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PixelPlay
01-07-2005, 02:33 AM
Most recent update here:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/n/a/natzke/dragonshaded.jpg

Looking mostly for helpful criticism, or just plain criticism. I am trying to get the design of this dragon to gel but it just doesn't look right to me. I have looked at it so long now that I can't see what exactly is bugging me about it and I want to get the sketch right before I go on to laying in the background, coloring and so on. He is supposed to be in flight and this is an arial view. Working in Painter IX demo. Thanks beforehand for any help.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/n/a/natzke/Dragonsketch.jpg

Oh, by the way, the bones in the wings are just to help my figure out how they should move and will not be on the final drawing.

Eternally Mine
01-08-2005, 12:05 AM
Well to tell you the truth I have been looking at the picture and something is just not right. I just am having trouble deciding what. I think the wings may be it, they look out of place, sorta like hands and not wings. I would make the wing span larger and add more skeletal detail and texture. The body reminds me of a teradactal and should be more musular and perhaps the horns more menacing and sharp. I think you have a wonderful start.
:thumbsup:

holycoww74
01-08-2005, 12:51 AM
I think the problem might be, that the wings don't really line up right with the body.

it's almost like a top view of the wings, but a side view of the body....
the far wing should be angled down a bit more, and hidden a little, unless he just flaps one at a time.....

but otherwise, a very nice dragon.....I really like the bone stucture in the wings...

hope it helps.

PixelPlay
01-08-2005, 01:07 AM
Thanks for the comments and critique! Very helpful.

Eternally Mine -- Will work on making the head thornier/hornier and wings bigger.
Holycow -- And now I see that the wings view is wrong with the body almost side view and wings more top view. Will try to straighten this out.

Back to sketching. . . .

Eternally Mine
01-08-2005, 11:20 PM
I will await your revision excitedly!

:bounce:

PixelPlay
01-09-2005, 01:42 PM
Ok, I like this better -- thanks for the suggestions you so kindly gave. Not very familiar with digital painting but I think my next step will be to uprez it so that I can add some details that I really can't now. Wish I knew of a tutorial on how to go from line sketch to finished, colorized work. My plan is to uprez, polish the line drawing, paint the bacground, color the dragon, add shadows and highlights. Hope that is the right way to do things:shrug:. Anyway, a fun learning experience. Here's the latest version:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/n/a/natzke/Dragonsketch_02.jpg

Alice
01-09-2005, 02:54 PM
It looks a lot better now, the wings.
I cam across this link the other day, maybe its of some use to you?
http://www.ups.edu/biology/museum/wingphotos.html

holycoww74
01-09-2005, 08:24 PM
oh yeah! that is looking MUCH better.
I really like the new wings.... they seem sleeker .... for a faster sexier dragon!
errmmmmm.....

keep it up!

tttia
01-10-2005, 04:16 AM
Nice looking dragon, though the head angle seems a bit strained..almost as if it was drawn seperately and stuck on....looking up at a sharp angle. Otherwise, really good.

Eternally Mine
01-10-2005, 04:40 AM
I like it very much, keep up the wonderful work!

:thumbsup:

PixelPlay
01-10-2005, 10:37 AM
Alice, thanks for the great wings resource! Definite bookmark for that site!

tttia, the head may look a bit strained though it was all drawn at one time. The original concept for this was from Robin Hobb's Royal Assassin books and this was to be the 'Girl on a dragon'. So, seated in front of the wings is a girl who is partially embedded in the dragon itself. Some of the original composition of head and neck were to accomodate a rider leaving her room to sit astraddle the dragon. Maybe I will have to put the girl back on to be true to my original concept. Just working without reference for a dragon is one thing but working on a female figure without a reference will be much harder, at least for me.

PixelPlay
01-16-2005, 10:33 AM
Working to build up the masses of the dragon's body in shades of grey, defining light directions and shadow. I have done a couple of colorizing tests on the greyscale image and will post some of those after I finish fleshing out this dragon. This seems to me like a slow way to work but Roberto Campus has a tutorial on his website about working up from a greyscale image and he gets incredible results. Hope my results are half as good as his.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/n/a/natzke/Dragonshaded.jpg

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