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BBYAG
02-23-2005, 05:00 AM
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Title: Healer_elf
Name: Seok Chan-yoo
Country: Korea (South)
Software: Maya

Hi~
name:Seok chan-yoo
software:maya6.0,photoshop
Hofe referecce highresoulusion image&modelwire,texture under my ripple.



>> Hi resolution image << (http://www.3dartisan.com/gallery/3dfreegalleryhome1.asp?uid=9663)

BBYAG
02-23-2005, 09:26 AM
reference:modelwire&texture

http://www.3dartisan.com/gallery/3dfreegalleryhome1.asp?uid=9664

apocalypseneon
02-23-2005, 09:36 AM
Excelent !!!

alexfalchi
02-23-2005, 10:28 AM
nice work.compliments!

AndyH
02-23-2005, 10:29 AM
Fantastic stuff - really nice character. Personally, im not keen on the whole elf thing (its been done to death) but its an amazing pic.
Great face, good materials, and nice details on the costume.
The only crits i can see is that the transparent drape could use more smoothing - i can see some poly edges, and that the whole thing seems to be glowing, which causes problems with the hair transparency.

Minor points aside, very good job, and i hope you get frontpage and an award for this - elf women are popular on this forum!

smaddl
02-23-2005, 11:52 AM
great work :thumbsup:

CuTnPaste
02-23-2005, 12:09 PM
WOW
:applause:

Ibah
02-23-2005, 12:17 PM
great work, i like the 2d feel it has..

hope you will make the image better someday, caus it could have more potentiol.

make it more special.

but looks great.

3mm
02-23-2005, 12:21 PM
really nice work.

no crit :love:

hakkston
02-23-2005, 12:27 PM
This is awesome dude! great work! :applause:

jussing
02-23-2005, 12:49 PM
Beauuuuuuuutiful!

My minor crit is, I think the skin needs some more texture. I know, it's supposed to be flawless elv-ish skin, but still....

But definitely a great picture, it's my new desktop pic! :D

Cheers,
- Jonas

lebada
02-23-2005, 12:52 PM
amazing....with elves..its all about the ears and butt lol...jk

but its beautful...the clothes accentuate her in a very good way...just lovely

Samo
02-23-2005, 01:03 PM
She is really beatiful. Great work. You are an artist.

SOuLjA`-
02-23-2005, 01:04 PM
Wow, this is realy nice!
i like it very much, good work :thumbsup:

FabioMSilva
02-23-2005, 01:04 PM
i believe the neck is too thick. Also i think the feet fingers should have been given a little more detail. Other than that, awesome image.

yolk
02-23-2005, 01:32 PM
??????????

this is which game 's character??

Shizumauru
02-23-2005, 01:39 PM
I really like your style, it looks fantastic!

One question: The link to the Hires only opens a korean page and I don't know where to click to see that pic - so, where to click? ;)

rakmaya
02-23-2005, 01:45 PM
All the words have been used. So what should I say..... Fantastic :thumbsup:


One crit is that the Neck is a little too thick and longer. Also up the poly count on the cloth. Other than that is is wonderful

Very awesome work.

Tilstrom
02-23-2005, 01:51 PM
beautiful work. :)

KoPanda
02-23-2005, 01:51 PM
Brilliant!!!
how can you do that?
i love this pic!

Steven_jd
02-23-2005, 01:53 PM
she looking fine as fine can be i know it's kindz weird but yap thats what i'm feeling for her

Sue3d
02-23-2005, 01:54 PM
I really like her costume and the soft colors. :thumbsup:

su0216
02-23-2005, 02:05 PM
Excellent!

MiguelSilva
02-23-2005, 02:19 PM
Amazing.
:thumbsup:

allenweis
02-23-2005, 02:20 PM
nice one but just eyes a little bit weird.

Spunkeeebakpak
02-23-2005, 02:24 PM
Beautiful stuff- she looks great. Although I'm not a great fan of elves & orcs & magical dwarves as subject matter for cg models, I have to sit up & take notice of a model this good. My only tiny crit would be that i don't think the glow works that well with some of the transparency on her hair. Otherwise, fantastic work.

-zzz-
02-23-2005, 02:32 PM
thats awsome ^^

abadone
02-23-2005, 02:35 PM
:eek::eek: OUARFFFFFFFFFF AMAZING :eek::eek:

Voluntas
02-23-2005, 02:35 PM
i believe the neck is too thick. Also i think the feet fingers should have been given a little more detail. Other than that, awesome image.

Yes I agree with that. And BBYAG if you make the neck thinner the head will also fit better. The face will look longer by that and better looking. And I think it also fits elfs better to have a long/thin face/neck.

EDIT: And her hair is totally wrong.. Its suppose to go straight over the head with the nose line.

maxmaster
02-23-2005, 02:43 PM
Wow, You are tooooo good! I've seen your work in the 3D Artisan for years and always been impressed.


My only crits are;

1. fore arm is too thin even for a girl
2. Yeah, I agree that the neck is too thick for a girl


As a guy born in the same country, I wonder why you are so much better (Just kidding..)

And Shizumaoru(sounds lkie Japanese to me), the image is huge and if your interenet connection is slow, you might have to wait awhile to see the whole pic.

I myself had a trouble to see the image and I am so sorry to be in China where internet is just modem level and I do miss Korea now just for light speedy internet.

(If anyone tells you China is growing fast, that doesn't mean so is their internet speed. trust me it's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal sloooooooooooooooooooooooow)

And there are more of his work below the Huge image and you can see he is getting better year by year.... (make other people feel far behind...)


Seeing this image, I might put away my mouse and find some other profession..........

Neil_M
02-23-2005, 03:18 PM
Wow !!! very nice :)

rileytee
02-23-2005, 03:21 PM
What i don't get is how can something be TOOOOOOOOOOO good or Fantastic and then be followed by critiques?

My Opinion is....unless the piece is horrible or has HUGE problems.....don't say anything bad or negative about it. Keep a person's confidence up. A person works VERY hard to create something like that.

If you pick on such small and minor details, be sure you can do it yourself or better. I understand that people welcome critiques and comments and i understand that they help, but use them wisely, use them in moderation when they REALLY need it.

ANyhow......GREAT job on the elf.....looks amazing (no critiques follow)

Rileytee

MadMacs
02-23-2005, 03:48 PM
WOW! Absolutely a fantastic picture. The work here is outstanding! Great Job!! Just a small critique; The lighting is just about perfect. There is possibly some postwork shading that may need to be done. The flow of her shear clothing is very nice, but humbly I think, if you can clean up some of those jagged edges, it would seem a lot more flowing. Please keep up the great work. Thanks for sharing.

el_mone
02-23-2005, 04:16 PM
Sweeeeet !!!

ShiroiOokami
02-23-2005, 04:17 PM
Of course the image looks pretty good, but here are some things I noticed. The shadow around her armpit area does not look quite dark enough, her neck could use a bit more definition because it looks to much like a cylinder, also her head could be a touch larger. The ball of her left foot is not large enough, it seems as if the bottom part was cut off, I mean the "ball" on the front of the foot is larger then the rear which of course is not accurate. I am not positive on what is wrong with the lower leg but perhaps it is that she has no calves. Her arm is not attached correctly, you might want to check a reference or look at yourself because I probably wont explain it clear enough, but look how the muslces connect to your pectoral area, it connects closer to just above the nipple area. The next few things depend on the look you were going for but look off to me... The jewelry going around her lower waist upper leg area appears like it has no weight, simply because it wraps around at the curvature of the butt where it would then continue falling, if that is what you were going for fine, but if not it should be held up just before the curve like her "skirt" is. I also think her expression could use some work... her body position seems to suggest more then the blank stare, perhaps a hint of a smile would work better.

I realize I have been picking at the picture, but it is simply to help you out on things you might not have noticed.

Jonnydigitall
02-23-2005, 04:38 PM
These guys have given you some awesome crit, nothin that hasnt been said already that I wanna say. But I really would like to see some wireframes. I click on the link and all I get is ??????????, and a lot more ?????????? links on a korean site, which is normal because your korean and all. Any direct links you can send for us?

HapZungLam
02-23-2005, 05:17 PM
nice model and design. Awsome shader to the silk.

EricLyman
02-23-2005, 05:33 PM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but it looks like some of your nurbs surfaces (I assume the use of nurbs...?) could have their render tess. bumped up a couple notches. You're getting some faceting on her hair and on the front of her blouse. Also, her legs looks a little too skinny, or a little to long, either way I suppose.

Over all, I'm really impressed with your modeling. And rigging. good job!

Rennie
02-23-2005, 05:48 PM
Great stuff! :thumbsup:

Moreira
02-23-2005, 06:01 PM
:applause: Great! :love:


Added to "My favorite References folder"

She is beautifull!

dcmoutinho
02-23-2005, 06:24 PM
beutiful scene, congratulation

Michael Chen
02-23-2005, 08:02 PM
Looks really good :applause:

rafiadrian
02-23-2005, 08:23 PM
Long time no see Beautiful models in this 3dforum:)

very like your work bro it's clean and fresh the time&process will make you better
nocrits from me, everything already told by everyone, i only just like your style

keep up the goodwork better:thumbsup:

regards,

R1PPER
02-23-2005, 08:35 PM
WOW...great tits. Honey of the month. :thumbsup:

oxyg3n
02-23-2005, 08:51 PM
Nice modeling, I also like her silk scarves.

Dennik
02-23-2005, 08:51 PM
She looks realy beautifull.

I find a lot of simmilarities with that elf character posted long time ago. (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143910)
I'm wondering if you had her for inspiration. :)

SheepFactory
02-23-2005, 08:53 PM
i cant view the wireframe , or any other pic on that site.

akewt
02-23-2005, 10:11 PM
she's real purdy

nice norks :buttrock:

onlooker
02-23-2005, 10:29 PM
YES! :buttrock:

shinja
02-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Awesome model and render......

Though i do agree about the neck being too thick.... apart from that fantastic stuff.....:thumbsup:

DarkSkills
02-23-2005, 11:25 PM
Outstanding!!!:applause:

Spozzfreund
02-23-2005, 11:42 PM
Beautiful elf! :bowdown: And thanks for that nice very high resolution! :-)

0utlander
02-23-2005, 11:45 PM
beautiful work! What did you use to create the hair? only crit is that the wire/texture image seems to be down :) reccon you could get this back up again?

peterpop88
02-23-2005, 11:50 PM
I really like your style, it looks fantastic!

One question: The link to the Hires only opens a korean page and I don't know where to click to see that pic - so, where to click? ;)

same for me...I went looking for the high res and got a whole lot of nothing. I'd love to get my hands on the high res... any solutions/options?

BTW... beautiful work, a masterpiece. you've really got that gosama texture worked out.. hard to believe it's 3d.

larious
02-24-2005, 12:20 AM
Just amazed by your work again!! Keep it up.:thumbsup:

Trurl
02-24-2005, 01:19 AM
High-class work! :thumbsup:

crescens
02-24-2005, 02:01 AM
Excelent !!!
The great work!!!

RamiroP
02-24-2005, 02:03 AM
[QUOTE=peterpop88]same for me...I went looking for the high res and got a whole lot of nothing. I'd love to get my hands on the high res... any solutions/options?

I had the same problem when I opened the page using Firefox. But the image loads correctly using Internet Explorer.

Dennik
02-24-2005, 02:54 AM
Darn! Thats my first dissapointment with Firefox so far. Why???


Edit: Here is a direct link to the large image (http://www.3dartisan.com/freegallery/image/healer_elf_ARTISAN.jpg)

maxmaster
02-24-2005, 02:58 AM
What i don't get is how can something be TOOOOOOOOOOO good or Fantastic and then be followed by critiques?

My Opinion is....unless the piece is horrible or has HUGE problems.....don't say anything bad or negative about it. Keep a person's confidence up. A person works VERY hard to create something like that.

If you pick on such small and minor details, be sure you can do it yourself or better. I understand that people welcome critiques and comments and i understand that they help, but use them wisely, use them in moderation when they REALLY need it.

ANyhow......GREAT job on the elf.....looks amazing (no critiques follow)

Rileytee


Hey, Rileytee

That's why this is called comment AND crits not comment OR crits.

I agree what you pointed out. But that's the way it is.


Anyone can have his opinion and his ways of saying.

After all, THAT's the sprit of America(I mean USA).. Freedom of speech!

Again, this is just my humble opinion.

BBYAG
02-24-2005, 03:13 AM
Darn! Thats my first dissapointment with Firefox so far. Why???


Edit: Here is a direct link to the large image (http://www.3dartisan.com/freegallery/image/healer_elf_ARTISAN.jpg)


Hello,
bang sang hyun's my friends & an (http://javascript<b></b>:flink() associate (http://javascript<b></b>:flink()!
I see a bang sang hyun-Elf.
And I take advice him.
But I don't think a copy.
I reference a little that take advice him.
ps:Thanks for large image.
And I see a your works.

loocas
02-24-2005, 03:23 AM
Now she is one sexy cg chick! :buttrock: Wouldn't mind having a number... :thumbsup: http://www.cgtalk.com/images/rating/rating_5.gif from me man! :thumbsup:

alex.h.
02-24-2005, 03:24 AM
great work, love it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

send2raj
02-24-2005, 03:59 AM
:thumbsup: Can't believe this excellent piece was done in maya.Very nice details...btw do you have her number:rolleyes:

steffenoid
02-24-2005, 04:55 AM
Can't believe this excellent piece was done in maya
hey! whats wrong with maya ;)

very nice-I especially like the fantasy feel to the picture, not to mention she is hottt

DMAJohnson
02-24-2005, 05:22 AM
Very nice model, well done! My only real complaint is that the outfit and color scheme look just too much like Yuna from Final Fantasy X.

valkyri
02-24-2005, 07:13 AM
very nice style!

mitralone
02-24-2005, 07:48 AM
Wow,

There is no spoon but this is real?

I use maya too but I thought this was only photoshop. So cool. You should make a tut on this definitely.

She is perfect. You can even cut off her ears and make it a feary(sorry if misspelled)

Great work. Congs...

animatorajithkv
02-24-2005, 08:30 AM
Marvellous work...and the effects on cloth is fantastic...The legs feel a little longer but it adds to the beauty of the work here..:-)

Great work...!!http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

koncz
02-24-2005, 10:34 AM
Great work on this creation, i like the quality of the modelling and texturing:thumbsup: .

Georges.:)

maxmaster
02-24-2005, 11:07 AM
Fantastic image. Cool.

Jamov
02-24-2005, 12:32 PM
:eek: a good job EXCELLENT !! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

vfx fan
02-24-2005, 01:22 PM
Your elf is one of the hottest chicks I've ever seen! Computer art at its finest! :thumbsup:

I don't think I'll be needing those Viagra pills anymore. Nice job! :applause:

Dennik
02-24-2005, 02:02 PM
Hello,
bang sang hyun's my friends & an (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:flink%28) associate (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:flink%28)!
I see a bang sang hyun-Elf.
And I take advice him.
But I'm not think a copy.
I reference a little that take advice him.
ps:Thanks for large image.
And I see a your works.

I didn't imply you copy his work, just that it seems you are influenced by it.
All artists have their influences anyway. Your work is great on its own. :)

Shizumauru
02-24-2005, 03:20 PM
Darn! Thats my first dissapointment with Firefox so far. Why???


Edit: Here is a direct link to the large image (http://www.3dartisan.com/freegallery/image/healer_elf_ARTISAN.jpg)

Thanks for the link, now it looks really fantastic!
You re right, in IE the link works well, how did you know it's a Firefox problem?

BBYAG
02-24-2005, 04:26 PM
Hello,
I"m sorry.
My english poor now,
I lerarning a little at a time.
I'm busy a new poster schedule (http://javascript<b></b>:flink().
Please understand.

luhna
02-24-2005, 04:48 PM
WOW ... very nice work!!! :applause:

hertzchim
02-24-2005, 05:21 PM
there's nothing to crit here - it's ALL good.

:bounce:

AVTPro
02-24-2005, 07:35 PM
Absolutely Enchanting. :eek: Love the sense of presence, reality and clarity.:buttrock: Deep eyes. :applause: And a plain ole' hottie :drool:

crit: Her legs, being so long could use a little more definition in the shape around the calves, heel and maybe under her foot. The rest is immaculant. :bounce:

Yiorgz
02-24-2005, 09:32 PM
Darn! Thats my first dissapointment with Firefox so far. Why???


Edit: Here is a direct link to the large image (http://www.3dartisan.com/freegallery/image/healer_elf_ARTISAN.jpg)

The problem is not Firefox, the problem is 1. Internet Explorer and 2. BBYAG's urls (well maybe more his bulletin board system that his ISP is running)

First up [2] - just to be different

BBYAG's website software allows one to cut and pages URLS\that\contain\backslashes\like\this.

Now problem [1] Internet Explorer

MS have a habit of catering to non-standard things. It's great for the user because we are now allowed to be a bit lazy with our HTML (like leave backslashes).

When IE sees the backslashes, it flips them and recomputes the URL so that it can request whatever is referenced from within the web page.

Firefox (which is based on W3C standards) does not do this by default, but you can make it do this. Just get Slashy (https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&category=Miscellaneous&numpg=10&id=426) which makes Firefox do the fixing of the URL.

The URLs in the web page should really be fixed though instead of forcing the users to patch their browsers. Imagine the roads of your town had metal tacks on them, but instead of clearing the metal tacks, your town leaders decided that everyone should drive around in steam rollers :)

sokolova
02-25-2005, 01:24 AM
Very nice work...I`m not sure about transparent of the fabric- I think it must be more airy.
The figure and face are very beautiful, congrats.

Kkrishna
02-25-2005, 03:47 AM
Great work boss.
Superb lightng. I like it.:thumbsup:

hemiki
02-25-2005, 04:09 AM
so amazing. i can not believe my eyes. everything is excellent!

Loulu79
02-25-2005, 04:42 AM
Critiques are neither negative nor positive.:wise: They are just comments to help you improve on what you are willing to work on and even get better yourself on. Once you work on the critiqued piece, you will amaze yourself. Every artist here has something to improve on, pro or not. So...let me critique...

Your elf is on the front cover (I think) and you are the bomb!:thumbsup:
Critiques to help improve and hone your skill even more: more detail on the toes and skin. Her skin is way too flawless to make it believable.

And congrats to you man!

oculuz
02-25-2005, 10:13 AM
"wow" astig....nice work....

Thewipe
02-25-2005, 10:24 AM
Nice work , I like it

krim
02-25-2005, 04:01 PM
The image is really impressive. Like a dream.

PS: Just a little crit:) The right leg is in big flexion. While knee is coming into flexion, it hadn't been sprained fully. Meshes had fallen into one another. Maybe I did see wrong things:) Anyway. Good work and Five stars!

Melfice
02-25-2005, 04:40 PM
It's Impressive ^^ I'm easily impressed not obstant, as i still consider myself a newbee, but i specially like the texture of the hair and the whole looking of her clothes! Very nicely done!

Dave3D
02-25-2005, 07:00 PM
s**t hot

- Dave

dkubalak
02-25-2005, 07:17 PM
Really nice work! Model and attire are excellent.

arrecheaoscar69
02-25-2005, 09:04 PM
hi i think youre work is hot!!!

Excelent workhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

gui_mends
02-28-2005, 12:48 AM
Perfect Work!
Congrats, no comments! =)

penartist26
02-28-2005, 05:43 AM
wow impressive artworks u got man, ur style is similar to my favourite artist KJUN also a korean
ur great' keep it up.

adel3d
02-28-2005, 06:19 AM
Good work:)

dny
02-28-2005, 09:22 AM
wow, i'm speechless now...
awesome dude.....:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Michael Hovan
02-28-2005, 05:18 PM
The feet need to be worked on more, check out your reference, they are a little to "plasticky"; in other words I don't get the sense that they are living flesh or that they could be walked on.
The area behind the knees needs work too. Check out what happens behind the knee when they are bent like how you have your character posed.
Overall I like what you have done in photoshop to give the sense of magic through your choices in glow and blur.
Nice job, but push it further.

EliteHunter2086
02-28-2005, 09:38 PM
Dude love the pic. Can't belive how smooth it is. I hope someday I can produce works as good as you.

grootvriend
03-01-2005, 02:58 PM
Lovely pic. Though many people deslike these (to) smooth Korean images, I love them. At the moment I'm trying to get a skinn texture just like yours. Could you maybe share us some info on how you created this image?
There are to minnor things that need a bit of work. (on the highres image.) Her left arm looks bad at the place were it bends and the hair between her waist and her right arm doesn't look to good either.

Dude_1414
03-01-2005, 03:56 PM
I really ilke the pic and i think it would be nice to c you as a costume/character desiner for some online games (such as eq2) only thing i noticed that was a bit off was the fact that there are 6 toes! Not necessarily a con jus different. Good job none the less i love it!!

Mefisto
03-02-2005, 07:03 AM
Wow!!! Great work man!!! :bounce:

Meilinia
03-02-2005, 01:00 PM
Wow this is great! and I really love her clothes, Very pretty!

sendhil
03-03-2005, 01:54 PM
wow this is realy greate work,i liked very much,keep it up....

CHERNABOG
03-04-2005, 05:09 AM
I love the way you had modeled this girl, the textures are great too, everything fits perfectly, nice work, really nice work ...

dif2find
03-09-2005, 02:49 AM
nice work

keep it up..

Relic
03-10-2005, 10:22 PM
Never commented on this one but just wanted to say that I loved it, looks exactly like my girlfriend and she wondered how you got her as a reference :)

I'd be interested in purchasing it in poster form. If you do anything like that, let mek now.

ladyannika
03-11-2005, 12:06 AM
Positivly Stunning!

geneticlone
03-12-2005, 02:27 AM
lol ive seen both of your works basicly you 2 guys are the masters of maya and max. I was just wondering if you would make a tutorial on how to model one of these foxy ladies I know a master never reveals his tricks but im so obssesed that i could die right now lol. thanks love all your work.

Esillisar
03-13-2005, 06:17 PM
Thats a great image, shes is so HOT. That a nice job with the cloth and the textures. :buttrock:

sanderz
03-14-2005, 06:49 PM
nice work...............:thumbsup:

fluids
03-18-2005, 03:22 AM
great fantasy feel

Aquamarine
03-19-2005, 01:57 AM
no crits from me. very good work, i much enjoyed it. :buttrock:

SpinLight
03-23-2005, 08:23 AM
The rings on her ankle seam a little to big / heavy. The rest .. have been already mantioned. I like her very much.

train147369
03-28-2005, 05:08 AM
niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic.goooooooooood

pupureg
03-30-2005, 05:55 AM
Amazing work! But the best will be better if her neck is a little bit big to a girl. But maybe it's an illusion because the her hair covers a part of her neck and make us feel like her neck is a little bigger than usual. Anyway totally it's so coooool! I like the clothes and the colors.

Dark-moon
03-31-2005, 07:59 AM
I like this pic's color

Luciferul
04-03-2005, 06:04 PM
wow this looks perfect :applause:

Cygnus-X
04-04-2005, 11:13 PM
Great style i like it

goktugg
04-23-2005, 03:17 AM
very good details...with good pose...so Pretty*so beautiful work!!!:)

willy517
05-04-2005, 02:49 AM
this is very nice. I like the hair and the face. nothing to critique. you are so talented. Keep up the good work. 5 stars. nice man.

Peace

ramz
05-12-2005, 08:46 AM
I'm in love...

Great feel, great modelling, great pose, great everything. A real masterpiece, Good Job!

ramz
05-12-2005, 08:48 AM
Great feel, great modelling, great hair, great face, great ears ;), great everything. Good Job, a real masterpiece.

horseshoe
07-15-2005, 05:46 PM
TOP QUALITY period

floclau
10-26-2005, 02:04 PM
very nice amazing stuff great detail

nothingless
02-26-2006, 01:42 PM
Wow. She's really beautiful, well done!!!

hampux
06-28-2006, 07:05 PM
Cool! perfect colors and glow!

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