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ScottageCheese
03-20-2005, 05:28 PM
OK, I'm in...

Won't have time for scientifically accurate stuff. I'm just going to eye it, and hope I can get at least the Visual Effects award, for my comps.

Planning on just a Saturn 5 launch, maybe a re-entry, and I would really like to try and Splash down... but again, all time permitting.

ScottageCheese
03-20-2005, 05:43 PM
Heres my matte painting for the Second shot I plan on doing. A helicopter filming of a launch. And I'm aware they wouldnt allow aircraft in the area when it launches...

This is already camera projected on a nurbs plane, so I can add some pitch or pivoting to the camera. Going to add a vertical pan and follow the rocket up.

Plate on the left is orignal. On the right, extended the sky, added a curve to the horizon (I know its a little much, but, I think it helps feel the hieght of the camera) Also painted out the Saturn 5 rocket, and the cars.

Working on the smoke sim already. Shading that is going to be a bitch! I've never done very volumetric smoke before.

http://www.scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/plate_001.jpg

Daniel-B
03-20-2005, 07:44 PM
That. Is. Awesome.

ScottageCheese
03-20-2005, 09:00 PM
haha thanks PixelMagic

this will be my mask, for a reflection pass on the water surfaces, should help bring this still to life...

http://www.scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/cloud_mask.jpg

Daniel-B
03-20-2005, 11:11 PM
Good idea. May I ask where you found that image? I might like to use it as well.

tdamcbigity
03-21-2005, 09:12 AM
That's great! Dynamic helicopter shots always increase the opportunity for Visual Effects awards, right? What resolution is the matte painting? (Just out of curiosity)

ScottageCheese
03-21-2005, 01:38 PM
tdamcbigity, 1154 tall x 1024 wide...

not nearly as close as I would like it to be, but hey, that's what you get for downloading a picture off a website.

ScottageCheese
03-23-2005, 01:40 AM
Ok, since I was so intimated by the other smoke sims some of you guys are doing, I thought I would get my layout, and rough animation plate done.

http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/layout.jpg





http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/layout.avi (600k)


I used a still, extended the horizon and sky in Photoshop, then camera mapped the image, so I had some room for a camera move. And made a cloud reflection pass on the water, damn compression, may not see it...

Tower, pad, and Rocket are not even textured or lit yet. And the smoke will be the last thing I do.

The shot prior to this, which I hope I have time for, will be the initial launch, and rising of the rocket, timing looks fast in this, but the shot before will show it starting to rise.

admiraligor
03-23-2005, 01:42 AM
looking good! can I suggest one thing? make it a night scene, night launches are ALWAYS more dramatic and beautiful :) Also helps when it comes down to lighting. Just like 20 or so spot lights and you're set :) Most of which are just for spot illumination of the launch vehicle.

ScottageCheese
03-23-2005, 01:52 AM
Yeah Admiral, thought about it, but then I remind myself, that I've already come this far on this one... and A night time shot would require more difficult smoke pass, with the light illuminating the inside, also, other lights, would be cool to see a bunch of headlights in the distance from cars park on the outskirts... but anyways...

Sorry, not gonna happen, I have too much to do, can't go back...

admiraligor
03-23-2005, 02:24 AM
yea, I understand that very well - I had to rebuild my designs like 4 times until I came up with one I actually liked. And if this one is the one you think will best suit you, well then power to ya :) One thing to keep in mind, when the liftoff occures, the rocket is slow, but gradually gains speed, the one you've got now seems to have a very constant speed.

ScottageCheese
03-23-2005, 02:35 PM
Yeah I see what you mean by the speed... I got time to change it...

so here would be my shot_003.... a shot of a camera trying to track the rocket... (ONLY IN LAYOUT STAGE AT THIS POINT) just trying to get camera and timing right... NO FX yet.... or even a textured and lit rocket...

http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/layout_003.jpg


I'm going for that grainy, blurred, zoomed in feel... I need to add those 2 black vertical and horizontal lines the cameras had back then.


http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/layout_003.avi (400k)

And once I get the composite going, I'll scrap the "Anime" sidescroll clouds, and add patches and pockets of cloud.

admiraligor
03-23-2005, 05:07 PM
The camera movements you've done are great. Did you do the camera's "shake" in post?

ScottageCheese
03-23-2005, 08:30 PM
Yeah... I'll render everything with a static camera, and then add 2 camera shake nodes in Shake... One with a low frequency and a high amplitude, and the second, a high freq with a low amp.... to help give it that hand held feel...

I like doing stuff this way, cuz i do a lot of roto in post, and it helps if stuff is static, and i can add cam movement later.... saves a lot of time... for fixes....

ScottageCheese
03-24-2005, 03:04 PM
Ok, worked on this one a little more last night, Gonna put it aside, and add all the "icing" later. Maybe spend more time on the fall off of the flame... maybe add a cloud or two in the foreground that it lit by the rocket....

http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/Shot_003.jpg


I toned down the grain a bit, it felt like i was cheating, trying to distract the viewer from my mistakes... hahaha

heres the animation...

http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/Shot_003.avi (500k)

So this is shot_003... time to start 001....

Socr8s
03-24-2005, 03:23 PM
Looking good. You gonna have any kind of space shot? HAHA.....send me an angel! But no, seriously.....I know of this cool aluminum shader you could use on a lot of stuff.

Paul F Diaz
03-24-2005, 03:40 PM
DAM!Thats looking sweet,love the camera man!!
Keep Going!!

admiraligor
03-24-2005, 04:37 PM
that looks insanely good! I'm impressed :)

ACamacho
03-24-2005, 05:18 PM
Hey guys,

I don't have any screenshots to post (work is at home), but wanted to say that I am helping scott with the moon landing shots. He's working in Maya but the moon stuff will be done in Max. Will post some stuff asap.

peace,

Angel

admiraligor
03-24-2005, 06:48 PM
LONG LIVE MAX!! *falls over and starts to spasm*

rquinn
03-24-2005, 10:14 PM
nice matte

chrisJ
03-25-2005, 02:57 AM
Ok Ok OK! I'll start on the seperation shot. ummm, this weekend that is.

I'm working with Scott and Angel also.

ACamacho
03-25-2005, 11:51 AM
the seperation shot will be awesome!

I started this morning on doing moon surface tests and the outer space shot. Nothing exciting yet like the rocket shots but hopefully will get alot more done this weekend. Just straight renders from the oven.

http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/test%20moon%20displace.jpg
http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/test%20moon_space.jpg

ACantarel
03-25-2005, 02:43 PM
shot_003 looks very nice. But try to desaturate the sky a bit, itīs too bluish.

I canīt wait to see the final!

André

ScottageCheese
03-25-2005, 02:45 PM
agreed Andre'

ScottageCheese
03-26-2005, 07:59 PM
Ok, some more camera layout I found time for...

Most of the moon/lunar shots will be done by my man Angel (ACamacho)...

http://scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/lunar_001.jpg


http://www.scottagecheese.com/images/fxwars/moon/lunar_layout.avi (3.15 megs)

The camera movement really makes the "Eagle" lander look like its moving fast.... I might tone it down later, once we get our first test render.

And I know the legs on the lander aren't extended yet... (hence layout)

shivmoo
03-26-2005, 09:05 PM
all i got in the animation was some sqauriness at the top.... but the still is looking good..
earth seems a little naked tho... maybe adding clouds might help (you probably already thought of that)
and the stars look flat and the sky is empty...
your detail is nice...
its looking good :)

ACamacho
03-28-2005, 08:30 PM
I remade the shader in Maya because of time and because of scott's kick-ass animatic. Sooo....by the end of the week I should have some animation and actual lighting. There's going to be actual rock geometry on the ground to break it up and more craters. Plus the stars, lunar lander, dust, etc. :-)


http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/test1.jpg
http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/test2.jpg
http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/test3.jpg

admiraligor
03-28-2005, 09:47 PM
wow man! impressive! Might I ask how you went about getting/making those surface textures?

ScottageCheese
03-28-2005, 11:06 PM
ALRIGHT ANGEL!

Lookin' good broseph!

yeah man, this is gonna be tiz'ight!

chrisJ
03-30-2005, 09:06 PM
Ok, here is a preliminary of the Saturn V seperation. no FX added yet and still needs the engines above. The inside is orange because of fire that will be added later.

http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/RENDER_A.jpg

3dkahuna
03-31-2005, 10:44 PM
Looking good gentleman now Git-R-Done

jasonkey
04-25-2005, 09:58 PM
here is a sample of the smoke we'll use for a couple of the launch shots. the smoke rolls inward and roils and evolves over time.

i'm working with Scottage , ChrisJ, and Camacho on this.

ScottageCheese
04-26-2005, 07:53 PM
So, yeah...

Just posting to say I'm withdrawing from this MoonShot goodness. I just picked up a job in Manhattan NY and I won't be around to finish.

ChrisJ, ACamacho, and Jasonkey are going to finish it up. But i had a great time working on the first 3 shots, and loved working on the edit... But, maybe I'll be available for the next FXwars. Even though I have a bad reputation for never finishing these, I have fun, and learn a lot as I go.

Good Luck to all!

jasonkey
05-02-2005, 03:33 PM
I was reading the rules and I guess we need to have a team name and banner, so here it is:

FX RUSH

chrisJ
05-02-2005, 04:08 PM
Well, guys, that was a blast. he he he. no pun intended.

We finished just in the nick of time. hope you all enjoy!
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=220883&page=3&pp=15

ACamacho
05-02-2005, 04:13 PM
Was a very fun project...as with every project it could always be better but I am proud of what we did. I'm lucky to work with these guys!:thumbsup:


goes back to work...

RobertoOrtiz
05-02-2005, 07:49 PM
The voting thread will be posted on the weekend....

(May 8, Sunday night)
la la looking away.

-R

ACamacho
05-07-2005, 10:51 PM
I posted in the Official thread but I thought I'd post here too. I edited the movie with better shots than the rushed one earlier. Hope you like!

http://www.angelcamacho-torres.com/files/cgtalk/fxrush_fxwars(320x240).mov

-Angel

jasonkey
05-08-2005, 06:51 PM
looks great Angel. thanks for putting in the OT to tighten this thing up for us.

- Jason

tdamcbigity
05-09-2005, 07:22 PM
It turned out really good guys. Nice work. I hope to see a car crash WIP here soon... well, yeah... I'm still learning the ropes, otherwise I'd volunteer to help out.

Congrats again!

saturen3
05-10-2005, 12:30 PM
Nice work in my opinion.......Specialy Editing..

ScottageCheese
05-10-2005, 01:06 PM
Hey Guys, thanks for the comments and voting. Again, This wouldnt have been posted without Chris, Angel, or Jason. I dipped out of Atlanta, and moved to New York the last week of the FXwars, and... Those 3 guys pulled it off, and picked up my slack, thanks guys... It really came out kick ass!


Scottage, out!

ACamacho
05-10-2005, 01:16 PM
Hey dude,

It was mainly your editing skillz that pulled it together. And our friend Sagan :)

chrisJ
05-10-2005, 03:57 PM
If you want to make a moonshot edit from scratch, you must first invent the universe....

Thanks for the comments guys!
Sagan would be proud.

RobertoOrtiz
05-11-2005, 05:59 PM
Congrats on a well deserved win!


http://66.242.144.2/cupFX.gif

-R

ScottageCheese
05-11-2005, 06:54 PM
WOW... thats a big award avatar ay!?... haha j/k

I had fun... I'm already RnD'ing the car crash... haha

ACamacho
05-11-2005, 07:37 PM
Woohoo! :) That is a pretty big trophy... as his head inflates.

balistic
05-11-2005, 07:51 PM
Congrats guys!

dubbilan
05-12-2005, 12:34 AM
Congrats on winning! There weren't any real doubt in my mind that you would, it was a freaking nice view :)

jigu
05-12-2005, 03:06 AM
congrats guys!!
u did short and good animation.!!:thumbsup:

th3ta
05-12-2005, 10:24 PM
congrats guys - looks like the guys at fathom really do know waht they're doing :)

jasonkey
05-13-2005, 05:43 AM
gotta give credit to balistic (http://www.cgtalk.com/member.php?u=388) for the chromatic aberration idea on the lander shot. and to angel for implementing it.

we showed some detailed breakdowns at the Alias user group meeting here in Atlanta tonight and everyone seemed to enjoy it.

ScottageCheese
05-13-2005, 01:07 PM
congrats guys - looks like the guys at fathom really do know waht they're doing :)

HAHAHAHAA... and people wonder why Delgo isnt finished yet... hahaha...

Cool Key, I hope it went well... maybe one of these days I'll do a video conference for a Usergroup Meeting... *pushes up his glasses*... That would be Scchweet!

chrisJ
05-15-2005, 05:42 PM
where's my "tee hee hee" emoticon

PaxtonGerrish
05-26-2005, 06:37 AM
NICE!:bounce:

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