View Full Version : Watch the full lenght Episode 3 Trailer
SheepFactory 03-11-2005, 05:46 AM http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-640x360.mov
its being hammered now so might be a slow dl for most.
ILM's work in this movie looks breathtaking.
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Dirtystimpy
03-11-2005, 05:48 AM
agreed, the fx kick ass
WhiteRabbitObj
03-11-2005, 05:48 AM
This is a legitimate, high quality version? Not that god awful, unwatchable bootleg version that was floating around?
Signal2Noise
03-11-2005, 05:50 AM
... Not that god awful, unwatchable bootleg version that was floating around?
No. You're already thinking of the full-feature release once Lucas is done his editing so it appeals to the kiddies. ;)
No. You're already thinking of the full-feature release once Lucas is done his editing so it appeals to the kiddies. ;)
LOL!
It's downloading pretty quick here... in fact it's just about to fin...
pongball
03-11-2005, 05:55 AM
Good lord, the original post was made 8 minutes ago and already so many replies! Whoa. Trying to d/l the damned thing but it's not responding! Will post a review soon! :thumbsup:
WhiteRabbitObj
03-11-2005, 05:59 AM
No. You're already thinking of the full-feature release once Lucas is done his editing so it appeals to the kiddies. ;)
Oh snap! Burn! Heh.
This trailer is sick as hell. I really can't wait to see EPIII, even though my hopes have been smashed into a million pieces twice before. I want to think this one will be different, I really do.
[edit] For those who are trying to D/L but can't even get the "Save As..." dialogue to pop up, only click it once and then just wait. I kept clicking it and eventually got like 10x download prompts. Apparently the server is so bogged down it can't even respond right away, but once it admits your IP it seems to go really fast. I d/l'd the trailer in about 1 minute after I got access. It seems to be queueing people, which is kind of nice actually.
Spppppplllllooooooogggggggeeeee!
I got to admit... I was not looking forward to this over the recent months. Grievous, some of the plot rumors. Now, I want to see it. Now!
Thank you for the link. I feel a great disturbance in the force. As if millions of fanbois just wet themselves, and then watched the trailer again, in silence.
Kimotion
03-11-2005, 06:01 AM
Why does Chancellor's face age 50 years when he is "revealed?" And he speaks differently too...
My Fault
03-11-2005, 06:03 AM
Wow, this actually looks like it may kick some serious booty. If anything Ian McDiarmid looks like he has a big role in this film and he is a helluva an actor. Fingers crossed!
pongball
03-11-2005, 06:03 AM
Here's my review: :scream: :scream: :scream: 1/2
Needs more of that old feel from the original trilogy. Seeing Chewy brought a warm feeling in my heart (didn't it for a lot of you guys?). That part of transition (chewy, and other things) need to be more deeply involved in the plot IMHO. Lucas better not screw this up! The trailer's CG on the other hand was absolutely spectactular, definately darker, a thrilling trailer!!
Can't wait!! When's the official release date? :shrug:
BigErn
03-11-2005, 06:03 AM
FACT : we are going to see it no matter what the trailer is like!
I havent even downloaded it yet and still going to see it. Its a geek thing :D
pongball
03-11-2005, 06:04 AM
Why does Chancellor's face age 50 years when he is "revealed?" And he speaks differently too...
They had better settle that in the film, else it will uncover a serious plot hole ;) !
huydoan.com
03-11-2005, 06:05 AM
sweet lima bean pie, that's one sweet ass trailer
there's a 35mb quicktime version available in the alt.binaries.starwars newsgroups.
Can't wait!! When's the official release date? :shrug:
May 19th according to the trailer. Of course it all could be some devious sith mind trick.
WhiteRabbitObj
03-11-2005, 06:23 AM
As for why he "ages" when he is "revealed"... it probably has to do with when he is using his Dark Side powers. It probably twists his body as it twists his soul to use the dark side and so he looks demented when he's using the powers. After much use, the dark side powers begin to break down one's body (this is common SW lore) and hence why he looks so decrepit in ROTJ. Mind you, we never actually see Darth Maul use dark side powers, only so-called "neutral powers" like force push and force jump, so there would be no precedent set for when Palpatine uses dark-side powers. Er, actually I guess we see Darth Tyranus use some dark side powers in EPII, but oh well. That's my conjecture anyhow. Hopefully there is a reason anyways.
I've actually been holding out some hope that there is a big twist and that Palpatine is not in fact Sidious anyhow. My feelings is that it would be awesome if Sidious is either controlling Palpatine or in league with him, and that through some means, Palpatine BECOMES Sidious during the course of EPIII. Since we never actually see them as one and the same in EPI or EPII, this would be an excellent twist to what everyone is expecting, since we only assume they're the same person at the moment.
Also, I hope those wookie shots are not actually Chewbacca. The earlier trailer had a shot of lots of Wookies, hopefully the one in this trailer is just another wookie but not Chewbacca. I wouldn't mind if Chewie made an appearance, but two shots in the trailer would lead us to believe he has a more central role than he should. Lucas has already shrunk the universe to absurd levels in the prequels, with the returns to Tatooine (some backwater planet, with so many galactic events happening there, eh?) and Anakin having created C-3PO and R2-D2 being the Princess'.
and R2-D2 being the Princess
I didn't realize R2-D2 was the princess... that's a whole lot harder of a transformation to explain than the Sith Lord's.
The hypen was intentionally removed. :wip:
I'm with you on the logic of your assumption... and cool plot twist, but I think it is too much of a reach this go around.
jason-slab
03-11-2005, 06:36 AM
pure cg candy!!
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ElectroLux
03-11-2005, 06:42 AM
Damn I'm hyped. I didn't even care about episode III untill I saw spoiler page some time ago. Now that I've seen trailer, I can't wait to see it.
Too much Star Wars in last few weeks. I played KotOR II thru 3 times, KotOR once, watched original trilogy + extras...
That's just Incredible! Congratz ILM for their work, hope they'll win an Oscar for that!
The Battle shots are amazing!
Virum
03-11-2005, 07:18 AM
The digital effects were great, but I thought that the editing was very poor. My heart didn't get pumping and I wasn't left with a "Holy crap, this is going to be awesome" feeling. I was actually on the bored side.
I don't go to the theaters much (so expensive anymore), so Sin City gets the money this time.
WeirdoStudio
03-11-2005, 07:27 AM
Nice effects.. Damn i'm starting to want to see this thing... I guess i will have to break down and finally go to a movie theater, but NOT ON FANBOY NIGHT.. Nothing like seeing a bunch of grown men in costume, and swinging Mattel lightsabers makes me want to commit murderous acts more.. :twisted:
OOOPs i take that back.. if someone was to make me sit and watch that stupid movie called "ALONE IN THE DARK" i just might go DAHMER on someone..
jake_$teed
03-11-2005, 07:48 AM
Let's all be smart and remember the immortal words of his holyness, the Reverand Ackbar...
"It's A trap!"
Seems like the site is now down, mirrors anyone?
Virum
03-11-2005, 08:16 AM
Exited it already, sorry (not in history either)!
I do have some space and bandwidth to host a mirrir, though. If someone with the file is interested in uploading it to my server, PM me and I'll send FTP info.
dotTom
03-11-2005, 08:22 AM
After the last two I'm trying not to get too excited... but I can't help it :) Looks beautiful, did Lucas write the dialog in this one as well or can we hope for less wince-making character interactions?
The image quality in this copy is no where near as good as that available to Hyperspace members over at www.starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com). You really want to go check out theirs.
Supervlieg
03-11-2005, 08:40 AM
Seems like the link died. Anyone got a mirror?
need a good working link here !!!
I don't want to pay to watch a commercial !!! thx for this brillant idea mr L.
Uh ... yeah. I was halfway through the download when it died.
Must have been my fault. :D
I guess I'll have to wait a bit more to see this. :shrug:
I found these: 50mb AVI - here (http://www.filerush.com/download.php?target=that_video.avi) or here (http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JA65R15HTAH73UUNLUD659GK7)
its a TV rip the same as that mov file so i guess its not against the law...
steverage
03-11-2005, 08:50 AM
As trailers go, this one was pretty damned amazing!!
The ILM guys have excelled themselves! Im not a massive Star Wars fan, but I actually am now really looking forward to this!
jake_$teed
03-11-2005, 08:57 AM
As trailers go, this one was pretty damned amazing!!
The ILM guys have excelled themselves! Im not a massive Star Wars fan, but I actually am now really looking forward to this!
Wow, this is like Episode II of the other thread that is already discussing this. Open your eyes.
Wow, this is like Episode II of the other thread that is already discussing this. Open your eyes.
Sometime people hit "new thread" rather than "reply". It happens. I fixed it, so relax. I'm sure it was an accident.
jake_$teed
03-11-2005, 09:08 AM
Me so angry. Rahhhhhr.
Yeah, I was breaking balls, but c'mon the ROTS thread has been blowin' up all night, it's hard to miss.
steverage
03-11-2005, 09:53 AM
Wow, this is like Episode II of the other thread that is already discussing this. Open your eyes.
Easy, we all make mistakes...
Kirt: did exactly what you said, hit the wrong button... been up too late :S
EDIT: anymore direct links to it anywhere?!
mushroomgod
03-11-2005, 10:00 AM
looks fantastic.....lets just hope the films as good as the trailer
Pilchard
03-11-2005, 10:03 AM
Definatly trooping over to Empire in Leicter square for that one!
retinajoy
03-11-2005, 12:43 PM
Based on that trailer.... the film looks amazing and looks as if it will hit all the notes correctly. Can't wait.
Gelero
03-11-2005, 12:55 PM
ok. here we go:
http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-hd-640.mov
zapcat
03-11-2005, 01:20 PM
Thanks Gelero. Amazing work by ILM. Can't wait to see it.
lovisx
03-11-2005, 01:23 PM
this trailer rocks, anakins journy to the dark side is complete. this should be called Revenge of the Nerds
super_mouse
03-11-2005, 01:33 PM
wow amazing trailer, love the interaction between Palps and anakin
lovisx
03-11-2005, 01:45 PM
I think the links dead once again
SpeccySteve
03-11-2005, 01:50 PM
The bittorrent link Gith posted seems to be working, try that one.
Edit: ok, I'm convinced, two tickets please George.
titaniumdave
03-11-2005, 01:58 PM
http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive...iler-hd-640.mov (http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-hd-640.mov) worked for me. I'm not a starwars fanboy but damn that was freaking awesome.
polyplay
03-11-2005, 04:45 PM
how the hell does the emporer get all disfigured like that? May 19th is too far away.
BRUTICUS
03-11-2005, 05:06 PM
Why does Chancellor's face age 50 years when he is "revealed?" And he speaks differently too...
I dont get this either but watching this trailer I came up with what could be an explanation.
What if the chancellor is actually a clone of the emperor? And the chancellor isn't the emperor after all, just a pawn of his.
A couple other possibilities is hes a shapeshifter (his teeth change shape) or he has an elaborate disguise. The clone option works best IMO.
leigh
03-11-2005, 05:13 PM
Oh man I cannot wait to see this now! I wasn't all that impressed with the previous trailers but DAAAAMN this one ROCKS!!!
dmonk
03-11-2005, 05:28 PM
Flash Version (http://video.craveonline.com/video/comingsoon/?showVideo=59&statsid=26&pid=1)
SkullboX
03-11-2005, 05:38 PM
I've rarely seen a trailer that really got me to want to see a movie I previously wasn't really interested in anymore. Everything looked absolutely stunning, let's hope the contents of the film are going to be a welcome surprise as well. :)
DorkmanScott
03-11-2005, 05:48 PM
What I want to know is, who finally taught Lucas how to direct? This film has a COMPLETELY different style from the other two; I could have sworn the DP must be different, but it's the same guy. Everything I've seen has been more like I wish 1 and 2 had been.
It also looks like he had the sense to give Palpatine a significant amount of screen time. McDiarmid is probably the best actor on the entire cast, and what he's doing in the trailer looks awesome.
I have been doing everything I can not to get excited about this film. I have become more and more annoyed with the superficiality of the first two and didn't want to be burned again. He's missed a lot of opportunities to tie the two trilogies together (we never see Alderaan, for example, and he's completely killed the climax of ESB), but I don't think I'll care come May 19th.
I'll admit it. He beat me. I'm excited.
M. Scott
DangerAhead
03-11-2005, 05:58 PM
We need more mirror sites. I have yet to find a link that works except for the flash one and it's all crunched.
47Gut
03-11-2005, 06:04 PM
the flash one is the old trailer
kilikili
03-11-2005, 06:10 PM
640 HD version here:
http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-hd-640.mov
-Kilikili
lovisx
03-11-2005, 06:10 PM
the one posted before the flash link worked for me but I had to right click download it. If i left clicked to view it, it wouldn't work
Spankspeople
03-11-2005, 06:21 PM
I cringe when I think of what this'll do to my bandwidth, but...
http://spankotron.net/stuff/starwars3trailer.avi
I cringe when I think of what this'll do to my bandwidth, but...
http://spankotron.net/stuff/starwars3trailer.avi
You are indeed brave.
dmonk
03-11-2005, 06:26 PM
I cringe when I think of what this'll do to my bandwidth, but...
http://spankotron.net/stuff/starwars3trailer.avi
WOW! PRedicting a grinding halt very soon.
DangerAhead
03-11-2005, 06:28 PM
you rock. It's coming down the pipe now.
alexyork
03-11-2005, 06:31 PM
Cheers Tom :thumbsup:
chadtheartist
03-11-2005, 06:31 PM
I dont get this either but watching this trailer I came up with what could be an explanation.
What if the chancellor is actually a clone of the emperor? And the chancellor isn't the emperor after all, just a pawn of his.
A couple other possibilities is hes a shapeshifter (his teeth change shape) or he has an elaborate disguise. The clone option works best IMO.
If you really want to know, follow this link, and read the section on The Sith Legacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sith
There are spoilers there, so be warned!
Boone
03-11-2005, 06:42 PM
For those with UK channels, Channel 4's "T4" section tomorrow(Saturday) will at some point be showing this trailer...time to get those VCRs in gear! :bounce:
Boone
03-11-2005, 06:43 PM
As for why Palpatine is aging rapidly - read Dark Empire from Dark horse comics... :lightbulb
huydoan.com
03-11-2005, 07:04 PM
http://rapidshare.de/files/830751/StarWars-EpisodeIII-Trailer_XviD-AC3.avi.html
you'll need the AC3 filter available here
http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/
it, very dark...
but :
cheasy : I need your help son
ultra very cheasy and awfull shot (strange) : Padme Crying !!! why is this shot so bad composited ?!?
Water wookies rock !!!
the shot from Above of Anakin with the stormtroopers army going to murder jedis I guess + boots sound fx is woooooooo
Ewan shouting : you were the chosen one is amazing...
Palpatine becoming pretty angry toward Mace : ultra great..
did Lucas finally succeeded to put a little bit of emotions here ? seems so...
As for Anakin...I still have some problems, but the scars,the hair and the angry look seems much better than Episode II anakin !!!
MrPositive
03-11-2005, 07:46 PM
Wow I hope this is as dark as it seems..........that would be a nice diversion from the kiddie drudge of one and two. He still has an oppurtunity to save this whole thing if episode three leaves us breathless. One can hope.........hey I agree with someone eariler that one and two lacked memorable lines..........I already have two I like just from this trailer...........You were the chosen one (which everyone has mentioned) and then more importantly when the chancellor looks at anakin cooly and says........"but not from a jedi". ooooh gave me chills.
JA-forreal
03-11-2005, 09:11 PM
I watching this and thinking that this looks like a great pilot for a Star Wars Miniseries for TV on NBC or SciFi channel or someplace.
polyplay
03-11-2005, 09:45 PM
anyone know what the giant gelatinous bubbles that the chancelor, anakin and co. are sitting watching are? comes around 40 seconds into the trailer.
igorstshirts
03-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Holy Sith! I liked it.
Geta-Ve
03-11-2005, 10:00 PM
ummmmm....
oh man.... i wish i could swear....
thats.... omg... i just... sickest thing "are you threatening me master jedi?"
god dammnnnnnn oh god.. oh man.. ohhhh mannn!!
I bow to the final series that fueled my passion for Sci-Fi.
Nice work ILM!
BRUTICUS
03-11-2005, 10:48 PM
Anyone know if this will be in Imax?
eMPeck
03-11-2005, 10:50 PM
Dark Side of the Force took me. I want to be the Sith.
I want movie now!
Fahrija
03-11-2005, 11:07 PM
I still expect nothing.
but I hope the last episode will change my impression completly. The darker the better
Terrell
03-11-2005, 11:47 PM
anyone know what the giant gelatinous bubbles that the chancelor, anakin and co. are sitting watching are?
You remember the news about the Chancellor and Anakin attending a Mon Calamari opera? You remember everyone was worried about how that was going to look in the film? That's what that is. Those are water spheres suspended in air, and the things flying around in them are the Mon Calamari dancers, so to speak. Basically just a backdrop to a scene in the film. Nothing. It's a beautiful shot, more impressive than I thought it would look.
http://img177.exs.cx/img177/4227/bscap0004hg.jpg
Geta-Ve
03-12-2005, 12:00 AM
mon calimari! oh man i wonder if we will hear "its a trap!" best line EVER! haha and then you see all the ships turn around soooo fast that scene (and after) was soooo cool
super_mouse
03-12-2005, 12:02 AM
hmm they must be keeping General G under wraps!!!Can't wait to see him:) he kicked ass in clone wars. Looks like Ki Adi Mundi sp???(ya know jedi master with long head and bushy eyebrows and beard) survived the fight against him, guess i'll have to wait until season 3 to find out:)
Grievious is in the trailer !! I think Obiwan can testify...he gets a huge punch in the face !
edit : after watching again Obi avoid the kick...but still G. he's trying ! ;)
Finally got to see the trailer. Yes, good job for the folks at ILM. The trailer and the effects of this film look really spectacular. Although, I thought the same way about the Ep I & II trailers the first time I saw them.
I'll reserve judgement of the film until I see it. Lucas knows how to market his films, that much is certain. Each trailer has gotten me all pumped up to see the film. And I will see it in the theater despite how much I hated the last 2 films.
Much respect to the visual effects wizards on these films ... always top notch work in an otherwise boring series of films. :thumbsup:
polyplay
03-12-2005, 07:53 AM
Terrel, thanks for the knowledge. that's some crazy weird expanded universe stuff to add into the movie. looks cool as hell though.
BillSpradlin
03-12-2005, 08:51 AM
http://www.starwars.com/community/feature/20041222/img/pg10_grievous_bg.jpg
Nice shot of grievous, he's obviously full cg, should be interesting to see him in action.
PaulAdams
03-12-2005, 10:08 AM
Looking good, best of the 3 first trailers - probably to the subject matter. Finally the birth of Vader. Visual feast too, I'm sure.
L.Rawlins
03-12-2005, 02:10 PM
I have to laugh when people make the comment 'Lucas better not screw this up...'
He doesn't. He tells his story exactly how he wants to. Whether or not that comes anything close to how YOU want him to tell his story is otherwise pretty irrelevant.
I look forward to seeing how he manages to stitch the series together in this final feature.
BRUTICUS
03-12-2005, 02:20 PM
im curious how much actual vader we/ll see, I still want to see him with a light saber.
I found the Shadows of the empire music in the trailer really fitting somehow.
ringzero
03-12-2005, 02:35 PM
I have to laugh when people make the comment 'Lucas better not screw this up...'
He doesn't. He tells his story exactly how he wants to. Whether or not that comes anything close to how YOU want him to tell his story is otherwise pretty irrelevant.
I look forward to seeing how he manages to stitch the series together in this final feature.
HUH?
He can still screw up HIS story...:shrug:
heavyness
03-12-2005, 06:05 PM
I have to laugh when people make the comment 'Lucas better not screw this up...'
He doesn't. He tells his story exactly how he wants to. Whether or not that comes anything close to how YOU want him to tell his story is otherwise pretty irrelevant.
I look forward to seeing how he manages to stitch the series together in this final feature.
welcome to the land of "the glass is always half full" star wars fans. prepare to defend yourself in every post.
.....oh yeah, the trailer rocks! Mon Calamari thrown into the mix! weeee. here is to hoping one of them says "it's a trap"
L.Rawlins
03-12-2005, 06:39 PM
*Adjusts bicycle helmet strap and stuffs shirt with pillow*
...
Bring it. :D
Spankspeople
03-12-2005, 06:42 PM
Wow, just... Wow!
Did one of you guys post my link on Slashdot or something? I'm supposed to have 9gb of transfer before it starts throwing up 503's.
That's impressive.
Ezekiel19
03-12-2005, 06:48 PM
Verdict of The Trailer:
This trailer reflects direct content of what the movie going to look like.
Here's what we've been told about Ep III prior to this week some years a go by Mr GL
Part 3 is going to be dark perhaps the darkest of all the other SW movies
-This Trailer proves that. I mean people we got the towers of the Jedi Temple smoking from above and that imagery is very reminiscent to the Twin Towers of NY Sept 11th.
-The Sky is not blue any more its gray and all the shots seemed so show something very dark.
The Emperor not only looked Evil, he looked Pure Evil
This movie is SCARY
Also GL has openly stated in the press as recent as Wed this week that "he doesnt care if this movie gets a PG-13 rating"
That means alot coming from Mr GL. For years fans and critics have been hoping for a darker tone SW movie with maybe a PG-13 rating. Well peeps here it comes. U wanted it and I always knew it was coming, but it had to come in the 3rd and final ACT. Enjoy May 19, 2005
* the transformation of Anakin to vader will not only be hideous, but also keep your eye open for the Transformation of Palpatine to The Emperor or Lord Sidious(are u staring to understand why his name is Lord Sidious)?
-Many beloved Jedi's die in this one and some we see up close.
Wont Spoil you as to How and When
But some do and some get there azz's handed to them ^5
Over-All this trailer is Great and the action and CGI sequence is breath taking.
ILM has been busy I see for the last 2-3 years. Great Job
Boone
03-12-2005, 07:09 PM
I just got back from watching Constantine and they showed the trailer before it...
...it must be disturbing watching a 25-year-old man turn into a hyper-active 6 year-old. Sad, but true! :bounce: x1000000000000000
Windu: "Palpatine - You are underarrest!" :wise:
Palpatine: "I AM THE ULTIMATE JEDI - I AM THE STATE OF THE JEDI-BAD-ASS-ART! YOU DO NOT WANT TO **** WITH ME!" :twisted:
Palpatine is gonna make Windu his bitch! :bounce:
Nemoid
03-12-2005, 07:17 PM
yep i fully agree.
the trailer is a good one, and the movie seems to have the exact tone needed, a dark one.
i have to say that the trailer is very well done, and well edited, sfx are good. i was also happy to see again Chewie and C3po with his full golden surface...
i appreciate the tone of the movie, because it is supposed to talk of the bad twist towards evil of a powerful jedi, a real tragedy for all the galaxy far far away.
Maybe i'm wrong, but to me the trailer also suggests Anakin can be Palpatine's son or something,in facts he calls him son. at that moment i just remembered Anakin mother talking about his father into a misterious and rather sad way in Episode I
However : Palpatine is obviously really dangerous, and will manage to manipulate Anakin just like a sort of puppy convincing him to betray the Jedi council and to become a sith, adept of the dark side of the force, until its too late... :cool:
i really hope to see a good SW movie. if well edited, with such a material as showed in the trailer , GL really can't fail this time to entertain us. Ep III can really be breath taking and scary!!
Oh and i want to see Count Doku again. Cristopher Lee is great!! Saruman and Count Doku in the same period . too good. :thumbsup:
Boone
03-12-2005, 07:30 PM
I could never get used to Chistopher Lee in AOTC. Dunno why. :hmm:
DorkmanScott
03-12-2005, 07:35 PM
I have to laugh when people make the comment 'Lucas better not screw this up...'
He doesn't. He tells his story exactly how he wants to. Whether or not that comes anything close to how YOU want him to tell his story is otherwise pretty irrelevant.
I disagree. When you're putting out a film, you have to be aware that it's not your story anymore. It's something you're putting out there, and the setup is a promise that you are expected to fulfill, or you have failed to tell the story properly.
By your logic, there's no such thing as a bad story, or a good story told poorly, and that's simply untrue.
M. Scott
Daniel-B
03-12-2005, 09:12 PM
im curious how much actual vader we/ll see, I still want to see him with a light saber.
Vader is only in the last 5 minutes of the movie.
L.Rawlins
03-12-2005, 09:53 PM
By your logic, there's no such thing as a bad story, or a good story told poorly, and that's simply untrue.
M. Scott
I'm not talking about ALL movies. I'm talking about this one. And lets not forget that these three prequels have a pre-determined 'ending' that they HAVE to adhere to. It must prove very difficult to shake predictability or a perceived 'bad story' on a journey that has already finished.
We can already guess the general line of the plot for this final film. Of course we can. We know how it ends. But does that make it a bad story, and a bad film?
Boone
03-12-2005, 09:59 PM
The bad guys are going to kick everyones sorry asses.
Sod suspense! :buttrock:
DorkmanScott
03-12-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm not talking about ALL movies. I'm talking about this one.
Well, yes and no. Saying "Lucas can't screw it up because he's telling the story the way HE wants to. Just because it's not the way YOU want him to is irrelevant" sets a standard. It says no filmmaker can tell the story "wrong" or "badly" as long as it's the way he wants to tell it.
And lets not forget that these three prequels have a pre-determined 'ending' that they HAVE to adhere to. It must prove very difficult to shake predictability or a perceived 'bad story' on a journey that has already finished.
We can already guess the general line of the plot for this final film. Of course we can. We know how it ends. But does that make it a bad story, and a bad film?
Absolutely not! That's what gave the prequels the potential to be brilliant!
We all know the story, yes. We know the second half and have for almost 30 years now. We know that Anakin becomes Vader. The prequels were Lucas' chance to turn our notions of what we "know" on their head, and he didn't take that opportunity.
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For example. Never once in the prequels, as far as I am aware, do we ever see the surface of Alderaan. Jimmy Smits plays Bail Organa, but we're given no chance or reason to care about the planet -- which could have changed so much about when it gets destroyed in ANH.
We are going to be shown explicitly Vader's birth, ruining Empire pretty much completely. I think he could have told the story without making it explicit that Anakin and Vader are the same.
I was hoping that Palpatine would kill Padme with Force Lightning as Vader stood by and did nothing, making the end of ROTJ that much more poignant and really giving a sense of triumph to the moment that Anakin says "No more." Alas, no such "echo" ever takes place. Lucas put in a gag about Jango Fett banging his head on doorways and yet missed something like THIS?!
***********END SPOILERS***********
Lucas told us the story that, like you said, we basically already know. He didn't add anything to it except a lot of special effects. Nothing in the OT is changed when filtered through the PT, in my opinion. That is a failure.
Episode III looks awesome, looks exciting, and I'm looking forward to see what looks like a lot of awesome battles. But it can only be the best Episode III that Episodes 1 and 2 allow, with him being forced to tie up and eliminate a lot of threads he had no reason to create in the first place (or just ignore them entirely, like midichlorians and Gungans). It cannot hope to be the best that there could ever have been. Which is really a pity.
M. Scott
L.Rawlins
03-13-2005, 12:03 AM
Ungh...
Could you please stop trying to put words into my mouth. I said 'Lucas' and 'THIS film'. That does not set a standard, Lucas has far more reign over his produce than any other movie maker I can think of.
...
So. Because he didn't do what you wanted to see, means this would qualify as a 'failure'? The guy has his work cut out satisfying all of the fanbase completely, don't you think?
Each of the prequels had goals to achieve. Each of the prequels succeed in them. (Thus far.) Their level of extended story detailing is merely an extended arm that all of the 'die hard' fans wish had been added but would have otherwise alienated an entire audience of new, and casual film go-ers.
You will probably favour Ep.4-6, but do they honestly offer anything more in-depth? I would imagine those new to Star Wars were more than happy with what Ep.1-(3) had to offer, and the SW fanbase grew because of them.
Had they endeavoured to satisfy all of the intricacies the stories have manifested over the years the auditorium would have been nothing but awash with robe wearing fanboys... and fangirls, and would have made no sense to anybody but them.
@Kole : You must be sitting there chuckling at how right you were... :D
b.Schulz
03-13-2005, 01:38 AM
Grievious is in the trailer !! I think Obiwan can testify...he gets a huge punch in the face !
edit : after watching again Obi avoid the kick...but still G. he's trying ! ;)
Looks like grevious's rt. foot is missing in that shot. so weird.
I'm really looking forward to the action aspect of EP3. May can't come soon enough.
Kimotion
03-13-2005, 02:25 AM
I was hoping that Palpatine would kill Padme with Force Lightning as Vader stood by and did nothing, making the end of ROTJ that much more poignant and really giving a sense of triumph to the moment that Anakin says "No more." Alas, no such "echo" ever takes place. Lucas put in a gag about Jango Fett banging his head on doorways and yet missed something like THIS?!
I have to disagree. If Anakin were to let Padme be Korean BBQ'd by Palpatine, then Darth Vader would've had absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever, even when he saves Luke.
Geta-Ve
03-13-2005, 02:28 AM
anakin in ep 2 reminds me of a whiney kid that crys because he doesnt get his way all the time, and alot of that is showing in the 3rd trailer.. but at least hes doing something about it this time :p
dimension10
03-13-2005, 02:35 AM
wow! that looks sick!
Ezekiel19
03-13-2005, 04:04 AM
ENJOY:
00:06 - 20th Century Fox Logo
00:10 - Lucasfilm Logo
00:11 - Theta class shuttle flies past the camera towards Coruscant.
00:15 - Senate building at dusk.
00:17 - Close-up of Palpatine speaking to Anakin in the opera house.
00:25 - Close-up of Anakin responding to Palpatine.
00:27 - Close-up of Palpatine's response to Anakin.
00:30 - Shuttle flies towards Palpatine's office building.
00:31 - Obi-Wan and Anakin walk down stairs in the Jedi Temple.
00:33 - Obi-Wan speaks to Anakin.
00:34 - Palpatine rises from his chair during the Jedi's visit to his private office.
00:35 - Grevious' Magma Droid guard and two Battle Droids.
00:36 - Anakin responds to Obi-Wan.
00:37 - Capital ships fire on each other.
00:38 - Large cannons inside a capital ship are hit, throwing the Clones around.
00:40 - The Mon Calamari water globes in the opera house.
00:42 - Palpatine walks Anakin out of his private office.
00:44 - Mace speaking to Obi-Wan in a Republic Gunship flying through Coruscant.
00:45 - Tri-Fighter droids fire.
00:46 - Arc Fighter is hit by droid fire.
00:47 - Debris (possibly the Arc Fighter) complete with Clone bodies drifting in space.
00:48 - Palpatine speaks to Anakin in his office.
00:50 - Anakin listens to Palpatine.
00:51 - Palpatine walks down some steps as he continues to speak.
00:52 - Anakin at the Jedi Council. Ki-Adi-Mundi and Plo Koon are holograms.
00:55 - Mace speaks to Anakin.
00:56 - Anakin's response. "What?"
00:57 - Close-up of Obi-Wan in his Council chair.
00:58 - Anakin paces past Padme's apartment window.
00:59 - Padme looks concerned at Anakin.
00:59 - A Clone fires a capital ship cannon.
01:00 - Cannon fire hits a Separatist ship gun.
01:01 - Explosion inside the Separatist ship with running droids.
01:02 - An evil looking Anakin on the bridge of Grevious' flagship. The Battle of Coruscant can be seen behind him.
01:04 - Anakin, shirtless, looking distressed in the middle of the night. Padme can be seen behind him. Maybe he had another bad dream?
01:05 - Palpatine further seduces Anakin.
01:08 - Anakin, on Grevious' flagship, ignites his saber and comes at the camera in his best batting stance.
01:08 - Anakin raises his saber and swings towards Dooku.
01:09 - Anakin and Dooku's sabers clash.
01:10 - Mace and posse enter Palpatine's private office.
01:11 - Mace and posse ignite their sabers.
01:13 - Close-up of Palpatine.
01:15 - Palpatine produces his saber from up his sleeve.
01:16 - Palpatine rushes Mace and his posse.
01:16 - Mace gets defensive.
01:17 - Grevious' ship flies away from Utapau.
01:18 - Obi-Wan surrounded by droids on Utapau. A cloaked Grevious and his bodyguards can be seen in the background.
01:19 - A smoking Capital ship begins to crash…
01:21 - Bail Organa takes cover behind his speeder, yelling at someone off-camera as blue blaster fire is seen overhead.
01:22 - Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter flies towards a sinkhole on Utapau.
01:23 - Anakin hangs from a ledge in an elevator shaft.
01:25 - The lava planet of Mustafar.
01:26 - Grevious swings a right hook at Obi-Wan on Utapau.
01:27 - Wookiees jump off a moving vehicle in the waters on Kashyyyk.
01:30 - The Jedi Temple with a large column of smoke.
01:31 - Darth Sidious declares all Jedi as traitors.
01:32 - Obi-Wan turns to the camera while surrounded by droids on Utapau.
01:33 - Mace points his saber at Palpatine.
01:34 - Close-up of Yoda opening his eyes. This is possibly during his time at Polis Massa.
01:35 - Chewbacca lives!
01:36 - The blue-accented Tantive VI flies past the camera towards Coruscant.
01:38 - Anakin looking evil with his hood up.
01:40 - Overhead shot of Anakin leading Clonetroopers into the Jedi Temple.
01:41 - Low shot of Anakin leading the Clones into the Temple.
01:43 - Aayla and her clones on Felucia.
01:44 - Ki-Adi-Mundi turns to the camera.
01:45 - Close-up of Clones as they carry out their orders.
01:46 - Hooded Anakin walks down a hallway.
01:47 - Anakin chops down the Separatist leaders on Mustafar.
01:48 - A saddened Obi-Wan poses a question to Yoda in the Jedi Temple.
01:49 - Anakin chops down another Separatist leader.
01:50 - Wide shot of Anakin on a Mustafar walkway.
01:51 - Close-up of Anakin on the same walkway.
01:52 - Yoda knows that Anakin has been a bad little Jedi.
01:54 - Nute Gunray, Viceroy of the Trade Federation, isn't looking too happy to see Anakin.
01:54 - Nute Gunray, Viceroy of the Trade Federation, is no more.
01:55 - Threepio on Padme's balcony is feeling so helpless.
01:56 - Anakin's Jedi Starfighter dodges two seeking missiles in space above Coruscant.
01:57 - Padme cries.
01:58 - Overhead shot of Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling on Mustafar.
01:58 - Anakin and Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighters go into a diving roll during the Battle of Coruscant.
01:59 - Close-up of Wookiees riding the same vehicle from before.
02:00 - Obi-Wan and Anakin duel in a hallway leading to the Mustafar conference room.
02:00 - Darth Sidious fires Force lightening.
02:00 - Force lightening smacks into a shocked Yoda.
02:01 - Close-up of Anakin and Obi-Wan's hands as they try to Force push each other.
02:01 - Close-up of Obi-Wan as he struggles to maintain his Force push against Anakin.
02:02 - Clone Juggernaut fires missiles on a Kashyyyk beach.
02:03 - Arc fighters avoid explosions in the Battle of Coruscant.
02:03 - Close-up of a brave R2-D2 during the Battle of Coruscant.
02:04 - Obi-Wan leaps backwards onto a pipe on Mustafar during The Duel.
02:05 - Evil Anakin moves towards the camera on Mustafar.
02:06 - A devastated Obi-Wan cries "You were the chosen one!" at Anakin.
02:07 - A Separatist ship cannon fires.
02:07 - A capitol ship gun explodes.
02:08 - Darth Sidious uses the Force to hurl senate pods at Yoda.
02:09 - Yoda rolls out of the way to avoid the flying senate pods.
02:10 - Darth Sidious laughs at Yoda.
02:11 - The Battle of Kasyyyk rages in a lagoon.
02:13 - A walkway on Mustafar is doused with liquid hot mag-ma.
02:14 - Obi-Wan and Anakin duel fiercely on a Mustafar walkway.
02:14 - Close-up of Yoda highlighted by the blue light from Force lightening.
02:15 - Mace Windu makes a desperate kick.
02:15 - Obi-Wan and Anakin's Jedi Starfighters begin to roll to avoid a barrage of missiles and an exploding ship in the Battle of Coruscant.
02:16 - Obi-Wan and Anakin duel on Mustafar.
02:16 - A capital ship begins to break in two during the Battle of Coruscant.
02:17 - Anakin, hanging on a cable on Mustafar, begins to swing his saber towards the camera.
02:18 - Obi-Wan and Anakin swing on Mustafar cables and clash sabers.
02:19 - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith title.
02:22 - Darth Vader and The Emperor on the bridge of a Star Destroyer.
02:24 - Credits
02:27 - The Saga is Complete. May 19th.
DorkmanScott
03-13-2005, 05:57 AM
Lucas has far more reign over his produce than any other movie maker I can think of.
That is true, I have to concede.
So. Because he didn't do what you wanted to see, means this would qualify as a 'failure'? The guy has his work cut out satisfying all of the fanbase completely, don't you think?
And don't you think that with so much of the fanbase, who grew up with these films, unsatisfied, that could be defined as a failure?
Each of the prequels had goals to achieve. Each of the prequels succeed in them. (Thus far.) Their level of extended story detailing is merely an extended arm that all of the 'die hard' fans wish had been added but would have otherwise alienated an entire audience of new, and casual film go-ers.
If the original film could draw such a huge audience throwing The Force, Jedi, Chewbacca/Wookiees, Darth Vader, lightsabers, and all the other stuff straight in from left field, I think the casual audience would have accepted a decently sculpted series of prequels. He's adding to a story. He should add more to it than running time.
I think a good writer could have done all three prequels in one tightly-written film and still hit all the major beats, AND been accessible to the casual as well as die-hard moviegoer. Granted that would have been less entertaining, but my point is that it's not hard to fulfill what it's necessary to fulfill in the prequel trilogy, given what we know about that period from the original films. That leaves lots of room for what you call "extended story detailing" and I prefer to simply think of as "storytelling."
You will probably favour Ep.4-6, but do they honestly offer anything more in-depth?
Well, they offer: characters we care about, humor that works, intrigue, suspense, philosophy (pop though it may be), surprise twist endings, and other well-plotted elements that the prequels lack.
I would imagine those new to Star Wars were more than happy with what Ep.1-(3) had to offer, and the SW fanbase grew because of them.
Can't argue because I don't know those statistics. I do know a guy who had lived his life by Star Wars, owned all the toys from 1977, and sold them all after Episode II having lost his love for the franchise.
Had they endeavoured to satisfy all of the intricacies the stories have manifested over the years the auditorium would have been nothing but awash with robe wearing fanboys... and fangirls, and would have made no sense to anybody but them.
I think Lucas assumes too MUCH that you already know all the intricacies. The Jedi Mind Trick in Phantom Menace is never explained, it assumes you've seen A New Hope. The entire prequel trilogy is designed based on the assumption that you know Anakin becomes Darth Vader.
This is not fanboy minutae I'm talking about, these are things that make for good storytelling (setting up a future payoff) that Lucas has neglected.
Instead of throwing in lines for Obi-Wan like "Why do I get the feeling you'll be the death of me?", he could have focused his foreshadowing efforts on something a little less frivolous.
Anyway, as I'm sure someone is prepared to point out, I'll be there May 19 for the first show at midnight. I'll probably laugh and applaud and cheer with the rest of the die-hard fanboys. I am sure that for two and a half hours, I will enjoy myself. And if it's as good as this trailer makes it look, I might just see it more than once before it leaves theatres.
I just think it's unfortunate that Lucas fumbled the greatest opportunity in cinematic history: to make brilliant films into a brilliant saga through retroactive storytelling. We're up to our necks in prequels these days, but SW was a first. I'll watch the movies, I'll show them to my kids, but I still think it's a pity.
M. Scott
Nemoid
03-13-2005, 07:15 AM
IMO, Lucas intention in Episode I and in prequels originally was to suggest a subtle sense of conspiracy, plotting in the republic, and of course predestination in anakin's life.
he also wanted to suggest the calm derived from being a mature Jedi, the determination together with sweetness in Padme and much more. Lucas in some way wanted to make a more mature SW storytelling.
but all these elements grew bad.
he didn't utilize them well.it seems to me that this kind of storytelling isn't in Lucas chords.
ithere's also a problem of character developing. in some way they're not very deep. but also in the old trilogy they weren't deep.
its also a problem of rithm and editing,(editing in particular makes the greatness of a movie) even in music i think, just because despite Williams made a wonderful work, music was not so amazing and streamlined. Probably in Lucas mind, music had to be more subtle, but that didn' work that good.
and there was also lack of real good humour. everyone came to hate Jar Jar just because he seemed only stupid and inspired no great laugh indeed. i personally liked more Watto. but no great humour and irony coming from a char like Ian solo and Chewie couple, and also the two droids.
Qui Gon was not so a deep character, not at the same level of Obi wan when we see him in chapter IV. this clearly didn't help to make better movies. Obi wan s quite well defined as a char in the prequels, instead. maybe the performance of ewan mc gregor is better than Liam Neeson one.
so, with all these elements badly mixed together the movies ended to be really boring in some parts.
now ep III. it can really be a good movie if Lucas too made a good twist and start to direct into a more dramatic way, with humour accents here and there.
now we have all the strong elements : the emperor, vader and also Obi wan being mature, Chewie and the two droids in all their glory!! we also should have two kids that Padme will have to save fom her- husband ?-Anakin and from Palpatine's claws. we also have great evil chars like Count Dooku. i dunno about grievous, and obviously Anakin in Sith version as well. a better editing could complete the job very well, and a good and honest movie could be done.
Lunatique
03-13-2005, 08:48 AM
OK, I have never been a Star Wars fanboy. Even as a youngin, I was never really into it. Of course I've seen all the SW films, and played some of the games, but it always felt too fluffy and a bit too light for my taste. HOWEVER, I have to say, this trailer looks like it might just be the best SW yet. But, only time will tell. . ..
thx1138
03-13-2005, 11:04 AM
Seeing this new trailer really get's people excited. I looks absolutely awesome. Darker than the other 2. In the first trilogy, EP5 was also the darkest of the 3, and therefore the best. I guess we like it when the bad guys win :D
But I really really hope they didn't forget that important rule: Plot matters. FX are just a method of telling the story. I'd rather see the last SW film ever with a good plot, than just action and FX. Look at Matrix 3. Looks awesome. But the story sucks.
Kyena
03-13-2005, 11:08 AM
I am looking forward to see EP III after seeing the full length trailer even more now. But than I am a geek and easy to please when it comes to SW :D
On a sidenote - I was totally surprised to see the Ending of Return of the Jedi on the extended DVD - didn't expect to see the "new" Anakin appear. However the first actor kinda gets the short end now I guess :/
caulfield
03-13-2005, 12:14 PM
Say what? They edited the ending of the original Jedi and dropped in the new Anikin? Shit, why don't they just make a big fat shitty CG version of Jaba!
and about the films - I have no idea what happened in the last two, really. can't remember a single thing...empire, clones, federation, wtf? A whole bunch of subplots tied around something that was just too confusing.
But we gotta remember - these are movies that are aimed at people without pubes.
Boone
03-13-2005, 08:04 PM
Re: Spike.
"But we gotta remember - these are movies that are aimed at people without pubes."
Yeah, whatever, mate. :rolleyes:
kromekat
03-13-2005, 08:17 PM
But we gotta remember - these are movies that are aimed at people without pubes.
{checks his} - Well, mine are still here after some 25 years, and this film is definitely for me. :cool:
Say what? They edited the ending of the original Jedi and dropped in the new Anikin? Shit, why don't they just make a big fat shitty CG version of Jaba!
and about the films - I have no idea what happened in the last two, really. can't remember a single thing...empire, clones, federation, wtf? A whole bunch of subplots tied around something that was just too confusing.
But we gotta remember - these are movies that are aimed at people without pubes.
Thats soo true!! :scream:
OK, I have never been a Star Wars fanboy. Even as a youngin, I was never really into it. Of course I've seen all the SW films, and played some of the games, but it always felt too fluffy and a bit too light for my taste. HOWEVER, I have to say, this trailer looks like it might just be the best SW yet. But, only time will tell. . ..
hmmm sounds familiar.Can somebody revive the episode 2 trailer thread from 3 yrs ago...:scream:
onlooker
03-13-2005, 10:43 PM
Holy Crap! I still have goose bumps. Thanks for posting that. WOW! I'm watching it again. :bounce:
markbones
03-14-2005, 01:32 AM
Must... resist... urge to post...
I will now enter full Star Wars geek mode.
All the CG, action, and eye candy is nice, as would be quality dialogue and performance. What I am looking forward to, and I hope is addressed are all the story points that need to be resolved based on what we know from episode IV.
* Padme has to become pregnant - with twins.
* The twins have to be left on Tatooine in the care of Owen and Beru. Or Luke is, Leia is put in the hands of someone else in order to separate them and keep at least one safe - she goes by the last name Organa.
* Leia knows (or was taught) her father was a good guy in the Clone Wars, as she mentions to Obi Wan in her message.
* Anakin/Vader has to not know about his kids, or somehow not care, or believe them to be irrelevant once he becomes evil enough. In Empire he seems totally unaware that Luke has a sister...
* We know the Jedi get wiped out - and we see this in the trailer, so issue addressed.
* Obi-Wan also must end up on Tatooine.
* Yoda ends up on Degobah.
* R2D2 and C3PO must have their memories wiped out - they know nothing of Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, or the rebellion (at the beginning of Episode IV).
Probably some other stuff too, but I am too tired to type more.
Or, we'll see Darth Vader emerge, the movie will end, none of these issues will be addressed because they're 20 years down the Star Wars road, and we'll be left to imagine how things transpired. This is what worries me.
Exit Star Wars geek mode.
BTW: What a crappy segment on 60 Minutes.
Stahlberg
03-14-2005, 08:08 AM
Had they endeavoured to satisfy all of the intricacies the stories have manifested over the years the auditorium would have been nothing but awash with robe wearing fanboys... and fangirls, and would have made no sense to anybody but them.
Hardly... and that's not the point. Ep1 and 2 were sub-par simply because of sub-par writing craft - characterization, pacing, exposition, dialogue, plot (even allowing for the plot points that had to be there), POV, structure, subtext, etc. Note I'm only saying sub-par, not bad, sucky or awful. (And comparing them only to the first 3 is irrelevant, there are many other comparisons to be made besides.)
But I agree with everyone else, this trailer looks magnificent and I'll definitely be seeing this movie. :)
kromekat
03-14-2005, 10:29 AM
* The twins have to be left on Tatooine in the care of Owen and Beru. Or Luke is, Leia is put in the hands of someone else in order to separate them and keep at least one safe - she goes by the last name Organa.
* Leia knows (or was taught) her father was a good guy in the Clone Wars, as she mentions to Obi Wan in her message.
* Obi-Wan also must end up on Tatooine.
Well on those 3 points - it's fair to assume the twins are born in this movie, and Obi would take Luke to Tatooine, where'd he'd then live nearby to 'watch over' him. Afterall, he did turn up at just the right time when Luke was in peril in ANH.
Bail Organa (Jimmy Smitts) has a far more active role in this film, he is in the trailer. He becomes the adoptive father of Leia, and takes her back to Alderaan.
caulfield
03-14-2005, 11:41 AM
http://www.viceland.com/issues_au/v2n8/htdocs/poster.php
Fellas.
markbones
03-14-2005, 11:56 AM
Well on those 3 points - it's fair to assume the twins are born in this movie, and Obi would take Luke to Tatooine, where'd he'd then live nearby to 'watch over' him. Afterall, he did turn up at just the right time when Luke was in peril in ANH.
Bail Organa (Jimmy Smitts) has a far more active role in this film, he is in the trailer. He becomes the adoptive father of Leia, and takes her back to Alderaan.
I agree about Bail Organa, but I hope we are shown this in the movie, and we're not left to assume this because of what we already know :)
In ANH, Obi Wan shows up because Luke is in the middle of nowhere looking for R2, not because Obi Wan was looking out for him. Luke does know (of) Ben Kenobi, so they've had some contact before. Uncle Owen does not seem to be too fond of Ben, the crazy old hermit.
I don't want us to be left to assume these things, I want to see them explained. Although, I *suppose* it's not outrageous if we are left to assume. Maybe I will be forgiving on these points. We'll see, we'll see...
kromekat
03-14-2005, 12:13 PM
I agree about Bail Organa, but I hope we are shown this in the movie, and we're not left to assume this because of what we already know :)
In ANH, Obi Wan shows up because Luke is in the middle of nowhere looking for R2, not because Obi Wan was looking out for him. Luke does know (of) Ben Kenobi, so they've had some contact before. Uncle Owen does not seem to be too fond of Ben, the crazy old hermit.
I don't want us to be left to assume these things, I want to see them explained. Although, I *suppose* it's not outrageous if we are left to assume. Maybe I will be forgiving on these points. We'll see, we'll see...
Yes I see what you mean - I hope it's given at least some screen time, and preferably not rushed like the 'marriage' at the end of AOTC - that always seemed weak to me.
Obi shows up yes, but why would he just happen to be nearby if there wasn't some kind of awareness of what was happening with Luke at any given time? - this 'force aware' concept has been demonstrated many times within both trilogies! - <--OMG I sound like a fanboy! :argh:
I think this is going to be a great end to the story personally, but then I really enjoyed the last 2 despite their apparent flaws, and although I have watched them from different perspectives at different times, when I am open to just taking it all in and enjoying them, the flaws don't irritate me nearly as much, as when I enter 'critic mode'.
I watched the ANH and ESB DVDs this weekend with my 4.5 year old daughter, and she is in awe of the whole thing - totally immersed in the visuals AND the whole balance of good and evil, and although I never really lost that sense of wonder of SW like many here appear to have, it definitely refreshes it all when you can see it again through the eyes of a child, because at it's core, it will always be one of the greatest reinterpretations of a million classic stories. The only sad thing is that I really wanted here to see the new one at the cinema, and that will be a definite no-no if it's a 13 cert.
ithere's also a problem of character developing. in some way they're not very deep. but also in the old trilogy they weren't deep.
Qui Gon was not so a deep character, not at the same level of Obi wan when we see him in chapter IV. this clearly didn't help to make better movies. Obi wan s quite well defined as a char in the prequels, instead. maybe the performance of ewan mc gregor is better than Liam Neeson one.
I agree with this assesment though I wouldn't but the blame on Liam Neeson, his character simply wasn't developed enough in the movie. Qui Gon was just in a couple of cool scenes and came off as a powerful jedi but we know little of him and considering who his pupil is I think that in itself should have given thought to developing him more in the prequels. I say this because it wasn't like he was just a ordinary mediocre jedi and had a prodigy for a student, he moreso comes off as one of the most energetic/skillful jedi's seen but isn't fully portrayed that way. Instead of any real insight into the character he just bicker a bunch at obi but obviously in the few action scenes he is in you can see he is skilled and that's it. They failed to portray him in any light a great teacher/user of the force, or that he contributed to obi wan's success as a jedi they just kill him off before he fully develops. Mace windu is another character who didn' ge enough screen time same problem great jedi master by word not deed, they tried to artificial give him this feel by killing the much loved merc in the series with one stroke, well that didn't do justice to either of the characters.
Boone
03-14-2005, 10:36 PM
I saw Qui-Gon as the father-figure of the gang in TPM. I think his character's death left a feeling of "how will the kids cope without Dad there to guide them?" - it was a bit like he was trying to keep them all out of trouble whilst every problem wasn't on a cosmic scale - a bit like a single-parent facing everyday problems... :lightbulb
And as TPM was the first episode of the Star Wars saga and showed us the Galaxy through the eyes of a child, I think Qui-Gon gave the audience a "shoulder to lean on". If only Liam Neeson was allowed more leverage over his acting and dialogue in the film, his character would have been even better...but I'm pleased with him all the same. :hmm:
kmest
03-15-2005, 08:57 PM
http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/lucasfilm/hyperspace/rednalob_480_dl.mov
it's the only one which works for me
but the trailer....was just WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.....i dont tell anything,better be quiet,do not tell anything which will cause a WAR again,go some corner in my house,stay there and wait till the movie comes :D :drool:
RamiroP
03-16-2005, 02:21 PM
I think I am a little late, but... does anyone has a working link for the 640 version of this trailer? None of the movie-list links work.
Thanks.
StephanD
03-16-2005, 03:29 PM
I am speechless...No other trailer has ever done it.
denis_the_menace
03-19-2005, 05:31 AM
can't wait for it. looks jam-packed with action and a lot darker than ESB.
Obi-Wan said it in Ep. IV - it's 'the dark times'
Revelation 23
03-19-2005, 10:10 AM
Tried the other links mentioned, none seem to work at the moment (well, I didn't try every one)
But...
http://www.movie-list.com/trailers.php?id=starwars3
Got both the teaser and the trailer in QT format, hi and lo-rez. Enjoy.
Spankspeople
03-19-2005, 02:31 PM
Yeah, sorry guys. I had to take the trailer off my site. You guys managed to kill my bandwidth in a little under an evening, though luckily it was right at the end of my monthly cycle so it came back within a week or so.
ThirdEye
03-20-2005, 11:47 PM
Looks great so far, ILM's doing a fantastic job.
unclebob
03-21-2005, 12:21 AM
the link posted by Kmest worked for me and it was damn fast at over 500KB/sec, the fastest I've had until this is 285 KB/sec. 4mbs cable modem
theimagefreak
03-21-2005, 07:04 AM
I believe that Episode III will be far better than the other two... will be more focused on character development... altough i'm sure will see a lot of FX (i don't mind :))!
We just have to wait and see... too bad it's the last movie from this wonderfull univers! :banghead:
B'bye!!!
samartin
03-21-2005, 11:31 AM
Certainly looks interesting and maybe the 1st time I will go to the cinema to watch a new generation SW flick...
Boone
03-25-2005, 09:33 PM
Re: Samartin.
You never went to see the first two? :eek:
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO POST ON A STAR WARS THREAD! :wip:
BTW - hows life? :)
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