique for taking in more information...........because there's going to be a lot going on.

Worth a thought, buddy

Cheers

Paul

Dancin' Mochi
03-31-2005, 10:09 PM
Hiya!
I love your picture already. The composition makes the whole scene very, oh, I don't know, 'intimate'? I think that's the word. It feels like you are right there, peeking into whatever the characters are doing right in front of you, but they don't see you. It's framed nicely. Looking forward to see the progress!
Be back later.

BloodTaster
04-01-2005, 02:47 AM
Hey Duddle!

Really like you last scene, maybe down a little the "eye line"...but it just a detail
Good luck on this man!!:buttrock: fantastic!

duddlebug
04-01-2005, 07:20 AM
Paul... hmmm... yeh... er...ummmm.... i hate decisions like these. I think i might go back to landscape...?

Or i might work the rough up in both formats to a more finished state and then decide. If i'm gonna carry on and make a kid's picture book out of this idea, then landscape would be a good starting point for me. I could do it to picture book 'double-page-spread' dimensions.

So what's this comic book stuff..?


Dancin' Mochi: Thanks... intimate's a good word. And i like your interpretation of the viewer "peeking into whatever the characters are doing right in front of you, but they don't see you". I hadn't actually thought of that but i might push that as a feeling for the reader. Thanks!

BloodTaster: Cheers... i'm not completely settled on the composition... so i might consider bringing the 'eye-line' down further. It'll probably depend on whether i go with landscape or portrait format... and whether i decide to add the picnic stuff.

mack72
04-01-2005, 07:29 AM
This is looking great! I like both ideas of landscape or portrait. They both have their advantages. Landscape, beacuse you can really go to town and put (time permitting!) lots of details into the forest, really make the viewer savour the image. Portrait, lets you totally focus your attention on the little frankenheimer playing his flute. You could also have lots of animals following him, going off into the distance, showing the power of the flute! The only problem being that it could make the image look cramped.


I think they should be all following him 'Bisto Kids' style. Either all carrying the same thing (ie firewood, although there is no space for a fire) or they are carrying what they would eat at a picnic!

Or, I could be just waffling on, making you spend to much time reading these replies, meaning I can try and get mine finished before you!!!:D

Arc80
04-01-2005, 09:32 AM
what's up dude,

I think both composition works well, but with the new sketch you did, it might get a little too busy for the viewers eyes. There's a lot of details on this. Just be careful not to loose your focal point if you are going to do this one. I think that will depend on how you are going to light the scene and use of colours.
Anyway, still a good sketch.

cheers,
Archie

paulwdavidson
04-01-2005, 10:19 AM
So what's this comic book stuff..?

I'm no expert (by any stratch of the imagination) but i've worked for Games Workshop 'Warhammer monthly' on and off since 98'

and the eye manipulation techniques i've picked up relate to pacing and how you can control how long a reader might look at a panel and vice versa

eg there's different thoughts on this, and it's up for argument but: in a panel, if it's larger than the rest on the page, and is laced with detail, you'll force the eye to hang on it longer.....less detail and more black or negative space you speed up, increasing the pace ( Mike Mignola IS an expert at this)

The shape of a panel depicts the direction the eye goes in. All I was trying to point out was for your sort of storytelling scene, as apposed to a portrait snap-shot type of scene, a landscape layout would afford the eye and head to wander back and forth over it, digesting more information which is what this great 'storytelling' illustration you're doing will benefit from.

I hope I read well

As always.........a big fan

Paul

Jezzarts
04-01-2005, 10:29 AM
pide piper meets the Frankinteddybears picnic!! I think the whole idea is very stong with endless possibilities. This little guy can finally have some friends... even if they are hypnotised. Maybe he accidentily breaks his flute but the animals have so much fun they stay friends forever... awwww thats so sweet :rolleyes:

Xtronik
04-01-2005, 10:33 AM
"A DARK picnic, perhaps...?" :)
funny idea !

duddlebug
04-01-2005, 01:05 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112364346_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5794/5794_1112364346_large.jpg)

A rough sketch i did at lunch... All very drab and green, but the final piece would be more colourful and sunny, especially in the foreground.

I'm just thinking about rough composition at this stage. I might toss this aside and start a colour painting next. I've got a much better idea of what i want to do after these thumbnails.

And i've switched it back to landscape... *sigh*...

killploki
04-01-2005, 01:11 PM
i like the way the lights and darks are looking in your concept work. it should look really good once you start with colour.

duddlebug
04-01-2005, 01:13 PM
And a quick reply while i drink my afternoon cuppa...

mack72: AS you can see... i think i'm going with the landscape image. And between the trees to the right will be a trail of stick-bearing animals trailing into the distance! I'll desaturate them and set them well back, so it shouldn't look too busy. I'm gonna take extra care with lights and shadows to keep the focus on the kid and avoid it lookin' too messy.

Arc80: Thanks... i think i talked through the stuff you raised with the last paragraph!!

Paul Davidson: Cheers Mr.Davidson! I'll try and take some of that advice into my composition. I definitely want the image to tell the story...

Jezzarts: I've wimped out on the picnic... but the flute will go missing in the story... i roughed it out last night. And i'm planning on posting a series of rough pages later in the challenge to tell the story.

Xtronik: Thanks! But, i'm afraid the picnic's gone... :shrug:

BloodTaster
04-01-2005, 01:19 PM
Nice update! I think is real better, I'll be watching your evolution, congrats!:thumbsup:

Imriela
04-01-2005, 03:55 PM
I think making it bright and colorful and happy will contrast hilariously with the fact that he's piping them all to his picnic! (Then again, I think just about everything's funny, but what gives...)

Someone else may have already said this (read the thread but still may have missed something), but I think whether or not the eyes are glowing will say everything about the Master/Servant relationship. If they're glowing, we'll assume that they're hypnotized, but if they weren't glowing, maybe they're just drawn to the lovely trills of his amazing flautist skill!

walrus
04-01-2005, 04:41 PM
Hey, Jonny! I really like seeing Frank dancing, it really gives him a lot more personality! I feel like the animals are getting way too busy in the background. Though it was a bit too linear, i really did like the clarity of the "pied piper" like layout from post #33. Maybe you could take that and curve it around: Instead of having animals scattered throughout the image, have a clearly defined line of them, even if it's curving all over the place, kind of like a hypnotized-animal-conga-line. Anyhow, just an idea... Still looking good anyhow!

-mike

Squibbit
04-01-2005, 04:43 PM
so cool sketches , they're all good:thumbsup:

duddlebug
04-01-2005, 08:32 PM
BloodTaster: Cheers... glad you like this version... i'm gonna stick with the landscape format.

Imriela: Thanks... but no picnic now! Just a basket of firewood... and maybe some apples... and mushrooms... and flowers... The eyes will be glowing. At this point in the story, they'#re helping him because of the powers of the flute...

walrus: I don't think i've done a good enough job with this concept. I think the glowing eyes probably confuse the positioning of the animals somewhat. They are gonna be in a trail... along a curving path... curling around the tree and off to the right of the picture... like a "hypnotized-animal-conga-line"!! Hopefully i can get a more finished rough done over the weekend that'll make the lighting and composition clearer. Thanks for the input!

Squibbit: Ta! :thumbsup:

artjunkie
04-01-2005, 08:42 PM
Hey, mate!

I'm diggin' this latest update... those shafts of light really make the kid stand out in all that forest gloom. Can't wait to see you begin painting! This'll be killer for sure!

Cheers,

my 2D entry:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=222438

Adamos
04-02-2005, 12:13 AM
If this is a thumbnail, then I can't say anything worthwhile, cause as messy as it is it't seems like a finished green sketch. To me adding color to it would take away the not so children's book-like monochromatic touch of the image. When I almost shut my eyes and look at it that way, I see the composition perfectly balanced by dark/light greens and whites. And! There's a lot going on, but the scene's not over stuffed. another balance between too much and too little. The volume lghts work well (the left one enhancing the kid, the right one adding contrast to the BG.

One thing though your very-very first blue pencil bear sketch is even better than this one!

This bear is also adorable, but the first one is king.

...said nothing but spoke out loud, hehe

cheers
Adam

Art2
04-02-2005, 07:02 AM
Yeah! this one is even better than the last sketch. Love the rays of light.

NinjaA55N
04-02-2005, 02:28 PM
I love post #206 the best! Its so powerfull and full of emotions.. probably coz of its size and full of characters in there. If u think u r able to finish that pic in time, I suggest u to do so. Or at least stay with that picnic idea which I assume u will. Very original concept with a picnic upgrade. One of my favorite threads for sure!

andreabreu
04-02-2005, 05:38 PM
I had liked the first composition with frankenkid and the animal in the center.
I had visited your websited your work is great. Good lucky in this new challenge.

birdybear
04-03-2005, 07:16 AM
I love your progress. I keep checking on your drawings to see what is happening. You are one of my favorites in here. Keep on going and best of luck during judging! :)

Oh! And I'd like to say that this is so far your best composition. The elements are overlapping really sucsessfully. I'm hoping you keep this orientation... but its always up to you! Great imagination and ideas.

redfrog
04-03-2005, 08:38 AM
love your illustration style, especially in the conceptual stage. You characters have that semi sinister abstract quality to them. Can't wait to see this evolve. Great work!

am7
04-03-2005, 01:13 PM
Your simplistic and exaggerated style is fantastic! One of my fav's in this contest! Keep it up!

Vahn
04-03-2005, 05:57 PM
looks very cool so far. I like ur style....actually ur machineflesh entry lead me to cgtalk in the first place. I thank u for that :D

TheFirstAngel
04-03-2005, 08:11 PM
very cool new sketch, even thought i liked the last one as well. so many pets... furball rave :D
Landscape so far works well. wish you loadsa fun and best luck, cheers :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Arc80
04-03-2005, 08:35 PM
what's up dude,

nice, i'm liking the lighting. This will be a good piece to play around with volumetric lighting and defiantely colours. I would add something in the foreground though, personally speaking.
You know, your first idea has a more intimate relatioship with the audience which communicates the whole Master & Servant theme a lot stronger, because you can see a closer expression of the boy and the animals around him. Your second piece is a lot more open for different interpretation, but it's a really good scene shot to play around with people's emotion and thoughts and lighting and colours. Whatever piece you choose, i think will work well for the challenge.

cheers,
Archie
My master & servant entry (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224331)

Pierrick
04-03-2005, 08:53 PM
really beautifull Style !! Nice subject ... ^^

Blaschke
04-03-2005, 09:47 PM
I like this idea. Can't wait for the color. good luck!

ChristianHammer
04-04-2005, 12:40 AM
These thumbnails are all great... this lst one is looking really promising.

BlackDidThis
04-04-2005, 06:57 AM
I don't know.. even though the freshly introduced cast adds so much to the whole of the image. I have to say that I can't get over the composition and lighting brought up by your post #182 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2103260&postcount=182). It is had for me to point out the precise reasons. When I look at the individual elements, the dancing, the forst.. the path.. all of it just gives out more. But the image was a strong one in that thumb of yours. Couldn't let it go.

The concept is very sweet and offers a fantastic variaty that has been left out in most of the entries. Though I must admit that it took me coming here a few times to get to read them all through out. I would love to se what you have in mind to present in the next to come update. As it is always a something new :)

tagging along!


Black