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peterpop88
03-22-2005, 01:11 AM
myles lawford has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5683)

Latest Update: Coloring WIP: getting there... s.l.o.w.l.y
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1113168149_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1113168149_large.jpg)

Damn this is harder than I thought... Still perseverance will pay off in the end... Just got to work out how to do skin tones, field of depth, and correct lighting... ONLY. still 32 days to go.

peterpop88
03-22-2005, 05:18 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1111472302_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1111472302_large.jpg)

Alright got the ball rolling, this is my basic concept sketch. I like the idea of a queen and her general, then I would like the relationship between the queens advisors and her, and then the relationship between the generals second-in-command and him. This is basic idea at the momment the true relationships will unfold later, whether the advisors are jealous of the admiration the queen gives her triumphant general or whether the second-in-command is weary of the queens evil. Which I intend her to be.

Anyway that's it for now. more later.

badbreff
03-22-2005, 05:33 AM
Great work so far. When I first saw the image I thought more along the lines of a Queen to her General, from the General to a second in command. I don't see any advisors or anyone else but a couple guards though, maybe I missed something?

Shaykai
03-22-2005, 08:14 AM
Wow i love the style and camera angle in you're sketch. I also enjoy the color's you've chosen, i'll be watching this thread.

Shaykai

kalemna
03-22-2005, 10:04 AM
welcome on this new challenge, yééé it's a good start:)

peterpop88
03-22-2005, 08:09 PM
Great work so far. When I first saw the image I thought more along the lines of a Queen to her General, from the General to a second in command. I don't see any advisors or anyone else but a couple guards though, maybe I missed something?

Well yes you did miss something... but it's not obvious so I can understand that you did. Standing next to the throne are two hooded gentlemen. As I develop this further they will become more prominent or fade back further into the background depending on the approach I want to take. Still not sure on the setting... time to get sketching again.

peterpop88
03-23-2005, 05:38 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1111559928_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1111559928_large.jpg)

had another look at it and I believe this new image is better because not only can I alter the relationships between the characters by simple change of positions and facial expressions, but this time you get the sensation from the servants perspective.

artjunkie
03-28-2005, 11:25 AM
very nice alternate composition... it's definately more dramatic. interesting vibe going on between the secondary characters. love to hear more of the backstory to this concept.

looking forward to seeing more updates! Good luck!

Cheers,

peterpop88
03-28-2005, 08:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112044906_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112044906_large.jpg)

I'm not happy with the composition so I'm playing with options, this one doesn't really focus on many of characters... back to the drawing board.

peterpop88
03-29-2005, 04:03 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112072581_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112072581_large.jpg)

tried to get closer to the characters so I can add personality to the characters... still too far away from the queen though

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 06:09 AM
OMG I cant beleive this didnt get more responces ! This is one of the best entries I have seen! Man I love everything about this concept. It's easy to understand and the coloring great. Cant wait to see how this develops! You got a new fan in me !:thumbsup:

Ilikesoup
03-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Actually, I like post #9 the best. It's got the strongest mood. I think the body language of the generals gives enough information about their trust/mistrust of the queen so you might not need to see their faces. It might help if you showed one man in a cloak leading them into the chamber for an audience with the queen, and that way you have different levels of "security" including the panther -- she doesn't trust her own people. As a final layer you could have two men in the extreme foreground whispering to each other.

In your latest post the men in the foreground look more like ambassadors from another kingdom, so I think the master/servant relationship isn't clear enough.

Nice work so far. Good luck!

sloth79
03-29-2005, 03:39 PM
i like #7 the best, it really portrays the power of the queen, while the submissive generals all bowed with heads low. great sketches man!

peterpop88
03-29-2005, 08:02 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112130124_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112130124_large.jpg)

mixing all the concepts up I've come up with this layout. chances are I'll shift some of the characters around, chance facial expressions etc, but I'll be sticking with this one.

thanks for the comments... I always like hearing them, a little constructive criticism goes along way.

Now it's time for the final line art and colour. I'm going to need all of this month to get something worth while to submit

walrus
03-29-2005, 08:44 PM
Of all the ones you've been working on, I like this layout most of all. The light source is great, and really guides the eye. And the offering of the sword is a great symbolic gesture, works really well for "servant." The only thing to watch out for is the sword being lost among the starts and the top of the platform. There are a number of things you could do to help it read better, including breaking it from being exactly in line with the steps, and maybe cheating it so that we see more of the broad, flat side of the sword and less of the edge. Good luck with it!

-mike

CoreyArtE
03-29-2005, 08:46 PM
You are my enemy from now on! GRrrrrr I love your composition makes mine look like crap! LOL... keep it up man you keep inspiring me to take it to the next level!

Cerebr4l
03-29-2005, 08:57 PM
Looking good :thumbsup: I'd have to say that I like 10 the best. Obviously the last one has nicer looking chars but I'm not digging the perspective, that's just my opinion though. I like the lighting of 9 alot. Anyway, have fun, its looking very nice.

peterpop88
03-29-2005, 10:59 PM
Walrus - Cheers buddy that's the kind of help I was looking for... Once I add the colour and adjust the shadows, I'll add highlights to the sword to help it stand out.

CoreyArtE - If my composition inspires you, your technical ability to paint inspires me... I think that's what's so good about this comp. Even if you don't walk away from it winning anything, with all the help and guidance you get you at least improve along the way.

paulwdavidson
03-31-2005, 04:06 PM
This has the potential to be a striking image, with the dramatic content.


Be very careful with your composition at the moment (I believe it still needs work before you go to final lineart) You've twisted the camera to the left too much, and therefore your image is starting to slide off the left side of the page. You can still have the dramatic twist in the shot (I would make it a little bit more subtle) and then switch the foreground characters with the guy with the staff on the left to give the shot more balance, with the queen looking from left to right.

I think with these minor changes it would solve the problem it has at the moment.

I loved the hooded men's impact in no.7, it seemed they were there to enforce her word.

Looking cool.

Keep it up.

Paul

peterpop88
04-05-2005, 05:41 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112679683_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112679683_large.jpg)

Alright I'm ready for colour and not a minute to late either, with under a month to go this is gonna be tight. The basics are there but subtle things are likely to change as the colours are applied.

Any
comments?

peterpop88
04-06-2005, 07:13 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112771632_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1112771632_large.jpg)

Time to start adding in some simple colours to define the lighting etc.

peterpop88
04-10-2005, 09:22 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1113168149_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5683/5683_1113168149_large.jpg)

Damn this is harder than I thought... Still perseverance will pay off in the end... Just got to work out how to do skin tones, field of depth, and correct lighting... ONLY. still 32 days to go.

Slav
04-10-2005, 09:25 PM
looking good really cant say much at this point. just keep up with the updates!

marcheen
04-10-2005, 09:33 PM
nice image you have here. interesting angle. and it does look like hard job hehe. you have skills. i'll be checking to see it develope. good luck!

sgw
04-10-2005, 10:04 PM
awsome start man. This one is looking like a fun piece

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