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JTD
03-22-2005, 06:14 AM
John Thomas Delaney has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5757)

Latest Update: Final Image: Master and Servant
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116312235_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116312235_large.jpg)

It is done. Or should I say time is up so I need to quit fussing with it or I'll miss the deadline. I think everyone here would continue to tweak his or her art if we didn't have a firm date with which to stop us.

The image is a subtle moment just before a physical chastising. The Master is the reluctant prince holding the whip and the Servant is the man being stretched between chains. A trainer is losing his patience while trying to pressure the boy into action. Ironic, isnít it, since the trainer is ultimately a servant of the boy as well. But the boy cannot find it in his heart to whip the slave who, though naked and ashamed, accepts his fate with grim determination.

The image was a series of pencil drawings, which I then scanned into the computer. I used Photoshop7 for the composition and coloring. I had between 35 and 40 separate layers and I used a couple of textures (which I just learned how to do for this contest! cool huh?) to achieve certain results.

Iíve really enjoyed the quality of work that Iíve seen in this contest and I think it was a great theme. I had fun and I wish you all good luck!

JTD
03-24-2005, 04:30 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1111681834_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1111681834_large.jpg)

This is a quick contest and I have to move quickly, so here is the initial sketch. What you are looking at is a man of strength. I donít want him with impossible proportions but more of a football or wrestling type of body. He is strung up between chains on his wrists and ankles. His captors are standing just outside the circle of light and one of the children of the captors is moving closer. The man who is strung up is the slave, the captors are the masters.

My idea is actually not to focus on the slave even though he is in the center of the picture. What I want to focus on is the fear in the child approaching him. Even though the man is strung up, exhausted by his torture, and humiliated by his nakedness, he is still someone to be feared. Why he is feared is not important. The fear itself is the emotion I want to drive this scene. The child approaches cautiously and keeps one arm back towards his father just in case.

Now, I need to flesh out the actual proportions and musculature of the man. The scene will be stark with only volumetric light coming from the top and slowly fading in a circle around the man.

JTD
03-29-2005, 08:32 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112085141_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112085141_large.jpg)

Here are the other figures in the scene. In fact, there are more people in the scene that will be implied because I have the girl talking to someone off-scene.

I'm not happy with the boy's pose. It seems too cautious and not very natural. The girl will be minimum detail as she will be in the shadows.

I'm still fleshing this out before final inking.

P.S. Ignore the ugly penciled scan - I don't have a wacom yet!

Jack Youngblood
03-29-2005, 10:54 PM
Yeh. Good drawing. What's the background gonna look like? I think that the girl would look better if she weren't so frontal. Maybe a bit twisted. You said the boy worries you. I think he looks mostly fine. maybe you could bend his outstretched arm a bit. But its all early days isn't it? What software are you going to use?



My challenge response (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2082674#post2082674)

Ichthus
03-29-2005, 11:30 PM
Love the idea. it might be more dramatic if the observer sees the mans back like with scars or whatever torture you meant him to endure, so that you can show the fear of the boy clearer. just another option you can choose.

Miyagu
03-30-2005, 10:02 AM
nice description/composition! itīs going to be very emotional.. i like it! good luck!:thumbsup:

JTD
04-01-2005, 07:04 PM
Thanks for the feedback, folks!



Jack Youngblood, I purposely want the background stark with a spot light over the servant and a little ambiance that is barely suggested in the characters. I want to put down a tile floor and Iím going to have the bottom chain descend into a well. I agree that the girl is out of context just facing the viewer so if I keep her then sheís going to be either facing the servant or away from him as she talks to somebody. This scene is sort of like a social gathering to watch the servant get whipped. Iíll be using PS7 for the coloring but itís just a plain piece of paper and a pencil at this point!



Ichthus, I thought about whip strokes on his back for a while but I decided that I purposely want the image absent of blood. Iíve changed how I want to present the small child too. What Iím going to do is have a small child holding a whip while being given instruction by an adult; a precursor to whipping the slave. I think this will show the fear in the boy as he struggles with his conscienceóhe is about to inflict punishment on Ďhisí servant and yet heís terrified about what the servant may do to him if the opportunity presents itself.



Thanks Dunkelgold for the encouragement! You know I love your entry!

I should have updates by the end of this weekend.

JTD
04-02-2005, 06:09 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112422140_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112422140_large.jpg)

Here's the boy. I guess he's an aristocrat of some sort and he's being instructed on how to whip his servant. I'm really going for trepidation with this character. I want to show the relationship between master and servant to be one of uncertainty and mixed emotions.

By the way, not everyone is naked in this picture; I just start them off that way because it is easier for me to understand their form. I also need to start creating my perspective or Iíll end up with the boyís feet at eye level while the rest of the picture is a subtle top down.

Sorry for the slop, Iíll clean up these line drawings when Iím sure of how I want to present it.

redfrog
04-02-2005, 07:01 AM
John Thomas Delaney has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5757)

Latest Update: Concept Sketch: concept characters
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112422140_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112422140_large.jpg)

Here's the boy. I guess he's an aristocrat of some sort and he's being instructed on how to whip his servant. I'm really going for trepidation with this character. I want to show the relationship between master and servant to be one of uncertainty and mixed emotions.

By the way, not everyone is naked in this picture; I just start them off that way because it is easier for me to understand their form. I also need to start creating my perspective or Iíll end up with the boyís feet at eye level while the rest of the picture is a subtle top down.

Sorry for the slop, Iíll clean up these line drawings when Iím sure of how I want to present it.

Interesting concept behind the pic. I like the fact it's looking at the traditional roles of master and servant but with a compassionate outlook. Will be interesting to see this one pan out.

THE Wizard
04-03-2005, 12:25 AM
Hmmm I don't know. it seems fine but I think you shoul define a little more your characters. As I said it seems kind of good concept.


My master And Servant 2D (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=225858)

JTD
04-05-2005, 10:43 PM
redfrog, I like your idea better than mine. In fact, as I look at my composition, it lends itself more to compassion than fear. I like this. Iíll have the boy not wanting to whip his servant simply because he feels sorry for the servant, not because he is afraid of him. Brilliant. Thanks.



Wizard, youíre right. Itís hard to comment on my characters if you donít have a face or clothes or anything to comment on. Iím working on that and Iíll have updates soon.

JTD
04-06-2005, 08:35 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112772906_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1112772906_large.jpg)

I've got the master about how I want him now. Bear with me, this is a slow process and I admire the speed with which many of you can generate images, especially the DSGers. But the line art milestone is a little ways off.

The scene will now only have three characters: the Master, the Servant and the Teacher. A desolate scene works better with stark lighting anyway.

I'm not using fear anymore to drive this scene as I feel sympathy is a better option. So just sit back and enjoy the process as I wrestle to get my idea from my head to the computer.

JTD
04-21-2005, 05:13 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1114056755_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1114056755_large.jpg)

Didn't want you to think I've forgotten about our challenge. I'm still working on the line art but I thought this would be a neat time to show the difference between the boy and his teacher. I've only applied a directional light source for the boy but I've worked on the values for his teacher. I put a gradient behind it so the contrast didn't explode your eyes out of your head but I am not using this background color. Plenty to work on before I submit the line art. Almost finished with the servant too and I'll work on the Master tonight.

JTD
05-05-2005, 05:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1115268209_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1115268209_large.jpg)

Line art is finally done. Actually, I could spend a lot more time on this (it's the perfectionist in me) but we only have 13 days left!

Basic shading was done in PS7. First I added gray and then I dodged and burned it where appropriate. Then I smudged every single pixel. I swear! It only took me a month and a half! Background is a gradient and I actually started with that so that I would know where to put my light.

Painting should be a minimal blue aura. I left the hard lines for the clothes and boots when I color in those. I plan on putting some DOF on the Master and his teacher with a gaussian blur. We'll see.

Anyway, good luck to you all. This was fun and challenging and I appreciate the feedback I received and the support I was able to give to others.

JTD
05-12-2005, 07:44 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1115880250_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1115880250_large.jpg)

Starting to color. I've got clothes, I've got textures, but there is still a lot more to come.

Coloring is my weakest skill so if it looks funny then let me know because chances are I think it's fantastic...and I don't know any better.

JTD
05-15-2005, 09:50 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147022_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147022_large.jpg)

I have fleshed out most of my image and need to step back and look at it for a while. I'm sure there's something that needs something but I've been staring at it for so long that I can't think of anything.

JTD
05-15-2005, 09:52 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147129_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147129_large.jpg)

Details

JTD
05-15-2005, 09:54 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147245_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116147245_large.jpg)

more details

JTD
05-17-2005, 06:47 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116308831_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116308831_large.jpg)

I've clean up the lines everywhere. This is the final coloring.

JTD
05-17-2005, 07:43 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116312235_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5757/5757_1116312235_large.jpg)

It is done. Or should I say time is up so I need to quit fussing with it or I'll miss the deadline. I think everyone here would continue to tweak his or her art if we didn't have a firm date with which to stop us.

The image is a subtle moment just before a physical chastising. The Master is the reluctant prince holding the whip and the Servant is the man being stretched between chains. A trainer is losing his patience while trying to pressure the boy into action. Ironic, isnít it, since the trainer is ultimately a servant of the boy as well. But the boy cannot find it in his heart to whip the slave who, though naked and ashamed, accepts his fate with grim determination.

The image was a series of pencil drawings, which I then scanned into the computer. I used Photoshop7 for the composition and coloring. I had between 35 and 40 separate layers and I used a couple of textures (which I just learned how to do for this contest! cool huh?) to achieve certain results.

Iíve really enjoyed the quality of work that Iíve seen in this contest and I think it was a great theme. I had fun and I wish you all good luck!

Kitkatt_1
06-16-2005, 03:01 AM
I love the intense lighting in your scene and your sketches. Good luck with the contest :)

BTW: I, too, am starting to play with textures in Photoshop. Sigh, still so much to learn even after using Photoshop for over 7 years ;)

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