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macievelli
03-02-2005, 04:09 AM
I've been digging around the web lately in many different forums reading up about LCD and CRT and the debate surrounding them. In my searches I've found very little mention of a really great company, LaCie. The CRT's they make use teh NEC/Mitsu tubes (to my knowledge). The product I've been most surprised by is their 21" LaCie 321 LCD (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10503). The aspect that sets this monitor head and shoulders above the rest is the color gamut. All the other LCD's I've researched have an 8-bit gamut color range. The LaCie 321 has a 10-bit gamut!!!

In other words 1024 levels of tonal value instead of 256....talk about smooth gradiations! Thats almost the same tonal range as a CRT! I'd realy like to see the difference that makes....nobody else on the market (that I'm aware of) has that kind of tonal gamut range. That's just huge. As an example to LCD owners: Create a two color gradiation the full size of your screen, from top to bottom. No matter how high your image resolution is, you will more than likely see a banding of the tonal value. That's 8-bit (256) color gamut. Imagine that boosted to 1024 levels! The rest of the specs on it seem pretty comparable to the other top-end LCD's out there as well.

Granted, it is a bit pricey, but if you are buying a 21" LCD, this is a product worth looking into. If anyone is aware of any other manufacturers offering 10-bit color gamut, please respond and let me know! I've been looking!

I don't see it getting much better than this until the MOLED and OLED screens hit.

opus13
03-02-2005, 06:08 AM
it says 10bit gamma correction, not 10bit color sampling. a true 10bit gamut would be insane, and they would instantly be sold out from all of the color pro's ordering.

Jackdeth
03-02-2005, 06:15 AM
LCD's are a waste for anything other than Sys Admining, modeling, or animating. Most other aspects of production require you to only use CRTs. We have the "nice" sony 24' ones and its impossible to get the colors correct on them. There is a funky non-linear color response that wehn combined with a lack of fine controls makes it not color safe.

To spend a lot of money on a fancy LCD seems to be dumb in my opinon. They only make sense if you are really tight on space, and you have no other choice.

dmthurman
03-02-2005, 06:20 AM
I'm inclined towards something more like this......

http://www.go-l.com/monitors/athens/features/index.htm

everyone needs a 110" wide monitor.....:D

Virum
03-02-2005, 06:27 AM
LCD's are a waste for anything other than Sys Admining, modeling, or animating. Most other aspects of production require you to only use CRTs. We have the "nice" sony 24' ones and its impossible to get the colors correct on them. There is a funky non-linear color response that wehn combined with a lack of fine controls makes it not color safe.

To spend a lot of money on a fancy LCD seems to be dumb in my opinon. They only make sense if you are really tight on space, and you have no other choice.

Wow, I'm glad I came across this thread (and that other one about the Dell monitor); I was going to "upgrade" my monitor to a big LCD one, but I think I'll hold off on that.

What's your favorite CRT monitor, Jackdeth? I'm using a ViewSonic e95; I'd like to upgrade to something a bit bigger and "flatter."

Jackdeth
03-02-2005, 07:43 AM
The Sony flat 24' CRTs are really good.....but they stopped making them. I'm looking into other ones now, and once I find something I like I'll post it here.

Virum
03-02-2005, 07:45 AM
Thanks, Jackdeth. :)

DanSilverman
03-02-2005, 08:07 AM
Not only is that LaCie monitor overpriced, but the pixel response time (20 ms) way to high. Pixel response times need to be at the most 16 ms or better in order to avoid obvios ghosting when moving something or seeing something moving on the screen. There are other monitors with better response time and similar sizes for hundreds of dollars less.

halo
03-02-2005, 10:01 AM
definately worth checking out this thread...

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@775.Ymdddv3TXs5.8@.3bb6c5b8/179

logon as guest/guest

serious colour heads in there...pay particular attention to the LCD monitors ability to display the narrow gamut sRGB, but an inability to display wider gamut spaces such as AdobeRGB.

Also pay attention to the stopping of CRT production!

It seems that LCD's are still behind the times and I agree with what JD said...for serious colour work I haven't seen an LCD capable of delivering what an CRT can...that said even then there's only a handful of CRT monitors that are good enough for serious colour work...older Lacie III's (better than the IV's), sony artisans or barco references...and of course you need a hardware calibrator and a screen capable of hardware calibration to be really serious about colour.

Often colour capability colides or is unsupported with the rest of a monitors performance...in LCD monitors this can mean slower refresh times or in CRT's it can be lack of sharpness...the barcos and sonys dont seem to have this problem in their high end CRT ranges, which is probably why they start at the $3000 mark. EIzo apparently have a wide gamut LCD, its around the $5000 mark from what i can gather...for that i'd happily run two sony artisans (or keep on for when the othe breaks down)

mmkelly011881
03-02-2005, 06:12 PM
password not accepted...

end of CRT? just an excuse for computer sales people to give you a bemused look and say "you're still using one of those?"

im still rockin out with my Optiquest v75 that i got 10 years ago and its the best monitor ive sat in front of... no way would i go for a LCD

Tocpe
03-02-2005, 06:43 PM
LCD's are a waste for anything other than Sys Admining, modeling, or animating. Most other aspects of production require you to only use CRTs. We have the "nice" sony 24' ones and its impossible to get the colors correct on them. There is a funky non-linear color response that wehn combined with a lack of fine controls makes it not color safe.

To spend a lot of money on a fancy LCD seems to be dumb in my opinon. They only make sense if you are really tight on space, and you have no other choice.

What about plasma Colin? Or do they even make plasma monitors yet? I'm still puttering around on a n old CRT, but I don't need anything new right away, but I am curious.

beaker
03-02-2005, 08:04 PM
definately worth checking out this thread...

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@775.Ymdddv3TXs5.8@.3bb6c5b8/179

logon as guest/guest

serious colour heads in there...pay particular attention to the LCD monitors ability to display the narrow gamut sRGB, but an inability to display wider gamut spaces such as AdobeRGB.Only trouble is that anyone related to adobe know very little about stuff related to film like log space and float color space. I don't even think float is in their dictionary. Especially since 16 bit is still fresh for them(5 years after everyone else).

beaker
03-02-2005, 08:06 PM
I would look at the Lacie electron blue crt's they sell. Luckily Sony still manufactures the actual tubes, which Lacie uses.

xynaria
03-02-2005, 08:36 PM
I would look at the Lacie electron blue crt's they sell. Luckily Sony still manufactures the actual tubes, which Lacie uses.

All the info I've seen so far is that Mitsubishi manufactured the tubes that at least the current iv series LaCie uses and that their production finished in December with Sony finishing crt monitor tube production prior to that.

swag
03-02-2005, 08:45 PM
here is a nice tft
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg220/index.asp

but my sgi 24" fw9011 is ok :)

beaker
03-02-2005, 09:21 PM
All the info I've seen so far is that Mitsubishi manufactured the tubes that at least the current iv series LaCie uses and that their production finished in December with Sony finishing crt monitor tube production prior to that.woops, sony must have made the older ones. My info is old :).

halo
03-02-2005, 09:30 PM
yes, i think lacies have been badged diamondtrons for at least since III...ours are identical, apart from the blue aspect and probably a few extra connectors.

Obsdn
03-02-2005, 09:45 PM
here is a nice tft
http://www.eizo.com/products/graphics/cg220/index.asp

but my sgi 24" fw9011 is ok :)

I hear lots of good things about Eizo, but $6500!? :eek:

DevilHacker
03-02-2005, 10:59 PM
What about plasma Colin? Or do they even make plasma monitors yet? I'm still puttering around on a n old CRT, but I don't need anything new right away, but I am curious.

Yes, many people make plasma monitors, including ViewSonic, Sony, Samsung and more. Newegg even has a page (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=list&catalog=385&DEPA=0) dedicated to the sells of plasma monitors. But as far as if they are as good as the old CRT, I am not sure. I will see what I can find, because recently I have been wondering the same question. If I can find anything Ill be sure to post it here.
http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
-Ill keep an eye out for information, DevilHacker

endernaught
03-03-2005, 01:59 AM
Nec-Mitsubishi is getting close to releasing a wide gamut LCD capable of producing all of the Adobe RGB color space. It's to be demonstrated at CeBIT this month. The panel is LED backlit.

http://www.necmitsubishi.com/press/PressDetail.cfm?document_id=1124
http://www.necmitsubishi.com/press/PressDetail.cfm?document_id=1114

Tocpe
03-03-2005, 02:27 PM
Yes, many people make plasma monitors, including ViewSonic, Sony, Samsung and more. Newegg even has a page (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=list&catalog=385&DEPA=0) dedicated to the sells of plasma monitors. But as far as if they are as good as the old CRT, I am not sure. I will see what I can find, because recently I have been wondering the same question. If I can find anything Ill be sure to post it here.
http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
-Ill keep an eye out for information, DevilHacker


Cool! thanks! :thumbsup:

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