the purpose of the forum is to help others

[rushi]

ya moshi,

i also feel so, i m new to cgtalk , i asked some question foe first 6 question they didn`t gave any reply & then people started making fun . & i don`t know why , this is the first forum where i feel that , here people don`t care for other`s feeling , in forum we r helping each other , ya i can`t help u because i m not master like other but u should respect other.

i just asked how is our system clock is working & i got very starnge reply. cheak it out in hardwere forum.


i don`t knw what modreters r doing????? i think they r sleeping.

:annoyed:

who cares , if this thing is going to happen new members r not goign to come here.


i don`t know what modreters r going to do???

[LucentDreams]

see now I'm on the other side of the boat, I feel that too many comments on CGtalk are the "wow your the greatest, five stars you are the god or goddess of something or other its the best thing I have ever seen." a prime example would be my WIP thread for my film, not disrespecting anyone there, ut ompared to ay animation nation, the comments I recieved here were all praise and such rather than critiscism, which is what you need to learn and improve. I had someone flat out tel me that that my style limited my acting in my film so the design of my gorilla was a poor design, flat out just likwe that, did I get hurt, no i looked at my gorila, noticed what little acting I had done with him, and realised it was somewhat true, part of the reason tere was little acting is there wasn't much I could do with his face.

People who want criticism will tend to give criticism, people who don't tend to praise others.

I want criticism so I tend to give it, typically I try to offer a compliment, then critique then offer some sort of compliment or inspiration of some sort if I am criticising, but I don't always, thats a flaw I guess, but really if you want to leanr you can expect everyone to say it looks great when there are apparent or obvious problems.

[LucentDreams]

I might also point out to Moshi specifically that expecting replies within three hours on a sunday evening is a little on the rediculous side, I'm downloading your pencil test right now, but remebr most users are north american, where it is 2:43 am on the west coast and 5:43 am on the east coast, so most oif them are not awake. seriosuly wait until monday is underway and then check to see if there are some posts. People are busy and don't necessarily have the time to check CGtalk every three hours every day. (which would have been enough time to miss your post)

[moshi]

Hey Kaiskai,

I totally agree with you about the constant "that's great" but what I have noticed as well is some flat out abuse. I want people to crit, and I want the good and the bad, but I never said in my message that everything should be good. I just said, start with something that is a positive (get of on the right foot) and then go into the negatives.

I also never said that I expected more posts, I am just commenting on the posts already made to myself and others. I understand people are busy and I certainly don't have the time to check this site every three hours. That is not what this post is about.

Negative crits can be made so that they do not become abusive, by saying "The design of the gorilla limits the acting" is heaps better than "Is this a joke? Your Gorilla design sucks and it wreaks the acting".

As you said "People who want criticism will tend to give criticism, people who don't tend to praise others."

I would rather say "People want constructive criticism and should also give it, people who don't want constructive criticism are weird!" :)

Lets just come on here and help each other out, and that means give the good and bad about their work in the most constructive way.

Thanks heaps for discussing.

Michael

[roel]

I'm with you, Kaiskai! Getting critiques is exactly what I came to this forum for!

I've been to other sites where all you ever get is praise. Not surprisingly, no one ever really improved. If that's what you want, fine. But the way I see it, we should call it by its name. I for one do not believe anyone can be helped by hiding the truth. So if a work is good, I'll say it's good. But if it sucks, hey, why should I lie about it?

And, well, if you ask stupid questions, you get stupid answers.

[Alice]

Totaly agree :)

I dont need to bost my ego, i need to get better!
And yes, lately comments have tend to be pretty harsh lately, as soon as someone makes a naked person someone brakes out the comment "oh another blurred photo".
If graphics is a race then the person with the most goodwill wins at the end, not the one who have puttted everyone else down.

Think problem is that threads tend to be wip:s as soon as one gets good critiques. :)

(sorry bout my bad english)

cheers!
/Alice

[jeroentje]

Yes Moshi, I couldn't agree more.

Too bad you checked in yesterday. That irritating discussion is solved and closed. Let's keep it that way.

It is usually very peacefull here in 2D.
peace :love:

jeroentje, your 2D mod

[Kirt]

Yes, I agree things around here lately haven't been their normal constructive and helpful ways. And I feel that is partly my fault ... I apologize for my brutality on a recent discussion.

However, (in my own defense) I feel that constructive criticism is always given for honest efforts. I understand that there are different skill levels on this board, but there is a big difference between beginner learning and misrepresentation. I mean, be honest about your work up front and you'll get honest constructive feedback.

I think most of us here are capable of identifying Photoshop filters/effects when presented to us. I think most of us here are capable of recognizing paint overs. And there is nothing creative or spectacular about either. With the proper user interface tool, I could probably teach my dog to do this type of work. So, if you present these things to the board for honest critique I feel you should also expect to get a brutally honest response.

Sorry if that sounds harsh ... but that's reality. Take a filtered piece or paint over on your next portfolio review and you'll find no different reaction than what's been going on here lately.

Some may think that I've been an ass here lately, and I don't blame them really. But, I think if you review some of my other posts you'll see that I do give constructive feedback to those who are putting the effort into their creativity. I suppose I have little patience for people who consider themselves artists only because they have a piece of $200-$400 software.

My most sincerest of apologies to my fellow community artists and jeroentje (because I know what a pain it is to Mod a board) for my recent outbursts.