CGTalk - Sad Street, Cetin Tuker (3D)

DanielVFX

03-01-2005, 02:55 AM

o men¡¡
this is incredible¡
realy nice textures, the flor its the best part of the pic ¡.
one obsevation-
in the right top of the image, its to perfect the union Arc-Wall maybe more noise in the geometry in this specific part of your image, and maybe a some trash in the floor.

see you men, i hope to see more of you¡¡

ali_3dartist

03-01-2005, 05:03 AM

realy realy realy nice
fantastic texturing and lighting
i m agree with daniel
can we have a wire one?

dny

03-01-2005, 06:54 AM

very cool lighting....
very nice texturing....juz dont like for the brick texture...
and like m0og0o said, it's not sad at all...it's silent street...
goodjob man...:thumbsup:

SheepFactory

03-01-2005, 07:22 AM

tebrikler cok guzel olmus :)

On sayfaya koyuyorum.

vrf

03-01-2005, 07:27 AM

Beautiful work!

Can you tell us if the ground is a texture, displacement or modeled? It's very realistic.

tlggungor

03-01-2005, 07:32 AM

supeeer olmussss :):thumbsup: ben de on sayfaya koyuyorum.:rolleyes:
GOOD WORK.

dienben

03-01-2005, 08:39 AM

Wow, lovely texture and ligthing! Congratulation:thumbsup:

Leonard

03-01-2005, 08:40 AM

Fantastic work! The lighting, detail and mood is excellent. I'm glad you posted it here. Congrats for being on the front page. :thumbsup:

Best,

Leonard

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 08:40 AM

Teşekkürler Ali Bey.

Thanks a lot guys. I will post the wire frame and some textures when I got home. I am at the office now.

After all the hard work, when I look at the image, I see minor bugs to be edited. I will edit them and I think I will study 2 more lighting schemes. one for a sunny day and 1 for at night. I want to see the lights, at the 2 sides on the door, turned on.

Thank you.

neofg

03-01-2005, 08:50 AM

yeah, wires!!! It's a fantastic render...I love stones...Is it a displacement?
Good art!!!

giraffe3d

03-01-2005, 08:55 AM

this is gr8 work :) bravo.
the stone on ground is impressive :)
congrats

erlik

03-01-2005, 08:56 AM

All in all, looks great.

There is one thing bugging me, though. Scale. The door in the back is not in scale with the the steps. If you're judging by the lamps, everything is okay. But steps look half a metre high, which is of course too much. The four of them come almost to the top of the door. OTOH, it might be a small door. But then, the lamps wouldn't be where they are, right?

Bricks seem to be problematic, too. The average brick is about 15 cm high, and these look almost twice as tall.

But the atmosphere and mood are great!

BTW, is that what doors in such small side streets in Turkey look like? In Greece they usually paint doors and windows blue, and here in Croatia they use green paint, so you get pale washed-out green after a while.

ice0425

03-01-2005, 09:11 AM

hi~it's very nice job,like ur style,very good texture!!

meykurt

03-01-2005, 09:17 AM

Hey man, you did a really good job!! this scene reminds me some scenes from the movies i watched past. Textures are great. "Eline Sağlık"

DarkSun

03-01-2005, 09:24 AM

Abi muhtesem olmush render.. Ellerine saglik :thumbsup:
Keep up the great work :applause:

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 09:40 AM

Eyvallah Aslan'ım :) :bounce:

There is no fault in scale. The larger steps on the right are not to clımb up. They are for sitting or putting flower pots on them. And also bricks are not off scale. In Turkey old bricks are 9 cm thick. So there is not a scale problem.

I will put wires soon.

mnt

03-01-2005, 10:06 AM

lovely sympathetic scene and excellent work.

Gokhan

03-01-2005, 10:10 AM

Nice job,good textures (nasil yapiyorsunuz kaplamaları akil sir erdiremiyorum.)
Did you use scanline renderer as always or G.I. this time?

gromit

03-01-2005, 10:13 AM

eleriya saglıh bobey...

ehe he hep boole millet kendi dilinde reply atardi kil olurdum, simdi sira bizde...

nice work keep it up (diyelim de annasin gavur evladi)...

Parathoner

03-01-2005, 10:16 AM

Beautiful Work. Five Stars !!!

Deniss

03-01-2005, 10:18 AM

130hours, dam you've got some patience...

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 10:20 AM

YOGURT tayfasına selamlar.

I will write about the texturing process in detail. Thats not too difficult but it realy takes time. I spent more than 80 hours to paint textures in this work.

I am very sorry that I forgot to mention my render engine.

this image is rendered in built in MENTAL RAY renderer of MAX7. It took 17.5 hours to render 3636x2424 pixels image. I have a HDRI map on environment and several omni lights where needed. Some of them has minus (-) strength.

erlik

03-01-2005, 10:40 AM

There is no fault in scale. The larger steps on the right are not to clımb up. They are for sitting or putting flower pots on them. And also bricks are not off scale. In Turkey old bricks are 9 cm thick. So there is not a scale problem.

I'm sorry to be carping on about this, but I'm talking about the four steps right in front of the doors, not about the big ones where the flowerpots are. Repeat the steps and you'll see that six of them make the height of the door. An average step is 20-30 cm, so you get either 120 cm or 180 cm as the height of the door.

Then, there's six bricks visible on the left. If you take those six bricks and repeat them, you get something like 18 bricks for the height of the door - 160 cm. And if you take 15 cm as the thickness of a brick, you get a door 270 cm high.

Please, don't take this as an attack, cause I really like the image and think that you succeeded in capturing the atmosphere and look of a small, old street. That thing with the scale is really bugging me, cause I think that otherwise the image is really really excellent.

tejusv

03-01-2005, 10:59 AM

Beautiful work man...

Everybody wants to know the ground is displacement or just a bump...
Keep it coming...

kkm

03-01-2005, 11:07 AM

that is nice but where is wire?

and the bricks wall isn't very good, doesnt?

kkm

amir jahanlou

03-01-2005, 11:18 AM

Hi, It's really a nice work

My only questions are:

1- What is the render engine used ?

2- How much you have worked in it as post ?( Cause I don't beleive this render is achieved through a 3D render )

Once again: WELL DONE

Cheers

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 11:22 AM

well,

Lets look at the dimensions. 1 hand made brick is about 9 cm thick. And the mortar we used on top of it tooks about 1 cm in modern fine construction techniques. But in old times and in villages mortar is not that fine so it tooks about 1.5 somethimes 2 cm. Lets say 1 brick and the mortar on top of it tooks about 10.5 - 11 cm. So 6 bricks makes 63-65 cm. If u calculate on the pic. the door height is about 19 bricks. so the height is about 190-200 cm. this 10 cm less that we use in out homes. But for village type houses it is ok. :)

For the stairs, thay are about 20-22 cm high. İn modern architecture outside steps are about 12-13 cm but in villages steps are higher (we, citymen walk on nice flat streets but village people walk on rough land). :)

My previous education is on architecture so I dont think I made a scale mistake.

But on the other hand, I am sure I need to work a few more hours on the bricks to make them more better looking. :rolleyes:

Thank you for your interest. I will put wires when I get home. I am at the office now. :thumbsup:

Built in Mental Ray of max 7 is used for rendering of this scene. İt took about 130 hrs of texture model and lighting work. Final render took 17 hrs and I worked about 1 hr more on Photoshop for some minor mistakes that become visivle in 3636x2424 px big render.

Squarecloud

03-01-2005, 11:26 AM

A very nice image to look at, great work. :thumbsup:
As most people on this thread will wonder, how did you do the stones in the street? Did you handpaint the shadows in, or is it all modeled? I would love to see the wires and a lighting setup. And as with every image there will always be some details which not everyone will like, but the overall look and feel of the image is fantastic :)

Dija

03-01-2005, 11:57 AM

Amazing atmosphere!! I agree about the arc and the wall. But thats a minor detail that can be easily corrected! great work, 4 stars from me!!

rbgallinera

03-01-2005, 12:05 PM

wow. i feel like i'm standing there alright.

aydinu

03-01-2005, 01:16 PM

Excellent work indeed ve ellerine saglik:thumbsup:

Aydin

angad_jot

03-01-2005, 01:22 PM

exellent work man....once again did u modell the stone on the floor or is it displacement.....i dont think there is any problem with the bricks and the stairs.... but i guess the drainage pipe in such place must be really dirty...and the portion of the floor underneath the pipe should also be dirty.....once again the scene is really awesome.....http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/buttrock.gifhttp://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gifhttp://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

acromax

03-01-2005, 01:25 PM

way beee!!! İşte hep yapmak isteyipte yapamadıklarımdan. Sebebi ortada. Bu ne sabırdır. Nakkaş gibi tek tek dokudun herhalde. Beni benden aldı. Şurası güzel burası olmamış demiyorum. Sonuna kadar olmuş. Baktığım zaman verdiği huzur bana yeter. Sanırım bu tarz yeni çalışmalar yapacaksın. Yani yapmalısın. :) Bizi mahrum bırakma ha! Tarzın çok iyi.

Sue3d

03-01-2005, 01:40 PM

Very nice scene! I love the stones on the ground, too. :thumbsup:

karthik

03-01-2005, 02:27 PM

classic!and excellent, keep it up man

Dennik

03-01-2005, 02:37 PM

Very nice composition, textures, lighting and overal atmosphere. I don't think its sad, but it doesn't have to. Keep it up!

Tughan

03-01-2005, 03:04 PM

Çetin hoca. :thumbsup:

Excellent work my friend. Really top notch texturing job you got there. I loved the natural feel of it. Everything, bumps, cracks, scratches, gives the image a unique look. And thats very cool. :cool:

Congratulations. :)

SoniaNotRed

03-01-2005, 03:11 PM

erlik - I don't feel there's a problem with the scale. I'm not familiar with old architecture in Croatia (or Turkey), but in Portugal is not unusual to see really high, irregular steps and doors of several sizes (and colors). My grandmother's house, for instance, had the door on an old street level, so people always had to duck to get in, and a child could actually jump to touch the first tiles of the roof!!

mrsteed - Great stuff!! :drool: Pictures like this are one of the reasons I love 3D :thumbsup: ! You totaly succeded in getting the right atmosphere. You said you were going to modify the bricks a little - probably a good idea because they still don't seem "sunk" enough into the wall. Finally, of course, great pavement - it was displacement, right?:p

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Yeah. Displacement.

First I screen capture the plan of the floor. And I paste it on the PS. I modified my floor texture so that the rocks will not cut by the walls and the holes on the floor.
After this I re paint the rocks and the mortar area between them to build a displacement texture.

Another layer is the standart bump layer. And the last layer is the diffuse layer.

All after this process, I made minor corrections on corners on the mesh itself. It took about 10-15 hrs to complete floor. I am a bit slow. :rolleyes:

mathes

03-01-2005, 04:08 PM

Well the time you spent on the ground paid off, I can't stop staring at those rocks, they are absolutely flawless.

Excellent work!!

Biohazard

03-01-2005, 04:18 PM

That's a very nice composition, very well lit too. I love the warm atmophere given by these natural tones. Great pic man ! :)

mayureshj

03-01-2005, 04:19 PM

the image brings some sort of nostalgic feeling , very pleasing image, but the drainage grills and some chipped off walls looks artificial ,but apart from that very good works , nice color composition of textures,good luck.

SCIFI-3D-zoo

03-01-2005, 04:35 PM

Wow... excellent textures you painted. IF... IF... there was anything to critique ... I'd say the ground is too clean. Even a floor inside isn't that clean...much less outdoors. Some dirt, some little polygon pieces of debris or something... then it'd be perfect.

hadimoom

03-01-2005, 04:50 PM

this is nice i like your picture:thumbsup:

huzeyfecoskun

03-01-2005, 05:30 PM

abi süper çalışma olmuş , tebrikler !

Nice work ! its very cool go on :1

qur

03-01-2005, 06:25 PM

abi tek kelimeyle harika....:buttrock:

ellerine sağlık.130 saat dayanılır gibi diil ama sabırlıymışsın yani..:)
çalışmanla ilgili tek söyleyebileceğim (eminin sende farkındasındır) kemerin sağ duvarla birleştiği yerdeki keskilik. ama çokta rahatsız etmiyo. hem ne demişler.. O kadarı kadı kızında da olurmuş..:)

tekrar tebrikler ..:applause:

sogan_renderer

03-01-2005, 06:26 PM

its a very good job.. impressive composition and textures.. congrats..

tebrikler çok güzel bir çalýþma.. sevgiler.

Pete Latrofa

03-01-2005, 06:35 PM

twinkle twinkle baby, TWINKLE TWINKLE!

JohnnyRandom

03-01-2005, 06:49 PM

wonderful colours! great point-of-view, nice textures too...

darcru

03-01-2005, 07:34 PM

Wow! Awesome textures, you definitely have plenty of patience or is it dedication??? :D Maybe it's both!! Great job, I'm definitely looking forward to viewing a wire.

ScottageCheese

03-01-2005, 08:09 PM

nice dude, beautiful composition... very nice!

Xevious

03-01-2005, 08:28 PM

Great work! I really do like to see the wireframe of this shot though.

Otherwise, I dont have a bad thing to say.

sri

03-01-2005, 09:56 PM

Wow, I like the colors, textures. Cool view, but i wonder why u suggested the name ' Sad Street', I always love to live in such kind of places :)

Great Work :thumbsup:

mrsteed

03-01-2005, 10:05 PM

Hello again,
I have prepared the wires, gray-solid, before and after photoshop (someone said he did not believed this can be rendered by a 3d package) and details of floor texture.

The render engine is built in Mental Ray renderer of 3d MAX 7. All textures are hand painted with the help of photographic references. Except floor texture was a photograph but it was highly modified to fit on my particular floor plan. I re arrange the stones so that none of them are cut by the walls, stairs or rain outlet holes (what ever it called in english) on the floor.

Enjoy :buttrock:

http://www.cetintuker.com/cgtalk/solid_wire.jpg

http://www.cetintuker.com/cgtalk/before_after.jpg

http://www.cetintuker.com/cgtalk/floor.jpg

Tughan

03-01-2005, 10:36 PM

Oh, I get it now. :applause:

The Challenger

03-01-2005, 11:34 PM

I like the view and the overall piece. The textures all top-notch and you painted by hand!? Wow. Superb job! Keep it up!

Hamburger

03-01-2005, 11:38 PM

I love it, as everyone else said the textures are fantastic especially the floors but for me the stairs look a bit wierd. Very good though!

rage288

03-01-2005, 11:54 PM

lovely dude!

the only thing that has caught my eye are the bricks that are showing beside the door, they look not as realistic as the rest of the image....beside that its an awesome pic, love the floor

cheers!

turx

03-01-2005, 11:56 PM

harika bir çalýþma. ellerinize saðlýk.

Ramtin

03-02-2005, 03:29 AM

Hi mrsteed . I am from iran and I can understand this enviroment in better mode .
vary vary orginal stuff . hope 2 c more job from u .
Good luck ...

Hugh-Jass

03-02-2005, 03:42 AM

Çok guzel (cok az tÜrkce koniŞiyorum)

Tilstrom

03-02-2005, 07:28 AM

I normally find environment/architectural designs too boring but this is nicely done. :)

warloks

03-02-2005, 08:50 AM

fine work...bravo

hesido

03-02-2005, 11:30 AM

I love it. Let me go on with the tradition:
Eline gozune saglik, harika bir calisma.

mitralone

03-02-2005, 02:14 PM

Harika bir çalışma olmuş. Ben de ön sayfaya alayım diyecem ama nası yapıyoz bilmiyorum.

Great work. Really great work.

AlpineMan

03-02-2005, 02:53 PM

Wow: I see you made a custom displacement map for the stone textures. That must have taken some time. Wow, Good job man.

sooocool

03-02-2005, 06:18 PM

reel! very nice ! as i say the details are perfect but some parts(just visible while i was looking it for much time )are to be applyed the texture that can make it much higher image

en tout cas ,, well done!

DarkAngelSyn

03-03-2005, 09:06 AM

Everything looks great, but its title doesn't fit. It's not sad ant all it looks very warm and comfortable not sad.

Djampa

03-17-2005, 07:35 AM

Hi, congratulations, worth the hours you spent on it!
It is really beauty.
Altough I feel the cracks by the door a lil smoothed arround it, a lil darkness and sharpness would be perfect there, but that's maybe just my eyes after 75hs no sleep... *lol*
Well but you really made one of the best works I saw in this genre, it is worth to be in Exposé, wish you the best luck!

cla-w

03-17-2005, 03:08 PM

Fantastic for realism

ynlay

03-19-2005, 03:18 PM

reality,the great work

garino

03-19-2005, 04:30 PM

good composition, although i think u should do something about the upper plant... it looks like u just pasted it in front of the whole thing.. other from that.. good job :)
( :applause: for makin ur own textures!)

godblessbotox

03-19-2005, 08:29 PM

this is an amazing image! the only thing that i can see that is a bit odd is were the arch meets up with the right side wall, the two textures dont merge very well. other then that i think it has a very good look and nice textures

diocletian9

03-20-2005, 09:46 AM

excellent - the paving stones are particularly effective

huseyinoz

03-21-2005, 12:36 AM

Congratulation Cetin Turker! Wonderful work.
Elinize sağlık.:buttrock:

LIXUANTONG

03-21-2005, 03:11 AM

great work!!
nice model,nice map,nice light.It would be better if have animal or human in the image...

Trower

03-23-2005, 12:34 AM

Excellent piece of work. Some people hammer into things forever without getting them this finished, never mind all this 10 hour nonsense that people love to go on about.

On a slightly critical note, (and I don't know if you've thought about this or if anyone else has pointed it out already), the only weakness these tired eyes can see is:- A) the join(t) from wall to archway on the right hand side, and;- B) the wooden beams supporting the top. Its not that they really detract from your piece, its just a tiny tonal value / texture / shadow thing.

It kind of comes down to one material coming into a strong conflict with another.

I've spent quite awhile looking at 'Sad Street', pondering the deliberate imperfections you've placed within the architecture... and I must say, that there are indeed many mediteranean homes tempered with this style of rustic, but cosey construction.

Strangely... given its title... kind of makes me want to go on holiday... A real mood lifter after the awful weather my country is currently experiencing.

ffourier

03-25-2005, 12:17 PM

I like very muck this kind of composition. I find that the shape of the arch gives a true impression of giddiness. For those which know that makes me think of the phenomenon of anamorphosis in the cinema : the famous "vertigo" effect in Hitchcock's film...

Gelroth

03-25-2005, 02:08 PM

Gerçekten çok güzel bir çalışma..
Özellikle kaplamalar bir harik.Büyük uğraş verdiğin belli,tebrikler.:thumbsup:

Good work!

rosevine

03-26-2005, 01:45 PM

this piece is really amazing <3 Rather than being a sad street I think the lighting makes the street look welcoming, I want to see what's behind the door :)

mrsteed

03-26-2005, 09:33 PM

Hi,

Some of my friends also asked "what is behind this door". I think I better start working on a new scene called "Behind the Door" :)

unicop

03-27-2005, 05:34 PM

great .despite you spent more time the work look really wonderful

Reule

03-27-2005, 08:44 PM

Flawless! Congratulations!

jackyinter

03-28-2005, 01:00 AM

i like it very much

kharondroid

03-30-2005, 11:01 AM

Eline sağlık arkadaşım çok güzel bir çalışma olmuş,ışıklandırma çok başarılı...:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

zalthor

03-31-2005, 10:22 PM

I love environments like this and there is absolutely nothing "sad" about it! Run down a bit but not sad. I love the way a small history is being played out here. Cetin Turker has made the wall to the right look beautifully and realistically dried out after having become wet and damp far too many times. The council [or who ever owns the properties] finally gave in after what must have been repeated harassment and installed the drains to take away the water. I feel that as a result the local tenants, in gratitude, then clubbed together to lay the new cobbled paving...

Such is depth of reality and interesting detail in this wonderful 3D picture. It speaks volumes to me...can I move in please??

04-02-2005, 06:19 PM

super olmus.turkce yazıyorum cunku guzelligini ifade etmeye ingilizcem yetmez...
gerek kamera acısı gerek dokular ve ısıklandırma harika.tebrik ederim,basarıalrının devamını dilerim...

Ramon

04-03-2005, 01:54 AM

VERY NICE. Also, the fact that it's all hand painted textures is nice to know as well. Much of my 3d texture work is of the same method. Takes a bit longer to create and prepare but offers much more control and flexiblity (IMO). So, nice job on the textures as well which I would venture to say (based on the scene) was around 50 to 65% of the work.

abdullahkokce

04-04-2005, 10:28 PM

abi ellerine sağlık buralara türkçe yazdırıyorsun ya:)

pippik

04-05-2005, 12:19 PM

amazing textures and lighting. Looks very realistic. I had to stare at it for a while. My eyes were playing tricks. well done

enterasan

04-09-2005, 12:23 PM

Gerçekten mükemmel :thumbsup: başarılar... GOoOod work!! beautiful..:applause:

tgfx

04-14-2005, 04:47 PM

impressive detail. I like the stones on the ground...nice

peterlalic

04-15-2005, 11:03 AM

Outstanding work...

Your image have all qualifications for a masterpiece.

jpthedesigner

04-23-2005, 02:39 AM

awesome render. Love the texturing ^_^

leiluparker

04-25-2005, 04:00 AM

Great lighting and textures! maybe a little depth of field?

BMAXTALK

04-28-2005, 01:04 AM

that this very good one incredible....
congratulations... texture, illumination composition 10,0....
very real.....
this spectacular one......... fantastic.......

pei4ik

04-29-2005, 10:21 PM

mnooogoooo yakooooo

bravo! wonderful textures, lighting and render
some objects is unnaturalness
especially intersection between vault arch and right wall

i love this picture
:))

PO-8

05-09-2005, 04:43 PM

very great work on the scene atmosphere and textures (your stones render is amazing),
i think the plant in the pot is not as great as the other elements of your scene, and i agree with people who wants dof, it will bring something better to your work...

well done, it's a very nice picture!