Master and Servant Challenge FAQ/Answers/Questions (Update 24 March 2005)

[kerembeyit]

Hi There,

I have a problem with my entry.

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge...challenger=6781 (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=6781)

I've got a notification mail which says my Tiff image was successfully submited, But when I click the image for a larger view, all I see is cgtalk logo:( I guess something is wrong, but I didn't do anything wrong, so can you please solve this problem? Or explain to me what's wrong with my entry, and tell me what to do. I can re-submit my tiff if it's necessary.

I hope it's a minor error:)

Cheers

KB

[paperclip]

Kareymbit-- do you see your entry in the pages of 'submitted entries'? If you do, it's been submitted. If you don't, contact mibus.

[E.T]

Personlly I find it great... sort of helps turn this even more into a CG competition rather than a possible popularity contest.

I totally agree.

It shouldnt be aboout who has the most free time to spare to post and butter everyone up, it should be about excellence. This also has the added benefit of not so many looks cool entries but rather i think you should... kind of entries.

btw: This has got to be the highest level ever in an art competition (at least one open for all) Ive seen so many amazing entries im awestruck. In this genre (sci-fi, fantasy i guess) some of the work has to be, well the best around.

[altebanger]

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6523

I submited all my milestones, uploaded a .tif file and entered early but I'm not among the final entries...was I DQed or something? Any help with this would be greatly apprecialted.

[cabertevon]

[QUOTE=E.T]I totally agree.

It shouldnt be aboout who has the most free time to spare to post and butter everyone up, it should be about excellence. QUOTE]

Well spoken Eric. I totally agree also.

[paperclip]

Well, since we have a little time to burn until we find out the results, how about brainstorming for ideas for the next challenge? :deal: Who knows...we might spark something off for the next theme..

[pwallin]

Well, since we have a little time to burn until we find out the results, how about brainstorming for ideas for the next challenge? :deal: Who knows...we might spark something off for the next theme..

Well, one thing I am quite sure, is that it is not going to be about relationship between masters and servants :D

Then again it may once again include some kind of characters which is almost unavoidable these days and it's not a bad thing I think. Past challenges had them in some sort or another even not really a must (especially Space Opera).

But my suggestion is to create image that turns something familiar to unfamiliar by combining or twisting everyday elements with imaginative or real elements.

Pasi

[liiga]

Yay for brainstorming. :D I think an interesting topic would be 'the perfect world', 'cause it could mean so many different things.

[pwallin]

'the perfect world', 'cause it could mean so many different things.

Hmm...then you add to the list perfect modeling/texturing and rendering...and perfect composition too. And perfect interact with other challengers and even a perfect rendering times :D

Perfect judging would be cool too! ;)

Pasi

[pwallin]

Actually "Perfect world" would be too confusing to judge, I think. What is perfect for someone is a pain for someone else. For alone, that thinking method would be nice, but to get their message through most competitors would make too much too self-explanatory images and it would be a quite boring challenge to look at. Even with best work there would be lots of very deep thinking and trying to understand what artist is really meaning and if they follow rules or not.

Honestly, I think that judges would disagree on most images more than before and end up for fight against themselves...which would eventually lead up a mass-destruction of all the entries ;)

But then again, it's up to how well "judges" describe what the instructions are at the beginning of competition. If that would work great, a "perfect world" would end up as a really great theme. :)

Pasi

[paperclip]

Master and servant is rather different to the other topics-- most of them tend to be more 'concept design' oriented- whereas this one is more like an illustration topic. When I say concept design, I mean blending different themes, coming up with something new and novel. M & S is more along the lines of interpreting one fixed topic.
I wonder if they will continue along this vein for the future challenges? I like both- narrative because you need to have a story behind it also, but also the concept art because it's, well, new and interesting.

I'd say they'll probably have something to do with ancient time periods next. That would be interesting and maybe reduce the amount of 'bots' we have around....hopefully...

[BlackDidThis]

Guys/Ladies...

I am very sorry for definately being out of place here and actually sounding like a jerk. But people come to this thread to read through with (usually) a search for frequently asked questions and answers related to the contest, if not to later ask their own.

I'd say both thumbs up for brainstorming for the next contests idea's. That would be great...
But wouldn't you agree that it might be a good idea to start a new thread on it somewhere? If nothing to post a message here linking to it instead?


I am sorry for being rude, as being offencive was really not intended.
Thank you;


Black

[liiga]

Actually "Perfect world" would be too confusing to judge, I think. What is perfect for someone is a pain for someone else.

Exactly, that's the whole point behind the topic suggestion - the perfect world will be different for everyone. :) So I s'pose originality of thought and credibility of portrayal could be among the judging criteria?

BlackDidThis, oops, suppose you're right. *sheepy smile*

[pwallin]

people come to this thread to read through with (usually) a search for frequently asked questions and answers related to the contest, if not to later ask their own.

But wouldn't you agree that it might be a good idea to start a new thread on it somewhere? If nothing to post a message here linking to it instead?

Black

Maybe, but then again if you read posts of challengers threads it's a same thing. I mean that most of them are chatting without a reason. Some highlights are cases where someone is not posting any sketch (or just one) and his/hers friends keep his thread up by posting hugely. Mostly like "when you show something" or "nice you are in this competition". Some goes even further by "chatting" after challenge is a way over.

Pasi

[pwallin]

[QUOTE=liiga]So I s'pose originality of thought and credibility of portrayal could be among the judging criteria?
QUOTE]

Yes, but I am afraid it would be really hard to define such "rules" that would be as clear as possible for that context.

Pasi

[paperclip]

Guys/Ladies...

I am very sorry for definately being out of place here and actually sounding like a jerk. But people come to this thread to read through with (usually) a search for frequently asked questions and answers related to the contest, if not to later ask their own.

I'd say both thumbs up for brainstorming for the next contests idea's. That would be great...
But wouldn't you agree that it might be a good idea to start a new thread on it somewhere? If nothing to post a message here linking to it instead?


I am sorry for being rude, as being offencive was really not intended.
Thank you;


Black

Point taken and agreed with. A better place to discuss this would probably be in the relevant thread in the CGNews section. Brainstormers, head over there!!

This thread is indeed more for questions and answers than for chatting...thanks for reminding us! :thumbsup:

[pwallin]

Point taken and agreed with. A better place to discuss this would probably be in the relevant thread in the CGNews section. Brainstormers, head over there!!

This thread is indeed more for questions and answers than for chatting...thanks for reminding us! :thumbsup:

Yeah, but remove also those stupid "chatter-posts" from challenge entries what I was heavily after. Otherwise we just can keep posting here about "brainstorming" as well.

Pasi

[Robert Longfield]

My brother recieved an email saying that yuo are going to start judging this week. I too have also entered the contest and I have not recived this email.

I was wondering why I have not recieved it.


Thanks.

R.Longfield

[pwallin]

My brother recieved an email saying that yuo are going to start judging this week. I too have also entered the contest and I have not recived this email.

I was wondering why I have not recieved it.


Because no-one of us has received it officially I think. Maybe a someone who read this thread saw info of it and then send mail to your brother?

Pasi

[paperclip]

AFAIK, they send out these emails in batches, so you might get yours later. I too did not get that email, but someone else I know did.
Pwallin...I agree...they should stick to criticising threads- but I guess a lot of these chatter posts are mainly motivation posts. Unless they start talking about things irrelevant to the contest. I could name a couple of threads like that, but I won't. :D

[pwallin]

but I guess a lot of these chatter posts are mainly motivation posts. Unless they start talking about things irrelevant to the contest. I could name a couple of threads like that, but I won't.

Motivation before and after...hmm! That means he/she is having a too big fanclub and therefore it's good that public voting is not happening this time. I think it (public voting) explains some winners from past competitions...even it only had a 25% of final judgement.

Pasi

[BlackDidThis]

Yeah, but remove also those stupid "chatter-posts" from challenge entries what I was heavily after. Otherwise we just can keep posting here about "brainstorming" as well.

PasiThis so reminds me of a confersation I had with a guy I met in the street, gradually throwing his wrappings on the floor as he ate.
His answer to my asking him to not do that was that everyone was litering ... so until you stopped all of them there was no need for him to stop as well.

My only reply was to simply get down ... pick up his litter and throw it in the trash can. And ask if it would be too wrong to have it 'one man less'.



I too don't like flakey posts... but that is not the issue here. Those threads are peronal threads started by individuals and with more flexibility to that individuals prefferences. For some; even such flakey posts mean the world to hear or to read. So it is hard to vividly state where the line is passed, and when not for such threads. Shall you agree, it is not really the same here.

I personally am already feeling bad about spamming this thread with two unrelated posts including this one.
Please try to understand my point of view and if you too strongly object to my opinion and want to keep this matter up: Please reffer to private message me instead.
I feel it would be a better thing to do.


Black

[pwallin]

I personally am already feeling bad about spamming this thread with two unrelated posts including this one.
Please try to understand my point of view and if you too strongly object to my opinion and want to keep this matter up: Please reffer to private message me instead.
I feel it would be a better thing to do.
Black

I kind of understand. But when I saw you posted on some of most popular attendees entries, especially after competition date was a way over I am not too sure if I take your statements here too seriously.

Maybe I post you private if this thread goes too wild.

Pasi

[BlackDidThis]

You seem to have your PM option turned off.

I am seeing you in the threads aswell, crit'ing people whose stories you haven't even read. Then I shall not take you serious?

Anyhows...
After the contest is over and so much work has been put on to it from each contestant, the last thing I will ever be doing is to post anything about a mistake they have done.
Nor shall you ever witness me posting anything stating parts I would dislike or do diffrent.
Even in yours had I had visited.

There is something beautiful in every entry. And always something that can be done better.
I preffer to see the parts that could have been done better ONLY before the deadline.
And try to bring out what is good about it after the deadline.
I do not exagerate as you accuse in what I write, and I know that they mean plenty for those that they are intended for.

Okay:
I am VERY sorry Robert; CG community;... This is the LAST you shall read of me on this matter in this specific thread.


Good luck everyone.. you all did wonderful!


Black

[pwallin]

I am seeing you in the threads aswell, crit'ing people whose stories you haven't even read. Then I shall not take you serious?
Anyhows...
After the contest is over and so much work has been put on to it from each contestant, the last thing I will ever be doing is to post anything about a mistake they have done.
Black

Not understand that first comment...second one is that i did not meant that you have posted bad things to any of challengers...just posting "chat-type things" and even when challenge was over (except judging as it is now) pity if you do not comment anymore. My PM may be off, but you can mail me to my e-mail. :)

Pasi

[bowditch]

Dear Mibus, I have just noticed that in the public viewing forum of the M+S challenge, the image I posted second-to-last is used for the icon of my challenge entry. Since it is a composite image with some close-ups of the painting and not my final entry piece, perhaps it is not the appropriate image to represent my work.

Would it be possible to change the icon to the final entry image?

If so, thank you very much for your assistance!

Best regards

Marc

[phoboalien]

please man I'm terribly worry about a thing it's apeened to my entry for challenge!
I worked with painter 9 and at the end I saved my piece sa the reccomanded setting in tiff and RGB. I checked if it all works and that was...but today I opened the same tiff file with photoshop cs AND THE FILE HAD CHANGED ITS COLOURS! THIS WAY MY WORKS DONT APPEARS LIKE THE WAY I COLOURED IT! what I have to do? I hope the jury open it with painter otherwise they will judge a work that it's not the way I wanted! please help me!
thanks,
phobalien

[keko]

Hello
I have a problem with my final image. It shows up only half picture. I don't why? I already checked my thumbnail after upload final image. it looks ok .Did I do some things wrong?
my image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=6379
Any help or explanation would be appreciated

[liquidwerx]

My brother recieved an email saying that yuo are going to start judging this week. I too have also entered the contest and I have not recived this email.

I was wondering why I have not recieved it.


Thanks.

R.Longfield

No email here either... Either they don't care about us, or they're sending the emails out in batches and some of us just haven't received ours yet. I'm hoping for the later... ;)

[paperclip]

I would be surprised if we were not to hear of the results before the end of this coming week. Not long to go now people, cheer up!

P.S- Jack Youngblood's entry is stunning. I only just found it today.

[pwallin]

P.S- Jack Youngblood's entry is stunning. I only just found it today.

So is mine and I found it just a minute ago, never knew I even attended in this challenge!!! :)

Pasi

[keko]

Hello
I have a problem with my final image. It shows up only half picture. I don't why? I already checked my thumbnail after upload final image. it looks ok .Did I do some things wrong?
my image
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=6379
Any help or explanation would be appreciated

Thank you very much Mibus :)

[Morgy]

Phoboalien, there is a menu in Photoshop-> (edit\color settings), and part of its work is to manage the opening of documents with different color profiles. I think it'll be good if for the next challenge the printer's give one profile for all challengers.

[cabertevon]

I think it'll be good if for the next challenge the printer's give one profile for all challengers.


Yes. That's a brilliant idea.
To Mibus: Is there any chance that this will be granted?


:scream:

[Squibbit]

General Discussion (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2) is where themes for future challenges have been
debated for a long time. ---> Ideas for Future Challenges (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=205251&highlight=future+challenges)

People talk this and that among the actual critics on the contest threads
for support and fun. You always got the View All Entries (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php) pages and artists
personal WIP threads (a.k.a. challenge pages) (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=5833) to look at art stuff
exclusively and if you want to get into critics conversation then you
just take the time to read it all through. Afterall , the non-critic stuff
is easily skipped and reading the actual critics and thinking about your
own is what takes you the most of the time anyways so once again
hands off the chatter posts and let people have their fun , even if you
had your the different way.

Peace

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[paperclip]

I agree with Panu. I enjoy it when people I know swing by my thread and make obscure references to past threads or whatever- it makes you feel more at home, so to speak. :p

[Mibus]

can you use your magic wand on my name and change from arlutik to ar LutiK
Yup! Handy thing, this wand ;)

Voting: Voting is by a private jury this time. As soon as I've finished up my CGTalking for the morning, I'm assembling the pages for the jury.

Thanks for the support guys! :thumbsup:

My brother recieved an email saying that yuo are going to start judging this week. I too have also entered the contest and I have not recived this email.

Judging is indeed starting soon, but we won't mass-mail everyone to let them know so don't expect anything :)

Black/etc: It's all cool. This may be the FAQ thread but it's where the largest concentration of challengers hang out - not to mention, the challenge is well over, so everyone's more relaxed now (says the guy with a giant :buttrock: on his shirt ;))

altebanger: We don't have a record of your TIFF - chances are you didn't use the filename that was given to you on the upload form. You're still welcome to enter your work into the gallery (where of course images are in the running for a CGChoice award ;)).

bowditch: Fixed.

phoboalien: They won't use the raw TIFF, we sample it down to something that will fit on their screen. I've checked the software we use, it handles your image fine :thumbsup:

Morgy etc: It would be nice, but it's not likely to happen for the next challenge. We're working out how to do colour calibration stuff* for submissions for EXPOSE', once it's done there it should be applicable here too.

(* I have stupendously basic understanding of colour calibration, it's being done by people involved in the book creation that do understand it :))

[(o)ne]

Mibus - "Judging is indeed starting soon, but we won't mass-mail everyone to let them know so don't expect anything"

Oh...I hope judging was all last week... :)

Btw, can I submit my image to Cgtalk gallery or other galleries before judging ends?

[Mibus]

(o)ne: Yeah, you can :)

[(o)ne]

thank you :)

[bowditch]

Thanks Mibus ! ! ! !

Marc

[pwallin]

Should notice this before, but I just looked at my final image from entries forum and the large version (which is scaled down from Tiff I think) seen is not as bright as my zipped Tiff. Did you color manage it appearing darker? The zipped Tiff has the right brightness, so can you do something about big image which is seen online?


Pasi

[arLutiK]

Thanx Mibus

Are you related to Harry Potter?

[Mibus]

pwallin: If you want to supply the corrected JPEGs (including copyright banner where appropriate) I'll swap them over.

ar LutiK: No, but I think Gandalf is one of my second-cousins ;)

[paperclip]

Mibus: You ":buttrock: !"

How long does it normally take to judge? We want to know how much time we have left here and whether it's OK to bring bottles in.:scream:

Excuse me, I have to go back out of a bet....:sad:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hello Mr Mibus "the Guru" for assistance!

I would like to change my name above my avitar to be "Spirit Dreamer"? I want to save the Close your Eyes and See but have the Spirit Dreamer above where it now says Glenn Gallegos. I was looking at how to change that and it seems that I would be changing my "Log in" name to do that. And I can't see how to do that from the menus.
Could you point me in the right direction?

Also one more question,
The "Profile Picture" - if I put that in, where does it show up? When a person goes to view my profile?

And last question...

Where is the appropriate place to submit suggestions for themes for Next Challege?
Thank you
Glenn Gallegos:)

[phoboalien]

"phoboalien: They won't use the raw TIFF, we sample it down to something that will fit on their screen. I've checked the software we use, it handles your image fine :thumbsup:"

Thanks a lot Mibus, u truly put an end on my headcache about it:) ! ah I've another question, today I received a mail asking wich software I used to edit my paint. It's usual to get such mail or have I miss something required information on the last entry post? I've to worry about it or otherwise it's a good thing?
thanks again,
phoboalien

[Squibbit]

I was wondering like, cause I have for next contest
this industrial robotic arm programmed to perform
photoshop effects on a stone slab by spraypainting,
carving and drilling , how am I going to change the
stone slab into a TIFF file and put it in a zip folder ?



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[liiga]

Lol, Squibbit, what did you have for breakfast? :D

phoboalien, looks like a whole lot of people received that e-mail, it's a survey. I got one, too. ^^

[BlacKeri]

Mibus, I would really appreciate if you answered one questiong for me:
Is it possible to showcase the artwork for M&S contest in a magazine?
I will have my artworks showcased in one magazine released in the UK and was supposed to pick a few artworks of mine for that purpose. Would it be possible for me to use the M&S entry?

[arLutiK]

But in the world of LOTR they don't use wands but Staffs so you must be related to Potter, maybe Sirius Black (I'm getting all technical here).

Thanx again.

[Squibbit]

hey ar LutiK , wouldn't it remarkably rise the coolness level of the text above your
avatar if you changed it to "In the sun I thrust" ?


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[DimitrisLiatsos]

I was wondering like, cause I have for next contest
this industrial robotic arm programmed to perform
photoshop effects on a stone slab by spraypainting,
carving and drilling , how am I going to change the
stone slab into a TIFF file and put it in a zip folder ?



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:banghead: :D :D :banghead: ...hahahahah .....U forgot to mention that Photonic Brain with color Lazer printer to produce cool concepts u ordered last night...:argh: oops ..i shouldn't tell?...:D

[Squibbit]

oos oops ..i shouldn't tell?...


no worries, mate, u lost your credibility looong time ago :thumbsup:




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[DimitrisLiatsos]

:banghead: jajajajajaja:banghead: ......:blush:

[Squibbit]

hahaha, and dude stop banging your head like that, your giving me a headache




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[paperclip]

Gee I don't know. They've been trying to convert the Rosetta Stone into a PDF file for a few years now without any luck. I think the main problem lies in the fact that the stone doesn't conduct enough electricity in order to be able to successfully raise a ghost file. You could try converting it into granite, then into sandstone, then into a sandwich, then you could eat it. Then you could open up your stomach and use the entrails to produce line art for the contest and the dried blood for the complex hues and values in your work. Then take a photo of this and send it as a TIFF file.


There you go. Let me know how it goes.:thumbsup:

[Squibbit]

They've been trying to convert the Rosetta Stone into a PDF file for a few years now without any luck. I think the main problem lies in the fact that the stone doesn't conduct enough electricity in order to be able to successfully raise a ghost file. You could try converting it into granite, then into sandstone, then into a sandwich, then you could eat it. Then you could open up your stomach and use the entrails to produce line art for the contest and the dried blood for the complex hues and values in your work. Then take a photo of this and send it as a TIFF file.
There you go. Let me know how it goes.

ermmh.. a bit messy, isn't it ?


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[paperclip]

You gotta take what you can get. Beggars can't be choosers, especially when it comes to converting tripe into works of art.

If YOU have a better way of doing it, feel free to say so!

[flyingP]

You gotta take what you can get. Beggars can't be choosers, especially when it comes to converting tripe into works of art.


hedgehogs are good at it :wise:

[Squibbit]

forget hedgehogs , Avatar World War just started on Daily Sketch forum !! (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=245220)

weeeeee!

:bounce:

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[paperclip]

Ha squibbit, I have you in my clutches and you had to get your mother to save you....:twisted:

This is what you've reduced us to, mibus!

[arLutiK]

Squibbit

Only if you change yours to for play

[Squibbit]

Only if you change yours to for play Yesterday 08:08 PM


got me there , Peace above all :bounce:


um... speaking of play...everybody, we got Avatar World War going on at the Daily Sketch forum, do join us! :D

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[paperclip]

Yeah, what he said!

http://img83.echo.cx/img83/1613/advertisement5nc.jpg

[Mibus]

How long does it normally take to judge?

It always changes, depending on the jury's other workloads. I wouldn't hold your breath, though I'd hope it was within the next two weeks. The jury component will likely take longer this time, since there is so many more images they have to go through.

Glenn: Done! Your profile picture will show up on the right side of your profile page. As for the next challenge, there isn't a place to make suggestions I'm aware of. If you want to, you can go start a thread in General Discussions or something.

phoboalien: Yeah, I sent that out, it's a survey thing. We want to know what software everyone used when they made their images.

Squibbit: Try StuffIt - Stone Edition. Remember to enable "ZIP" though, we don't allow .sitx files :)

BlacKeri: Point #8 from the Terms and Conditions (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/instructions.php) is "Artists may to use the images created for personal promotion. e.g. submission for EXPOSE' and other galleries", so it sounds like you should be fine :)

ar LutiK: It's a big wand. No, really! *sigh* Actually, I stole the magic wand from the Gimp's toolbox. Every time I use it there are all these ants that appear and start marching around my computer, it's very bizarre.

[pwallin]

phoboalien: We want to know what software everyone used when they made their images.

Mibus has sent an e-mail which collects what software we were using. Did you receive it? If not, check your spam-folder since mine was there :)

I am not sure if they release that info for public and even if they do it may not show what software a particular competitor used.

I think next time it would be good to have this info within a thread.

And if anyone is interested I used Cinema 4D v7 (old one, not money to update to a v9)

Pasi

[Art2]

I think next time it would be good to have this info within a thread.

I did that with the GSO and with this challenge... thought it be appropriate :)

[pwallin]

I did that with the GSO and with this challenge... thought it be appropriate :)

After brief thinking I have to take my words a little bit back. I am afraid that threads including info of software used would then suffer about "application war syndrome". I mean "gosh! she/he uses Max so I won't comment, except bad things".

I know there is a lot of people that respect works a little bit higher if they know what app was used and they happen to like that app, but ignore it if they hate that app.

There could be situations that someone will get more respect than he would normally receive if he uses Blender instead of Maya. That would be a good and a bad thing same time, since focus on his work would be "colorised".

Pasi

[pwallin]

But I am sure everyone want's to know which app was used at least after the competition is over.


Pasi

[Mibus]

Yeah I've been wondering if (and when) it'd be good to collect the software used. You can't really collect it up-front, since the person might change packages... you don't want to have to choose your software every time you submit a WIP either.

Maybe we'll do after-challenge surveys more often :)

[Art2]

After brief thinking I have to take my words a little bit back. I am afraid that threads including info of software used would then suffer about "application war syndrome". I mean "gosh! she/he uses Max so I won't comment, except bad things".

I know there is a lot of people that respect works a little bit higher if they know what app was used and they happen to like that app, but ignore it if they hate that app.

There could be situations that someone will get more respect than he would normally receive if he uses Blender instead of Maya. That would be a good and a bad thing same time, since focus on his work would be "colorised".

Pasi

You have a point there Pasi. That's why I've put the info under my finished pic and not during the wips. And no one asked me what software I was using during the wip btw, proving the process is more important than the tool. And the software is just that ... a tool. But I think a survey at the end is useful though, might be interesting to see what everybody is using (also to the sponsors ;) )

[phoboalien]

pwallin I agree with u, maybe that such an information os software used could be both a good or bad thing. Sure some people could be influenced a lot in the judment of a work according to the software used... maybe also they don't do that with malice. frequently its just a matter of feelings or something inner or philosophical-way about profession and work with software or the way each of us work with them.... sorry if this things it's not so clear...but I'm not english and also a little twisted when speaking about complex question such this in different languages by mine:) !
however, I'm according with u!
see u,
phoboalien
ps however I find useful providing softw. info in the main gallery or after a competition ending

[phoboalien]

You have a point there Pasi. That's why I've put the info under my finished pic and not during the wips. And no one asked me what software I was using during the wip btw, proving the process is more important than the tool. And the software is just that ... a tool. But I think a survey at the end is useful though, might be interesting to see what everybody is using (also to the sponsors ;) )

I agree with u too, this is the meaning of cgtalk I think!
phoboalien

[phoboalien]

thanks again mibus, I think it's a good thing to have survey such this,
phoboalien

[paperclip]

Hey Mibus-- how often are you guys planning on having challenges? I think they're a great way to promote sustained work and they're good craic as well!!

[SpiritDreamer]

Mibus....
Once again Thank you much. Appreciate the help!...
Glenn

[Mibus]

We have challenges 3-4 times a year :)

[arLutiK]

Mibus, when is the next one (challenge)?

And are you going at the next wand convention.

[Mibus]

1. I don't know, it depends on too many things at this point.

2. Last May 7, it was a byline at the time-traveller's convention.

[pwallin]

1. I don't know, it depends on too many things at this point.

Yes, and first one to be consider is how long M & S judging will last...maybe even 3-4 months! ;)

Pasi

[arkinet]

Hey Mibus-- how often are you guys planning on having challenges? I think they're a great way to promote sustained work and they're good craic as well!!

i agree... pushes my butt to do something:D ... thnx CGT:applause: now i have a 2d to boast yeeyyyy!!

[paperclip]

Hmm, 4 times a year, that would mean we could expect another challenge within a month or two?

(fires up my brand new wacom, yey!)

[pixelkeg]

Cool, there's probably time to do this month's 10Second club clip, it just got posted.

[vampeta]

Hi Mibus!

I was wondering... when have the finalist have to upload their making of from their work?
After the GSO challenge (i think one week after that) there was a mail from Daniel how and when to submit the making of.
I did´t found any information about this on cgtalk or dit i miss something... :curious: :)

I also checked my mailbox from the last weeks... hmm... nothing... :(

Dit you know something about it?!
Thanks a lot Alex

[OrO]

same question here..thx

[Mibus]

I don't know anything about it, but I know it hasn't happened yet. I'll post back when I hear anything.

[Tremoside]

Am also curious about these things. Of course it's not depends on you Robert but you're the "light keeper" :) here. It's over almost a month and nothing closer information about the future steps. Nothing serious, just an other excited man's post. Have nice day/night to you and everyone :wavey:

[pwallin]

... when have the finalist have to upload their making of from their work?
After the GSO challenge (i think one week after that) there was a mail from Daniel how and when to submit the making of.

I re-read instructions and to me it sounds like only those who wins something must send "making of -files". Anyhow I have a slight problem, since I am planning to go "holiday" for several weeks to a place I do not have a good chance for web or making my WIP images either. So if I win something and I am in a "middle of desert" it will be a BIG problem. Even I could check my e-mail (which I can do occasionally) I have to cancel my holiday and come back to home to do those files needed...

I think best way would be to do those files "just in case" and take them with me to a holiday. Problem is that I do not know what is needed. Like image sizes...what to include and how much is a minimum of "showing progress".

Pasi

[paperclip]

It sounds like the winners are notified first of their winning- then they submit the 'making of', then the plebs get to find out who won afterwards.:D

[Leonard]

Hi all,

Just a quick note to say that we have officially cancelled the production of future CG Challenge books. Despite the community giving us 99% positive support in our market survey and rave reviews from people who have bought the MachineFlesh and Grand Space Opera books, the niche nature of the titles and low volume of total sales speaks for itself. We will not be publishing a Master and Servant book, but will be posting making-of's for selected winning artwork for the Challenge on CGNetworks at the conclusion of judging.

Our upcoming book titles include D'artiste: Character Modeling and D'artiste: Matte Painting. These look spectacular and I'm sure that you will find them just as inspiring and educational as the CG Challenge titles are.

You can still purchase both MachineFlesh and Grand Space Opera from the CGProShop here:
http://www.cgproshop.com/browse/books/ballistic_publishing/

We continue to receive very positive comments about the CG Challenge books, but we will no longer be publishing these titles in the future.

Best,

Leonard

[toribird]

when the result come out ??

[BlacKeri]

oh POO.
And I wanted a M&S servant book so much :(

Well business is business. Good you will still be publishing the stuff on the website, so we can see some nice WIPs! :D

[vampeta]

Hi Leonard!

That are realy bad news :cry::cry::cry: i love the quality and the style from all of these books.
I already owned 7 ballistc-books, and the M&S was a sure kandidate for nr. 8 whether i´m under the winners or not.

But its ok. Now we all have some excellent artworks for EXPOSÉ 4 :):twisted::scream:Ha ha ha ha ha

Keep on rocking Dudes
This site is Awesome

Cheers :beer: Alex

[patina]

Thats bad news about the, CG Challenge book, It was a great opportunity to get published,
looks like EXPOSE 4 will be only option,

What about A christmas edition, best work of all the challenges, maybe we can influence the
powers that be at ballistic! it would be a good stocking filler at xmas its a better sales period.

What ya think!

maybe all members could submit a few dollars to the print process!


m-s
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=7495

[Lemog]

Yes... a really bad news... I'm just very exacting by the very beautiful quality of these edtions... really... and now... no Master & Servant Book :cry: :cry: :cry:

Only one thing remain us...

...to support Ballistic Publishing :bounce:

http://lemog.free.fr/MN/bonus/humanoIDsPublishing_ico.jpg (http://lemog.free.fr/MN/bonus/humanoIDsPublishing1600.jpg)

Cheers :beer: Lemog

[Mythmaker]

What about A christmas edition, best work of all the challenges, maybe we can influence the
powers that be at ballistic! it would be a good stocking filler at xmas its a better sales period.

I think that's a great idea - an annual 'Best of CG Challenge' book would surely be more appealing than the stand alone ones - especially if it has a wealth of tutorials.

I respect the need to cancel production, although perhaps it's a little unfair to do it at this stage - after the contest has taken place and entrants thought they had a chance to be in print (an added incentive to take part!). But if it's not financially viable then what can you do?!...

[eddieellis]

arhh man, thats just not fair :cry: ... But the end of year one sounds like a good idea.

so does this now mean that the challenge enrties don't have to now be a spercific size ? as they will just be a web image ? as well as the making of artical's.

Are the winners still going to have to do a making of thread as all the wips should already be thier on the individual threads ?

Will the standard format of these challenges now change ?

For an answer to these questions please tune in next challenge, same Bat time, same Bat channel.

[liiga]

Wow, that's quite a disappointment. The idea about Christmas publication sounds great though.

Ouff. *goes to get a cup of hot cocoa to get over the sad news*

[BaronImpossible]

It seems very strategic to announce this once the contest is over. Hard-copy exposure was the main motivational factor in my case, far more so than the prizes on offer. I can publish the "making of" on my own site or anywhere else come to that. Like everything else, I guess it's all about profits.

[pixelkeg]

I'm a teacher, 'making-of' is a part of life for me. It was a chance to be published...

It's poor form to make the announcement way after the contest, as a throw-away post in the middle of a huge thread. I think the hundreds of people who worked for two months to contribute to your book have at least earned an email and an official announcement page on your various sites.

Yes, the challenges you host are a free privlige, thank you.

The high-quality art and many hours of work we gave you is a privlige too. Thank us with some common courtesy.

EDIT:
Sorry for the angry post. I understand the business aspect of the decision, but not the communication of it.

[JonnyBlaze]

I may be sorta nooby like 'round here, have yet to get one of the books, but already have it budgeted from my next check :) They look absoloutely phenomonal.

Now, indeed this is quite disapointing news about the cancelation of the challenge pubs BUT, maybe this is a call to the rest of us in the community to try to help find solutions and try to give CGNetwork back some of the support that they've so graciously giving to us artists.
Totally understand the profitability factor, or lack there of so we don't need and explanation just maybe some headbang to come up with possible solutions.

1) As Patina mentioned, maybe members can donate to a "Publishing" fund, you could post a running total along with the need amount to publish x amount at x per book.

2) Maybe CGNet could put them together in a nice PDF? Then we could download, buy, whatever, and we could print it out ourselves if we wished?

Just a couple suggestions, and I know we've got the brainpower in the community, now can we bring it together for the happy ending? :applause:

Yeeeth Maaaaathta, me wants precious books!!!

[BlacKeri]

Personally I am not too enthusiastic about releasing a PDF... But the best of CG Challenges indeed IS a brilliant idea! Lots of tutorials and a huge variation of themes! :)

[OrO]

:cry::cry::cry: that is terrrrrrribbbble new....i was really looking forward to the M&S book.....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Arc80]

Original Quote: BARON IMPOSSIBLE
It seems very strategic to announce this once the contest is over. Hard-copy exposure was the main motivational factor in my case, far more so than the prizes on offer. I can publish the "making of" on my own site or anywhere else come to that. Like everything else, I guess it's all about profits

Yup, that's how i feel too. That's the main reason why i joined the challenge at the first place. But i met a lot of good people and made some new friends along the way, which was a blessing in disguise and very thankful for that, and i'm very happy i did the challenge.

I'm still very sadden by this though... being publish is probably one of the most honorable thing an artist can have...
Oh well, that's life i guess. It never is fare.

[Addiso]

I don't think anyone should be blamed for this step, I think if I were in the same position I'd do the same. A bit wierd communication strategy , though.

No sales, no publish. I can understand that. Charity is great, as long as you have something to eat yourself.

Life goes on. Any news on judging ???

Just a one-liner like, in two weeks or any day now, would really be appreciated !

[Leonard]

I'm a teacher, 'making-of' is a part of life for me. It was a chance to be published...

It's poor form to make the announcement way after the contest, as a throw-away post in the middle of a huge thread. I think the hundreds of people who worked for two months to contribute to your book have at least earned an email and an official announcement page on your various sites.

Yes, the challenges you host are a free privlige, thank you.

The high-quality art and many hours of work we gave you is a privlige too. Thank us with some common courtesy.

EDIT:
Sorry for the angry post. I understand the business aspect of the decision, but not the communication of it.

--

pixelkeg: I did make an announcement of it in the main announcement forums and here as a secondary post. Another email announcement is scheduled to go out to all the CG Challenge participants soon as we're going to send an update on the judging to keep everyone updated. I posted these announcements after numerous people kept enquiring about the book and we had to make a quick announcement so that everyone is kept in the loop.

We were only able to make a decision now after the Challenge because the Grand Space Opera book just started shipping two weeks ago and we needed to get the combined sales statistics for GSO and the MachineFlesh book. We could not have done it sooner because we still didn't know if we were going to publish another book or not.

In that respect, it is clear that we have done our job at communicating this to the general users in the most timely and sincere manner that we could have done. I do not feel that this announcement deserves any huge front page plug or publicity surrounding it, as it only affects the CG Challengers who took part in this specific Challenge. We also do not need the negative publicity as many people are already misconstruing this as though we're going out of business - we're not. There just isn't a demand for the CG Challenge books and we're discontinuing the line, that's all.

I understand and empathize if you're disappointed and angry, however, we've done our best at communicating with our artists and building the community spirit here. An email is scheduled to go out to the CG Challenge artists with the judging updates/status and the book announcement today.


--

To the rest of you guys -- this does not change the aspects of the CG Challenge. We're still going for print quality productions because we want artists to practice producing for print. We're finding that many of you are submitting your images to EXPOSE' (some are getting into print and even winning awards) and this is great! The content from the making of's will be published on CGNetworks - access for free to the greater community (I just can't see this as a bad thing), and in future, we intend on using future Challenge content, making ofs and galleries in our magazine.

The CG Challenges are a community event and we have done them 17 times now. Each CG Challenge takes a phenomenal amount of our time and resources. If you calculate it, the CG Challenges alone can hire one person full time to run the four Challenges a year -- that alone is not a trivial cost. The purpose of the books were two-fold: to celebrate the Challenge, and to help support it. We did our market research and 99% of Challengers supported the book idea and wanted to support us by buying a book. We soon found out that this is all lip service and people won't put their money where their mouth is. This is despite the rave reviews that we've gotten from people who own the books.

For now, this does not change the CG Challenges, it just means that there's no book. And there's no point in publishing a book if not enough people buy them to cover the cost of producing it. It's that simple.

Thank you,

Leonard

[AdrielaSakamoto]

I didn't realize there was a possibility of going to print until the announcement there would be none. Shows you how up on current events I've been. Duh.

I enjoyed the challenge tremendously, it gave me a kick in the seat pocket to create something, and that will more than likely be my only reward. That's okay by me. Everything else is gravy.

Draw on.
A

[Leonard]

Just to reiterate -- Robert Mibus (who is now in charge of all the CG Challenge administration and is taking over my role in running the Challenges) will be emailing all the finalists (people who submitted their final images) today with an update on the judging and the books.

Best,

Leonard

[arLutiK]

On my part that's ok, as long as we can submit our image to Expose :)

[DV8]

Thanks for the update Leonard...

Thats a real shame... my machine flesh entry made it into print for the machine flesh book, and I consider it one of the recent highlights of my career... too bad the chance of that happening again is gone.

But thanks anyways, who knows, maybe in a year or two markets will shift and make books like that more worthwhile.

later

Mike Phillips (DV8)

[pixelkeg]

Leonard and I have been emailing each other about this and everything was smoothed over in a friendly way.

Thanks to Mibus for emailing everyone with the update.

Everyone should go buy some books!

=pK=

[pwallin]

--

The purpose of the books were two-fold: to celebrate the Challenge, and to help support it.

Now that "support" via challenge book is not possible, I think it can lead to a some side-effects. One thing is that there may not be enough resources to keep up challenges as they were to this day. We may see the amount of challenges being reduced from 3-4 times a year to a 1-2. Not necessarily next year but who knows at this stage?

If that would not happen, I think some other things have to be done, like limiting how many or who is going to be accepted to a challenge. Or changing rules somehow that it comes easier to administrate, like if you do not keep your WIP at certain level you drop out.

Well, from what I have read It also can be a possible, that because of a "lack of book" there is not as many challengers next time and it "naturally" becomes easier to administrate.:shrug:

Pasi

[Tremoside]

Hey Pasi,

Some of your thoughts are right, but personally i think it's not the challengers buisness.
We did our job with our entries...that's our part, do it better year after year. Am sure it's quite hard to manage free challenges...
About book...sad news but other books are on the market too. Challenge books are optional. If you have an outstanding work that will be published, am sure fine stuffs always have a forum in printed media. If you're able to support the community you can do it on lotsa different ways. Leonard and Robert were clear and am sure they could write pages about these topics, but no reason to do. Facts. So let the wheel spin and let art be the most important here. Work, work and work this is our task.

Mark

[pwallin]

Hey Pasi,

Some of your thoughts are right, but personally i think it's not the challengers buisness.


I did not meant to sound like I was telling them what to do, but speculating what may happen in future. Anyway, it's not a bad thing to be aware of these things, and therefore even give ideas that would be come handy if situation gets worse. I mean, we can throw ideas and admins pick them if they like them, right? Not necessarily right away, but later if they feel something must be done.

Pasi

[paperclip]

Since the challengers own the copyright to their own images, they will still benefit from the publicity. To be honest, not many people would actually buy the challenge book aside from challengers and people directly involved in the community. On a practical level, it's enough to say you have won the award...and the reputation of cgnetworks for its books, articles etc would ensure the rest. It's enticing to have the piece as hard cover, but no one says you can't post your work for expose.
Either way, most people who enter the challenges see them as a way to develop artistically and get feedback for it. A tiny minority are in it for the publishing- I would go so far as to say probably only about 10% are worried about hard-copy publishing.

If your work is good enough, it will be welcomed elsewhere.:)

[malcolmvexxed]

gotta admit that was a main motivator for me entering the contest but overall it was still a well run contest imo.

[(o)ne]

Just to reiterate -- Robert Mibus (who is now in charge of all the CG Challenge administration and is taking over my role in running the Challenges) will be emailing all the finalists (people who submitted their final images) today with an update on the judging and the books.

Best,

Leonard

Can you tell if emails were sent, please? I didn't recieve any :) but I can see my image in finals..

Just recieved it, sorry for distubing :)

[paulwdavidson]

paperclip: I agree.

[paperclip]

Paul: Thank you.

Still no updates...maybe the judges ran off??:scream: They just couldn't decide who should win, so they legged it.:shrug: :)

[Dargon]

OK, I have a question!

On the next challenge, since we now know there will be no book, can we work at a slightly lower resolution?

I started mine about 300 pixels shorter before I read the outline properly, and then I fixed it to the minimum, and my computer just started to chug. Having the larger size really hamstrung my ability to work quickly. I had to paint several parts of my image in a smaller file, and transfer the layers in.

Considering there's no chance of being printed anymore, perhaps a resolution that is more in line with web viewing?

[Morgy]

Yes, the requirements should be for lower resolution. :thumbsup: My entry took me A LOT of time and now I can only print a high quality copy for myself and put it in a frame:sad:

[BlackDidThis]

Well not too bad a loss then :)
You have a wonderful picture in a poster printable size that you can frame.

Should try that more often:thumbsup:


I get what you mean about being obligated to make it in large scale. It is is always handy to have a few, if not a dear lot of your works such.
Though the printing-out is a bit too expensive this way.


Black

[paperclip]

Don't forget that in the challenge info page, it said that one of the reasons for asking for a high res piece is so that the entrants can get used to working in print- res formats. This is useful for students and anyone not yet used to working for publishing/print formats. It provides a whole new host of cute problems for you to work around and it's as well you're learning this for a non-paying project, right? Would you normally do this? Chances are you wouldn't. Now you know how to produce a print-ready piece. Congratulations!:thumbsup:

[ymy]

Too bad about the book. But completely understand your situation.

Having 3-4 challenges a year, with book coming out for each one. I kinda figured it would be hard on the sales.

Maybe you guys could consider having winners from the four challenges in the same year, and publish a book with the winners from each of the challenges on one book. Maybe include "just the images" for the people who are runners-up, without the how to's to save on print costs.

Because there are improving amount of entrants for the new competitions, if you include all the winners from this challenge, previous challenge, and upcoming ones this year. I think the sales would definitely go up. And thus giving more exposure to the artists, and more sales for the publisher. Just an idea...

Sincerely,
Young

[JMcWilliams]

Get used to working at print res... you'll regret it later if you do not. :D

[Morgy]

I meant that everyone should choose for himself if he wants to work for print or not. I often make images for print and know that if someone wants something like 2000x3000pix as minimum that means that your minimum must be at minimum +30%. And this means: large file, lot of work, RAM problems etc. The problem is not just to make a picture at a higher resolution, but to FILL this area with details which require this resolution. If your picture looks good in A5 this doesn't mean that it'll look good in A3. And now the higher print resolution is a little bit useless if I'm not going to print.
I see that people often cancel their projects because of lack of time. And if the challenges become more frequent I'll not be able to take part in them even if I want. Someone has to work for the living, after all.

[BlackDidThis]

Trust me;
It would be definately an unfair competition on the behalve of those that choose to go for a lower res. Since a high res can offer so much work in presentation.

And it is a good idea to manage a unified limit to get things more evened out. As much as a variaty is a good one, things start showing up complaining about how better other peoples computers are and how they are more able to enter a high res and etc and etc...
Intended or not; I think by putting a limit to have a publishable entry in the begining of it all, they sort of eliminated such a conflict.

None the less.. it is Balistic PUBLISIHING ... You know.
The guys have just gotta put a foot down somewhere! :p

So I personally like the thought, and would like it to be kept this way. If I win or get to a high stat between all the entries at any raet... I would definately want a big sized print out of it to hang... Even if it is not going to be published ;)


Black

[liquidwerx]

Get used to working at print res... you'll regret it later if you do not. :D

Agreed. Even my personal work is done at 300ppi. Besides, rendering tight details is almost impossible at a low resolution. ;)

[paperclip]

I agree with Black- it would end up being a multiple-tier contest, with one 'standard' for the hi-res people and another for the lower-res people. How could you judge both standards at the same time, fairly?


I like it the way it is. I've learned a lot from working at hi-res, mostly that I really need to calibrate my monitor- when I looked at my work from someone else's computer, the colors were WAY too garish...:cry:

There should be a standard 'calibration' for all computer artists-- that would make so much sense.

[DimitrisLiatsos]

HI-Res ..is our friend.....:). There are millions of things u have to consider when working in 2K and more Resolution....so it's nice thing like it is in my humble opinion.:bounce:

[jugeras]

yup, yup, yup. a collective annual book for all challenges held would be great.

i personally dont like ads but its a money making solution. ive worked for print and the cost is just crazy to release such quality books. never the less;
1. you need the cash to produce the books
2. you need to get the cash back for business purposes
3. i think the idea of having an artist's work inside a printed material gives the challenges an extra kick of competetiveness.
ads anyone? (ouch!)

just an OPINION. hmmm. sometimes boredome has different effects on the mind.

[walrus]

Personally, as much as I like books which collect great art, like Expose or Spectrum, i think i would like even more a book that did the same thing but also showed a whole bunch of step-by-steps as to how the images were created. and one that collected the best of several contsts would have the sort of breath that a single-challenge collection might not feature. But then, i'm a figital artist, of course I'm going to like digital art step-by-steps! I don't know about the general purchasing public, whether they want to see that kind of detail or just look at pretty pictures. But maybe if they would enjoy that, there could be a move waible market for something like this... If you folks feel like doing or even have means to do the research...? :)

-mike

[pixelkeg]

Walrus: That sounds like a good idea. It would make the book useful beyond a reference book that sits on the shelf or table. It would be attractive for students.

Check out "Digital Fantasy Painting Workshop" - By Martin McKenna. There's lots of useful step by step info in there. And it's found easily via Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

This question might already have been answered, but can the Ballistic books be made available via Amazon and Barnes and Noble? Seems like a huge market that isn't being tapped. You guys might also consider sending advertizing emails to every CG and Architecture, and Art school you can find. Even EBGames and Gamestop stores would probably carry the Oddworld books. Some more marketing could help.

Also, maybe print smaller books?

Just my opinion.

[(o)ne]

Any news on judging? Maybe winners got their "you won" messages already?

[Lemog]

Any news on judging? Maybe winners got their "you won" messages already?
Is it hard to wait my friend ? :banghead: hahaha...

[Squibbit]

Maybe winners got their "you won" messages already?

yea and I says like : "Wow! U gotta be kidding me!"

and they says : "Yep, sorry, dude"

And I criez a river

better luck for the rest of u!


.

[(o)ne]

Lemog, right, mate :)

Squibbit, cool.

[TheFirstAngel]

Walrus: great idea dude!

Squib: lol! uhm. yup. I'm used to the feeling to know nothing... makes life interresting u know :/

[eddieellis]

yeh i got my winners email today.. didn't you ?.............. :rolleyes: ;)

[spacesnail]

eddieellis : Errr... just a VERY naive question :Are you kidding or is it true ?
the1st_angel : interesting or stressing ?


Breaking news---- Breaking news ---- Breaking news

The CGNETWORK judges have been abducted by some alien tripods.
The challenge's results can't be announced.

Breaking news---- Breaking news ---- Breaking news

Sorry, I'm just trying to evacuate the tension. He He

[walrus]

Pixelkeg - thanks for the recommendation, I'll have to check it out!

angel - thanks! (not like i'm saying anything that new! :) )

spacesnail - maybe eddie is the one piloting the tripods?

...

and as for all this waiting for the results, I only have one comment to add:
AAAAAAHHHHHHRRRRRGGGH! :scream:

-mike

[paperclip]

and as for all this waiting for the results, I only have one comment to add:
AAAAAAHHHHHHRRRRRGGGH! :scream:

-mike

No, no, you're doing it all wrong. You need to do it in a higher octave, like this:

AAAaaaaaaaaaAAArrrggggHHH.....

[eddieellis]

eddieellis : Errr... just a VERY naive question :Are you kidding or is it true ?



Just kidding dude.....

[spacesnail]

IiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Now I can take a deep breathe and wait for the results

[walrus]

No, no, you're doing it all wrong. You need to do it in a higher octave

Sorry, that's my Yank accent! :)

But you know, now that they're not doing a collected M&S book, there's no need for CGTalk to get any large files from anyone in advance to publish eventually. Sure they may at some point to some articles on people's step-by-steps, but they don't have to have the large files so for all we know, they may not need to contact anyone before they know the results. Dunno whether that makes the waiting easier or harder, but there it is...

[Mibus]

The final stage of judging is mostly done (4/5ths maybe?). Once that's finished and I tally up the results, we'll make a page of the winners and announce it to the world :)

It's highly unlikely we'll stop asking for print-res images - we still want to drive people to work at what I guess are "commercial resolutions", what you'd do for a professional client. We also want to drive people to create good art for books that we print - previous challenge entries have already ended up in EXPOSE', for instance, and I've got a pretty good feeling that several M&S ones will end up in EXPOSE'4.

AAAaaaaaaaaaAAArrrggggHHH.....
The castle? ;)

[arLutiK]

Aaarg....kuff...kuff...kuff...sorry :blush: I tried my best

[Lemog]

Thanks for informations Robert about the challenge :thumbsup:

I think as you that commercial size required for these challenges is a good thing. You try to have the best quality of artworks here, and only high resolutions permit that... and it's a true good training for our skill. Personnally, there's a long time I do very big pictures... that permit me, but also my friend and my family, to watch my creations, printed on photo paper in large size, and especially out of a computer screen, and for why not, in a frame :)

As exemple, in 2001, I do a series of 10 egyptian pictures... ...in 12000 x 8000... that permit to print them in 70x100 cm in 300 dpi... and sincerely, I don't regret, because the printed versions of these realizations continue to be appreciated by many people.

Since this time, I took the practice of these high resolutions, which give the chance to prolong the pleasure of the image created. I think that's very important, especially when we knows the time of realization of such images.

Then, I'm really happy that doesn't change for the contests to come.

Seeya


Lemog...

[(o)ne]

Hi-res needs more details to work with and I like that :)

[paperclip]

The castle? ;)
Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government!

Such a good movie!

People: Mibus is just waiting for me to go on holiday before announcing the winners. Ok, ok, no need to throw stones, I'm going tomorrow!:scream:

[Speaky]

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!

:D:D:D Couldn't resist.

[Squibbit]

I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!


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[Fa7]

"what's your favorite color ?" hinhin !!
I'm really waiting for the results !!!:bounce:

[OrO]

orange....i can't wait too :bounce: good luck everybody

[paperclip]

"Blue. No, yel-"

[Mibus]

"Blue. No, yel-"

"Whaaaaaaaa!"

[OrO]

anything new???? the silence is killlling me :scream:

[paperclip]

Did you not hear, Oro? The judges are being held hostage by these guys:

http://www.siege-engine.com/seuss/taunters.jpg

We need to go find the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch in order to rescue them! Who will volunteer for this mighty task?

[Squibbit]

I think they've forgotten there was a contest


:rolleyes:


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[mmoir]

Just in case you missed this post by Leigh on someones thread in the 3d challenge forums, see the link below

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2391415#post2391415

Mike

[leigh]

I think they've forgotten there was a contest


:rolleyes:


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Sheesh, can you people have some patience please?

[Ducklator]

mmm.... yeah, I'm waiting for the winners' challenge... c'mon! for us, it's more important than any book....:banghead: hahaha... c'mon... c'mon.... no es tan dificil...:bounce:

[paperclip]

Sheesh, can you people have some patience please?

Patience, 4 euro per bundle, get your patience here! Cheap at half the price! Patience!

[Squibbit]

i currently got patience 3.4 , it lasts for about an hour, I have been thinking
about upgrading, maybe as far as 4.1, where it would last an unprecedented
day, but you're talking about weeks here, nothing last for weeks! Well, the
Sun might, but hey ...


.

[OrO]

well no matter who wins...congradulations to everyone :thumbsup: :applause:

[paperclip]

I don't know. Patience 4.1 isn't compatible with Curiosity 3.40.
What should I do? I heard that you can get Tranquillizer 6, would that solve my problem?
[edit: I just got the brand new Sisu 3! I couldn't be happier!]

[Squibbit]

NAh , tranquilizer 6+ got so big side effects u
don't wanna try that


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[paperclip]

What kinda side FX will I experience?

[TheFirstAngel]

at least now we found out where squibs weirdest ideas pop up from. its hard to get the tranquilizer 600 (also known as squibbitilum forte) after they took em from the market, since known side effects were they made ppl wear wings, run around in shopping malls with 2 lightsabers and seing flying potwhales :p

[Squibbit]

since known side effects were they made ppl wear wings, run around in shopping malls with 2 lightsabers and seing flying potwhales

tip of the iceberg, dude


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[paperclip]

Oh yeah, isn't that where the finnish language came from??:scream:

[Squibbit]

hmm could be, could be, no one's really sure :curious:



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[paperclip]

They TOLD Sanna and Timo not to drink vodka while operating sisu 3.4 with the Tranquillizer 6 plug-in, but they didn't listen...and what do we have now....ruoskea minua!

[mosconariz]

They TOLD Sanna and Timo not to drink vodka while operating sisu 3.4 with the Tranquillizer 6 plug-in, but they didn't listen...and what do we have now....ruoskea minua!

:eek: that's scary!

[LadyMedusa]

I don't know. Patience 4.1 isn't compatible with Curiosity 3.40.
What should I do? I heard that you can get Tranquillizer 6, would that solve my problem?
[edit: I just got the brand new Sisu 3! I couldn't be happier!]
Lucky you. I got Patience 5 and Curiosity 2.0, but I'm having serious problems whit Mother 4.3. trying to uppgrade my Curiosity and block my ForgetThis XI.
I heard rumors that Tranquillizer 6 isn't stable. I'd sugggest Amnesia 2.5, It may spead MentalDamage, but its worth the risk. I would suggest you use Beer 36 to get it.

[Dargon]

Patience, 4 euro per bundle, get your patience here! Cheap at half the price! Patience!

OOOO!! Could I buy some of that? I had a large supply, enough to last a whole month, but alas, it just ran out a few days ago. How much do you get in a bundle?

[paperclip]

80 Gig of Patience 4.1. You can convert this into 2lb of Patience 4.0.

Sweet & Savory patience.

RECIPE:
2lb Patience 4.0
1 red onion
1 packet dried mushroom soup.
1 cup pureed tomatoes
2 cans chopped tomatoes
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup soy sauce
1/3 cup vinegar
1 200g can pineapples- optional.

Roll Patience 4.0 into balls. Add other ingredients, stir and leave to boil, then immediately turn down. Simmer until thickened.
Serve with rice and broccoli. Extremely tasty.

[BlacKeri]

Mmmm sounds good! :P

[Lemog]

Mmmmmmhhh... before or after sushis ? :scream: (the school of patience...)

[Antropus]

Serve with rice and broccoli. Extremely tasty.
No, no. no. You can get faster results if you inject the formula directly into the vein.

[paperclip]

So, now that you've seen what you can do with patience, will you all have some?

For fun, we can always make bets as to when we'll hear the results. :scream:

[spacesnail]

quote :
No, no. no. You can get faster results if you inject the formula directly into the vein.

:twisted:For myself, i tried to inject it into my left eye... And it works !!!
It hurts a little, but when the eye is (almost) white again then it's time to announce the results.:twisted:

[Gunilla]

So, now that you've seen what you can do with patience, will you all have some?

For fun, we can always make bets as to when we'll hear the results. :scream:

O.K - my bet is for July 4th. If I win I'm rewarded with patience, right? :D

[(o)ne]

I think much earlier - receieved this letter today : "Final judging for places and prizes in the Master Servant CG Challenge is now complete and the winners will soon be announced! Stay tuned for the results."

I guess that winners recieve their letters tomorrow and everybody else a day or two after tomorrow :deal:

[mmoir]

(o)ne,
I haven't received that letter, thanks for the update.

[OrO]

neither did i :D

[paperclip]

Ah no, double post.
Oh well. I guess I'll just use this extraneous space to make my guesstimate. It's this week, sometime. Today is Tuesday though and I doubt if they will announce the winners on a weekend. That gives us Tues- Friday. It will be most likely around 8pm West Coast time (the announcement of the M & S topics was around that time. So there you go.

[paperclip]

AFAIK, letters go out in batches. It sounds to me like you may need some....patience?:twisted:

[mosconariz]

Thursday 0 hrs GMT! :scream:

[PeterPuppet]

My bet is tod-, eh tomorrow, Friday 2.. what day is it again? Oh, yeah 24th.
-June, Friday 24th. That´s my bet.

Damn does someone have a little time to sell. I don´t care about how to inject, wether it hurts or not, but I need it and I need a lot of it! Especially for the next challenge I´m gonna need lloooooottt.

Posted by spacenail
For myself, i tried to inject it into my left eye... And it works !!!


Just a question of curiousity: Did you do it in front of the mirror, or did you take out your eyeball first?

Posted by spacenail
It hurts a little,

I have painkiller on supply!:twisted: Painkiller for a buck! Mixed with patience it´s the best euphoric experience of your life! It´s like time wouldn´t last nomore. You get an idea of eternity... I had one few minutes ago and I don´t care when the winners are gonna be announced... It´s great...:thumbsup:

BTW: does patience make addicted? I hope not :rolleyes:



peace, pete

[pseudonympending]

I realise i'll probably get spanked for this but my patience plugin has expired and i've lost the keygen!

Whilst I'm probably under-estimating the logistics behind judging something like this, what's the point of knocking a month off the competition time just to add it back on deliberating over who's won..?

[LadyMedusa]

My bet is July 1'st or 2'nd.. but I really hope it will be before

[paperclip]

If your patience plugin expires, you're not going to be allowed to see the winning announcement. Sorry.

[Squibbit]

*casts a bolt of lightning that disintegrates Lady Medusa's..um..shoes*

ZZzzzaP!!


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[Antropus]

My bet is January 1st...maybe 2007 :bounce:

[flyingP]

My bet is January 1st...maybe 2007 :bounce:


ahhhh an optimist :D

[paperclip]

The results will come out TONIGHT. Tenacious T has spoken!

Watch this space for a 'never mind' edit....hehe...

[Ego]

Hehe, I think I enjoyed this challenge as much as the participants. I just love this place :)
I am eagerly awaiting the next one.

[arLutiK]

Not bad since I submited my image I had time to do the 3dluvr contest and win 3rd place.

And I grew a very very very long beard.:)

[mmoir]

Hey Gerard,
I saw that image, good job and congrats on the 3rd place.

[Art2]

hey, I still didn't receive my 'you're a winner'-email, teeheee...:D

[paperclip]

It's an outrage, Marlon, I tell you!

[(o)ne]

winners preparing their wips now I guess...don't know other reason to keep it secret if judjes decided.


:)

[TheFirstAngel]

Squib: hahahaha stop scare little ladys with snakey hairs with lightnings bolts. her hair looks fine yet. :) not anyone likes the finnish way of hairstyling :p

[DimitrisLiatsos]

*casts a bolt of lightning that disintegrates Lady Medusa's..um..shoes*

ZZzzzaP!!


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ZBOING...."Liatman falls down...".....And why the heck u hit me ?.....learn targeting u little hairy beast... :D ...(this ..i am sure is going to generate a remark from someone who smells like a....pig :argh: :D )......

[flyingP]

ZBOING...."Liatman falls down...".....And why the heck u hit me ?.....learn targeting u little hairy beast... :D ...(this ..i am sure is going to generate a remark from someone who smells like a....pig :argh: :D )......

no I've insulted you enough for one day :D

[DimitrisLiatsos]

Wahhhaaaaaaaa...aaaaaahahahahahahhahahahahaha :scream: :scream:

It's nice to have friends....they sympathize with your pain once and a while...even if they 'cuased it... :D ...hahahahahh :p :p

[paperclip]

Or maybe piggy weighed himself today. :scream: :bounce:

[spacesnail]

So... see you next week for the annoucement.:shrug:


Time to refuel my left eye with Patience v10.1. I take it in my left hand... Come on...
OUCH... That's it.

Ssssiiddee eeefffectxxsx aaarrre coommmmingg fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssstttttttt.
...............................................................................................





BOOM

[Velinov]

Hypodelic trans-location of that awful sickness named patience! Hope it works for you.
I need for myself s dibble dose!!! Now i'm feel free to wait for a while... :applause:

[LadyMedusa]

*casts a bolt of lightning that disintegrates Lady Medusa's..um..shoes*

ZZzzzaP!!


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Woah :O

Hey those were my brand new Gucci Shoes [/movieish reply] :scream:
You're just envious of my supreme Patience 5 :D

Seriously tho', my mother is driving me nuts!
She seriously thinks I will win, so she constantly ask me if I heard anything... I just hope we'll get the results before 2 July, when I'll travel away from cumputers for a moth. I don't whant to hear her braging about it to the others as if I'v alredy won
And I don't whant to hear, "I wonder how that contest went" every single day in my vacation :argh: (I know it might be selfish, but I whant to return whit atleast a slightly healthy mentality)... why am I even typing this? Next time I won't let anyone I know know I'm in a contest.

[Squibbit]

Woah :O
Hey those were my brand new Gucci Shoes


ther u go u snob, hahaha



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[ebrowning]

"Seriously tho', my mother is driving me nuts!" -Lady Medusa

Your mother is awesome. She just thinks her daughter rocks! http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Antropus]

I have a feeling that the results will come next week... I can feel the results coming....... OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM

[DimitrisLiatsos]

I have feeling that the results will come next week... I can feel the results coming....... OOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM



OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... :D :D :D

[paperclip]

There's always tonight....:scream:

Oohhmmmmm......

[OrO]

yessssss :bounce: tonight..OOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM:surprised

[Squibbit]

well , at least they should start the next contest already


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[Mythmaker]

Seriously tho', my mother is driving me nuts!
She seriously thinks I will win, so she constantly ask me if I heard anything...

OMG OMG! We're like - the same! ...and stuff...

I honestly could have written that line myself.

It drives me nuts!

...especially as I'm getting it from multiple family members...

...it was even worse a few weeks ago - they just couldn't seem to grasp the fact that I was both running a contest and taking part in one...

...and now my mom just came in while I was typing this.... can you guess what she said?!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! :scream:

[(o)ne]

just wondering..WHY not just to tell us the result if they already decided at least 3 days ago? 1,5 month several hundreds (or even thousands if count not only finalists) of people are waiting for that, and stuff even don't speak with us...keep it up, CGTALK, keep it up..........

[monsitj]

heeheheh! all of you hang around here! glad to see ! now I'm not excite about result, maybe I'm excite about the new challenge :twisted::eek: he heheh , wait for the new challenge! :thumbsup:

[Mythmaker]

just wondering..WHY not just to tell us the result if they already decided at least 3 days ago? 1,5 month several hundreds (or even thousands if count not only finalists) of people are waiting for that, and stuff even don't speak with us...keep it up, CGTALK, keep it up..........

Well there could be numerous reasons for delay - such as checking the results are correct, or maybe trying to sort tied results, there are probably numerous graphics to create for the site and e-mail... must be loads of stuff to do - it can be time consuming even on a small scale, but this is the biggest contest of its kind on the net.

[BaronImpossible]

:) Am I the only one not bothered about the results? - I just want another competition! I'm a bit dumb so I need to be told what to do. Come on, chop chop :D

[(o)ne]

Well there could be numerous reasons for delay - such as checking the results are correct, or maybe trying to sort tied results, there are probably numerous graphics to create for the site and e-mail... must be loads of stuff to do - it can be time consuming even on a small scale, but this is the biggest contest of its kind on the net.

if would be nice if someone from CGTALK team told that...:) anyway I wish them luck in everything about this... :)

[TheFirstAngel]

hahah, having fun in meantime with my last few tranquilizers and patience7.1 beta. actually using also DSG turbo and CHAT light. uhm. enthusiastic. trying to keep it up, another potion... never knew much, hahaha, feeling silly as well Baron... makes the 2 of us. so may the enlightment come soon. and the new challenge. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[vampeta]

Ahh... here you guys are gathering :buttrock::cool: Hahahaha

Nice place to drive insane :twisted::scream: WU HO HUA HA HA HA... HI HI HI HI HI
... just cut my left ear off.... HI Hi .....it feels a bit better now!... WuoaHAHAHAHA

[theuni]

Gotcha,

you guys think you can hide from "Darth Theuni" :twisted:

[paperclip]

Well, your avatar doesn't have any eyes so we thought we MIGHT be able to...

Psst...special Patience 4.2 deal starting tomorrow...get in there...

[OrO]

i have a question people.....i have 2 computers conected through lan...can i use them bothe (master-slave) with photoshop cs 2 for more processing power...ore somthing??? something like a 2d renderfarm..in this case painting farm?..thx

[theuni]

Oh :surprised now that you gave me the clue I know why the whole world is so dark :D

Well, your avatar doesn't have any eyes so we thought we MIGHT be able to...

Psst...special Patience 4.2 deal starting tomorrow...get in there...

[jugeras]

breath in - breath out - breath in - breath out - almost passed out from holding my breath for the results. turned black-blue though.

M&S (http://www.cgnetworks.com/gallerycrits/6192/6192_1117181381.jpg)

i think if any contestants doesnt really make it - survive from passing out - from holding their breath - the organizers should be liable.

[leigh]

Please have some patience, folks. I am putting together the announcement and will be putting it online soon. I am sorry for the delay but I've been incredibly busy and this was suddenly handed to me to take care of just over a week ago.

[OrO]

i have a question people.....i have 2 computers conected through lan...can i use them bothe (master-slave) with photoshop cs 2 for more processing power...ore somthing??? something like a 2d renderfarm..in this case painting farm?..thx

pls help :cry:

[DimitrisLiatsos]

Nop u can't ! :)

[OrO]

thx a looooooot

[vampeta]

i have a question people.....i have 2 computers conected through lan...can i use them bothe (master-slave) with photoshop cs 2 for more processing power...ore somthing??? something like a 2d renderfarm..in this case painting farm?..thx

Hi! OrO

You better try to ask this question in the general discussion Forum, that is where the help comes from ;)

See ya

[paperclip]

Please have some patience, folks. I am putting together the announcement and will be putting it online soon. I am sorry for the delay but I've been incredibly busy and this was suddenly handed to me to take care of just over a week ago.

And here I am trying to give patience away practically for free. Ah well, you can lead contestants to patience beta, but you can't make them install it....:shrug:
:D

[theuni]

np leigh, maybe next time the people behind cgtalk could be as patience with the deadline as we are with the results :D

Please have some patience, folks. I am putting together the announcement and will be putting it online soon. I am sorry for the delay but I've been incredibly busy and this was suddenly handed to me to take care of just over a week ago.

[leigh]

Just a few more minutes...

[(o)ne]

Leigh, thanks for the info :) waiting..

[leigh]

It's up! Check out the front page ;)

Winners here:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253317

[xric7]

thank u,cg talk.:)

[OrO]

congradulation to everybody! and can't wait for the next challange...thx cgtalk+Leigh+judges

[AdrielaSakamoto]

Thank you to all the judges and to Leigh for a heroic finish. Congratulations Winners, congratulations finishers! If you've created, you've won.

Next challenge or bust!

A

[arkinet]

congratulations to all, winners & non-winners!!!... so when's the next challenge?

[duddlebug]

I read somewhere (can't remember where) at some point (can't remeber when) that the next challenge would start before SIGGRAPH.... anyone heard anyhting like this? Or more?

I missed the end of the 'M&S' with the birth of my daughter and i wanna finish the next one!!

[pwallin]

I missed the end of the 'M&S' with the birth of my daughter and i wanna finish the next one!!

DREAM ON! :scream:

You know...some twins are not always born same time. The other one stays inside (even months) and waits for most unlikely and/or not wellcomed situation to be born suddenly without any warning.

To test this, you can sit front of your machine and loudly say "I think I am going to render my final image entry..." and see if your wife is having some unexpected repeating pains. :D

Congrats about newborn.!!!

Pasi

[duddlebug]

Haha... blimey... couldn't be doing with the sudden appearance of a twin! One baby's hard enough work! But i seem to get a few more free hours than i did a couple of months ago so i can't wait for the next challenge.

(And thanks!)