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Ichthus
03-22-2005, 12:25 AM
Jonathan Joseph Kui has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5669)

Latest Update: Line Art: Siren
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1112129018_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1112129018_large.jpg)

Can this be a lineart milestone? well I really like this idea. Im running this by you guys to see if there can be any improvements done on it. which im sure there are alot. Anyways the siren is suposed to be seducing the sailors with her song. And the ships sinking because the sirens song was stronger than the wax they put in their ears. Well the one in the middle is tied up to be able to listen to the sirens song like in the Odyssey except this one crashes. Does it look like its sinking??

Ichthus
03-22-2005, 02:46 PM
Hi guys, really excited to be joining this one. The goal is to at least finish my entry this time. Its great seeing alot of the guys I admire in the contest, hope I can live up to their standards.

Anyways heres what Im thinking, probably something along the lines of being a slave to your desires/dreams, and being a slave to money. Hopefully I can come up with some sketches soon.

MDN67
03-22-2005, 02:54 PM
welcome jonathan and good luck:thumbsup:

Ichthus
03-23-2005, 01:12 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111543922_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111543922_large.jpg)

Heres my first couple of concept sketch.
Ok
on the one in the left:
Its supposed to represent the slave for desire. the guy behind her is supposed to be the personification of desire. I was thinking to have the guy slowly phase out.
right:
this one is being a slave to money, the girl is supposed to sit on a golden throne, shackled with giant diamond bracelets, mounds of gems and money in the background. and the man on top is King Midas, the ultimate slave of money.

What do you guys think?

Ichthus
03-23-2005, 03:11 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111594307_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111594307_large.jpg)

I'm guessing from the silence that the concepts i submitted werent any good. So how about these ones. theyre both on being enslaved to money. I dont have a particular favourite but for some reason i have a tough time shaking the image of the girls sitting on the throne.

Thanks in advance.

coCoKNIght
03-23-2005, 03:25 PM
Hey, I was also considering to make a sketch with the money topic... ah well... I like where this is going and I like those creatures :D

Ichthus
03-23-2005, 04:31 PM
sorry, didnt mean to steal another persons idea. As for the creaturs, I really wanted somekind of evil element in the work, I had decided that i wanted to make the girl alluring, I mean if you were enslaved by money, I dont think you'd be sad at all. You probably wouldnt even know it.

Coco - Im just curious, and you dont have to answer if you dont want, but what kind of ideas do you have for the money thing?

NOOB!
03-23-2005, 04:32 PM
looking gud!!

coCoKNIght
03-23-2005, 07:09 PM
Well, actually I had already decided not to go for the money thing...
The idea was simple: A fat ugly guy with golden teeth somoking a cigarre and laughing madly at the workers... or something like that.

DyslexicDan
03-23-2005, 08:38 PM
I'm guessing from the silence that the concepts i submitted werent any good. So how about these ones. theyre both on being enslaved to money. I dont have a particular favourite but for some reason i have a tough time shaking the image of the girls sitting on the throne.

Thanks in advance.

Donít worry to much about things being quite. Iím not getting a lot traffic either. It seems people are ogling over a select few of the pros and community members who have been around a long time. I guess there is a hand full of us who have to go underdog on this challenge. Iím sure things will get better when we get a week or two into the challenge and those artist who are active will start getting more attention.

Ichthus
03-24-2005, 12:42 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111628531_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111628531_large.jpg)

Just colored it to get a feel of the concept. not sure if I really like the colors. Ill play around some more, what do you guys think?

OKMER
03-24-2005, 12:51 AM
Hey there,It's still quit the beginning ,so can't really give some positive feedback there.The colors are really contrasting,but if you'll work them out,this could be nice.it all depens of how youll work it out i think.
The creatures got a tiny little bit a darkness feeling.
Maybe try to work your characters more out before putting them in a scene.
Good luck to you mate!!!

Ichthus
03-25-2005, 06:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111778504_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111778504_large.jpg)

Some varitaions on the little guys. I like the head of the third one, but i really want to get rid of its jaw like in the 2nd one. going to work on it somemore. what do you guys think?

Ichthus
03-27-2005, 02:40 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111894821_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111894821_large.jpg)

Ok, this was born out of a doodle. So pls forgive the missing piece of the rock since there wasnt anymore room. Im thinking its how man is chained to sin, as represented by the shackles and the giant snake. Also kinda like the punishment of Loki. what do you guys think?

Ichthus
03-27-2005, 11:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111970997_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1111970997_large.jpg)

I really like this one. I dont really know if it fits with the whole master and servant theme, but hopefully with a few changes here and there itll fit right in. Thought that Id post it and run it by you guys. What do you guys think?

Personally I think the composition could use alot of work, and i want to play with the expression of the sirens to more dangerous than oblivious.

Ichthus
03-29-2005, 07:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1112129018_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/5669/5669_1112129018_large.jpg)

Can this be a lineart milestone? well I really like this idea. Im running this by you guys to see if there can be any improvements done on it. which im sure there are alot. Anyways the siren is suposed to be seducing the sailors with her song. And the ships sinking because the sirens song was stronger than the wax they put in their ears. Well the one in the middle is tied up to be able to listen to the sirens song like in the Odyssey except this one crashes. Does it look like its sinking??

TheFirstAngel
03-30-2005, 02:30 AM
Hi Jon,
First, i just came to see what you do.

Off Topic, i have to make a little statement wich i discussed with a bud just a few nights ago.
Its ok to tell someone his work is good. but treads filled with aaah's and ooooh's serve noone much. also, a sideffect of the fanboybehaviour is to let more unexpirienced artists treads unanswered. thats poor.
I think, we're all here to learn. If you look at someone's work, at least add a comment, and if you like a work, add a constructive crit.

in this manner, i try to give you a few thoughts i made, having a look at your work.

Concepts: Money, the direction the slavery to money, symbolised with chains, i'd expected a material girl. also, you could have worked on the trone, even if just thumbnailing or scribbeling.
just work out details, concepts are propably the most creative part of an artwork. Make yourself a list of thoughts, try to find the best possible way to illustrate the single pionts. my desk is filled with towers of paper at the moment... i feel like you're hastingly rush trough this phase, take your time mate :)
I like the little guys you created a lot. you took yourself time to work out a conceptpart and it looks very fine. THey are nasty fun and cool. and well explored.
Give the love and attention you gave em to every detail in your composition.

The Loki part is a bit unclear what the master is. the explaination makes it clear, but i think, it doesnt deal enough with the topic itself.

I like the silence and way you done the 1st sirens piece. a lot of empty space, reminds me dali, the sea, a bit of melancholy. And a wide horizon, cruzified (tied up) men... i really liked that sketch.

Line art: foreground scene is a good move. to have the actors here the story focusses at, helps the eye. i don't like the deck too much, its a big plane, wich means, dark wood with not many possebileties to break up the very heavy weight of it. also, its unclear what the 2 men in the background have to do with the story you tell, they could also be on a stairway in a shoppincenter the way they appear.
lineart is the base for the upcoming painting, and i think the composition before has a lot more potential. try to merge the scenary. find a satisfying base to go.
dont overhaste, just explore, take your time.

Hope those points give you an input to put your efforts into bringing up your best. I'll check back here recently and watch your progress, so keep on going!

wish you loadsa fun and best luck
cheers :thumbsup: :wip: :beer:

Ichthus
03-30-2005, 02:37 AM
Thanks your comments help alot. I just started on doing things like these so im really lost at how to go about it. Ive been mostly doing still life and doodling, until now. I tried to finish the last challenge but that failed. Havent had alot of time to do this since its almost finals, and my majoring in econ is really riding on this sems final but im determined to finish this challenge. Anyways, thanks alot, Ill definitely put more time into this from now on.

TheFirstAngel
05-21-2005, 08:51 PM
well i hope it was a good expirience for you at least and i can tell you went trough a great progress, it's a pitty you had to give up that work and i hope you move it over to the WIP section to finnish it there. if you do som notify me so i can follow your work. gotta finnish a few works too, so we see us there, keep in touch mate! c ya soon,
cheers:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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