CGTalk - Master and Servant Challenge FAQ/Answers/Questions (Update 24 March 2005)

Alexzavr

05-11-2005, 12:27 PM

Friends I have a problem with submit entry my final picture 8-(

I have submitted all WIP images have my data:

Hostname: ******

Username: ******

Password: ******

filename: ******

Now I try to send the big final picture on mine ftp - a picture is sent but when process comes to the end 100 % on ftp there is no my file! There absolutely there are no files 8-( I do not know my file on ftp whether or not!? Tell to me - the file with my final image should be there? or not?

Also forgive for my bad English 8-)

clayeraser

05-11-2005, 07:43 PM

How do you upload my final submission? Thanks :banghead:

AdrielaSakamoto

05-11-2005, 11:04 PM

I do not go by my "legal" name, and so when it asked for my "real" name, I listed the name I go by, and have gone by for the last thirteen years.

Upon further reflection, I'm thinking, "legal" is what you guys want. I've gone back in and edited my Profile, but my "real/legal" name is still not showing up in the 2D Challenge. I'd hate to get disqualified after all this work.

Can anyone help, please?

Adri Sakamoto

(real: Martha Sakamoto)

Mibus

05-12-2005, 12:56 AM

AdrielaSakamoto: I've updated your profile on the CGChallenge database.

Alexey Glinsky: You'll never see any files there, it's a protection mechanism. Go back to the "Submit Final Image" page.

clayeraser, go to:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/final_image.php

AdrielaSakamoto

05-12-2005, 01:45 AM

A thousand thanks..

Adri

MDQ

05-12-2005, 11:40 AM

Gianluca

05-12-2005, 11:48 AM

I send the final image in ftp, but not dates confirmation (via e-mail) of the corrected reception??

fensterer

05-12-2005, 03:05 PM

I'm trying to upload my zip file on the ftp, but when I go to the upload final image section, it says I have not uploaded a final image but it also says that I poste all wip's! How the heck do I upload the zip file? Please help!:scream:

Mibus

05-13-2005, 01:09 AM

Hi. Last night I tried to upload the final image twice. The file´s size is about 40 mb compressed with Winzip. Every time it finishes uploading the folder goes empty when I refresh it. I tried to reload the page also and there´s a warning that says the image is not correct.

There´s something I have doubts about. I was given a username, a password, and also a name for the file. Am I suposed to change the compressed file´s name for that one or should I keep the original name? Please help me so I can upload it tonight.

The ZIP should be named by the name that's given to you.

Your file had an extra channel beyond RGB, so the system had errors processing it (even though it'd been uploaded fine). I downloaded the file, converted it manually, and re-uploaded it, so you should be fine now.

I send the final image in ftp, but not dates confirmation (via e-mail) of the corrected reception??

Your image has been received fine :)

I'm trying to upload my zip file on the ftp, but when I go to the upload final image section, it says I have not uploaded a final image but it also says that I poste all wip's! How the heck do I upload the zip file? Please help!

You absolutely must use the filename that's been given to you to name the ZIP file, otherwise the system cannot find your upload.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-13-2005, 07:21 AM

Hi there. On my Challenge Page, if you click the image to go to the larger version, they are all listed as "3D entry by.. " I'm assuming that this is just a glitch, because I for sure entered the 2D portion of the Challenge, and on the main Challenge Page it's listed as 2D entries.

So, everything's cool, yes? Link to the enlarged submission below.

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/image.php?entry_id=42692 - larger version of an entry

thanks,
Adri Sakamoto

Mibus

05-13-2005, 08:10 AM

So, everything's cool, yes?

Oops, yup :)

I've fixed it now.

komaroml

05-13-2005, 10:10 AM

on page http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php
the END of the challenge is 19 May 2005!

It would be too late...:( I hope nobody miss the right date....

BlacKeri

05-13-2005, 02:26 PM

help help help pretty please! I need an answer to my question really FAST! Would anyone be so kind to reply?
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224022&page=1&pp=15
This is my entry.

Now, the rules state that one of the characters has to be human.
"Q: Does one of the characters in the Master and Servant relationship need to be human?
A: Yes - absolutely. One of the characters needs to be human - doesn't matter whether he/she is the master or servant."

I DO have a human (as a slave), but the human's legs are turning into stone. Now this is used for <b>plain symbolism</b> and it doesn't, in my eyes, take any humanity away from the human so uhh... does it qualify? Can I keep the runing into stone theme? >_>

Vectorius

05-13-2005, 02:34 PM

According to what I included/understood, one of the characters must appear like a humain..So, for example, that perhaps be a siren... if you see what I want to say...So i'm thinking that your male's caracter is good...:) ..he can be semi stone and semi human...

walrus

05-13-2005, 02:43 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't worry, Marta. He may be stoned, but he's clearly human. You can relax now... that is, after you finish your painting...! :-)

-mike

xric7

05-13-2005, 03:24 PM

he can breathe.so he has life!he's not a stone for sure.:buttrock:

BlacKeri

05-13-2005, 04:39 PM

Thanks for replying guys :D I hope it's okay really, if not then in the worst case I'll get disqualified ;P

alexfalchi

05-13-2005, 05:09 PM

Hello ...sorry I have a problem..
I have send my final image .TIFF in zip mode, in my ftp page..
but I don't have any freedback email:(
if I see into my ftp page I can not see nothing...and in my "submit final image" page I have this message :

You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge!

??? can you help me??

Sorry for my english and I hope you can help me.
Alex.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-13-2005, 06:02 PM

I would think that a "100 percent human" turning into stone would be no less qualified than one turning into a drug addict, etc. However, I would - and this is just me - be really sure about posting creatures that appear human, but are in fact, not.. i.e. the siren. That said, I'm not in charge of the contest, so it may be that they are looking for a good rendering of a human "form".. dunno.. I tend to try to follow contest rules to the absolute letter - or desperately try to. A human turning to stone would qualifiy.. I would think.

Anyway.. best of luck in the Challenge!
Adri

Addiso

05-13-2005, 11:14 PM

After uploading the final imagefor the 2D challenge, I updated the submit page as instructed.

There is a small thumbnail of the image I submited.

- the original image is in color, on the thumbnail its grayscale and cropped.

Is that normal, or should the thumb look exactly like the original ?

thx for your help.

spacesnail

05-14-2005, 02:31 PM

Hello

just a little question : i stoopidly erased the mail concerning the final upload.
Since i tried yesterday to upload the final file (about 47 megs), i didn't receive any confirmation. Is it normal ?

Sorry, but in the final rush, i feel each time like a shy newbie :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance for the answer

Samanthie

05-14-2005, 03:17 PM

Hi,

I have been working on coloring over my line art. I usually don't sketch out an entire scene. I get new ideas as I begin coloring. I add new elements to my base image. Is this ok or do I have to 'paint inside the lines'? I have added branches to my trees in the background and I've also added a flowing robe that drags on the ground over the lady on the horse in my image, which isn't there in the line drawing. Do I need to make a new line drawing that shows the flowing robe and new branches on the trees?

Thanks for your reply!

Morgy

05-14-2005, 09:13 PM

My question is about this "time left" indicator. My local time is 14.05.2005 , 22:53 now and the time that indicator shows to me is "4 days, 16 hours left". GMT is "Greenwich Mean Time" isn't it? Where is this 15-hours difference came from (I live in Bulgaria (GMT +2))? I had a lot of work these days and I'll need every hour to make a good finish of my entry. So, the question is- can I trust this indicator? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Mordalles

05-14-2005, 11:34 PM

im really confused with the final image uploading. should we upload it in the "submit entry" section asual, but upload the zipped tiff, and not the jpg as usual? and what does the ftp information mean, eg. hostname, username? where should i use this? please, could somebody help me, since i tried to upload my 2d pic, but after prob around 2,5 hours, nothing happened. i have a slow connection, and im afriad i might not be able to upload my final images. :sad:

Miyagu

05-15-2005, 07:47 PM

i uploaded my image per ftp and it seemed to work (the little image-thumbnail was ok)
now i´m waiting (a little desperate) for the confirmation email (if there is any to come)
:sad:

is there any to come? where can i check if it was submitted correctly? i want to be sure that everything is fine (or if i have to upload it again) :) thanks a lot!!! :thumbsup:

alexfalchi

05-15-2005, 07:49 PM

ok now I have upload my image:)....but waiting for freedback email me to:)

Alex.

fensterer

05-15-2005, 09:56 PM

Oops! I've uploade a test image to the ftp figuring I could see the file then delete it. Well I couldn't see it so there will be an extra image, Very small in file size and not the same image as my real entry. I hope you can remove it for me and I will be uploading the correct image this evening. Will this mess up my entry? I PM'ed Mibus about this but no response. I appreciate any feedback you can give me.

Thanks

xric7

05-16-2005, 02:41 AM

hello..everybody.:D
if somebody has a little time would u please help me to name my entry.(cause my Eng is very bad :blush::banghead: )thank u.:)

AdrielaSakamoto

05-16-2005, 04:35 AM

Could someone please tell me what "Final Coloring" is supposed to be? Is it the final stage before any tone or hue tweaking, or just what exactly? I am pretty much clueless.

Thank you,

Adri

Sagroth

05-16-2005, 08:49 AM

It seems that noone answers the questions anymore ;)

I'm dial-up user, so, is there any chance to upload final image RARed or at least TIF with LZW?

spacesnail

05-16-2005, 11:12 AM

AdrielaSakamoto : you're right, this is the pre-final image state, before any last tweaking like saturation modification or cropping...

Sagroth : referring to the guidelines, I think it would be against the rules not to zip your final iamge... I tried with a dial-up connection (in a previous challenge) and it took about 3 ours to upload a 18 megs Zip file !!! So prepare yourself and use a good FTP client software !
About the zip file itself, i think it's an automated process that decompress your file, extracts the pic and then post a thumbnail... So be patient while the upload an may the force be with you

xric7 : you have to go to the final submission page and follow the procedure :
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/final_image.php
then take care of the name you're given (something like 23669_56897) and zip your file, send it and that's done

fensterer : i think you can upload your picture until the end. Each upload will replace the previous one... But beware, i think you're just allowed to only upload a picture with minimal tweakings, no radical changes like flipped pic or major details addition

alexfalchi + dunkelgold : to know if you've correctly uploaded, just go to the final entry submission page, follow the steps, and if a thumbnail appears, that means you're correctly done

Mordalles : you should post a jpeg file in the "normal process" and submit your full definition Zipped TIFF then

Morgy : just beware of the final rush time... sorry it's not a very good answer, but if you want to avoid traffic jam, you should upload as soon as you've finished

Samanthie : since i've worked the same way, i would answer that it doesn't matter. The creation process is so weird, erratic, close to human thinking... so if you're not a robot (or some kind of evolved printer, he he) you can't predict all the details and changes you're going to paint... I hope this help you a little

Cheers and good luck to you all

And sorry Mr Mibus for taking your job during this post :shrug: I hope you'll don't mind, and didn't give wrong answers

Manu

Sagroth

05-16-2005, 11:49 AM

Sagroth : referring to the guidelines, I think it would be against the rules not to zip your final iamge... I tried with a dial-up connection (in a previous challenge) and it took about 3 ours to upload a 18 megs Zip file !!! So prepare yourself and use a good FTP client software !
About the zip file itself, i think it's an automated process that decompress your file, extracts the pic and then post a thumbnail... So be patient while the upload an may the force be with you
Thanks for the answer. I just wasn't inside final image submission form and read only rules, where nothing about ZIP is told.

That's not a prob for me to spend couple of hours uploading, but I fear disconnects and other stuff :(

Mnolocon

05-16-2005, 12:25 PM

i was just wondering if sme one could tell me if it ok to use someones rough concepts as insperation of there own to
use as there own entry as someone has done this to me. i have not chose that concept however i chose another out of the four i had but noticed someone ditched there early ideas to come up with one that i posted 3 months before theres. dont want to kill the mood i was just a bit bothered by it but no harm done.

spacesnail

05-16-2005, 12:52 PM

Fullluminance :

In my humble opinion, it's not fair to use another people's work (whereas it is completely finished or it is just a rough sketch). If someone just gets inspiration of your own art, there shouldn't be any harm if it's radically different in form, shape, technic... After all there is no monopole on the ideas... But if it's just to plagiarize, now there's a big problem.

That's why all images posted on CGTALK are copyrighted (from rough sketches to finished work)

Even if it doesn't harm you, the "artist" inspired by your work should have, at least, asked you if it doesn't mind you.

Sorry for the bad english writing

I hope this does help a little

Cheers and good luck with your entrie

Manu

alexfalchi

05-16-2005, 02:43 PM

edit this message....sorry

Alex.

mecman

05-16-2005, 02:53 PM

Edited!! stupid question :D

AdrielaSakamoto

05-16-2005, 04:07 PM

Thanks SpaceSnail!

As to taking a concept: How closely does the new work follow yours? If it's close, that's stealing and I have read the community does not tolerate it. To do it in a challenge is just ridiculous.

crowley

05-16-2005, 09:14 PM

Err, blank edit. Sorry, that *was* a stupid question... :blush:

Morgy

05-17-2005, 12:08 AM

I'm still waiting an answer for the "can I trust this "time indicator""question. I even don't want to know why my time will end at 3:00 PM on 19th of May. Just an answer like "yes" or "no" will be enough.:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Spacesnail, thank you for the information about the "rush hour":thumbsup:

Mibus

05-17-2005, 01:19 AM

First up, we've decided to push the deadline back a bit, so that instead of ending midnight GMT, we say it ends "midnight", and there's 12 hours grace to allow for people in varying timezones.

The countdown timer is the final decider in who gets in and who doesn't, if ever in doubt use the countdown timer.

spacesnail: It's encouraged to have other people answer FAQs, especially on weekends. (Yesterday was also a public holiday here, which didn't help! :))

I'm just going to expand a bit here:

Sagroth: Only ZIP is "allowed". You may or may not have success with LZW'd TIFFs, I can't guarantee either way. (In the worst case scenario, if you let me know you've uploaded it and it hasn't worked, I can download, save it out again, and re-upload for you).

fensterer: No, you can't see any files in the FTP. You can safely upload over the top of FTP'd images, but you'll only ever get the first confirmation.

alexfalchi: The confirmation emails are only partly automated. They'll be getting sent out very soon.

dunkelgold: Confirmation emails are still partly manual, I'll send them out momentarily. If your thumbnail is fine, it's fine.

Mordalles: The ZIPped TIFF must be submitted through FTP using the details given to you. The JPEG milestone goes into the normal "Submit Entry" page.

Morgy: Yes :)

spacesnail: Confirmations coming soon. If you see your thumbnail, you're OK though.

Addiso: That's normally a side-effect of uploading an image with multiple layers or channels. Re-upload with RGB and nothing else (no alpha or anything) and you should be OK.

alexfalchi: It looks like you've worked it out, for everyone else you absolutely must use the provided filename, otherwise your upload will never be found!

Morgy

05-17-2005, 01:32 AM

Thank you very much, Mibus, these "extra" hours will save my life.:love:

Miyagu

05-17-2005, 02:44 AM

thanks mibus! i just received the confirmation mail! :)

alexfalchi

05-17-2005, 07:54 AM

Hello Mibus, really thanks you for the freedback. I have resolved the problem now , i think is ok becouse I have receved my email :) Sorry for this but my english is no very well...I no understand a lot:)

thanks you again Alex.

ciao:)

HoangNguyen

05-17-2005, 08:45 AM

I've uploaded my zip file to the ftp://challenge.cgnetworks.com and it seems to copy the file over. But when I did a refresh on my FTP Submission Istill get the message You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge!

Please help!

cabertevon

05-17-2005, 09:54 AM

HoangNguyen:

Meaning you have not completed your milestone. You must upload your final image (150kb-.jpg not the Tiff/Zip image) on the usual manner. After which go back to the FTP page and upload your Final (Tiff/Zip) image.

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

RUBYWORKS

05-17-2005, 12:31 PM

12 EXTRA HOURS !

HOHO! I CANT Believe it - thanks God » And thank you all CgNet Staff !!

i FAlled asleep last night .. and i shoul be here working ..

QUESTION PLZ :

Sooo that means that for Guideline of how mani hOurs Left we just go to the page :

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/submit_entry.php

And that its the absolutly Right Countdown ?

Right now its says to me Time left: 2 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes, 1 seconds.
Both in firefox and iexplorer .. and i got my pcdate fine here ...

Here in portugal its almost 1.00 pm 17 may !

Its this count down absolutly right ?

» That means that for this side will end exactly like 19 may 13 pm ?

Its this realy Truth ?

well THANKS ANYWAY ..

With more 12 hour at least in front of this junk of pc will give me all i need to at least finished the art work ..
Well i started 25 aprill anyway .. and iv been everyday & night trying hard and my best here in all senses for this ..

THANKYOU So much !

Sincerely !

ms@zx

05-17-2005, 12:52 PM

hi moderators,i think i have a problem.
i received this link:http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/final_image.php (javascript:ol('http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/final_image.php');)

when i log in,it leads me to my own address page and where should i submit my final tiff image?someone mentioned that one must zip their file?some have the ftp link after log in..but i dont..please help~
thank u :)
my email address is :szxmiko@hotmail.com

HoangNguyen

05-17-2005, 06:32 PM

Thanks you cabertevon for you reply, but I've already submitted the final image, http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=233276

but it still say that You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge!

Please help, I'm running out of time.

FTP Submission [/b]Istill get the message [i]You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge! Please help!]

AdrielaSakamoto

05-17-2005, 08:14 PM

Greetings,

I have to redo my floor *again*, and am running out of time here, like eleventy nine others, I assume. Question: If I take a digital photograph, am I allowed to use it? Or portions of it? I searched the forum for "photograph" and nothing came up, so my apologies if this was answered and I missed it.

Second question: I'm using Corel PhotoPaint 8. Am I allowed to use the programs textures, randomly generated terrain stuff, or do I have to continue hand drawing in the textures?

Yes, I'm a stupid noob.. My drawing hand thanks you in advance.

Best,

Adri

NOOB!

05-17-2005, 09:06 PM

how exactly is the voting gunna work? i've never actually taken part in the voting part b4.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-17-2005, 11:57 PM

Alrighty then! Taking that as a no, so I'll just press on here creating textures out of light and electricity..:)

I'm having so much fun..
Adri

M477

05-18-2005, 12:11 AM

Another N00Bish question I'm afraid (No offence NOOB!)

I'm in the middle of FTP upload of my final image - but named it

65260_85999.zip.zip

curse copy and paste! So my file is .zip.zip Is this likely to cause a problem somewhere down the line?

:shrug:

Thanking you

6foot5

05-18-2005, 01:05 AM

need spme clarification of the deadline for submission, the entry form says 1 day 12 hours as of posting this message, (about 01:01 in england) this seems to take us into the 19th in every time zone, pls try and reply quickly as possible ,i need to know this. thank you.

Mibus

05-18-2005, 01:23 AM

HoangNguyen: It seems you've solved your problem, well done :)

RUBYWORKS: Yes, the countdown timer is authorative.

ms@zx: Enter your address and click "Submit" (or "Next"?), then you'll be given the FTP details.

NOOB!: There is no public voting for the M&S challenge.
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/judging.php

M477: I'll take care of it.

6'5: The idea is that everyone will have the 18th finished for them before it closes. Trust the countdown timer! :)

Rudeone

05-18-2005, 03:33 AM

I've uploaded my zip file to the ftp://challenge.cgnetworks.com (ftp://challenge.cgnetworks.com/) and it seems to copy the file over. But when I did a refresh on my FTP Submission Istill get the message You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge!

Please help!

Allright what did he do to get it right cause the same thing is happening to me, just don't do nothing and it works automaticly?

Mibus

05-18-2005, 03:40 AM

Rudeone: Are you sure you're using the right filename? If you are, email me - robert@ballisticmedia.net - with your info, and I'll help you sort it out.

HoangNguyen

05-18-2005, 04:28 AM

Hey Rudeone,

I mispelled the zipfile name, so it didn't go through. Basically, I copy and paste the file name with the .zip extension and it didn't work. Once it was fixed the file went through.

Rudeone

05-18-2005, 04:54 AM

problem solved, thank you very much HoangNguyen:thumbsup:

6foot5

05-18-2005, 05:37 AM

thanks for the swift reply, just pls bear with me for a little longer, the counter now says 1day, 7hours left..this equals 31hours right, thats how it works? or does that just mean 7 hours??

thanks,

Mibus

05-18-2005, 05:40 AM

It means one day and seven hours, not just seven hours :)

6foot5

05-18-2005, 05:47 AM

on the submit entry page counter..
1 day, 7 hours = 31 hours, am i right?

and the counter is right for me, so i can purely go by that?

im sorry to go on about this, i just need to be absolutely sure!
its just that i need to get some sleep some time soon.
thanks.

Mibus

05-18-2005, 06:02 AM

1 x 24 + 7 = 31, so yes - 31 hours :)

Go purely by the counter, the counter is always right :)

6foot5

05-18-2005, 06:11 AM

thank you for confirming that!

Phew, panic over, to be resumed tomorrow. ive got a little longer than i thought.

might even risk lying down for a little shut eye.....no, on second thoughts, more coffee.

:)

jugeras

05-18-2005, 06:16 AM

help!?

its 18th of may in singapore. sob. sob. but the counter for the submission is "western time" which gives me a day++ for submission. AM I CORRECT? should i follow the counter?

jugeras

05-18-2005, 06:21 AM

sorry. browsed through the thread. ILL FOLLOW THE COUNTER!!!

monsitj

05-18-2005, 06:50 AM

Hello mibus! it seem I have to talk to you when every challenge end:):love:I finished upload my 3d entry on the first day u put upload final button in entry page , but now I dont' have confirm email , I upload my 2d too , and my2d email confirm is already sent to me ,
so can u check my 3d entry is it ok? thumbnail is ok , just to make sure it works,
and another question is , image that submit via entry page(low rez) seem to be sharpen filtered, is the image in voting process and judgement the same as the one in submit entry or the one that generate from zip file ??

thanks in advance MIBUS!:buttrock:

arLutiK

05-18-2005, 07:14 AM

Monsit my 3d confirmation took a few days to arrive.

Mibus

05-18-2005, 07:27 AM

monsitj: I know why. If the thumbnail is OK, it's fine, I'll sort it out soon.

arlutik: That's because you probably submitted it right before the weekend, the email process isn't quite automated :)

ilusiondigital

05-18-2005, 08:36 AM

Hi. leonard:

One question: I submit my final image is 1600x2048 px 300 dpi, is a correct image or is too small.

Thanks

flyingP

05-18-2005, 08:39 AM

we were supposed to get a confirmation email? :curious: ....ahh never mind my thumbnail seems to be OK at any rate :)

pwallin

05-18-2005, 09:47 AM

Damn! I uploaded final JPG to a normal way and it's ok, but zipped TIFF has problems. I went to a ftp -site by typing its address to a IE address bar, logged in and dragged my Zip-file to a window. It took about 11 minutes to transfer and when I updated Final image page as it suggests It still says I haven't uploaded my final image. What's going on? I saw similar case a few pages before but did I screw my uploading really?

Pasi

pwallin

05-18-2005, 10:10 AM

Gorget my problem. I Made same mistake as someone earlier. It was all naming problem due to heavy stress I think...

Pasi

authentic

05-18-2005, 10:44 AM

Just a little tiny problem. When I submit my final image (not the bog one, just the jpg), instead of write the title of my picture in the title box I have written a comment as I have done in wip. So I wrote it's finished or something like. The good title would be : "my best friend is 50 yeras older than me".
So is it a problem. Do I have to repost my final image with good title. Or it doesn't matter at all ?

And so for the story. I've put it in the next thread instead of the challenge page...

BaronImpossible

05-18-2005, 01:14 PM

I uploaded about 10 days ago but haven't received any confirmation email.

jsn

05-18-2005, 02:44 PM

Why does it say, I have more than 22 hrs left?

jsn

05-18-2005, 02:48 PM

Oh well, judging by some previous Q's and A's, the timer is correct, ey? :applause:

Aradiael

05-18-2005, 03:03 PM

probably a stupid question but....
ok, I understood the ftp filename must be the one given to us, but does this mean even the tiff file inside the Zip needs to have the same name?
I have just renamed my zip file, but the tiff still has the name i gave to it and I don't know if the automated process works only for the zip file or for everything. o_O

I'm actually uploading in an internet cafè and I would prefer not to be wrong if I can....

Feeblepenguin

05-18-2005, 05:27 PM

Hello, i uploaded my final tiff, and everything apears to be fine, an i see the image that apears in the "submit final image" window generated from the tiff image.

my question is: when i click on the generated image thumbnail, it opens a image in a new window that is full screen. the final image that i submitted however is a much higher resolution than that. the image that is being displayed is about half the size.

is this just because a smaller image size is generated off the tiff for previewing and checking purposes? or did some how my final tiff image get down rezed?

thanks
Ali

TomHamlyn

05-18-2005, 05:51 PM

ftp no problem...final image appears to have uploaded without incident...do we get a confirmation email?

Goro

05-18-2005, 06:29 PM

I uploaded my final tiff two times cause I changed the pic just after my upload.
I recieved a confirmation mail only for the first one.
Thumbnail worked ok for the first and the second.
Now I went back to the Final image page to check if everything is ok but now I get a red cross instead of a thumbnail and if I click on the red cross the image behind doesn't appear either.

So now I'm thinking if my file was uploaded correctly....should I jsut try to upload again?

Goro

05-18-2005, 07:05 PM

ok my bad!
My firewall was blocking those images....don't know why....strange things happening here...

Sorry!

azreal_hymn

05-18-2005, 07:06 PM

Ho, having trouble connecting to the ftp site. Using GlobalSCAPE and it kept on saying control connection closed. is there any other ways i can upload the file? or any better ftp program?

azreal_hymn

05-18-2005, 07:19 PM

Ok, it seems to be goin ok now. sigh...what a relief

Rudeone

05-18-2005, 08:16 PM

Maybe a really dumb question, but are you allowed to make changes after you uploaded your final image and then upload your new update? On the submission page it says that you need to refresh every time after you uploaded a new tiff file, so I guess you should be able to upload updates as long as the challenge lasts, and if you're allowed does that mean you need to update your WIP files?

Another question: when I click the thumbnail of the final image a new window opens, but I don't get to see the image, the thumbnail seems to be ok though.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-18-2005, 09:12 PM

I'm on Pacific time.. it's 1:10. My counter is showing fifteen hours.. If we are supposed to go by the counter, how am I getting extra hours? I was under the impression the challenge ended at midnight, whatever time zone you were in on the 18th.

I'm tired, so may not be thinking clearly. I'd love the extra time, but afraid if the counter's not right.. well, it's too horrible to contemplate..

Ludal

05-18-2005, 09:32 PM

Hello!

I have a little problem:
I upload my final image in a zip file on the ftp.
When I go to the page I can see the preview, and when I click on it I can see my image.
BUT, there is an error message under the thumbnail... :

If this image is not correct, please try refreshing your browser. If that does not work, try uploading it again!

What is the problem ??

Thx a lot!

bowditch

05-18-2005, 09:51 PM

Rudeone

05-18-2005, 09:59 PM

I am trying to upload my zip file with the zip number you have allocated for the file. I make the zip file on a pc, and send it with my Mac since I have a broad band connection on it. I get the connection, upload the file but don't get a confirmation email nor do I see the thumnail of it arrive on your site! And it continues to tell me that I have yet to send the final image! What do you suggest?

Thank you, Marc

Don't copy paste the full zip number, leave the .zip extension out of it cause your file is allready named .zip, if you do copy paste the full zip number it's called: (number).zip.zip and that doesn't work. I had that problem, don't know if this is your problem aswell.

bowditch

05-18-2005, 10:06 PM

Don't copy paste the full zip number, leave the .zip extension out of it cause your file is allready named .zip, if you do copy paste the full zip number it's called: (number).zip.zip and that doesn't work. I had that problem, don't know if this is your problem aswell.

Thanks very much for your quick response, but I foresaw that problem and have double checked it ... no .zip.zip files and no cut and pasting ... I manage to up load, the file goes into the window, and then just sits there after about 3 minutes of loading ... I am using fetch on the mac, what should I use on a pc and where to get it?

Thanks again!

bowditch

05-18-2005, 10:19 PM

AdrielaSakamoto

05-18-2005, 10:36 PM

I'm using WS-FTP Pro. I have no idea where we got it, but you could probably google it and go from there.. best of luck!

6foot5

05-18-2005, 10:39 PM

pls , my hair plugin has go haywire(no pun intended), would it be alright to 'paint' in the hair in the post stage in Photoshop?????????????????

pls answer soon

thank u

Panupat

05-19-2005, 01:18 AM

Because of the slow connection, my frist upload was failed and only top half of image shows up. However when i tried to upload again, it says permission denied. How can I re-upload my image?

demonicoz

05-19-2005, 01:54 AM

I've been trying to upload my final Tiff for over 2 hours. I've read all the threads followed all instructions, just cant seem to understand whats going wrong. Everytime i check it says
You have not yet uploaded a final image for this challenge!

Somebody please help me!

julius27

05-19-2005, 02:06 AM

demonicoz

05-19-2005, 02:09 AM

AT LAST! Praise the Lord its done, I can now go to bed happily, My Tiff has finally gone through. Thankyou to all and goodluck!

Mibus

05-19-2005, 02:11 AM

authentic: It doesn't matter :)

Baron Impossible: It was probably spam-filtered, you're marked as "OK".

Aradiael: The file inside has no naming restrictions, only the ZIP.

Feeblepenguin: The larger preview is resized to fit into an 800x800 box

Tom Hamlyn: You should, but our automated emails get filtered regularly by ISPs - you're marked as OK, so as long as your thumbnail is good, you're good :). (Thanks for the PM too!)

Goro: You'll only get one confirmation email - after that, it's up to you :)

Rudeone: Your larger image looks fine to me :). You can upload updates until the challenge closes.

AdrielaSakamoto: The challenge was originally set to end at midnight GMT - "midnight everywhere" is a 12-hour extension on that.

Ludal: That's not an error message. It says that if the image is wrong, try again. If the image is OK, then it's fine to ignore the message.

bowditch: You seem to have gotten it sorted :)

6'5: Sure, it'd just be considered a "post-effect".

Panupat: You're not marked as being in the challenge...

Rudeone

05-19-2005, 02:13 AM

same thing for me!!

is there any problem??

I have it too, well I guess everybody does cause I think it's there to tell you what to do when there is in fact a problem with your thumb. So no problem I guess:)

edit: ow sorry, I was writing this reply before you posted mibus. ignore this one:)

AdrielaSakamoto

05-19-2005, 03:20 AM

Thanks for taking time out of what is probably an insane day to answer questions, Mibus. I will happily follow my counter's time tick-down. This means I can stop for dinner.. yay!

Adri

jsn

05-19-2005, 05:02 AM

I don' t know how to upload the final large image!:banghead:

Now I' m going to work and probably be home 1 min late :cry:

malcolmvexxed

05-19-2005, 05:26 AM

"AdrielaSakamoto: The challenge was originally set to end at midnight GMT - "midnight everywhere" is a 12-hour extension on that."

oh lol i didn't realize i had until midnight my time lol. In that case... i'll put some finishing touches on it. thanks

Ludal

05-19-2005, 05:45 AM

yes thx men!

So all is ok now :thumbsup:

userBrian

05-19-2005, 05:59 AM

I'm trying to figure out how to post my final tiff. I did it before with the Grand Space Opera but I do not remember how. I have Stuffit deluxe. Do I need to enter an url? What is the url I should use?
OK, I got the address problem, just add FTP instead of http. Wow that was a sweat.Thanks.
Now the problem is how to compress my file into a zip file. Stuffit delux has all kinds of #@%^^& junk it says it can do, but I can't find out how to just zip a file!:scream:

AdrielaSakamoto

05-19-2005, 06:16 AM

Well, Malcom.. I am running on Pacific time. It's 10:13 now, which means less than 2 hours til my midnight. However, my counter as of this moment is reading:

6 hrs. 47 minutes and change.

Mibus has said several times that the counter is the accurate count. So. I still don't really understand how it's calculated, but if the counter is what we should be following, then I have seven hours left. Which doesn't make sense to me, but little does at this late hour.. :) I hope your challenge entry is going well.

best to all of you.. I feel as if we should go out and have coffee and two a.m. breakfast at Dennys.

Adri

Mibus

05-19-2005, 06:22 AM

The timer is counting down until noon GMT on the 19th.

Brian, head here:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/final_image.php

Enter your username, password, select your challenge. Enter your address stuff and click through to the next page.

There you'll get a hostname, username, password, and filename.

Use stuffit to compress your TIFF into a ZIP file (not an stx or anything, a ZIP). Use the Finder, Fetch, or other FTP software to connect to the hostname given to you in the last step - you'll need the username and password too. Upload your ZIP file, return to the Submit Final Image URL I gave you at the start of the post. Enter your details again, and you should see a thumbnail of your image!

(The URL you're thinking of was probably from a BSW submission for EXPOSE' or something?)

userBrian

05-19-2005, 06:34 AM

Mibus-

Yes, I am logged onto the ftp site. The only problem I have is trying to figure out how to zip a file in #*&@&%# stuffit deluxe! It has too much #&%^ so it doesn't tell you how to just compress a zip file!:scream:
OK I remembered- just right click on the file and follow the links to zip it! Now why doesn't it say .zip?
I soooo wish you would list the Hostname as ftp://challenge.cgnetworks.com (ftp://challenge.cgnetworks.com/) instead of as
only challenge.cgnetworks.com you can't believe what a long sweat it is for me to get that.:scream: I add http instead of ftp! HaHa! Did it again!:bounce:Sorry but I only ever zipped a file for a challenge! Never used zip other than that one time.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-19-2005, 06:38 AM

Okay, in real simple terms.. is the counter what we use,

or

does this end at midnight on the 18th, whereever we are in the world.

I figure I can understand yes or no better than I can try to figure out what you mean, and it looks like I'm not the only one confused at this eleventh hour.

thx,

Adri

Mibus

05-19-2005, 06:58 AM

The counter is what will automatically close the entries, so always always always listen to the counter.

Brian, did you use DropStuff in the end last time?

There's a dropdown in this screenshot:
http://www.stuffit.com/mac/standard/images/screen_process.jpg

(Currently set to "Stuffit X").

I'm pretty sure that can be changed to "ZIP" or something... if you don't use the DropStuff thing, there should be a similar option in what you do use.

userBrian

05-19-2005, 07:09 AM

Mibus- I don't have any Drop Stuff.
I sent the zip file, but I forgot to rename it with the number. So I renamed it after it was sent. On the ftp page. Is that good enough or should I resend it with the number name?
WoW! What an idiot question!
Answer: Yes, because my thumbnail is in the FTP submit page. So you can just rename it on the FTP page, you don't have to re submit it. I guess i'm good for something...OK I paniced but it is twenty to midnight here.

Mibus

05-19-2005, 07:47 AM

Brian, good to see you got it :)

komaroml

05-19-2005, 09:01 AM

:eek: This is a rule or not? Why not unambiguous everything?

"DEADLINE
All entries must be submitted by Midnight at the end of 18 May 2005 (GMT). No late entries will be accepted. Note that depending on your local timezone, challenge submissions may end earlier for you. There is a "time left" indicator on each of the pages listed above, check them if you are unsure. Good Luck!
The CGNetworks Crew"

This is from the "Master and Servant Challenge ending soon!" letter.
I do not think 19 May is the same then 18 May. Deadline is the meaning of its own. It is my oppinion but I never get more time in my life if I agreed with it before. Challange Rule 7. said the same. Why is possible upload late if it would not be accepted? Or would? What do they think who upload late? They get this instruction here in the forum. Is it correct with them or the others? Read before posting rules 3. second sentence. :sad:

Laszlo Komaromi

pwallin

05-19-2005, 09:21 AM

:eek: This is a rule or not? Why not unambiguous everything?

I think they can change rules at they will for obvious reason because they are "Masters" and we are just humble "Servants" ;)

I think that moving deadline as it's now is a good thing even if I could knew that before I would get much better image and not to hurry as I had to... :(

When I saw this "deadline adjustment" it was too late for me to do changes I needed. Just some tiny things because of rendering times.

I think more important thing would be if they slip for they rules again when judgin images as they did with last competition :( I mean that rules said image must be original and not typical...and the winner was clearily not original idea, far from it!

So this time I am afraid they choose a winner which is not very original but technically nice (opposite what rules define). :(

Pasi

grooshka

05-19-2005, 09:50 AM

hi. I've uploaded my TIFF image to ftp and I see its thumbnail on final_image submission page. the only problem is i didn't recive any confirmation e-mail and I heard such mails are sent. just wanted to make sure everything is OK. is it?

thanks.

pwallin

05-19-2005, 09:56 AM

AdrielaSakamoto

05-19-2005, 10:54 AM

Will someone please point me to the final submission thumbnail page? I have no idea where to check to see if the file transfer went through. I know it went SOMEWHERE, lol...

Best,

Adri

pwallin

05-19-2005, 12:08 PM

Will someone please point me to the final submission thumbnail page? I have no idea where to check to see if the file transfer went through. I know it went SOMEWHERE, lol...

Best,

Adri

It's the same page where you got info for sending your file. If you update that page thumbnail should come visible.

Pasi

grooshka

05-19-2005, 12:29 PM

Do not worry, my e-mail came after long time I posted my image. :)

Pasi
thanx pwallin.

6foot5

05-19-2005, 12:39 PM

HELP! im in a desperate panic, ive come top upload my final tiff image and i read an email had been sent to me outlining what i need to do??? idont have that email??? i dont know whether i recieve dit, i recieved about a hundred cgtalk emails a day and deleted a lot of them thinking they were just thread subscriptions!

im sitting here with 20mins to go, with my tiff, what do i do?

PLeas read this quickly and help
thanks

pwallin

05-19-2005, 12:45 PM

TheFirstAngel

05-19-2005, 12:50 PM

server was too busy and now sais its closed, toimer still shows 14 minutes!!! cant upload my final!!! heeeeeeeelp!!!

pwallin

05-19-2005, 12:53 PM

server was too busy and now sais its closed, toimer still shows 14 minutes!!! cant upload my final!!! heeeeeeeelp!!!

Calm down. Wait just one minute and try to send it again.

Pasi

pwallin

05-19-2005, 01:00 PM

I am very sorry if some of you did not get their image uploaded. Then again in the rules it clearly says "avoid last minute rush". That actually do not mean "last" minute, but should be understood as "last minutes" or even "last hour".

BTW, I do not belong to a CG-staff, just a competitor myself so do not blame me for this :)

Pasi

6foot5

05-19-2005, 01:00 PM

pwallin

05-19-2005, 01:06 PM

please, my file is being uploaded now, is it ok?? is it up,loading to the correct place are you seeing it at aall? not ised to using ftp software, pls let me know, im using someone elses connection and computer here, thank u very much pwallin

I am not a moderator or belong to CG-stuff, just trying to help desperate souls in last minutes, but go to same page where you got your info about how to submit and refresh that page. There should be a thumbnail visible.

I think they closed completely, so it may not work to go that page, but try it.

Pasi

OliveBeard

05-19-2005, 01:10 PM

pwallin

05-19-2005, 01:17 PM

Can I get some kind of special dispensation, or is all my work null and void now? I looked for a specific statement of WHEN submissions closed (i.e. May 18th @ 23:59GMT) and had only that counter to go by. Then @ 5 minutes it tells me its not taking submission anymore? I was about to submit it w/ an hour an 10, and decided that I'd use all that extra time to do a few more touchups!

Argh.

It was unclear to me also, so in case I submitted yesterday. I also submitted two times because first one did not get through and I also made corrections. It's always good to send your first final in case that something happens and you can't upload anymore. That way you still have at least one image already submitted.

Sorry if you do not get your image through.

Pasi

mosconariz

05-19-2005, 01:37 PM

me 2 http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=2303463#post2303463
and it appears to me 12 minutes before deadline... :cry:

NOOB!

05-19-2005, 01:47 PM

I didn't read anywhere about a specific end to this contest (just said "May 18th") and I kept an eye on that submission counter...

...now, I shouldn't have push it down to the wire, but what the heck is this:

http://webpages.charter.net/jbielanski/CG_WTF.jpg

Can I get some kind of special dispensation, or is all my work null and void now? I looked for a specific statement of WHEN submissions closed (i.e. May 18th @ 23:59GMT) and had only that counter to go by. Then @ 5 minutes it tells me its not taking submission anymore? I was about to submit it w/ an hour an 10, and decided that I'd use all that extra time to do a few more touchups!

Argh.

hey beard,just wanna say,allota people seemed to get that issue,but in a sense,it wudn't have mattered if u did get in,because it usaully take 10-20 mins to upload ur piece to the ftp,so u wud never have made it anyway.

man i'm dissapointed allota cool entries didn't make it.

i guess thats why they say don't leave it to the last minute.

but keep ur head up guys,theres always next time.

Fred76

05-19-2005, 02:06 PM

...i had problems too with submission :sad: ... i couldn't access to the submit_entry page a few minutes before the deadline while i would have time to submit all my images if i could access ...

TheFirstAngel

05-19-2005, 02:09 PM

25 mins before server was too busy, tried and tried. 17 mins i gotten a window. on 14 or so tried to submit. and again anda again. write mibus. ask again. maybe he grants you an extra. best of luck

Art2

05-19-2005, 02:32 PM

6foot5

05-19-2005, 03:00 PM

oh dear god! i cant see my thumbnail! please can someone let me know if they have my entry?

OliveBeard

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

My apologies...I was a little cranky from my original post. Yes, I shoulda thought ahead...oh well, it was wortht the attempt. Thanx a lot guys!

NOOB!

05-19-2005, 04:16 PM

well a heads up for next time will be to listen to everyone when they say don't aim for the last day of the challenge.WORST DAY EVER! HEHEH

really sorry to hear u guys couldn't make it,better luck next time!! hopefully there will be a public vote next time too!

AdrielaSakamoto

05-19-2005, 04:50 PM

Hmm. well, I closed out the CGSociety site when I ftp'd, so have no idea which thumbnail would have come up to say.. "bingo!" That said, I see in the View Entries forum, "Final Image:, so I am assuming that my ftp went through. Yay!

Mibus, you are the pinnacle of patience. Thanks for all your help.

Adri

demonicoz

05-19-2005, 07:08 PM

Just had a thunk, when will the announce the winners? In all the rush I completely forgot about that! Anybody have any idea?

Anyway can't wait for the next challenge, gonna get in early this time (heh heh).
Good luck to us all!

pwallin

05-19-2005, 07:32 PM

Just had a thunk, when will the announce the winners?
Good luck to us all!

I know it, and I already know who won...but not going to tell anyone.

Pasi

demonicoz

05-19-2005, 07:39 PM

You do? I am truly impressed, you must be the insider (heh heh). No seriously though, when is the official date for the announcement of winners. I'm seriously curious...

pwallin

05-19-2005, 07:41 PM

I don't know if this has been addressed before, but I have a question.

It says that the final image in your wipthread should have a size of 150kb.

And yet there are people able to post images larger than this size (179kb for instance)
I tried to do this too, thought that it was allowed for the final image, but I got a warning that my filesize was too big. How is this possible? I like to know for future references, thanks.

I think this site is not moderated or organized too well if something like this is really happening, especially in a competition.

Also, there is a really poor instructions how to submit final images and verify if they are sent. Especially when you are in a heavy stress (like we are after hard work) and it's easy for us to make errors or not think clearly.

Pasi

pwallin

05-19-2005, 07:44 PM

You do? I am truly impressed, you must be the insider (heh heh). No seriously though, when is the official date for the announcement of winners. I'm seriously curious...

I think about a month...that's what I remember from previous competition, but I am not sure 'cos I did not enter that competition and checked this site now and then.

pasi

mmoir

05-19-2005, 08:06 PM

I think about a month...that's what I remember from previous competition, but I am not sure 'cos I did not enter that competition and checked this site now and then.

pasi

I am guessing it will take less time than previous times to judge because this time there will be no public voting which will save some time. Can't remember how long it took the last time , I think it was 2 weeks or something

mmoir

05-19-2005, 08:22 PM

I just checked the timeframe for the GSO challenge. That contest closed Jan 18/19 and the winners were announced Feb 13 or 14 . So a little under a month for the last contest, they had 5 or 6 days of public voting which wont be needed this time.
Anyways, good luck to everyone.

arLutiK

05-20-2005, 03:10 AM

I'd like to wish good luck to everyone.

pixelkeg

05-20-2005, 03:32 AM

We all worked very hard and produced some amazing artwork. Good luck to everyone.

Also, please check out my thread! If the number of "Views" is a factor, I've lost for sure, lol.

:buttrock::applause:

=pK=

Kanga

05-20-2005, 03:54 AM

.......
Also, there is a really poor instructions how to submit final images and verify if they are sent. Especially when you are in a heavy stress......

I thought everything was pretty clear,... I found the instructions much improved. As far as uploading,... this time I did it from a very fast connection and a good FTP app,.. I got verification with a preview in about 60 seconds.

If you are new to uploading and have a slow connection it can be a bit nerve racking.

BTW saw great stuff from everyone on this one (even the 2d guys and gals ha ha)
Good luck to all of us and thanx cgtalk for another ripping adventure :beer:.

Mibus

05-20-2005, 05:59 AM

komaroml, pwallin: The deadline change was made about a week ago, so as to avoid the confusion that we've had in previous challenges with people not realising that the deadline was in a different timezone to them. Future challenges are likely to begin and end with the deadline "end of midnight everywhere" as this one ended with.

grooshka: Your image uploaded fine - http://cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=6896

the1st_angel, OliveBeard, mosconariz, Fred76, everyone else who had trouble in the last 15 minutes of challenge time:
There was a problem for many people submitting in the last 15 minutes of the challenge. If you attempted to submit in those 15 minutes (and those 15 only!), email me (robert@ballisticmedia.net) with your username, WIP image and text, and I will upload it.

pwallin: Who do you work for? :)

6'5: I don't see it. What did you name the file?

Art2: The images you see have been processed (the black copyright bar added, etc.) - that's what makes up the difference.

Adriela: Actually, the "View Entries" thing doesn't show FTP'd stuff. Yours is still registered as having gone through though.

demonicoz: It really depends on how long it takes for the jury to get back to us with their answers.

It'll probably be Monday when the final set of entries get displayed - we've had 70% more completed entries than GSO, which is one of the things that's caused trouble! I'll post back here when it's up.

pwallin

05-20-2005, 06:15 AM

komaroml, pwallin: The deadline change was made about a week ago.

Really? I noticed it just a day before first deadline...oh dear.

pwallin: Who do you work for? :)

No-one at the moment, but I think I will get some work from "Dark Side" ;).

It was first time for me to do this competition and I feel what many of us "first timers" feel. I was lucky to "be on time". Actually I tried to be sure I can submit my image early and send it day before deadline, but in the next morning I noticed it did not gone through, so I fought about two hours that morning to understand how to really submit it. That experience led me to help other "first timers" as much as possible in the last minutes.

Pasi

komaroml

05-20-2005, 06:43 AM

Thanks Mibus but I think challengers are adults who can care the deadline if it is given in GMT or PDT or any others. I do not think it is SO difficult....:sad: It means the same all around the world...

pejot

05-20-2005, 08:16 AM

Hello!

If this image is not correct, please try refreshing your browser. If that does not work, try uploading it again!

What is the problem ??

There's no problem, don't worry :)
"IF this image is not correct" but it's correct, right? :D

edit:
grrrr... didn't read all threads, sorry :argh:

Mibus

05-20-2005, 08:42 AM

pwallin: Aw, come on, you can tell me! ;)

komaroml: Unfortunately, enough people missed the "GMT" at the end of the time that it became difficult.

One of the biggest problem challengers have faced (other than creating their masterpieces! :)) is FTP - quite a few challengers use FTP for the first time in order to submit their TIFF to us. It's unfortunate that there isn't a better way to submit large images! Of course, it's always good to know FTP - TDs in the office that I work at* have to FTP stuff daily, since they do so much work for outside of the country.

* Ballistic shares it's office with CGCharacter (http://www.cgcharacter.com/).

(o)ne

05-20-2005, 09:14 AM

I wonder..how long will it take for Judges to review about 1000 images...or what is the correct number of submitted files?

Art2

05-20-2005, 11:24 AM

Art2: The images you see have been processed (the black copyright bar added, etc.) - that's what makes up the difference.

Hi Mibus, thanks for answering, but it still is a bit of a mystery to me.
Here are two image properties of two entries (final images) taken from the wip-threads after clicking the image on the firstpage. The 136kb one is mine.

http://www.marlonart.nl/kb.gif

I understand there is some imageprocessing involved (I can see a clear difference between my submitted image and the one displayed), but this loss in quality is a bit disturbing. And the difference between submitted images by different entrants too, don't you think?

Hey, I'm just curious. You guys are doing a wonderful job with these challenges.

chuva

05-20-2005, 05:39 PM

There is any problem about post the final works made for contest, in finish works gallery? Because a lot of people already post and I don´t see any line about this in rules ...

TheFirstAngel

05-20-2005, 06:38 PM

thanks mibus for giving us this chance. i just read in wil's tread he got a notification of the submission was sucessfull... hope i done everything right! please notify me if i sent everything right, and if not i will send if there's something missing! thank you so much!

Morgy

05-20-2005, 07:26 PM

Pwallin, thank you very much pal, your how-to-upload-on-FTP-by-IE post saved my entry.:thumbsup: It took me about 4 hours, but good'ol IE did it. I have downloded a "Smart FTP" installation file a few days ago, but on the last day I understood that the file is corrupted.
I am happy to see that there will be no "voting process" (brrrrrrr) this time. This method for evaluating the entries is the worst thing I've ever met.

mosconariz

05-20-2005, 10:36 PM

Thank U very much Mibus! I'll wait for the upload!

overcontrast

05-20-2005, 11:47 PM

Hey can anyone please explain me how the judging works this time.. cause some post back some1 said there is gonna be no voteing this time... corect us if we're wrong...

AdrielaSakamoto

05-20-2005, 11:52 PM

What is this voting process I keep hearing about? This is my first Challenge so I'm mostly stumbling around trying not to look too stupid.
Adri

Squibbit

05-20-2005, 11:55 PM

ause some post back some1 said there is gonna be no voteing this time

wow that'd be sad , gotta be a joke

Seriously now , I think we should just give out the prizes to people
in alphabetical order

Also, I wanna be an admin ! pleeez can I ? plz o plz o plzzz

i'm 27th level fingerpainter and i been to scuel
my dad's an astronaut

mmoir

05-21-2005, 01:27 AM

Hey Overcontrast,
Check out the "Judging" page for more info. Here is a quote from that page.

"All Master and Servant judging will be performed internally by the jury. First and foremost, submitted images will be judged on the strength of their emotive and narrative elements, with technical excellence as secondary criteria."

Also , Leigh(moderator) in one of his posts on a thread mentioned that there will be no public voting. Sooo..... The decisions are all in the hands those 4 or 5 judges. I wouldn't want their job judging these entries.

You were probably hoping for a response from a moderator or something but I guess I put my 2 cents in .

paperclip

05-21-2005, 02:03 AM

Leigh is a girl...

That's right-- there will be no voting this time around. I expect the results to come within 2 weeks, as the mods posted somewhere that they are speeding up the award process, as they want to increase the number of challenges they host per year.

I hope one of my friends wins! :)

AdrielaSakamoto

05-21-2005, 02:16 AM

[QUOTE=mmoir]The decisions are all in the hands those 4 or 5 judges. I wouldn't want their job judging these entries. QUOTE]

The judges look to be very capable industry professionals, but how they will decide on a few out of all the fabulous entries is probably something that will keep them up nights. Dunno.

I am now understanding that the community used to vote on the Challenges? Hmm. I can see there being all sorts of built-in problems with that system. My two cents.

Adri

mmoir

05-21-2005, 02:32 AM

Thanks Paperclip, don't know why I thought Leigh was a he. Oh well.
AdrielaSakamoto- I took part in the last challenge and there was public voting , wasn't totally smooth but was okay in my opinion.

Nata

05-21-2005, 04:33 AM

Aaaaa, help me, I get no sleep, I don't know if my final TIFF image was uploaded successfully! :cry: You see, the first time I didn't manage to upload it entirely due to my very bad internet connection but I steel received a positive confirmation latter. Later on I took a second try with better connection, replacing the incomplete file... Pleeeeeaaase let me know about the result of my uploading! Thank you very much in advance! :)

arLutiK

05-21-2005, 05:26 AM

Natalya, I'm pretty sure it went through check your thread for details.

paperclip

05-21-2005, 06:39 AM

If you go to your challenge page, it should show your final image. Also you should have recieved an email confirming the reciept of your image.

crowley

05-21-2005, 09:02 AM

Hmm, something is bothering me: I submitted all my wip images, and the final TIFF too, two days before the end of the challenge. And I can see my image on the final entry page. But I never recieved any confirmation email. Did you got it instantly after you uploaded your zip Theresa?

flyingP

05-21-2005, 09:32 AM

never got mine either, but it was showing up as a thumbnail on the submit "final image page" as far as I understood what Robert noted a couple of times if it is there then it's been uploaded fine :)

crowley

05-21-2005, 09:40 AM

Well, I guess it's ok then. Thanks flyingP :)

Art2

05-21-2005, 09:47 AM

I got my confirmation mail I guess a day after I ftp'd the tiff.
If you hover your mouse over the thumbnail of your final tiff you should see the name in your statusbar of your browser sayin '..... dot zip'. When you click on the thumb you should see your final image. If that's the case you're OK I think.

paperclip

05-21-2005, 10:42 AM

I recieved my email a few hours after I uploaded the file. I guess it's different for everyone, as Marlon says he got his a day after.

Personally, I'm glad they removed the voting element. There are far too many amazing artists here with very few views and having public voting will just push that popularity element too far.
Although I think we all have a fair idea as to which ones will win...I'm rooting for a few 'underdogs' out there as well.
Go, underdogs, go!

Tremoside

05-21-2005, 11:24 AM

I absolutely agree with paperclip! This voting process is not exactly works for those artists.."underdogs" Just as the alphabetical order's problem. In Machineflesh challenge i found my "T" Tremoside nickname almost on the last page. And number of views are not as important as it seems. I have a 19k modem dial up connection at home...who have a cable can write 10 messages while i can 2... Of course activity is important in a WIP challenge, but if voting is not needed judging is more clean i think. Some of you wrote "judging will be hard to do" or similar.

Honestly i don't think so...there are exact rules and guidlines predefined.

1. Emotional expressions

2. Clean and uderstandeable idea (you have to understand the image without reading the texts)

3. Printed media's requirements (high-res, fine techincal solutions, image has to be fine for a magazine or book cover)

4. Originality ( not a clisché)

5. Fine WIP process (WIP's can be also printed and representing a good way of thinkin and show exactly how the artist developed his/her idea from the first step)

6. Popularity ( I think this one is not as important as the others can be, but it's also a fact and can be measured in an exact form..numbers)

Not too many artists finished the challenge from the ~1000 entries. Maybe 25 percent as i saw. As i browsed the list of 3D entries i seen around 30 works which fulfil the requirements above...so judging will be quite "easy" i think.

Guys and girls i don't want to confuse you with my post and am not too experienced with these...am just curious as you are...and i spent a few minutes to see clearly these things.

But am sure MIBUS's Entry titled: :-) is one of the bests....:thumbsup: Robert you did it!

Have a nice day/night for everybody, and thanks to cgtalk crew their help during the upload process and the whole challenge too! :thumbsup:

NOOB!

05-21-2005, 12:34 PM

hmmm..there are so many entires in the finshed work 2d gallery already...seems a bit *hey look at mine judges* to me.

hmmm

hmmmmmm
hhmhmmmmmmmmmm

paperclip

05-21-2005, 01:16 PM

Well, they ARE finished works. It's possible that most of them are from artists who didn't recieve too many replies in their M & S thread (due to the overwhelming number of entrants) and so want more focused replies, rather than fanboys/girls.

Tremoside

05-21-2005, 01:24 PM

NOOB!: I don't think so! I wrote about 3D entries! You can see it above! You don't have to hm..hm... :thumbsup: It's not an advertisement from me! You could be sure! Just shared some thoughts of mine! As it's a forum i don't think it's a problem. So i think 2D entries are better for examlpe. So NOOB! i don't want to disturb your feelings or hurt anyone. I just made a list of the requirements from an aspect...you can check the instructions page or the posts in Virtuoso's thread about this topic. So again don't think about this post as a statement just as an opinion...

paulwdavidson

05-21-2005, 01:27 PM

NOOB: *hey look at mine judges* No, not at all.........people are happy that they've got a piece of artwork finished, and are proud to exhibit it.

Do you really think that showing your artwork there will have any weight with the judges?

I think not.......the judging will be excercised with the same criteria intended by a non biast body.

Everyon'e simply enjoying the experience.

Paul

mmoir

05-21-2005, 01:58 PM

Hey Tremoside,
What you say is true, although I think there are more than 30 that qualify by your standards, maybe 35 :) . Still going to be a tough job to pick the top ones I think. I think you still could see an image that doesn't seem to fit your requirements do very well.

Tremoside

05-21-2005, 02:12 PM

Hah mmoir! :thumbsup: but maybe: 35.4 I have to:blush: surely, don't want to hurt anyone...

just an opinion...

overcontrast

05-21-2005, 02:57 PM

well i think giving the judges the power to select the top pictures is a good idea. I got faith n them. But i think people should have some imput too, atleast 25% of it mayb. Cause liking differs from one another. If a broad awedience things a perticuler piece is better, its most likely that work got some potantial. But thats just my 1 cent. I respect the rules, and i hope every1 is happy with it as i am.

Challanges like this is a great way to practice industry workflow, and enrich one's skillz. I've definitly learned a lot in this one. One of the valuable lessons was, always finish ur work be4 the deadline. I hardly made it in tym... but luckly the image got uploaded. SO its all good. Now i'm just dieing to see which are the top ten...

paperclip

05-21-2005, 03:58 PM

Hopefully you won't have to wait long to find out. I have a feeling we'll find out by the end of this month.:twisted:

It makes sense to have professionals judge- they'll have much more mature understanding of what goes into making a good picture and between them, I'm sure they'll come up with an excellent result. I think they may be doing this because some people felt that the right people didn't win...the ones that truly deserved to. Who knows. I'm glad that they changed it at any rate and hope that they can see past all the 'views' and comments that others have left for them, through to seeing the image as a whole and for itself. After all, that's what we're all here for- to produce good art. That should be the ONLY deciding factor.

NOOB!

05-21-2005, 04:31 PM

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....!!! *left eyebrow twitches*

well if u guys say so :thumbsup:

good luck in the judgin.

AlyFell

05-21-2005, 04:42 PM

Hey Crowley, I got my confirmation email about 48 hours after I submitted the picture which was two hours before the deadline. My fingernails are now a lot shorter... As long as you can see the thumbnail I think it's OK... oh Flyingp said that... ho hum!

I don't have a problem with people putting their final pieces in the 'Finished work' section. Personally I will eventually because I'm going to make changes to it. You get different traffic there, and people who don't reguarly follow the challenges. I've noticed quite a few of them turning up on Concept art and other forums as well.

The lesson I learnt was finish your piece well before the challenge end date (obviously), go away from it and look at it with fresh eyes before submitting it so you still have time to alter things you aren't happy with.

As for voting, I was getting confused, because everyone was saying in various threads... "you got my vote", and I was convinced there was no voting. Thankfully there isn't. :)

This was fun! When's the next one then?

paperclip

05-21-2005, 04:49 PM

Is it just me or are you guys impatient to wait for the announcing of the results? I'm not a contender but I want to know anyway!

bowditch

05-21-2005, 04:51 PM

I understand there is some imageprocessing involved (I can see a clear difference between my submitted image and the one displayed), but this loss in quality is a bit disturbing. And the difference between submitted images by different entrants too, don't you think?

Hey Marlon, here's a thought ... I saw immediately that there was a difference in my work when I posted it, so I used it as a check for the image ... and I altered certain things to in the image to get it right for the imageprocessing involved - it was like seeing the work for the first time again ... refreshing ... after all there is nothing I can do about the imageprocessing, but I can alter/tweek the little things that changed as a result!

Marc

Art2

05-21-2005, 05:07 PM

bowditch

05-21-2005, 05:36 PM

I'm using WS-FTP Pro. I have no idea where we got it, but you could probably google it and go from there.. best of luck!

Adriela, sorry I am getting back to you so late, I saw your response to my plea just as I was calmly entering panic mode and downloading FTP pro for pc - so you confirmed what I was doing and I went ahead and after a couple of tries I got it right (or sorted as Mibus puts it). I was one happy guy, so thanks, thanks thanks a lot to you! (and rudeone too).
Still don't don't know what went wrong with fetch (has worked before) ... and still don't know how to zip with stuffit ...

bowditch

05-21-2005, 05:46 PM

Hey bowditch, yeah I tweaked some things too.
But what I don't understand is that I'm not able to post a pic larger than 150kb and there are others who can. :shrug:
I don't want to make a fuss out of it, it's cool to me. It was just something I've noticed.

Know what, I think I sent an image (a little) over the limit of 150, by mistake, but the others I was told were too heavy so they were adjusted accordingly (I guesse that one was a freak of digital nature). But really, at the end of the day, 20 kb really doesnt make a whole hellova difference, does it ... there has to be a limit to the immense (overwhelming is probably a better word) amount of stuff that was sent to great gang of GC

Art2

05-21-2005, 06:09 PM

Nicholas, your right of course.

AdrielaSakamoto

05-21-2005, 06:16 PM

Adriela, sorry I am getting back to you so late, I saw your response to my plea just as I was calmly entering panic mode and downloading FTP pro for pc - how to zip with stuffit ...

Hey, no problem. I think you were not alone in panic mode, so I didn't think a thing of it. I'm just glad it worked out for you. Much good luck with the Challenge!

Adri

NOOB!

05-21-2005, 06:22 PM

paperclip-yeh i'm curious too,but i think mibus did mention the final word on when the judgin process begins wud be on monday...

paperclip

05-21-2005, 09:55 PM

Monday, eh? However, that's just the WORD as to when the judging BEGINS. I think we may in be for a little wait. That's fine with me, I brought my guitar!:)

BaronImpossible

05-22-2005, 12:08 AM

I didn't know you were allowed to post your entry elsewhere. In some competitions posting pre- results (or publication) isn't allowed, so that's pretty cool. Actually, it isn't because I'm sick of the sight of my pic and I don't want to have to look at it for quite some time :) But this thread is for questions, so my question is... erm... how come mirrors reflect horizontally but not vertically?

flyingP

05-22-2005, 12:11 AM

how come mirrors reflect horizontally but not vertically?
..eeeerrr.... damn good question actually :curious:

paperclip

05-22-2005, 01:08 AM

The mirror doesn't actually reverse. It literally interprets what is in front if it. The only reason we think it is reversed is because we are standing opposite it. It is the same principle as someone else's right hand being on your left hand side

If you write something on a piece of paper, you will see it reflected left to right in the mirror, but if you turn it 45 degrees, you will also see it 'reversed' vertically.

Anything that a mirror sees is a direct reflection of light from the object to the mirror, then to the eye. This means that things on your right will 'be' on your left in the mirror, but things that are on the bottom in 'your world' will be be on the bottom in 'mirror world'. However, if our heads looked like feet, then we would think it was merely because the mirror 'flipped' it.

This is sort of hard to explain, but it's clear in my mind...hope I helped someone anyway!?

Talk about off topic. Um. Maybe the next challenge could be about mirrors?!
:D

Morgy

05-22-2005, 03:48 AM

Paperclip is right, in the mirror we see a flipped picture of us. It's a simple thing and it's studied at the elementary school. Its name was something like aaaa..."translation through line:rolleyes: " or something... but if the next challenge's subject will be for mirrors-that'll be funny:thumbsup:

NOOB!

05-22-2005, 11:11 AM

i ain't entering no mirror challenge what kinda bulls***.....

lol baron i think everyone is sick of their entries by now.

pwallin

05-22-2005, 11:15 AM

Pwallin, thank you very much pal, your how-to-upload-on-FTP-by-IE post saved my entry.:thumbsup:

It was a pleasure to help. I had my own troubles too so I decided to help because I remembered how frustrated I was when things did not work at the beginning. :)

Pasi

pwallin

05-22-2005, 11:46 AM

pwallin: Aw, come on, you can tell me! ;)

Well, it's a teaching/administration job and I heard that I am the number one on their list, but I hesitate to accept this until I get better information. For example, it's not necessarily a fulltime-job or last not longer than 6 months or a year. Personal problem with this job is that I want to get out from Tornio-city (Finland) and that is not possible if I accept this job...

Another change is a 2D/3D company in a middle-Finland, and they may be offering me a permanent job at the end of this summer. :)

Pasi

overcontrast

05-22-2005, 02:05 PM

Morgy

05-22-2005, 02:57 PM

and they may be offering me a permanent job at the end of this summer.
It's pretty soon, Pwallin, if you mean the finnish 2-weeks-long summer:)
Overcontrast, I have the same problem, but the judges are professionals, if they can't see the picture well they'll make it brighter. The brightness and contrast are not the most important thing here. And if your picture win then its brightness and contrast will be corrected before printing, be sure. So, don't worry:)

Tremoside

05-22-2005, 03:36 PM

hey guys i got a little problem... u c, after i submitted my final image, i took a day off... then i saw my image again, and i just had a smake in my face.. seems like my image is a bit too dark(c my wip page) now i go and print the thing.. and nightmares comes true... so is there any way to tell them to increase the brightness of the image a little bit? (correct value will be in PS: Brightness:18, Contrast:29).....

i learned the same lesson as Poshspice [ abt finishing the work early and having a freash look at it before submitting]

This is the reason why we have to submit in RGB Tiff the final one. If you turn to CMYK and give a print of that am sure the results will be different in each print studio... If your image will be displayed, you will receive an e-mail about that i think..(i'm not experienced, that not happened with me). Of course as publishers they will make some proofs or chromalins as it's usual with printed mediums. If they have an RGB channeled image they have more tools to adjust colours and overalls. CMYK is not as flexible. Sometimes photoshop make some undesirable changes after you convert your image from RGB to CMYK. They have the pro skills to adjust it gently for their own workflow of editing their stuffs. So if you think your image needs some special attention, you only have to send an e_mail to Mibus.

Am not deadly sure in these but try to help...
Have a nice day/night :wavey:

overcontrast

05-22-2005, 04:19 PM

This is the reason why we have to submit in RGB Tiff the final one. If you turn to CMYK and give a print of that am sure the results will be different in each print studio... If your image will be displayed, you will receive an e-mail about that i think..(i'm not experienced, that not happened with me). Of course as publishers they will make some proofs or chromalins as it's usual with printed mediums. If they have an RGB channeled image they have more tools to adjust colours and overalls. CMYK is not as flexible. Sometimes photoshop make some undesirable changes after you convert your image from RGB to CMYK. They have the pro skills to adjust it gently for their own workflow of editing their stuffs. So if you think your image needs some special attention, you only have to send an e_mail to Mibus.

Am not deadly sure in these but try to help...
Have a nice day/night :wavey:

hey thanx mate.... i did submitted my image in RGB... and thanx for the info, it put some worry out of my head :thumbsup: u too have a nice day

P.S; thanx Morgy, for ur asurence :thumbsup:

the-mighty-m

05-22-2005, 05:38 PM

overcontrast

05-22-2005, 11:20 PM

Hi

I haven't received any emails from CGtalk regarding my master and servant entry since I joined the challenge. As far as I know you are supposed to receive emails with a link to your challenge thread when you join and instructions on how to upload your final image towards the end of the challenge, I haven't received those, could they be sent to the wrong address, I checked my details on CG talk and they appear to be correct. How can I doublecheck that they are been sent to the correct address?

Regards,
The_Mighty_M

hey Michael,
did u recieved any email notifications when some1 replies to ur thread?... if so then i think CGTALK got your email address right. But some email survice providers tend to over-do thei spam protecting and delete the mails they think is a spam, or mayb move it to the trash/junk/bulk-mail folder... u might look in there.... if u need any ferther help, u can contact to a cgtalk administrator.

TheFirstAngel

05-23-2005, 12:15 AM

Robert, thank you very very much!!! u made my day! thank you!!!

paperclip

05-23-2005, 12:54 AM

You forgot to say please. :)

Most people would just ASK...you had to post a picture...:D

TheFirstAngel

05-23-2005, 01:05 AM

and thank to anyone in cgtalk and who was with me!!! u rock!

the-mighty-m

05-23-2005, 01:35 PM

Thanks Overcontrast!

I'll have to contact an administrator.

MDN67

05-23-2005, 06:07 PM

Hello, in all, my English being really very bad, I did not see in post the date of the end of vote by the jury, someone does he know this date?

Tremoside

05-23-2005, 06:31 PM

As i remember Mibus was mentioned...it will start on monday(today) if they can finish the organising the final entries. You can check his message few pages before. They always try to hurry, but it's not as easy as it seems...:shrug: So you only have to wait...:) i think they need a week or two?

(o)ne

05-23-2005, 07:27 PM

Tremoside - I'm afraid you're right about date :) but you're also right that it's a serious task to judge.

Mibus

05-24-2005, 01:11 AM

Art2: We set the JPG quality at 85% whenever we do image processing, so it's fairly likely that the other image started at very close to 150kb, but had large amounts of detail. (The other had a slightly higher resolution too). If you have a problem with image degradation, email me with the original and the processed copy, I'm happy to replace work when I need to. There's a soft sharpen filter we run, usually that's what causes the problems - but only on images with fine detail and texture, most other images are well improved.

chuva: It's perfectly allowed :)

Sacha, yours is on the "OK" list.

Nata: Your image is fine - http://server5.cgnetworks.com/challenge/get_img.php?cid=8&file=88121_87515.zip

crowley: looks good to me - http://server5.cgnetworks.com/challenge/get_img.php?cid=8&file=106128_86607.zip - cute image! :)

As for confirmation emails, quite a few get "lost" by spam filters - it's very unfortunate but there's not alot we can do about it!

Baron Impossible: That's an excellent question, but the correct answer is that they never flip the image at all. If you're standing in front of a mirror, and move an appendage to your left - say your left arm - then on the left of the mirror is a "copy" of that appendage moving. If you move an appendage down low - say a leg - then in the mirror, a "copy" of that appendage is moving down low! No flipping at all :)

pwallin: Sounds cool. At least you have artistic skill, best image I've ever made was my avatar ;)

Tremoside: What we're ultimately after with the TIFF files is an image that displays the same on our screens as it does on yours. Since screens don't use CMYK, that leaves us with RGB! Doing the RGB-CMYK conversion is handled by people working here with years of experience doing just that.

the_mighty_m: The challenge system will use whatever email address you signed up to it with; as yet it doesn't get updated along with the CGTalk one. As for your image, you're all fine :)

The "finished entry" pages will be going up soon, and after that the judges will be let loose on them. As for when the results will be finished, I don't know.

Good luck to everyone!!

mosconariz

05-24-2005, 01:24 AM

I've just recieved the confirmation that everything is OK with my entry! Thanks again again again 4 your help Mibus! :scream:

Enayla

05-24-2005, 01:53 AM

Mibus, I just realised I didn't get a confirmation email either - the realisation sank like a black ugly thing to the pit of my stomach. I think it should be all right, though, I'm sure I saw the tif file uploaded and all right, and that all of my steps were submitted. If you get a spare moment, any chance you could check for sure? It would be nice to know :]

mmoir

05-24-2005, 02:03 AM

Enayla,

I am quite sure everyone will be able to view the finished entry page so you should be able to check and see if your image is there . If it is not there then you could let them know.

Mibus

05-24-2005, 03:00 AM

The finalist list is now up and public!
http://cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entries.php

Linda, yours is fine:
http://cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=5833

(o)ne

05-24-2005, 04:13 AM

thank you, Mibus, I started to be a little nervous about my image too :)

Morgy

05-24-2005, 06:00 AM

Thank you very much, Mibus, although I recieved a confirmation mail I was a little nervous too.
And about the "mirror" question. The mirror doesn't flip, but it shows exactly a flipped picture. And it has only left and right changed because it's a horizontal flipping or parallel mirroring. If we have a segment AB with coordinates AB(1,1;2,2) and we mirror it by Y-axis (usual mirror) then we'll get a segment A1B1 with coordinates A1B1(-1,1;-2,2). But now A1 is to the right of B1. If we compare the coordinates of the segment before and after the mirroring we'll see that only X values have changed their sign from plus to minus which means they've changed their left-right, because X-axis means also left-right. If we want to change either left-right or up-down(Y-axis) we have to mirror AB by the O(0,0) point. Well, we can simply change the signs of x,y to -x,-y (left-to-right and up-to-down) and we'll get a segment A2B2(-1,-1;-2,-2). Now A2 is above B2 which means that we've changed up and down. And the O point did the same what a focal point of a convex lens does-> changes up to down and left to right.
I'm sorry if my terms are not very correct, but if you draw a diagram it'll be more clear.:)

arLutiK

05-24-2005, 09:13 AM

Then we could start talking about curve mirror they flip you upside down :)

paperclip

05-24-2005, 09:21 AM

The finalist list is now up and public!
http://cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entries.php

That was quick!!
I thought 'soon' meant a few days...boy was I wrong.
Great to see all the finished entries together in one place, so many little gems amongst them. I'm curious as to which gem will pick up a 'gem boxx', haha.

paulwdavidson

05-24-2005, 11:02 AM

Mibus: quick question. Just curiousity, really......will the judges be judging the artwork from the Tiffs, 'printed copies' or from the 'finalist entries page'.....?

Just interested in how you guys do this......Cheers

Paul

fer3d

05-24-2005, 02:48 PM

Hi administrators!

The text that appears along the final image in my entry at

http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/entry.php?challenger=6413

is not the one I have at

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=223366

which I would like to be the final text.

Thankyous have been moved to a regular post in the thread, and a little story submited instead. Without the story, the image won't make much sense.

Is it possible you could make the change for me?

Thank you

fer

mmoir

05-24-2005, 03:35 PM

Mibus or admin people.

I was looking through the entries and noticed one of the 3d entries image doesn't come up, it is for "dvelasco". Just thought I would let you know.

mmoir

05-24-2005, 04:21 PM

Mibus or administration guys.
I was wondering if you could update the description of my entry in the final entry page. I updated the Latest update post in my thread but it doesn't change the description in the entry description the judges will see. It just may clarify something for the judges , if you could that would be great , if not thats life I guess. Thanks.
Below is the text I would like added.

Just a note , some people who have seen this image were a little distracted by the bright light on the side of Jesus. A little explanation.
After Jesus died they pierced his side(and heart at the same time) with a lance and blood and water poured out , the light in my image is supposed to symbolise this water , you can see the wound at the top of the bright area of light. This water represents Sacramental life to the church , so this light ties Jesus to the church building and to the Servant. Just thought I would clarify

Enayla

05-24-2005, 04:29 PM

:love: Thank you so much, that's a huge relief. I can see it on the challenge page now.

(o)ne

05-24-2005, 05:46 PM

I'm also want to ask administration to change the text for the final image, please (if it is possible) :)

Idea of the Image: Everyone IS the Master or Servant to himself, his life, his environment, depends of situation. But you never know for sure what part is on top now - that's why they are in "neutral" position. And they never be happy at a time - e.x. if one does the other will be sad (same mouth showing that). You must noticed that when you first met someone you thought that he is master of his life (or that this is what he's trying to show you), but later you discover that he's just a servant to his habbits, wife, boss etc.

Making of the image: I used Zbrush 2.0 for modelling, rendering and texturing the Heads and background. Also I used Photoshop 7.0 for color balance, post effects and composing.

NOOB!

05-24-2005, 06:55 PM

Without the story, the image won't make much sense.

so did u read the pointers on what the judges are looking for...

CoreyArtE

05-24-2005, 10:46 PM

My picture wasn't posted in the finals. I dont know whats going on, i got it in on time but it's not displayed on the finals.

BlacKeri

05-24-2005, 11:11 PM

Corey, did you post all of the WIPs and submitted the tiff with the 32746234_3786725 name to the ftp? :/

CoreyArtE

05-24-2005, 11:18 PM

I guess thats the reason why, i didnt submit a tiff, just a jpeg, I did the final milestone, but no tiff file. I guess i'm out of the challenge then, dang, and I worked so hard. Looks like my first challenge was a dud

SpiritDreamer

05-24-2005, 11:54 PM

Hello Administrator(s)
I noticed similar differences on my final entry as a few others have.

I had edited my story so that on the thread with the Final Image the word "concience" was changed to "conciousness". This really makes a big difference in the whole meaning.

Can the words on the final entry be updated to include the few minor changes I made in the mythology for my image?

Also the two detail enlargements are not included in the final entry. These are on my thread in Frame #19. They are midway on this page:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=228275&page=2&pp=15&highlight=gallegos

So, Can these be included in my Final Entry?

Thank you for any help and/or advice on these questions.
Glenn Gallegos

Mibus

05-25-2005, 01:18 AM

Paul Davidson: Last time we did it from TIFFs scaled to a closer-to-screen (but still quite large) resolution. I'd imagine we'd do it similarly this time.

fer3d: OK

mmoir: Thanks, I'll check it out. I've changed your text, too.

(o)ne: Changed

CoreyArtE: Don't forget you can still post in the gallery, even if you don't qualify for the challenge.

Glenn Gallegos: Done.

SpiritDreamer

05-25-2005, 01:58 AM

Thank you for correcting my text so quickly!

I really wanted to see my close up, detail pictures that went with Frame 19 because they correspond to the text that is in that frame:

Milestone: Coloring WIPDate Submitted: Friday, 22 April 2005Title: The Mammon VS The EarthNotes: Working on details. Trying to give it a Bosch/Dali kind of feel. Still has a ways to go, but I think it is getting there. Any helpful thoughts

Can those be added in my Final Entry?
I appreciate your help with this.
Glenn Gallegos