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01-21-2005, 02:17 PM
That empty hole since the end of the challenge must be filled, might this work?
I am not just a 3D artist, I am a composer, a writer, a photographer, a videographer, a video editor. 3D is the lowest of my abilities in my mind so I hope this interests some of you.
I am willing to create a full music video of this competition. I am willing to composite all entries submitted which wish to participate in either static or animated form. If you are interested let me know if the Admins deem it worthy, an official topic will be created.
My vision is this...
The song is 8 minutes long, There are 3 song movements each broken into 2 sub variations.
The first is very soft and ominous where the more gradise, "pretty" entries would go, the most happy pieces. The second part of the first movement adds some drums and gets a bit heavier where some of the more intense maybe slightly more foreboding images and animations should go. I would envision alot of things shooting but not as many blowing up yet. Things rising into the air getting in formation, loading weapons,
The first part of the second movement is very heavy, dark, and angry. There would be either alot of stills which small parts of might be used to flash by very quickly on the build up to this part, or a very intense animation. Here you would see full conflict everything would be blowing up people getting hit, fried, destroyed, cut in half, heads ripped off or full power up faze super saiyen style! The second movement would be people trying to escape crawling on the ground, blocking defending counter-manuevering, dodging behind ships or planets, buildings or refuse.
The first part of the second movement is heavy with drums in a jazz based break beat style which would go great for the regrouped last offensive with alot of explosions and firing. The second part is very somber, returning to the original theme with a new variation, here would would have the survivors the, visionaries, the dreams, the nightmares the aftershocks of what a GSO would leave in its wake for real.
Well I am very open to suggestion and cooporation and this is open for all entries in the GSO. Anyone who participated even if you did not get a chance to finish the contest. I will use sketches if they are detailed enough as well as final art pieces. Please consider this my thanks to the best community on earth and as a gift.
I plan on making it DVD because I want it to have complete behind the making of GSO (*DVD menu based bios of each contestant who wishes to be included with their W.I.P.'s images) I am fully experienced to do this I have worked with Icon Entertainment, been associated with FMPTA as well as being the lead designer on their magazine Viewfinder. I have international distribution of my music and video work on LMTV in South America and parts of North America where the channel is carried. I worked on VIP Latino as the creator of the music and all special effects. I have had my music in part used for some feature films etc..
I will send the original files (meaning the working document along with collected resources and a FINAL DVD MASTER freely to cgnetworks admins as my thanks to them for all their hard work with which they can do as they please.
Each person who submits their artwork to be included in the video will recieve a DVD copy free!!
(the DVD label artwork will be of the winner of the contest picked by cgnetworks).
Anyway, thanks everyone for making this the best artist experience of my life!
01-21-2005, 02:26 PM
(taken from official 3D GSO FAQ Discussion Page (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?p=1910491#post1910491))
Now that sounds GRAND! Great Idea, I hope it will be realized. I don't have experience in such maters, but I'm totally in:)
Well all the experience in this you would need is what you already have. Pick a favorite part of the song, determine a length of animation you can produce and then go to town on your creation you have already. Please try to keep all animations short no more than a few seconds at a time, even if you plan to create 5 or 10 of them.
01-21-2005, 03:24 PM
well i would like to be part of this if there is space for my work ? :shrug:
01-21-2005, 04:31 PM
1) Greeeeat idea! I really like you want to do so much for this community! :eek: :)
2) If you 'like' my GSO stuff (see signature), please put it in there! ;) :)
Good luck on it, and I'll follow this along... :)
01-21-2005, 04:55 PM
Like I said, all entries are going to be included. My opinion has nothing to do with it. Where things get used in the music video I will determine but not who is in the video. That you determine. So to answer you both of your entries will be in there! Please see the following post in which I detail out the overview and requirements for the production.
01-21-2005, 04:55 PM
Firstly I wanted to thank everyone in advance that plans on submitting their work to this Tribute DVD and Music Video to the artists of the GSO 2D & 3D. Having said that I wanted to let you know I was not planning on forcing you to do more work either. Your efforts for this contest alone have earned you a place whether you finished or not. For now I will detail out the overview of the DVD as it will be completed and how it will be produced. If any part of this inspires you to do more work for it you will receive full accommodation in the title credits. If you can produce animations of your entries that would be great, otherwise layers from Photoshop can be animated in After FX which is what I will be compositing this in. I will get more into that in the technical specs in the next post.
The breakdown is like this:
1-Cgsites animated logo intro
2-Vluna, logo intro (that’s the production house who will make the DVD’s)
3-GSO Animated Intro to Menu Loop
4-GSO Menu Loop
c.Start GSO Music Video
5-GSO Menu Lead Out to Introduction
a.Guided commentary by Cgnet representative explaining who, what, when, where, why do a 3D GSO on this scale.
b.Favorites of the Admins (admin achievement recognitions)
7-GSO Menu Lead Out to The Judges
a.Introduction to the judges’ image based or video based on their desired involvement.
b.Their image Galleries
9-GSO Menu Lead Out to GSO Music Video
10-GSO Music Video
a.See above overview proposed for collaborative animation project
11-GSO Menu Lead Out to The Finalists
a.All final submissions submitted to CGNetworks
b.With link to artist section
13-GSO Menu Lead Out to The Artists
a.Alphabetical (last, first name based) thumbnail gallery of the Artists with short bio explaining a bit about themselves, their entry, as detailed as they wish to get with audio, video or typed submission.
b.Thumbnailed Gallery of W.I.P. Images submitted
c.This sections background imagery / theme can be created by the artist, the layout can be a Photoshop document and layers can be animated.
15-GSO Menu Lead Out to credits
01-21-2005, 05:00 PM
Ok now for the details on how and what should be submitted for this DVD. First, all images are acceptable in any basic form such as .bmp, .tif, .jpg, .psd, .pict etc.. Uncompressed is preferred. I will be doing this in the HD format. That means really high-resolution. 1280 x 720 (NTSC 29.97)! I want people to be able to zoom in on their DVD players on your beautiful final images!!! Ok next animation formatting: If you cannot achieve 1280x720 please do not up-sample images or animations! All WIP / Final submissions will be scaled by the video application to the appropriate size.
My Setup to create DVD
Hardware: Canopus DV RT Windows XP
AMD P XP 3200
1GB (2x 512 Dual Layer) DDR 128bit
2x200 GB Seagate Barracuda’s (8mb cache) 1-SATA, 1-IDE
Nvidia GeForce FX 5600 (256MB 8x AGP)
Adobe Video Suite: (newest packaged with DV Hardware)
The Specs for use one more time:
Standard: NTSC Format: HD 1280 x 720
Use: For video images or animations (things that will be full screen only)
Gallery Size: larger than 640x480 please (things that will be thumbnailed by the program automatically)
Frame Rate: 29.97
Details on music video: ok so you want to get involved but you did a lot of compositing in Photoshop? No problem, Adobe suit is fully capable of animating layers from Photoshop individually allowing for your final comp to be moving even if it’s a still frame. If you can render complete animations then they will be used if not in entirety then at least in part, depending on how many people wish to be involved in this ie how many seconds of stuff I end up having to find a place for…hehe. The song is 8 minutes long and has 3 distinct themes and 2 sub variations so there is plenty of room for all images to fit and all animations to be shared. The credits will include a thumbnail of your used segment from the video with your artist credit (name, url, etc..) and I promise it will move slowly enough for people to read…
1- Cgnet logo animation
2- Cgnet bios & interviews of staff involved
3- Cgnet explaination of the challenge
4- Judges Bios & Data sheets (can be simple if required)
5- Animation of intro
6- Animation of Menus
7- Animations and stills to be used in music video
8- Artist Bios
9- Artist W.I.P. Images
10- Artist Theme screens
11- List of winners
12- List of Credits
01-21-2005, 05:04 PM
Anyone who wishes to take on the responsibility seriously on one of these above menioned items I would be happy to either work with you or leave you to do that part of the final production. Such as menu ideas or animations.
I will put all the elements together and do anything that has not been claimed by another individual.
If you can produce an short animation of your entry I would prefer it. If you have to make the size of it smaller please do it proportionally so when it is upsampled it does not distort.
01-21-2005, 05:09 PM
||) |V| |^|: Sounds like a cool idea you have there.
Any work you wish to submit I am happy to include. Even if its just a PSD!
01-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Just incase you read this and want to be included you must reply in this topic stating this or else I will only include your name in the final credits. I will not use anyones anything unless permission is granted. I don't want to get myself in trouble while trying to do something nice.
01-21-2005, 07:18 PM
i have just one thing and that is..
everyone Records them in some format i don`t know (320x240 because that is today standard at digital camera) and send it ... in that comentry u say who u are , where are u from , age and why did u join GSO!
or just picture
second thing ... i think that images should be like this ....
sketch > no textures just light > black and white > Final
4 images... that is just idea....
01-21-2005, 07:42 PM
All ideas are welcomed Marko! Thanks for caring enough to contribute them. The personal video of yourself can be anysize. The bigger it is the larger I can make it in the final. Its only the music video that needs to be high-res. Even if you capture your personal video on a web-camera I will use it!
As far as the pics go. I would like to have at least 1 image for each step represented in the challenge concept sketch, modeling, rendering, lighting post, final for the gallery. For the video I want to keep it to really nice sketches only or high quality psd based layer animatable only. There is one or two parts where I could get away with flashing some high quality stills. But I want to keep most of the W.I.P. Images in the gallery for the artists.
Most of the music video will be reserved for those who go above and beyond and render out some animations of their final works. even if in layers against a perfectly contrasting color like green or something. I can chroma key it and composite 2-10 different rendering into 1 final if you cannot do it in your video-post options of your rendering package.
01-22-2005, 12:14 AM
yeah i thought something like this...
video in right corner ( i said 320x240 because it is usual size of todays Digital-Camera ... and most of people have it ) ... u representin urself
and down u have bioography....
01-22-2005, 04:00 AM
Hi Richard...............I got your message.I think your going for another ambitious project are'nt you?;)
Well I know it's in good hands.If you feel like using something from my shot here feel free to use what you like for this project of yours.
I'll be looking for more from you,and just drop me a line when you want to show me more from this or anything else you have in mind........I'll be around,just working on my project.But I'll be looking for you.So best of luck with your new project,it sounds quite interesting.Keep in touch,and until next time all the very best to you.Good luck with the challenge and all your next creations/projects......:arteest: :arteest:
01-22-2005, 04:39 AM
it's an excellent idea!!
How can i send the video? :wip:
The video must be in ntsc 29.97 1280X720 .. it's all? and the format it's avi? or mov? jpg sequence? sorry i don't understand all... :blush:
Anyway, i think it can be a very very cool idea!! :cool:
01-22-2005, 05:02 AM
I will be setting an ftp server up specifically for you each to use. I figure it will take a few days for people to begin doing their animations so... Mov or Avi uncompressed is good. As long as the clips are kept small it should not be 5 trillion MB! ;) Anyway, glad to see your interested and I will be posting up more info as it becomes available. (If any CGtalk admins/moderators would like to help out... let me know!)
01-22-2005, 11:49 AM
ok richard... write us the detail.... when i think better... it is better not to make videos of everyone intorducing themself because ... i dont know if people have digital cameras... :(
noow tell us what should we send u
01-22-2005, 05:39 PM
It can be either digital still shot of them and some text or a video introduction, either will work. I plan on using what ever is available.
01-22-2005, 05:48 PM
a good project.....||) |V| |^| and i totally agree with virtuoso!:thumbsup:! .......ill be looking forward!
01-22-2005, 06:55 PM
Ok so far who has given me permission to use their work in this:
(if you don't see your name in this list and you think it should be drop a line here and I will add it, if you see it and wish it to be removed, again the same, let me know, thanks)
01-22-2005, 10:32 PM
This sounds like a really cool project.. I wish I had some artwork to contribute though. Oh well, here's to a really cool idea! :beer:
I'll most definitely be watching this space and anticipating the final.. :buttrock:
01-23-2005, 12:02 AM
hey i thought something like this for BIO...
01-23-2005, 12:53 AM
yes except that it would have to be in wide screen format 16:9 (wide:tall) or else it will not fit on the screen. You can always seperate your extra details into a page two. Has anyone here seen the collectors directors cut FH: Dune (the new one). This is what I am aiming at for the way its put together. At least in a rough form.
01-23-2005, 01:02 AM
yeah i know ... 16:9... but i don`t know... hm... i havve idea for this like i am watching... after movie ... LOTR for i.e manny dialogs... "bla bla bla" ... one guy tallking then other ... then showing sketches... + final images... but that is just suggestion.... :)
01-23-2005, 05:52 AM
Hi, i've made a little Making Of, but i don't understand something... how many time can be the video? I've made a video, but it's too long. Your (excellent:thumbsup: ) song is 6minutes long... but my video is 2minutes long!! :cry:
It can be cut, but anyway, with the layer, it take too many time...
Perhaps i don't understand something.... my english is so bad...:sad:
Can you explain me... :blush:
And you can see the video here :
It can easily be cut, and ... oh yes... for the music of the video, it's just for fun! ;)
01-23-2005, 06:18 PM
huh... 27 mb going to dl with 52k! :D but when i started this link has great co-operating with my so dl rate is 10kb/s:)
01-23-2005, 07:10 PM
Ok, SuperXCM that is perfect. I will use that in your WIP section for sure. I will have to change the music tho since that music is copyrighted. Great work. I only wish others could produce something like this for the video! As far as the music video goes, I was planning on using many short animated clips of the scene, so for instance a few of your ships flying into a formation, or getting ready to fire or something like that! Taking off, blowing up etc.. The more little clips I have to composite the better. Try to keep all "for the music video" animations shorter than 30 seconds each or at least about 30 seconds. Basically if you have ever seen a "Minds Eye" video, gate to, behind, the. This is what I am going for. Well done and keep them coming!
01-23-2005, 07:26 PM
Ok i begin to understand... :wip:
if you want 'im doing an animation in my scene, it begin near the center(connection) and the camera follow the plant to go back at the position of the final image. with some ship crossing the screen and the robot go out of the screen, but for now i've lot of problem with ship render... it's too much for my computer, i must divide all ship with a different render.
I hope to finish this soon, if it can be used.
Let me know! :)
Now, go back to my school work!! :arteest:
01-23-2005, 09:24 PM
it's too much for my computer, i must divide all ship with a different render.
This is no problem. Just render all of your images to quicktime with the 32+ bit mode. It adds an alpha channel to the video which I can extract and then recomposite all of your ships together. If you can get them all into the same scene with each other (rendered from the same camera), just hide all the extra ships and then render out a few same length, size movies and I will take care of the rest. Thanks again!
01-23-2005, 09:28 PM
oh yeah and be sure to include for me a report list of which file is the frontmost layer all the way back to the back so when I put it back together all the files stack up correctly.
01-24-2005, 04:06 PM
Even though I will not be a part of the video(didn´t finish), I´ll wish you good luck with the projekt. Sounds great, will be looking forward to watch the final outcome...
01-24-2005, 04:43 PM
looks like a cool project! is it only for the 3d entries, or are 2d also included?
01-24-2005, 05:17 PM
Kragh, the video is for "ALL" participants, that means you. I will include your W.I.P. gallery and artist bio as well in the artist section if you wish. The finalist area is for the people who finished only, but thats all. All you have to do is finish some animation sequence to go with the video or upload a PSD somewhere that I can download with your layers in it. I can animate Photoshop layers so if you have it seperated in to layers then I can make it move.
elmasfeo, this means 2D entries as well. All are welcomed. I especially hope to have 2D entries because the challenge was both 3D & 2D and the 2D seemed to stay on point better about the theme!
Also I was planning on making an extras area with the funniest things that came out of the challenge like baby's images, fellah etc.. There are alot of humerous images that came out of the challenge and I think they would work well in this area.
01-26-2005, 03:16 AM
Awesome Idea:thumbsup: Sure it will turn out great.:)
01-26-2005, 06:13 PM
I am definitelly in! :buttrock: You can use my entries as you see fit :thumbsup:
Currently I am downloading SuperXCM's "making of" to get a clearer idea of what you'd like to have for the WIP section :love:
There is one thing that is not entirely clear for me... how do we make the "bio". I saw that pick that markovic posted but it still doesn't make sense to me :shrug:
01-26-2005, 07:34 PM
Sleepinglion - thanks, I am working on getting the main format laid out as we speak.
nemirc - Great, I will include your images. Anything animated you can do overall for your entry will increase the usuability and coolness of the final production. As far as a bio goes, just a simple A/S/L/Interests/Area of expertise/work credits (think of it as the ultimate group portifolio for everyone. I think that just participating in something like this challenge should bring credibility to your name as an artist!
NEWS of the day - I have landed an column in Florida's Premiere magazine - Beach Magazine!
I am currently writing an article about the challenge with an introduction to 3D art using W.I.P. images from the challenge. Is anyone interested in being included in this article, I only have room for about 5 thumbnails of final images to show off in the magazine. If you want your entry to be included please let me know, it will be first come first serve! More to come!
01-26-2005, 07:50 PM
Excellent. In that case I will get to work and get you the video in DVD ready format :buttrock:
Pardon my ignorance... what's "A/S/L/" :blush:
And which format do you preffer for that bio thing?:wip:
Nice news on the magazine. However I would have hoped you had been the guy to interview miss august :cool: ... and maybe get a private photo shoot :beer:
01-26-2005, 08:48 PM
nemirc - Sorry its an old irc term, Age/Sex/Location... Basically, the things you would put in a resume so to speak, only not so formal. More personal. After all I want to showcase your abilities as my thanks for being such a wonderful community.
As for the photoshoot... hehe, I did not shoot her, but I have shot others.. maybe one day I will share it with you sometime.. ;) hehe
01-26-2005, 09:03 PM
You are wicked!!! Wicked! Wicked!!! :twisted:
Share your not-so-3D-related "knowledge" with us less fortunate :deal:
01-27-2005, 12:59 AM
yeah cool the magazine!!
I want to be in the magazine pleaseee!!! :bounce:
I want to meet the cover girl!! :cool:
What do you need? Just a psd? Wich format image? :arteest:
Tell me more!!
PS: I found a solution about the ship problem on my render, i hope to post soon a link with the animation. Is the making of quality is ok? :shrug:
01-27-2005, 06:01 PM
Hehe... Actually I just need a print resolution image for the magazine. It doesn't require anything special really as far as format goes. As for the rest goes... we shall see. ;)
01-27-2005, 06:14 PM
Hi ||) |V| |^|,
how i can send you the image in print resolution? The tiff for the challenge is ok? (3000*1800)
can i put a link on the image, or some signature?
Thanks for this oportunity. :buttrock:
Tell me how can we do.
If the tiff is ok, i can send you a link for download it.
PS: I try to send you a PM, but it's impossible, you inbox is full!
01-27-2005, 08:24 PM
i have sent u PM... u didn`t answer... so there is no room for my pic ? :(
01-29-2005, 12:11 AM
If I understand correctly, there is no GSO work that will be turned down.. IE: yes there's room for yours as well as everyone else's work on the DVD.
And SuperXCM, you did a really nice job on that making of movie.. really cool stuff man! :thumbsup:
01-29-2005, 02:42 AM
Hey, my name is Sean R. Beeson, I have been around here a while. I just came across this. If you need any music or help with music, let me know. I have done music for quite a few animated projects, with my most recent being Derek Flood's Emelia. You can hear some of my music at
So if you need some help just let me know, I would love to help.
Sean R. Beeson
01-29-2005, 06:33 AM
Thanks everyone, sorry about my pm's but I had no idea I needed to clean them out... lol. Just like saving every message. I deleted all of them so it should be working again. Sorry about that.
Thanks Sean. I will check your stuff out here after I am done with this post. There are more projects than just 1 which will require music. I will be in contact with you for sure. Thanks again.
The Tiff's are fine for print and will work excellently. I will post up a full article copy after I get it back from the editor. :)
01-29-2005, 10:58 AM
i didnt ask about dvd , i asked about magazin :)
01-29-2005, 07:42 PM
i didnt ask about dvd , i asked about magazin :)
Gotcha.. you know, I wondered as I was writing my post whether you meant one or the other.. ;)
01-31-2005, 09:04 AM
Please contact me directly.
Mark. CEO. Ballistic Media / CGTalk / CGNetwroks.
mark@BallisticMedia.net +61 8 8388 5966
01-31-2005, 09:26 AM
Ok I sent you a message to your email. Will call if you need.
Thanks for the interest.
01-31-2005, 09:41 AM
man shall u answer my question! :(
01-31-2005, 08:04 PM
I sent you an answer did you get it? Yes there is room.... :)
01-31-2005, 11:15 PM
weee;;) ... well i didnt get it... i dont know happend... where can i send u my work ?
02-01-2005, 02:06 AM
send all references to firstname.lastname@example.org for now. it has a pretty big storage space sooo.
02-02-2005, 03:59 AM
Going forward with the MTV Video of the Grand Space Opera entries is on hold as there may be a potential conflict of interest in using any of the winning images. I will contact you when I hear more on this. Thanks. Alaric
02-04-2005, 06:36 AM
Just fyi, the article for the magazine has been fully approved therefore it will move forward and hopefully be in this months edition. I will keep you updated to the development as it unfolds.
02-04-2005, 06:09 PM
hm here is link to my pic (me) if u are going to put it
u can dl tiff from cgtalk.. ( i think i saw that there is dl)...
name : Markovic Darko
country : Serbia And Montenegro ( ex Yugoslavia )
program : maya , photoshop
if u need anything else... just tell me... and btw can u mail me that magazin when it comes out... i will give u my home address...?
02-04-2005, 07:55 PM
I just finished my "making of" video... 577mb in quicktime mpg4 format (1280x720 ntsc)... would a lower filesize be a good idea? I can't think of a possible way to send it swiftly :shrug:
EDIT: Anywayz... I managed to create a lower filesize xvid video... I hope you can use that one.
What's the format you need the "bio thing" and the pic for the video? I am going to make the resume and "stuff" today but I want to know what's the final format you need it in :deal:
Thank you :cry:
02-05-2005, 11:07 PM
yes i don't think about that. :banghead:
The divx file of my making of, is too low quality, you need certainly a High quality version.
I can put the file on my server until 500meg.
Tell me which format you need.
And for the bio, i make for school a showreel, if you want i can send you when it will finish (this week for sure).:shrug:
And SuperXCM, you did a really nice job on that making of movie.. really cool stuff man! :thumbsup:
02-06-2005, 12:55 AM
Well, I made a very nice quality xvid and it weights 50mb. I also have a very high quality mpg4 video but my server only has 300 mb available so I can't possibly upload it (the only possibility is the old friend air mail).
Super, I think you are right about that. A friend of mine makes DVDs and he tried using a divx of the quality of the one you made and it came out very grainy and bleh. Tell me, what are you using for the bio? I am having a hard time trying to come up with ANY kind of idea.
02-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Ok now that the winners have been announced I am ready to do final draft on the article in BM for this GSO! I will be contacting a few of you whom I felt (the writer of the article) deserved to be in the winners circle as my favorites. Taking a long last look at the entry's I really think that you can tell this is an international competion including the voting. There are several images which I know won which would be unpopular in the states due to whackiness. Anyway, congrats to all.
02-14-2006, 06:00 PM
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