nVidia 6600 GT vs. 6600

[kwshipman]

the 6600GT (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=14-170-073&DEPA=0) has higher core and memory spead than the 6600 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-170-081&depa=0). Apparently there are SLI versions of both.:shrug:

[andronikos916]

if you are intrested about sli - do not bother and buy a 6600gt...go for 6800 and then if you have more money you can upgrade to 6800sli

withj 6600gt if you put AA and AF then frames will drop like crazy! go for single 6800gt first and after 1-2monthss you can upgrade to 2x6800gt sli

6600 vs 6600 gt - if you playing games = 6600gt period...!!

[AdamT]

Thanks guys.

Adronikos,
I'm not interested in SLI and I don't really play games. I need a card with two DVI ports, and I'd like one that's faster than my old Ti-4600: mainly for C4D. I don't think the 6800 will give me anywhere near double the performance of the 6600 GT, but it does cost about twice as much. It might be worth it if I had a fast AMD cpu, but my dual 2.4 Xeons will be a bottleneck.

[andronikos916]

at about 200-300$ best card for c4d right now is radeon 9800 pro! ...I know it is sounds crazy but that is the truth right now!

[motoxpress]

Thanks guys.
Adronikos,
I'm not interested in SLI and I don't really play games. I need a card with two DVI ports, and I'd like one that's faster than my old Ti-4600: mainly for C4D. I don't think the 6800 will give me anywhere near double the performance of the 6600 GT, but it does cost about twice as much. It might be worth it if I had a fast AMD cpu, but my dual 2.4 Xeons will be a bottleneck.

You will see a pretty good boost going from a 4600 to a 6600gt but, the 6600gt has not been tested with C4D as far as I know.

gl

[andronikos916]

I have tested 6600gt with C4d R9 and I am telling you that it is slower than a Ati Radeon 9800 pro...

C4d is not optimized for these cards and I do not know if it will be at the near future....

am also a C4d user and I have 4 pc's here ... if games are not important with you then I recommend 1000% 9800 pro!
period-

[motoxpress]

I have tested 6600gt with C4d R9 and I am telling you that it is slower than a Ati Radeon 9800 pro...

C4d is not optimized for these cards and I do not know if it will be at the near future....

am also a C4d user and I have 4 pc's here ... if games are not important with you then I recommend 1000% 9800 pro!
period-

Interesting. Does C4D rely on OpenGL or Direct3D?

gl

[andronikos916]

OpenGl or software (that is slower)

[andronikos916]

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=46752&page=12&pp=15
check the 12th page for my tests!

[motoxpress]

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=46752&page=12&pp=15
check the 12th page for my tests!

The C4d bench seems to favor ATI cards even though Nvidia is supposed to have a more solid OpenGL implementation. I know that ATI cards have continually crashed Maya systems.

It's also interesting to note that the 6600GT bests the 6800nu which is supposed to be better.

gl

[Peddy]

as stated before, the GT has higher clock speeds. and from memory it has a few extra pipes than the 6600 (correct me if im wrong)

im in the market to get a 6600gt atm, but the demand here is so high that retailers are running out of stock.

if you are looking for dual DVI, maybe look at the Gainward 'golden sample' from memory, it has the dual DVI ports unlike most other manufacturers.

as for SLI, remember, you need an SLI compatible motherboard, so unless you intent on making that upgrade (which isnt cheap, compared to non-SLI, even in the 775 chipset range), id not be terribly concerned.

in summary: theres enough difference between the 6600 and the GT to warrant purchasing it, unless youre really tight for money. the SLI, even if not usable before the upgrade to an SLI motherboard, is at least partly future-proofing your purchase.

[AdamT]

Thanks again.

Interesting benchmarks Adronikos. Now I'm a little torn; the 9800 is faster in Cinema, but I'm concerned about it's OGL stability in other apps that I use, including Motion Builder 6, Rhino, and ZBrush. I guess I'll have to do some more research, but if anyone uses an ATI card in those apps please do tell.

Also, the ATI Windows drivers (except for FireGL) don't support dual planes, which is not tested in the Cinebench benchmark--another advantage for the nVidia card.

[orvski]

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041222/vga_charts-01.html

[Rabid pitbull]

I always pick the nvidia card since in the majority of apps it performs better, and the last ati card i had was not too good. Ofcourse you should pick a card that supports your software best.

btw zbrush is all software no card needed, crasy isn't it.

[YankyBJeans]

one more thing to keep in mind is that the 6800 (and presumably 6600) doesnt support hardware rendering. I saw this in a thread last week about why maya's hardware rendered particles wouldnt render, and I believe the answer was that the 6800 doesnt support that (hoping the response in the thread was correct). So if you need any kind of hardware rendering, you might want a different card. Kind of a shame as that card looks great otherwise.

yanky

[CHRiTTeR]

Just bought a 6600 (I was planning to buy a 6600GT but forgot to mention the GT part, stupid, isnt it :s ).

Now I am wondering if I can flash my 6600 to a 6600gt?
anyone? :D

[Peddy]

what do you mean 'hardware rendering'. how is it different from non-hardware rendering?

[imashination]

C4D, and indeed all windows based 3d apps, will favor the nvidia card. However, this doesnt mean that the brute force of the ati cards isnt a match for them.

With c4d, the radeon cards have the most polygon pushing power. However the nvidia cards have a few more features which ensure a smooth workflow such as multiple planes. These make selection highlighting much faster and they also allow you to smoothly work with simple objects within a complex scene. ie. they only redraw stuff that moves, whereas the ati cards redraw everything regardless.

[kex]

so do the x ati series push for more polys the geforce 6 series as i knew that was the case with 9xxx series of ati vs the fx series of nvidia

[tsupka]

just install inno3D 6600GT
cinema 4d v 8 crashed the system and in XSI this catd is only 50% faster than GeForce 2 MX 400
crap, will return it tommorow

[imashination]

just install inno3D 6600GT
cinema 4d v 8 crashed the system and in XSI this catd is only 50% faster than GeForce 2 MX 400
crap, will return it tommorow

What cpu do you have?
Did you fully uninstall the old drivers?
Did you even update the drivers?
That card is well over 500% faster, not 50%

Kex: Yes, its still pretty much true. The X800 series does have a briute force advantage, but the 6800 cards still maintain their same feature advantage. If only ati would shift more of their FireGL features onto the the radeon cards, they would be on par.

[Peddy]

so would i have anything to be concerned about if i were to purchase a 6600gt (pci-e, if it matters) with the intention of using it with 3dsmax?

[orvski]

just a note with the 6600 cards, use the beta version of the drivers.

i always try their latest release and it always worked for me, but some ppl recommended beta drivers if you get problems.

as for hardware rendering problems in maya, i think thats maya's fault since the 6600 are pretty new cards, i mean cmon now, a brand new 6x00's not supporting hardware rendering? LOL, when you play games, thats hardware rendering right there.

ATI almost always gets higher 3dmark scores, and performs better in some games than nvidia, but i guess that just depends on the game and what portion of the hardware capabilities they use most.

[tsupka]

What cpu do you have?
Did you fully uninstall the old drivers?
Did you even update the drivers?
That card is well over 500% faster, not 50%


yes, I'd completely uninstal old drivers, install the latest drivers for video and motherboard, latest directX, trying to push performance fith softquadro, I have MicroStar nForse 2 Ultra mobo, Athlon XP 2.5, 1 GB DDR 400 RAM, Inno3D 6600GT

in same scene arond 1 million of polys I got 3,3 fps on 2mx ($50 - 3 years ago) and 4,7 fps on 6600 gt ($250 - one week ago)

crap

[Decade]

Just resurrecting this thread because it mentions the comparative performance of the Radeon 9800pro against the NVidia Geforce 6600gt. I just upgraded my MB, CPU + Ram & want to do the graphics card as well. I'm on a very tight budget & the slightly lower cost of the 9800pro would make some difference to me.
I'm not interested in using the card for games, and I will be getting an AGP version of whichever card. I use Cinema 4D & to be honest it is only real-time performance in C4D that I will base my purchase on.
So, the ATI card benchmarks faster, but the NVidia has some extra features not included in the benchmark, right ? I'm just curious as to what people think would perform better in a real world situation.
I will be mostly working with fully animated characters, of reasonably low poly, and it's realtime performance & playback that I care about most.
Thanks in advance.

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