CgTalk Daily Sketch 221: MATTE WARS 001: Pirate Sea Port

[captain chapo]

first matte! does this even count as a matte??? haha.
2hrs PS

http://www.thisdonkerslife.com/art/matte/matte1.jpg

[Gentrifier]

Yay, my first attempt at a matte painting. I've always wanted to do one of these.

This is far from complete, but it's all I can finish in, according to VisualBoo Timer, 3 hours 10 minutes on my Wacom Intuos 2 tablet with Photoshop CS.

Click on the image for a larger version.

Gentrifier.

http://www.community3d.com/stuff/mattewar1_small.jpg (http://www.community3d.com/stuff/mattewar1_large.jpg)

[haunting_shadow]

What the heck is matte?

[FromanylanD]

Is this replacing today's normal sketch? If so, how often will this be happening?

[Art2]

I was hoping you would start this after the Space Opera Challenge was over.
Better luck next time :(

capChapo, Gentrifier, pretty good job guys!

[drawMonger]

nice to have something different to do

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/sg221-mattewar1.jpg

ps / 1hr

[Mysterious X]

i'm so going for this...my excuse was not having a wacom..now it's only PS work :applause:

[DoInferno]

First atempt to do a matte painting... Used 2 photos... Unfortunally the second one a have chosen was very low resolution, so i ended up with a small pic....

Hey Roberto, i think we should have not only the matte wars today, but also our normal sketch! One shouldn´t replace the other... Well here it is:

http://www.carlosranna.com.br/cgtalk/matte_porto_pirata.jpg

Am i suposed to post the other pic i have used?

[drewblit]

From the sublime to the ridiculous 3 hrs
humm and it's not really finished. I had no real idea what to do with this for the first 2.5 hrs
If I feeling insane later I might try to add to it
http://www.geocities.com/thebigpixel/mattewar01.jpg

[tadbit]

This was alot harder than I thought it would be. I only had an hour to do it in so it is really quick but I managed to cover every part of the photo. As you can see I rearanged some of the stuff.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/tad_bit/piratecove.jpg
60 min, Painter 9, mouse.\
Enjoy!

[eug3n]

to drewblit: I don't know if you noticed this but there is a huge reflection in the sea of a rock? tree? you made disappear :D Try to loose it.. Kinda too big for leaving it there.
Otherwise I think your's is very nice and clean. Well done. Looks real enough for me.
Other's are good too.

[drewblit]

Thanks eug3n, yeah I noticed it, also the sea doesn't show on the horizon where it should.
I spent over a couple hours mucking around with small stuff then worked out what I wanted to
change. I would like to change much more and clean up the lines but i'll see if I have time.

[coCoKNIght]

what about explosions and stuff? is that allowed?
Damn, I've almost overseen this threat, it should have been frontpage or at least announced in the mattee warz comming soon thread...

[DoInferno]

Tried another. This stuff is fun to do, but also painfull. Lots of hard work. And i still miss the normal daily sketch, in wich i´m adicted.

http://www.carlosranna.com.br/cgtalk/matte_porto_pirata01.jpg

And the boat looks like sh*t. Don´t know how to improve...

[robinayles]

DoInferno - it doesn't look that bad, it looks a little flat compared to everything else is all. Really good job!

I love what everyone is doing, I hope to be able to do this when I get home tonight!

[dark_abismo]

hi!... i hope that it looks like a pirate sea port.. hehehe.. well i hope some critiqes and comments about it , thx!!! i am wondering if this will be instead the daily sketch ??? i hope that this be separated.... well who knowws?? hehe

http://www.estertor.com/cgtalk/pirateport.jpg

forget to mention... ps 50 min / wacom...

[dark_abismo]

i am a little confused now.. after watching all the entries.. the concept behind the matte paint.. is to add to a existing picture... not the redraw.. it... isnt?

[twixeeer]

I hope this count as a matte-painting.

http://web.telia.com/%7Eu64004440/mattewar1.jpg

Photoshop / 1 hour

[jeroentje]

Roberto, I love the whole idea of doing a mattepainting.
Thanks for providing the photograph, very nice.

I was sick as a dog today so I stayed home. But because I was so bored I started fiddling around with your photo. I couldn't stop, although I feel like someone is banging a hammer on my head and I have a fever...

My first matte painting.
Photoshop, 7 hours.

http://jeroen.cgcommunity.com/pics/mattewar1.jpg

[Gentrifier]

Nicely done, jeroentje! Great mood and detail.

For those still wondering what the heck a matte painting is, here are a few informative links:

Matte World Digital (http://www.matteworld.com/)
Click on the links for "The Alamo," "The Last Samurai," and "Down with Love" to see before and after shots.

Voxfilm (http://www.voxfilm.com/mattepaint1.html)
http://www.invaderdigital.com/lordoftherings.htm
http://go.to/seungho
http://www.dusso.com/

Here is a pretty good description I found by Machette on 3DLuvr:

"Matte painting was originally where you'd paint many layers of glass slates and layer them on top of eachother in the background of a film. These days with digital matte painting, you paint usually in photoshop and or painter.
Matte paintings are usually extensions on film, such as if you built a set but didn't want to spend 10k building the background castle, you might want to paint it in.

There's two different methods, some people just have thousands upon thousands of cd's of photos and sample sources and just rubber stamp and cut and paste sources togeather to form their images, others who are more traditional artists paint their plates oposed to sourcing photos, and of course there's varying degrees of both."

There might be other, more specific definitions. It was fun to hunt those sites down, since I'm totally new to matte painting myself.

Gentrifier.

[Cut-Me-Own-Throat-Dibbler]

Wish I had more time but heres my feeble attempt :/ not a lot to signify prescence of pirates
http://www.grieve.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cgt/matte/piratesport.jpg
1hr/photoshopCS/Wacom

[Drumwhore]

hope this photo cut'n'paste method is allowed..? or must it be painted? :/ i used 2 or 3 photos from webshots..
anyway, a bit more than 1h, photoshop cs.

http://users.skynet.be/am272566/matte1.jpg

[RobertoOrtiz]

For this kind of work, all methods are kosher.
The idea is to get a great final shot.

Great work so far to all.
-R

[coCoKNIght]

http://www.fabianhernandez.ch/images/cgtalk/matteepainting1.jpg

Here's my entry, ended up being crappy but it's my first matteepainting...

jeorentje and drumwhore: love your pictures! (though drumwhore's forgotten to kill the car :scream:

Oh, ehm, photoshop, wacom, 3h or so.... 3h?!! f***!

EDIT: Added some light & minor changes: + 15'

[El-Rodente]

gah, i see you didnt like my mountain... :(

crappy resolution anyway

but very very nice, all entries, and roberto... you can take your hat off now

[cLos71]

...the source pict is perfect as well.

Capitan — I guess, for the first one is OK, but the place looks deserted.
Gentrifier — You might want to get rid of the cars. ;D
drawMonger — I wish I was there. Try using more photos to get that realistic background look.
DoInferno — Cool misty feel #1, Ship is a little flat compared to the rest, but you got the right approach.
drewblit — that pirate fort looks alive, you have the right approach.
dark_abismo — hell broke loose! Attack! Cool, what's in the water on the left? If the flames were smaller and the smoke heavier and darker I think it could pull it together even better. Check out jeroentje's.
twixeeer — Very nice! Nice integration of both environments. I like how the red clothing of the tiny people stand out against the rough terrain; it makes you look. Look forward to seeing other mattes from you.
jeroentje — Really cool!I can almost see the smoke moving! The stars are HUGE.
J_Grieve — Interesting coloration, dramatic/funky
Drumwhore — NICE! The integration of the sky and the enviromental light—well achieved. Where on earth did you get the ships? is perfect! If can be picky the only thing I would change is the wave pattern on the concrete on the lower right and, nix the car.
coCoKNIght — Pirates of the Caribbean meets Roswell—off the wall! cool cave reference—that better be a huge a** cave, El Morro Castle is not small :)

Great job everyone, can wait to get home and start playing!

[Gentrifier]

Ack! Thanks for pointing that out. I was so focused on the pathway last night that I didn't really even look amongst the trees there. Man. Well, I guess I'll have to get rid of those things.....any waterskiers in the background I missed? Stupido.

Gentrifier.

[Drumwhore]

Thanks for your comments :) I just updated the pic, pattern and car were removed :D

edit: i got the ships from www.webshots.com , you can look into the 'community' section for lots of free photographs.

[augustus]

First matte painting. Photopaint and Maya used, took about 2 hours. Extra images found on morguefile.com (http://www.morguefile.com/). Not much really. I was planning to put a pier but:shrug:. Anyway:

http://august.f2o.org/temp/mattewar1.jpg

P.S. : Very nice photo Roberto.

[tuzz]

The source pic was really great.
My result is not, but I want to post it anyways. Been a while since i last contributed by a pic, not only words ;)

http://www.holgerfrohloff.de/images/mattewar1_tuzz.jpg

almost forgot:
took much much much much too long, considering the end result, aprox 4h or was it 5? :eek: :cry:
and trying out the new new PS CS (your right Goro, it has some nice features)

great work by all you others

the day version looks better, doesn't it? (did you even recognize it was supposed to be night? :argh: )

http://www.holgerfrohloff.de/images/mattewar1_tuzz2.jpg
-tuzz

edit: just realized the others trees dont reflect in the water, should edit that, but i am too tired and i need sleep, perhaps tomorrow morning :(

[Fantastic Plastic Machine]

Well, I didn't have much time, but that is no excuse for unleashing this work of profound crappiness on humanity. I guess about half an hour in Photoshop. It's exactly the same as the source pic.
http://img118.exs.cx/img118/9407/mattewar20pm.jpg

[Octothreat]

Wow, really great entries so far!!
If my photoshop would go more than 5 consecutive minutes without crashing, I'd do this one.

[drewblit]

hmm I think we've all suffered enough Roberto.
This is a little bit like torture and I can't leave the pic well enough alone. :cry:
Can we go back to the normal sketch now. I'm am in awe of real matte painters

[Gentrifier]

More Matte Wars! How about alternating days -- one day Matte Wars, one day regular Daily Sketch.
Either way, I'm hooked. I'll be noodling around with the Pirate Town for days.

Gentrifier.

[captain chapo]

hey drewblit, did you draw that ship?? yours is looking damn good...i'm definitly going to have to go back and add something to my desolte pirate hideout, thanks clos and art!

[DoInferno]

hey Tuzz, i like the first one better. the second looks to much like the original pic. The problem on the second is the lightning. You can see it´s night, but what a dark night man! Maybe you should add some moonlight, and definetely some of the fire reflex on the walls and water...

---->>::<<----

About the sketch or matte issue, i like´em both, and i can live a day without a matte war. Definitely it´s been a hard day without the normal sketch. I mean, it´s suposed to be daily right?

I had to go to conceptart.org to find a daily sketch session. The problem is i don´t quite like their session as much as ours... Do you want us to go there man?

having so many great ideas in the sugestion topic, i think we could have the normal sketches really daily, and the mattewars you post it in the frequency you want. Of course daily is best, but them again, you would have to find a pic for us always, so, do the way you find better. Just please, don´t leave us again with no normal sketchs man! Please!!!

Hope everyone agrees...

[drewblit]

er no I didn't, just found a pic on the net ...bad, bad, bad.
Roberto wrote:
"For this kind of work, all methods are kosher.
The idea is to get a great final shot".

I wanted to paint a ship but have spent way too much time on this I should
be doing some real work. :banghead:

[embryotic]

Cool idea/topic. Sadly im too busy at work:sad:

Fantastic Plastice Machine - Nice Colours!

coCoKNIght - I love the interpretation looks awesome 2

jeroentje - really cool!

drumwhore - thats brilliant - looks fantastic

dark-abismo - good work - a bit apocolyptic...dont you think? :twisted: ha ha

they're all wicked - Im running out of synonyms.

[robinayles]

Pirate Sea Port - Matte Wars #1



http://www.k-squared.com/piratematte.jpg
About 3 hrs PS Wacom - its a merge between a pic from New Zealand and Roberto's San Juan pic. Talk about an interesting mix of cultures! :)

There are some amazing results on here! Loads of fun. I vote that we only do this about once a week. I can see how its hard to stop and feel that you are finished. There are probably about a dozen things I could add or change.

Great work everyone!

[FromanylanD]

Some very nice stuff crew :thumbsup:

I'll also throw in another vote for having this a weekly thing.

[cLos71]

OK here's what I've done in 3Hrs. I still need to put my cannons, people, etc. No I'm not leaving the tourists on the boardwalk and I have to fix the lower right corner. Pheew! Nice challenge Roberto! I'm going to sleep! Talk you you all tomorrow. PS — Nice Job robinayles!
http://www.carlosvegadesign.com/CGT/cvMatteMorro.jpg

[DoInferno]

Clos, i have to say... Even though there are others great artists that haven´t post yet... The prize is yours!!!

Wow! Vitriolic, Fridayeve and all the others who are still working, work a lot! This one is hard to beat!

Congrats, man! Beautifull job!

[the sparky]

wow, that is totally addictive. mine is a bit too abandoned - but i don't want to spend any more time on this, I need to do my homework!

http://www.adventuredog.net/postedwork/pirate.jpg

[cLos71]

Love the mood! Is as foggy as it is here in New York tonight! i like the detail of lighting up the inside of the "garita", or guards house. The fact that you're totally change the mood of the original adds to it's drama. :thumbsup: PS—Nice update drewblit!

[coCoKNIght]

why not put the matte warz in a separate forum? (link right below the daily sketch forum link?)
Would be cool if we had a daily sketch every day as the name suggests and to have a week to complete the matte warz peace.
... oh, and a modelling warz would be cool too :scream:
hihi, no matter what you decide Roberto, I can live with it! :) You're doing a great job!

[drewblit]

CocoNight: Yes I agree with that it would be good to have the matte wars as once a week on a separate thread. I promise I'll stop whinning now. It has been great to see everyones entries. Plus there is a 3D speed modelling comp going I'd like to give that a go some time if I get a chance.
Robin: Is this going to be a continuing theme, seeing scenes from your round the world holiday? :)
Clos I think your image with the strong tones etc is a much better image.
Also Drumwhore great image

[coCoKNIght]

drewblit: Oh, hadn't noticed: great update on your pic! :thumbsup: If you want to spend 5 more minutes in it I'd suggest you blur the reflection of the ship a little and/or add a watertexture to the reflection, because I think it's too strong.
spraky: very nice matte! I can feel the cold :)

[Goliath]

my first matte :) quite fun,
great entries every1

edit: ps7 ~2h
edit 2, just color corrected as i realised my screen is very dark, compared to average.

http://www.illusions.dk/billeder/mattewar2.jpg

[Garma]

this is so cool, working on it right now! Drumwhore, that's excellent. the sparky also very nice.

[edit]

all right here goes. Hope you guys like it. Had fun doing it, though I couldn't really think of anything to add that also fitted in the composition :sad:

1.5 H | PS

http://csr.oli.tudelft.nl/huizen/hg/tdg/221_mw1_pirateseaport.jpg

[Cageron]

my first matte painting

http://www.visualage.ch/CGTalk/SOTW/sketch_221.jpg

photoshop | 4h | mouse

nice entries ever1

>>> fullsize image <<< (http://www.visualage.ch/CGTalk/SOTW/sketch_221_fullsize.jpg)

[robinayles]

CLos71 - thanks! I think your's ROCKS too!

drewblit - I like to incorporate other places I've been with my art....do you like it, or are you jealous of my world travels? :cool: <hee hee>

Garma - WOW! Love it!

Cageron - that is SWEET!!

This is a wonderful thread, so many different styles and choices, WAY KEWL!

[haunting_shadow]

wow, Cageron, thats your first matte painting and you did it with a mouse? that rocks! you must be one heck of an artist :) i can't do anything with a mouse!

[the sparky]

I'd love to have more of these.

garma - looks like we found the same picture of a pirate flag. mine doesn't really stand out - it's a shame, such a nice flag picture.

[Vitriolic]

really enjoyed this topic, thx roberto! ran out of time pretty badly though.

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/2151/mattepirateport0pk.jpg

2:30 ish, photoshop + wacom. Got the sky from an additional photo ref.

[jeroentje]

@Vitriolic
Oh, I like that one. good idea, that fire basket.

@Roberto
I would love to have more of these.
Like every 2 weeks or so.

[Cageron]

robinayles thx :D

haunting_shadow thx a lot man, but i think actually i'm beginner :)

vitriolic hm... strange i cant see your painting

roberto this topic rocks...

EDIT: oh god... i need an avatar...

[Art2]

Vitriolic, pretty sweet job!

[cLos71]

Nice job Vitriolic! I like how you moved the guard posts around, it almost looks like towers. :thumbsup:

[turx]

2 hours with ps.
additional 2 sky and one mountain ref pictures.
http://www.turx.com/beta/gallery/matte/cgtalk/mattewar1turx.jpg

[robinayles]

Vit and Turx - those are really GREAT!

[balistic]

cool stuff everyone! getting started on mine now. . .

[balistic]

*edit* hey guys, I decided to spend a couple more hours on mine to fix some things, see newer version a few posts down. Thanks!

[Vitriolic]

wow, really nice man - those foreground rocks are great! :buttrock:

[theChap]

Heya, nice matte-paintings! I saw some really good ones :) Hehe, here is mine. It's my first matte painting, and did not had much time :( 1 hr photohop CS

http://www.maartenslok.nl/sketches/mattewar1-wipje.jpg

(It's actually a w.i.p. but I really don't have the time to finish it, I'm sorry. I hope you like the idea though :))

[balistic]

Thanks Vitriolic! That cannon in yours is HUGE. Could split the black pearl in half with that baby :)

[robinayles]

Ballistic - WOW! That is really great!

The Chap - really interesting switch...the Ice Fortress! :thumbsup:

[balistic]

turx, I dig yours. Nice mood.

Decided to spend a little more time on this, bringing my total to 8 hours (that still counts as a day, right? I didn't get started until late friday night and couldn't do everything I wanted to before I ran out of energy. If anyone thinks it isn't fair, lemme know and I'll resubmit the original for voting.)

http://www.bprince.com/Mattewar1RevisedSmall.jpg
8 hours, Photopaint 10, Intuos 3

Here's a link to a bigger version (http://www.bprince.com/Mattewar1RevisedBig.jpg), if you want to see more detail.

No photos used aside from the provided source.

[Gord-MacDonald]

Photoshop 10 hrs (uggh!)

I have just developed a very healthy respect for matte painters!

This was supposed to be the flying dutchmans landing pad, but I got tired and left his "ghostship out". The clouds were originally really big waves but...

Ballistic - you entry is absolutely breathtaking! Beautiful work!

modified - simplified clouds and added mountains - gm


http://cg2020.com/dailysketch/mattewar2.jpg

[Garma]

If anyone thinks it isn't fair, lemme know and I'll resubmit the original for voting.)

I think the rules are there like guides, I don't think anyone here takes them very strictly :) it's just that you need them and to make sure things won't get out of hand.

anyhow I dig your rocks in the foreground. Great to see you updated your sky, it was bothering me in the last pic. It's better now. I would suspect a haze in the distance near the mountains. And the gradient blue sky seems a bit out of place in your picture. very nice result :)

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