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SavageCreature
03-22-2005, 02:17 AM
Clint Thorne has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5688)

Latest Update: Final Image: concept two final image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116425796_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116425796_large.jpg)

Well, here it is, final image! Like so many others, I wasnít sure Iíd get here.
Thank you, everyone, for all your support and encouragement.

I donít think too much of an explanation or description of whatís going on is appropriate. If Iíve done the image correctly, the story should be in the picture. But I thought, since everyone else has been doing it, Iíd make a couple of comments:
The relationship between master and servant is not always a negative one. There is great honor in many types of service, and an individual can become part of something larger than themselves by surrendering their lives to the needs of something greater. Often they find personal rewards they had never conceived of, through service, and the benefits to them seem to outweigh their efforts to serve.
I tried to convey that sort of heart felt participation and emotional commitment between my Deep-Dweller and her Leviathan. They are each otherís only companions, life long partners. Their contact with the surface world is infrequent and brief, only when she requires maintenance or repair on the technology that sustains her body against the harshness of open water.
*chuckle* Thatís already more than I intended to say, so Iíll wrap it up. This has been a great deal of fun. Good luck everybody!

SavageCreature
04-08-2005, 08:33 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112988787_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112988787_large.jpg)

I always begin with some scribble sketches to loosen up and see if I can find some interesting shapes and distinctive silhouettes. They usually spark more ideas and allow me to consider options that might improve on my original idea (which is still in my head). There are couple of these that are interesting, some of them are too obvious, some of them weren't any good to start with, but they got me started.

SavageCreature
04-08-2005, 09:15 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112991356_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112991356_large.jpg)

my original idea was to portray a relationship between a leviathan and an aquatic woman. I thought it would be best to portray this relationship from the point of the creature by giving it's eye as much emotion and intelligence as I could manage. To that end, this was my first concept sketch.

SavageCreature
04-08-2005, 09:19 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112991591_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112991591_large.jpg)

As the image progressed I discovered some problems with the woman's anatomy. Primarily her fingers are too short and she's got a horribly disfigured growth where her head should be. I decided to address the head issue first.

calisto-lynn
04-08-2005, 09:24 PM
it looks nice, i like your penciled shadows. it :thumbsup: ll look great!

SavageCreature
04-08-2005, 09:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112992484_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1112992484_large.jpg)

In an attempt to discover the best solution to my problems with her head, I did a number of overlays trying out different heads, head positions and hair styles.

Grgeon
04-09-2005, 05:53 PM
It's looking great dude! Keep up the great work. Can't wait to see this thing colored.

George

SavageCreature
04-09-2005, 06:20 PM
Thank you for the words of encouragement, both of you :)Hopefully as I post more images people will have more to say.

SavageCreature
04-11-2005, 03:06 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1113228365_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1113228365_large.jpg)

I fixed her head, lengthened her fingers (though I'm still not happy with them) and touched up some other odds and ends. In the original sketch she had bangs, which I thought gave her a harsher, harder feel, but when I was testing various head designs I decided that I liked it better with messier, more natural hair. It integrates her better with the creature, as if they're both occupants of the same environ. I think I'll call this one done for now so I can explore some other aspects of the design.

calisto-lynn
04-11-2005, 03:18 PM
i liked her more with her eyes shut.. it looked like she has apsolute power, and she seemed like she is really thinking about something.. keeping all her feelings inside, ready to burst..:thumbsup:

SavageCreature
04-11-2005, 03:41 PM
Yeah, I sorta like her eyes shut, too, so thanks for saying so, calisto. Makes me feel a little less crazy. :D I showed the various "test heads" to friends and family, though, and they all liked her better looking toward the viewer, so I thought I'd give it a try. Ironically, when I posted this image it landed right next to another image with tenticles which I hadn't seen before, so I might drop the idea altogether and persue something else. I'm not entirely sure, at this point. My original idea didn't have tenticles, I just thought it would be interesting to explore what they did for the image and the relationship between the two characters, so it won't hurt my feelings too badly to do something else with it.

calisto-lynn
04-14-2005, 08:50 PM
nice going! cant wait to see coloured!:applause:

marcheen
04-14-2005, 08:57 PM
nice one! you have some nice pencil skills. can't wait to see this in colors. and i looked on those various face shots of the girl and i liked the middle one the most. but it's your choice. and the new one looks good too.

good luck!

calisto-lynn
04-20-2005, 12:32 PM
oy i suggest u put a signature of ur thread. this way i gotta search u through ur profile!:)

Groady
04-20-2005, 12:57 PM
Fantastic sketches so far! Have you thought of doing a less human eye for the octopus thing? I love the texture you have going on him. Keep it up :thumbsup: .

Vectorius
04-20-2005, 01:22 PM
it's a good idea..nice sktech..maybe you should put a more animals or fantastik eye for octopus:) ...to create a drama feeling....i'll come back see colors and lights


Keep it up

SavageCreature
04-23-2005, 05:27 PM
Sorry for the long period between updates. Work has been . . busy. We've been working six-day weeks for a while now, so I haven't had as much time to dedicated to this as I would have liked.

First, thanks to all of you for your words of encouragement. It really keeps me motivated to keep at it. Calisto, you've changed your avatar three times since this challenge started, and every time you do it freaks me out. : )



About the creature's eye; I intentionally made it very human looking because the only element of the image that I have to portray a relationship between the woman and the creature is the creature's eye. If I give it a completely alien, cold, monstrous eye it will entirely change the nature of how the woman and the creature feel about each other, I think. I want the relationship to be a voluntary one, maybe even an affectionate one, and I thought by giving the creature a more human-like eye it would appear to have more intelligence and feeling. I'm trying to create the contrast between a huge, hideous beast and a delicate, beautiful woman, but through their eyes create an emotional and intellectual bond between them



I've been working diligently with every spare minute and I'll have more work to display in the next day or so



c

Neozoom
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
Arg! a bit gory man^^ disgusting hehe^^

but I like concept , but hurry up , rest only 3 weeks until end...

cyberarts
04-23-2005, 05:54 PM
I like your drawing style. I know that you are not satisfy with the hand. and for most of us, it always a puzzle, just to get it right. I'm sure that you will get over it. =0)

Great job so far and i can't wait to see the final result...

CoreyArtE
04-23-2005, 05:57 PM
Sweet sketch! maybe add more emotion to the girls face? Anyway looking really good so far!

Robert Longfield
04-23-2005, 06:54 PM
Nice concept! The only thing I see with the hands is her first fingure needs to be a bit longer.(on her right hand).


I cant wait to see it getting coloured. :)

SavageCreature
04-25-2005, 08:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114456886_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114456886_large.jpg)

Well, as I had mentioned before, when I posted the final version of concept one there was another tenticled beast right next to it. In addition, the idea that had inspired me in the first place was of a creature much more "whale-like", I just like to draw tenticles, so I gave the other idea a try. Not wanting my entry to be too similar to someone else's and in an attempt to move back in the direction I originally envisioned, I came up with this. The creature is based on one of my original scribble sketches. I think the composition is much more interesting, I like the way the woman's body language describes the relationship between her and the leviathan, and the image has a sense of motion and energy, so I'll see where this one leads.

SavageCreature
04-25-2005, 08:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114457266_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114457266_large.jpg)

So, I started out with a very complex and detailed surface texture, but found that having so many lines evenly distributed accross the surface of the leviathan's skin gave it a very flat, two dimensional look, which I was not at all happy with. After a bit of consideration, I decided that it's skin texture needed more, larger, masses and less (but not too much less) small detail.

liiga
04-25-2005, 08:51 PM
I think this new concept is better. It really speaks volumes about their relationship.

One thing though, the woman's body looks stiff from waist down. The way I look at it, I'm seeing the leviathan swimming carefully with the woman reclining on its head/neck, but when I look at how her body is curved, I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is what you meant. She kinda looks like she's falling off. :\

SavageCreature
04-25-2005, 09:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114461994_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114461994_large.jpg)

I've refined some of the surface volumes on the head and I'm much happier with it. I think it looks much less flat, and I feel like the teeth and eye aren't as lost in the clutter.

Thank you very much for the input, Liiga. I'll bend her at the torso some and see if it flows better. Adding some shading to the woman's body might also help, when I get there ;) I had seen them as only in contact with each other at the woman's shoulders, with her body trailing a bit to the right as the leviathan changes direction, turning the left.

SavageCreature
04-25-2005, 09:56 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114462606_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114462606_large.jpg)

As I was working in more of the detail, from somewhere in my demented brain came the idea of giving him gills like the "mudpuppies" I used to catch as a kid. I put them in there, and for a while, I actually liked how it was working, but all of a sudden I realized it was a horrible idea and completely contrary to the contrast I was trying to develop in the image, so I'm pretty sure they'll be gone in the next version. I am, however, happy with how his dorsal fin is working.

SavageCreature
04-26-2005, 03:47 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114526822_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114526822_large.jpg)

Ok. Not much of a change, but I ditched the external gills and wanted a version up without them. I want to find some way to bring up the dorsal fin so it's a little more visible. Maybe when I get it drawn in on the tail it'll stand out more in general. Think I'll put in a couple of rows of larger scales on either side of the dorsal fin, too, to exemplify the perspective a little more and make the leviathan look like it stretches into the distance more.

AlyFell
04-28-2005, 01:27 PM
What gorgeous pencil work Clint! :bounce: How are you going to go about colouring?

komaroml
04-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Very detailed texture. I prefer the first concept. Maybe a stressed octo eyes give more power but it is my opinion...Waiting for coloring...:thumbsup:

calisto-lynn
04-28-2005, 03:27 PM
this is a much better pose, it looks so great!:thumbsup:

Grgeon
04-28-2005, 06:55 PM
Terrible, simply terrible. I mean, how is she supposed to breath under water? Won't she be cold??

Can anyone say detail freak? detailoholic? detail overloading.......freak?

:D

you're so good it makes me want to puke!

It's looking great Clint. Is there a concern that you might lose some of this great detail when you start painting?

Any ideas on what you'll have in the background? I guess there's not enough time to create a detail bg is there?

Keep it up dude. Your work is inspiring!

God Bless,
George

SavageCreature
05-01-2005, 05:58 AM
PoshspiceWhat gorgeous pencil work Clint! :bounce: How are you going to go about colouring?

First, thank you! I'm flattered. In answer to question, very carefully, and hopefully very quickly, as we've only got two and half weeks left. Work is finally on the verge of letting up a little bit so I can dedicate more time to this, so I'm hoping to start coloring right away. More updates coming this weekend (tomorrow).
c

Samuraikuroi
05-01-2005, 07:07 AM
Dude! Your drawings are sweet! Can't wait to see some colors. Details are awesome! :thumbsup:








Master & servant (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=226306&page=1&pp=15)

SavageCreature
05-01-2005, 10:15 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114938918_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1114938918_large.jpg)


The primary reason I developed the creature to this level of detail, I think, was because I was concerned that I would be unable to make it look the way I had it envisioned, partially because the picture I had in my mind wasnít entirely clear. Now that Iíve worked it all out and am reasonably happy with how the leviathan looks, I think Iíd darn well better stop messing around with the black and white and get started on coloring, as Iím running rather short on time. I wonít want to shade the woman in black and white, anyway, because it would all get lost as soon as I added the skin tones. Iíll just have to develop the rest of it as I go, if there are any other elements that need to be added to the composition.

arLutiK
05-01-2005, 10:39 AM
Clint, very but very nice detail you did on your creature, I'm looking foreward of seeing you final entry, great work :thumbsup:

tilite
05-01-2005, 01:29 PM
spectacular... i dont know how i thought i found all the good stuff... but i hvnt even seen ur work before. well problem solved im subscribed now... hehe

dont have time to read ur concepts but they look EXTREEMLY interesting :thumbs: and excellent hand drawing skills... superb... love it... ok ill stop now.. cya soon.. "ill be back"

SavageCreature
05-01-2005, 05:11 PM
Gregeon: No puking, please! Guilty as charged re: detail freak. Yes, I'm a little concerned I'll lose some detail while I'm applying color, but I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm hoping I can maintain most of it. I think if I put in too complex of a background the image will become cluttered because of the level of detail in the foreground, so I'll keep it simple in any case. I haven't quite decided, however, what exactly I'm going to do with it. Thanks , everyone, for the generous compliments!

cabertevon
05-06-2005, 02:48 PM
Hats off...Awesome detail!!!

SavageCreature
05-09-2005, 01:17 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115597846_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115597846_large.jpg)

Well . . . *sigh* . . . I havenít given up yet. Iíve been working on painting the woman while I decide what to do with the leviathan (color wise). Iím getting a bit concerned that thereís too much detail all around and that maybe the characters get lost because you canít see them clearly. Particularly the woman. I donít know how clearly you can see, but Iíve got her mechanical enhancements sketched in as well, and Iíll be painting them later this evening. Feedback would be very much so appreciated, though I donít know how much time Iíve really got to change things much. I might just have to forge ahead in the direction Iím going, now, if I want to be able to finish in the next week.

Nox
05-09-2005, 03:40 AM
looking good man, my only question is what's the final thing going to be like.

SavageCreature
05-09-2005, 06:39 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115617190_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115617190_large.jpg)

Still not quite finished, but I thought I'd post a close up so you can see all my hard work (and my mistakes!) a little better. Almost done with the woman, then I'll move back to the leviathan. Getting awful close to the deadline

Gord-MacDonald
05-09-2005, 07:37 AM
My first visit here. Very good illustration/drawing! Good luck


Gord

ms@zx
05-10-2005, 11:19 AM
what the~~!! u sure have great patient in doing those textures with pencil.the details are overwhelming.i'm definitely gonna stay tune on this one.anticipating to see some color rendering for the overall piece.http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Grgeon
05-10-2005, 06:06 PM
It's looking great dude! The woman is looking very good. I really like the expression on her face... it's subtle, yet there seems to be a lot going on there...its weird! Can't get over it!


Ok, i'm over it :)

The glutes and the leg part that runs through the back of the knee looks odd to me. Knowing you, i'm sure it's accurate, but it might be more appealing to make it more curvy? :shrug:

Choice of color for the breathing mechanism and fins is spot on!

George

ogar555
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
What the hell? how come there ain't more people posting on your thread? :surprised the pics are great! :scream: i acutally think i even have to subscribe to this one! oh btw, it looks good, but i think the left (viewers left) eye is a tad strange... ooh, have you thought about a background yet?

SavageCreature
05-11-2005, 12:52 AM
ogar555, thank you for the supportive comments. I was starting to wonder if I had bad breath, myself. (I brush every day, honest!) Not many folks stoppin by. The background will probably be fairly simple since I wanted to focus on the characters and I'm also running out of time. That's the great thing about underwater scenes. Deep water is fairly plain. :D


George, good call on the back of the leg. It'll be more curvy in the next version.:applause:


ms@zx and gordonm, thanks for stopping by and the encouraging words. They are a great inspiration.

Updated image coming very soon.
c

SavageCreature
05-11-2005, 02:59 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115819965_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115819965_large.jpg)

This was a quick lighting test I did to see how workable my lighting and background idea would be. Thereíre a number of things wrong with the test, but I think the basic idea works. The light source shouldnít be beneath the surface of the water, firstly, and having it above the surface will change the nature of the light a bit. Also thereíll be visible particulate matter suspended throughout and other volumetric properties of the water itself, but as this is a ďwork in progressĒ challenge, I thought Iíd throw this out there so folks could see what I was thinking and where I might be headed. Oh yes, and there won't be a lens flare. I just used the lens flare filter to create the blown out look I was trying for in the light source, but I won't use it in the final version. Lens flare = tacky.

Fish-KAart
05-12-2005, 06:28 PM
Very interesting work! Оч нра!! :)

SavageCreature
05-12-2005, 07:00 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115920823_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1115920823_large.jpg)

Well, here goes the color on the leviathan. He's now got a healthy layer of algae growing on him and I've started to paint in some of the green highlights and shadows. I'll probably erase out some places to show the scale color underneath, but for now I'm just trying to get the algae to look the way I want it.

ogar555
05-12-2005, 07:24 PM
Lookin good! you sure you ain't gonna paint a foggy reef far, deep down?

Grgeon
05-12-2005, 10:43 PM
Caustics, you gotta have Caustics! :D

AlyFell
05-12-2005, 10:57 PM
The lighting looks like it's going to work real well Clint. You do what I do, and play with it before deciding on a final version. Get an idea, and then render it up properly later. Lens flares are really tempting, because they can look good, but everyone knows about that little evil filter now. :) One thing, the arms on the leviathan, are they meant to be humanoid, because if thats a thumb with the palm upwards, then I think it should be on the inside... or am I reading it wrong?

Belhaven
05-12-2005, 10:58 PM
cool image... very sexual. i like the texture on the back of the croc, but i think your image would be easier to read if the direction of the two were a bit more defined. what i mean is that they look like they are laying down on the floor, instead of swimming downwards... know what i mean? love the texture. you can really really feel the skin. cool!

JFlores
05-12-2005, 11:59 PM
Magnificent job Clint!

SavageCreature
05-13-2005, 12:01 AM
*gasp* People came to my thread!! Thank you than you thank you.

Grgoen, Ogar555, thanks for stopping by again. I was gettin lonely! We'll see if I've got time for anything in the background after I've got everything else done. The reef has some interesting possibilities.

Fish-KAart, спасибо!

Poshpsice, those are actually his legs. He doesn't have any arms at all. (other people have been confused about this as well, which implies I didn't do so well with my creature design :shrug: ) The strangeness with the "thumbs" was intentional. He's a fully aquatic critter who's got no use for opposable digits, so they're not really thumbs and I thought putting them on the wrong side would give him an alien appearance that would cause people to pause and say, "Hey, wait a minute". Sort of like giving a creature all the elements of a face but not putting on any eyes or putting the mouth on the forehead. Some of my designs and ideas work better than others, I guess. I just really didn't want it to look like too much like a crocodile :)

Belhaven. I'm hoping that "placing" them in the water will give the image more depth. Thanks for the feedback!

Samuraikuroi
05-14-2005, 02:46 AM
Beautiful works! Can't wait to see the finish on this one Clint. love your pencils. Hope to see alot more of your works in the future! :thumbsup:



Master & servant (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=226306&page=1&pp=15)

calisto-lynn
05-15-2005, 06:19 PM
nice details on the leviathan! the girl is beautifull!:)

SavageCreature
05-16-2005, 06:44 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116222257_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116222257_large.jpg)

Okay . . . the color is "done" for the woman and her friend. There are a great many things I would really like to refine more, but I simply don't have time. (It's like being at work at home!) I may darken some shadows and such once the lighting is done to get closer to the look I wanted, but basically this is it. Thanks again to everyone for your continued support! Now for the final push to get it in before deadline!

arLutiK
05-16-2005, 07:12 AM
Wow Clint, the skin of your creature is simply stunning. Cool concept, are you going to fill the white or leave it like that.

LexLe
05-16-2005, 04:10 PM
Your work has very much liked!
So to hold!
Successes!

SavageCreature
05-17-2005, 04:31 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116343894_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116343894_large.jpg)

Well, this is it, or at least pretty darn close. I may play with some bubbles or some distant background objects. Final image soon!

Jezzarts
05-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Hey there, another underwater scene! Nice use of textures. Definately has a serene feel to it... some bubbles would look cool. Congrats :)

arkinet
05-17-2005, 04:44 PM
yeah, very serene yet somethng sinister is lurking hehehe... great work & hurry up pls.:)

SavageCreature
05-18-2005, 03:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116425796_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5688/5688_1116425796_large.jpg)

Well, here it is, final image! Like so many others, I wasnít sure Iíd get here.
Thank you, everyone, for all your support and encouragement.

I donít think too much of an explanation or description of whatís going on is appropriate. If Iíve done the image correctly, the story should be in the picture. But I thought, since everyone else has been doing it, Iíd make a couple of comments:
The relationship between master and servant is not always a negative one. There is great honor in many types of service, and an individual can become part of something larger than themselves by surrendering their lives to the needs of something greater. Often they find personal rewards they had never conceived of, through service, and the benefits to them seem to outweigh their efforts to serve.
I tried to convey that sort of heart felt participation and emotional commitment between my Deep-Dweller and her Leviathan. They are each otherís only companions, life long partners. Their contact with the surface world is infrequent and brief, only when she requires maintenance or repair on the technology that sustains her body against the harshness of open water.
*chuckle* Thatís already more than I intended to say, so Iíll wrap it up. This has been a great deal of fun. Good luck everybody!

ChrisThatGuy
05-18-2005, 09:18 PM
Looks good. I like the creature design.

theuni
05-21-2005, 07:32 PM
Hi,

really nice underwater mood you created in your painting... really like it :thumbsup: :applause:

xric7
05-21-2005, 07:35 PM
realy exellent!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: love ur pose a lot.beautiful character and ambiance.:thumbsup:
congrats on ur finish and good luck to u.
cheers.:buttrock:

calisto-lynn
11-25-2005, 08:03 PM
this looks so gentle and beautifull. i love the way it turned out.:love:

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