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mojokdirector
03-08-2005, 02:52 AM
We here at mojok studios have been talking about a game concept for a while and would like to share it with the rest of you. It not only would be a new type of game, but a new way of playing games and maybe even searching the internet.



We have read quite a bit about the University of Pittsburgh’s research on the body’s ability to learn to control separate limbs.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4275245.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4275245.stm) The monkey that is being tested on has learned to control a robotic arm as if it is his own because of its connection to his brain. At first the arm only moved when his real arm did, but now he can move the robotic arm by its self. A computer in the middle of this process translates the signals into electrical movements of the arm. Our concept is that we should try doing the same thing except remove the robotic arm and make it a digital limb, or an entire digital body, and instead of plugging something into the brain, use something similar to they concept used to make brain ball work. http://www.moberg.com/files/products/brainball.htm (http://www.moberg.com/files/products/brainball.htm).



We would make the device read the signals remotely, so there doesn’t have to be any form of physical intrusion. Another concept we were thinking about is digital eyes and nose and ears, or even nervous system (though the last may be pushing thing way to far in many eyes). If you can learn to control and communicate with a new arm, why not a new digital eye? This would add another level however because we would need to able to send signals back to the brain and we don’t want any hackers hacking peoples brains. This would allow us make games where you could completely immerse yourself in the environment of the game and be able to be limited only by the physics or rules of the game.



Picture yourself on a massive battle field amongst elves and ogres or as an alien or marine rushing into battle. You could fly and dodge and weave on your sky board or race in a high speed jet cycle race. You could even create strategy game where you sit at your command station and try to take over the world while others try to do the same or infiltrate your command station and maybe fight you hand to hand. You could be any sports superstar while you were playing or visit distant galaxies. All forms of gaming would bring on new meaning; strategy, mmorpgs, sports, simulators, first person shooter, or whatever game style you love would have a new level to it.


It is a dreamy idea but we are hoping we will eventually be able to get a team together to make a machine and game using this concept.

-Mojok

foe
03-16-2005, 01:18 AM
interesting concept/idea .just wondering what kind of backdrop or world you would be using for the background?

the_real_remi
03-16-2005, 08:05 AM
why not creating a special uniform, all covered with tiny devices that transfer all the touch from the game to your body? of course it would include headphones and 3d glasses. I would prefer this option rather than controlling sth remotely via thoughts, as this would require some movement from the players - sth they usually have to little.

mojokdirector
03-17-2005, 04:40 AM
The world would probably start out as a futuristic city at first because it is an easy environment to play with the possibilities of the technology. But we are hoping if we can pull this off many gaming companies will use the technology to create there own worlds and games for whatever genre they prefer.

As far as the movement concept, it is a very feasible concept infect there are already products out there like that. The problem is there are far too many limitations and irritating factors for a product like that to become popular. People do use suits like that for animating because you can do a little at a time.

Gamers don’t want to be run after someone in a game and have to worry about running into a wall or desk.

foe
03-17-2005, 11:20 PM
not sure if you have checked out MojoWorld or not .

i've been a faithful user since its release several years ago.
if you want to check it out they have a free download to try it out at pandromeda.com
good luck with your idea !!!

Iridium
03-18-2005, 02:02 PM
I noticed you were from my neck of the woods so I had to say hi! How is RodentPark these days?

Anyway sounds like a VERY interesting idea, in fact it reminds me of a book by Tad Williams called "Otherland". I would say check it out but I thought it was too verbose.

I can't imagine where the game industry will lead us as new technologies such as the ones you mentioned evolve/develop. Playing games such as WoW or EQ2 (not trying to start a v.s. war here) would take on a completly new meaning.

Looking forward to seeing your 'dreamy idea' develop further.

mojokdirector
03-22-2005, 11:53 AM
Thank you for the info on Mojoworld



What I see of Rohnert Park is doing well, I can see how someone who lived there for to long might come up with a name like "Rodent Park" though. There really isn't much to it.



As far as the mmorpgs you mentioned I actually have thought about both games in terms of this technology and it really would be an amazing experience. I really think this technology could bring whole new levels of entertainment to games.

1nc0gn1t0
04-05-2005, 11:49 PM
Are you going to build this hardware yourself or is it available somewhere? We had problems just tring to seperate the 3 main brain signals and such, but we only spent 7 months on it.

mojokdirector
04-06-2005, 04:23 AM
We are hoping to build the hardware but we are going to need to bring in people with more experience in this area when we get some more funding to back the project.

mojokdirector
04-30-2005, 03:21 AM
Why research a project that has already been researched?
We wound some people that are just that ahead of their time.

t-man152
04-30-2005, 06:35 PM
why go after the gaming market? if I understand what you want is to have a piece of hardware that can control a digital limb like a hand and such inside a computer. if so why not sell it as a tool. using this could revolutionize modelling, and animation. why not sell it as a tool and then let it trickle down into the gaming market? You can make more money selling it as a tool than as a toy.

and before I get flamed: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY

Closlight
05-01-2005, 07:14 AM
Hehe...T-man152, your right! There is nothing wrong with making money.

As for this brain/computer interface...I think that it will be a long time before we actually see human to computer interfaces which not only interpret signals from the brain but also transmit to it as well. As a graduate student in the digital arts, I have had the chance to work on a Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) system. Although I didn't know much about the brain, I learned plenty and fast about how far we have actually come to bridging the human/machine gap. The GSR works by measuring the resistance of the skin to the passage of a very small electric current, the more relaxed you are, the more current can pass through your system. We managed to make a game (if you want to call it a game) that works on GSR. Baasically the more relaxed you are, the more you move a cursor on a computer screen to the left....if it moves to the right it means you are not relaxed. I think this is similiar to the system that "Brainball" uses (posted earlier) except I saw it done with a finger sensor instead of a headband.

There are more intrusive systems that actually use a probe into the brain which allow more complicated control (like the monkey with the robotic arm) and there are also systems for the hearing regions of the brain. But all these systems only work with the motorsensor systems of the brain...not the optical (vision), not the olefactory/semiochemical (smell) and, most importantly and controversial, not the cognitive system (memory).

Although we are making progress in this area almost every 6 months, the brain is still a complex and virtually unknown organ.

I don't know if you guys know about this but there is a system that works with a head band and supposedly allows realtime control of computer generated images. Seems promising for the gaming applications of this tool since it works with real time graphics.
here's a link: http://www.ibva.com/

Good luck with your project!

mojokdirector
05-01-2005, 07:04 PM
Actually you nailed it, that’s the company we have been talking to. Their device can export in ways other then what is shown on their website.

JMcWilliams
05-01-2005, 11:43 PM
Sounds cool. Probably going be quite a number of years until it gets practical though :D So i'll stick to my tablet and mouse for the time being.

mojokdirector
05-02-2005, 01:34 AM
Yea It looks like the price will be around $1700 when first released but I'm hoping if this mod brings quite a few sales to the company (or at least shows promise to) making the hardware they will be able to lower the price significantly.

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