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RobertoOrtiz
02-28-2005, 10:53 PM
Ok I am going to start posting clues for the topic of the next FXWARS...

Lets see who gets to guess it first.
(ill post more image clues every day)
-R

LightFreeze
02-28-2005, 11:54 PM
Is it a bridge?

kinda hoping I`m wrong, seeing as I`m first :)

aw3d
03-01-2005, 06:59 AM
definitely a piece of structure. with 2 colored quadratic points.
I can do the structure, but the points will be hard.
:rolleyes:

RobertoOrtiz
03-01-2005, 03:31 PM
Here is another clue..

-R

ScottageCheese
03-01-2005, 08:10 PM
UUhhhh....*eyes crossed*

ScottageCheese
03-01-2005, 08:20 PM
Is that some sort of Roman Column or something?... I hope it involves destruction, maybe I'll have time to work on this one...

RobertoOrtiz
03-01-2005, 08:25 PM
Ok here are some clues...

It is very tall and it likes spiders.

Nando3D
03-02-2005, 11:13 AM
A bridge...

droidoz
03-02-2005, 12:16 PM
Does it have something to do with high buidlings and spiderman?

RobertoOrtiz
03-02-2005, 03:46 PM
It is tall all right, but only for a while.
And 3 is the magic number.

-R

CobraX
03-02-2005, 05:10 PM
The World Trade Center?!

RobertoOrtiz
03-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Oh this is fun...


And it was part of a race.

CobraX
03-02-2005, 05:28 PM
it HAS to be a boat or a balloon!

However i don't see the link with spiders...so it's wrong...arrgh, i like this game! :)

ScottageCheese
03-02-2005, 06:52 PM
yeah, the spiders thing is throwing me off....
now is this "race" a competition?.. or "race" as in, a peoples?

Ok wait... Race.... The Space Race?... A Shuttle Launch?.... Or a Saturn 5 Rocket?

3 is the magic number.. 1) Shuttle, 2) Fuel tank, 3) Boosters?

But Spiders..............?!?!?

CobraX
03-02-2005, 07:24 PM
i agree with that shuttle thing, don't get the spiders though.

LightFreeze
03-02-2005, 10:12 PM
is it the Apollo Saturn V moon rocket?

RobertoOrtiz
03-02-2005, 10:14 PM
...and what is the spider?

-R

LightFreeze
03-02-2005, 10:16 PM
spider would be gumdrops pal

RobertoOrtiz
03-02-2005, 10:23 PM
The official name of Lunar Lander is

"the Spider..."

-R

LightFreeze
03-02-2005, 10:32 PM
Oh Boy :applause:

this could be real tough

RobertoOrtiz
03-02-2005, 10:34 PM
The name of the next Micro Challenge will be:

"From Earth to the Moon"....

more later...

-R

MasterZap
03-03-2005, 08:16 AM
NOO! You said I would love it! Rats!

Now I have to get into HIGH GEAR to complete my volcano one then! ;)

I want mayhem, not space. I've been stuck with space for 3 years now.... :scream:

/Z

advanced interaction
03-03-2005, 12:52 PM
Yeah, not a big space fan. Every time you turn on the tv there is another space series. A little over done I think.

RobertoOrtiz
03-03-2005, 01:46 PM
Ok this is the idea I had...

Think Discovery Science Channel.

You have to do a moon landing based on HARD SCIENCE.
I ask Daniel Maas (http://www.maasdigital.com/) to workas a consultant with me on this one.
He was responsible for the NASA animations of the Mars Rover landing.


The idea is to do the kind of work you would see on a HARD Science show.
The idea is to take either:

The Landings in the 60s and 70s
The Proposed Soviet Moon Landings
or if you want to,
check out the more recent proposals for our return to the moon.

The key is to do an animation based on REAL moon programs.


It is very easy to do spaceship flyovers, but it is VERY HARD to do the whole thing getting the science right.

-R
PS Dont worry master Zap, this challenge will only last a Month and a 1/2. If you want to do any other kind of challenge just post a topic HERE :CgTalk:FXWars!Topics (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=155219)

CobraX
03-03-2005, 05:38 PM
Im loving it!...i guess i should have chosen another quote...arg..

SuperMax
03-08-2005, 12:09 PM
hmm i love space.

I was thinking we might have to simulate a rocket launch

*starts salivating*

Sir_Vuclan
03-08-2005, 01:54 PM
This could be fun, the launch will be fun to make.
?'s
1. Are we doing just the landing on the moon or are we doing both the launch and landing?
2. Do our lander and rocket have to be modeled after REAL ones or can they be our own design?
3. How are we going to figure out how a REAL launch and landing trajectories are calculated, some people dedicate theirs lives to this kind of math, and we have 1 1/2 months....Bring it on...
4. lastly, and prolly most importantly, how are you going to judge the accuracy of our launches and landings?

anyways, sounds fun, see you guys at the starting line

-Sir Vulcan

Gith
03-08-2005, 04:01 PM
"The Proposed Soviet Moon Landings"

hmm that can be very interesting idea :)

Also i have a question, which Sir_Vulcan has already asked - Can we make our own rockets design? Of course they would have to be at least visual-technicaly correct, if You got my meaning.

RobertoOrtiz
03-08-2005, 06:33 PM
OK here are some answers. I would like to thank Daniel Maas for his help, answering these questions. Unless otherwise noted, the replies were done by him:




> "How are we going to figure out how a REAL launch and
> landing trajectories are calculated, some people
> dedicate theirs lives to this kind of math, and we
> have 1 1/2 months....Bring it on..."


There is no way to be sure of the exact trajectories. But, you want to
avoid things that are obviously inaccurate. e.g., if you are showing a
view from the moon, the earth should be the correct size (somewhat
larger than the moon appears from earth). Also the orbital and entry
altitudes should be reasonable - e.g. the Apollo command module
orbited about 100km above the surface of the moon, which is lower than
most people might think - the horizon is curved but it's very low
altitude.

> "Do our lander and rocket have to be modeled after
> REAL ones or can they be our own design?"

Roberto: there are more than enough real life moon proposals to go around. I will post a complete list with the rules.

Dan Maas said:
For example "... the Soviets built a moon lander they
never used - it would be cool to see it on the moon "

> "lastly, and prolly most importantly, how are you
> going to judge the accuracy of our launches and
> landings?"

I would judge against real-world references, making reasonable guesses
where necessary.

>Are we doing just the landing on the moon or are we doing both the launch and landing?
Roberto:As part of the challenge you should do at least the 3 steps of the trip. Launch, Orbit and Landing. The rest is icing on the cake.

-R

RobertoOrtiz
03-08-2005, 11:17 PM
Here is some reference:

Future missions
http://www.space-frontier.org/Projects/Moon/rtm2004.html
http://www.asi.org/
http://www.lunacorp.com/
http://www.tlrc.com/
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/chirbase.htm

More plans
http://www.moonport.org//mrbatman/TTM24/
http://www.eharm.net/shop/freeware/orbiter/tutorials/orbiter_instrument/24h.html
http://www.abo.fi/~mlindroo/Station/Slides/sld051p.htm

Apollo
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/diagrams/apollo.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V
http://www.apollosaturn.com/saturnv.htm
http://www.apollosaturn.com/modeling/modelman.htm
http://www.myspacemuseum.com/moon1.htm
http://www.retroweb.com/apollo_retrospective.html
http://www.apolloarchive.com/
http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/LMmodel.html
http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/LMintro2.html
http://www.moonport.org/documents/

http://www.myspacemuseum.com/moon1.htm

Russian Manned Program
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_manned_lunar.html
http://www.fas.org/spp/eprint/lindroos_moon1.htm
http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/mwade/craft/lk.htm
http://www.myspacemuseum.com/sovspac1.htm

RobertoOrtiz
03-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Ok change of rules. I will allow a SCI/FI moon landing. As long as it is a realistic moon landing.

2001: A Space Odyssey Models & Blueprints

http://www.2001exhibit.org/science/timeline_alt6.html

SPL
03-12-2005, 10:53 AM
Will only the accuracy/simulation be judged or also the shading/lightning/look ?
...anyway sounds like an nice idea for a contest.

Laeng
03-12-2005, 02:06 PM
I won´t have time to participate on this one, but for all who do so: here are some papers I found during research:


http://sworld.com.au/steven/pub/IAC99pap.pdf
Some formulars for the calculation of orbits, especially for Moon missions

http://vulcain.fb12.tu-berlin.de/koelle/Moonbase/Kap6.pdf
Masses and detailed technical data for various spacecrafts (SATURN VI...) including fuel, costs,... they realy leave nothing open.

Seebaer
03-14-2005, 08:57 PM
okay i have a question, i don't know wether we have to simulate this, that means that the spacecraft starts through pressure out of backburners and so on?

or is it okay to Animate the Aircraft along a spline und do Fire et cetera as Visual FXs???

I mean the Trebuchet thing was possible to simulate, but THAT?

i don't think it is possible to do a real simulation of it, where no keays are set...

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