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ggg
09-07-2002, 05:41 AM
Thanks to Ben Simons at VisLab.
It is set up not as .isos but as parts so it can be downloaded by parts needed.
Give Houdini a try, the procedural modeling is TRUELY procedural meaning not just a history of things effecting/refering to each other but the ability to significanlty change the first operators or even replace/switch them entirely and not have to rebuild it all like in xsi and maya.

http://www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/sidefx/

wgreenlee1
09-07-2002, 05:57 AM
Probrably doesnt run on Win98 does it?

MCronin
09-07-2002, 05:59 AM
Uh, Mirror? Don't you mean the one and only source? I don't think Side FX even bothered to put up an FTP for the Apprentice CD's, and I'm not aware of any others.

Well, good work, I hope people get it and actually try to learn it. It's a nice piece of software.:thumbsup:

Array
09-07-2002, 07:15 AM
bah....is there a way to download the whole cd without having to click on each individual file?

ggg
09-07-2002, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by Array
bah....is there a way to download the whole cd without having to click on each individual file?
Ben recommends:

GNU "wget" is a convenient way to copy a directory and all it's contents
over the net (ie. a recursive copy). There's even a version for Windows!
See:

http://www.wget.org/
http://wget.sunsite.dk/

But take care with wget - you don't want to download the entire internet!
It might not fit on your hard drive, and could be fairly expensive. ;-)

For example, if you wanted to download the Solaris Image of Houdini
Apprentice, you might use this wget command.

% cd /var/tmp
% wget -N -nv -r -L http://www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/sidefx/cd1/Solaris

and you would have the Solaris directory tree copied to /var/tmp.
Be careful you have spare disk space before you start a big download.
The command above would create /var/tmp/www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/sidefx/cd1/Solaris

The nice thing about wget is if it's interrupted, you can restart the
download from where it was. If you have to go through a firewall or
web proxy, then you should create a $HOME/.wgetrc file with the line:

http_proxy = proxy.example.yourdomain.com:8080

or whatever is your web proxy, then wget will work! It's Good Stuff! :-)
I think you _can_ specify the proxy on the command line, with something
like -e "http_proxy=proxy.thing.com:8080", but if you must go through
a proxy everytime, then it's probably best to set this in a .wgetrc file
once and for all. Set and forget.

dantea
09-07-2002, 02:20 PM
Has no one already downloaded the whole thing and started distributing it as iso's?

dantea
09-07-2002, 02:33 PM
Here's a place to get web crawlers:
http://idirect.tucows.com/offline95_rating.html

artifish
09-07-2002, 06:48 PM
downloaded it with getright, couldn't get wget to work on my xp machine... the getright browser was quite handy in getting those files...

just installed it, boy is houdinis interface slow on my machine - i can watch it building itself ... the open gl views are fast, but all the other interface stuff is so slooooow ... anyone experiencing the same problems or knows how to solve this issue?

cheers, carsten

MCronin
09-07-2002, 07:45 PM
I had the same problem with the interface redrawing itself. Updated video drivers seem to have solved it.

MCronin
09-07-2002, 07:51 PM
I found this.

http://www.techimage.co.uk/tc/products/houdini.html

This place has some additional tutorials, and has Apprentice for download in compressed archives.

ggg
09-07-2002, 09:33 PM
a mirror? ;)

glad you solved the gui redraw issue, I had the same issue with Derivative and Houdini beta but an update corrected it

jasoniversen
09-07-2002, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by wgreenlee1
Probrably doesnt run on Win98 does it?


Afraid not.. and it requires a pretty good graphics card too. I run on a GeForce3 pretty nicely.

jasoniversen
09-07-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by artifish
just installed it, boy is houdinis interface slow on my machine - i can watch it building itself ... the open gl views are fast, but all the other interface stuff is so slooooow ... anyone experiencing the same problems or knows how to solve this issue?
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one thing to be aware of is that (depending on your card/driver) if there are any applications which are "always on top" - even if not directly over the houdini interface - this can slow things down to a crawl. some OpenGL issue, i'm led to believe...

also i have have the issue using the GeForce3, that if two of my panes are showing 3d viewports (even the shaderball) if slows down the redraw of all the icons.

good luck- houdini uses very "pure" opengl calls that many games cards don't support fully. it's not fine-tuned for the PC market yet because its available for so many platforms.

azazel
09-09-2002, 10:42 AM
In my case redraw problem was somewhat solved by turning off hardware acceleration in display options (I use old Matrox G400 card)

KayosIII
09-09-2002, 11:24 AM
Didn't work for me on Mandrake.... Might try again later. :(

icedeyes
09-09-2002, 01:30 PM
KayosIII: try installing the newest mesa drivers along with your video card's certified drivers... It will work if you try this... I had a similar problem... But,it is freakin slow in my machine...

playmesumch00ns
09-09-2002, 02:58 PM
In what way is teh Apprentice version limited, and would anyone in the UK be kind enough to post me a copy on CD? I've only got a 56Kb/s modem, downloading the whoe thing would take all year! I love Houdini!!

artifish
09-09-2002, 03:22 PM
then this might interest you:

http://www.sidefx.com/news/british_mags/index.html

In early September, two key British magazines focused on the world of computer graphics and 3D animation will feature the Houdini Apprentice Edition on their cover CDs. These magazines are known worldwide and will give artists a chance to discover the power and flexibility of Houdini firsthand.

3DWorld Magazine

Houdini Apprentice Edition will be featured on the cover CD of the October, 2002 issue of 3DWorld Magazine. Check inside the magazine for a printed Houdini Apprentice tutorial, and visit their site to download a complete set of Houdini Apprentice Edition documentation and tutorials.

CGI Magazine

Houdini Apprentice Edition, and a variety of training files will be featured on the cover CD of the October, 2002 issue of CGI Magazine, which will also feature a Houdini procedural shading tutorial printed inside of the magazine.

These magazines offer two new ways of accessing the Houdini Apprentice program which provides non-commercial software and extensive learning tools to artists worldwide.

check out the q&a for infos on the limitations of houdini
http://www.sidefx.com/products/apprentice/program_details/index.html

cheers, carsten

roger
09-09-2002, 08:52 PM
One of the things you can do to "speed-up" Houdini is to turn off anti-aliasing grid.
A great Houdini webpage is http://www.odforce.net/
They have a good forum so if you have any Houdini questions that would be a good place to ask.

playmesumch00ns
09-10-2002, 12:05 PM
he hee, quality. I regularly read through both 3DW and CGI whenever I'm near a WHSmiths! Might actually buy a copy this time!

playmesumch00ns
09-10-2002, 12:09 PM
Houdini is soooooo cool!

ambient-whisper
09-11-2002, 04:49 AM
:) its gotten much better since i last used it. ( 4.0 )

jasoniversen
09-16-2002, 07:05 PM
Side Effects have posted an official mirror page here:

http://www.sidefx.com/news/download/index.html

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