8.2 Update Delayed Until January 2005

[Dennik]

And we know for sure its evil wifes and girlfriends that bribed them to do so. ;)

[webshot]

I may have missed the threads but is there any clue or idea what are the improvements in this version?

[wwade]

http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?t=30493


It will be a free upgrade adn a mix of fixes and new fun stuff.

Could not find info here on CG to link to sorry.

Wade

[erikals]

And we know for sure its evil wifes and girlfriends that bribed them to do so. ;)

He-he, ditto that :)

[ArtisticVisions]

Crap.... I was hoping it would be out by the end of December (I'm really looking forward to using UV maps with subpatched models and the UVs won't distort).

[Para]

I wouldn't say it was delayed since I didn't hear an official date for it at all although I was kinda wating it too to come out in a few days, seems like hype got me :shrug:

[richcz3]

It's better the fully test it. Nobody wants something that breaks more things than it adds or fixes. Nothing worse than fretting over a game killing bug over the holidays.

[uncon]

I never instaled the 8.1 update because the site has been broken (the online one where you put in your password and all that). I've tried it several times with no luck, has anyone else had similar problems and do you think the problem will carry over to 8.2?

I didn't see the point in trying so hard to get the 8.1 release, but 8.2 looks like there's some cool stuff in there.

[Lewis3D]

I never instaled the 8.1 update because the site has been broken (the online one where you put in your password and all that). I've tried it several times with no luck, has anyone else had similar problems and do you think the problem will carry over to 8.2?

I didn't see the point in trying so hard to get the 8.1 release, but 8.2 looks like there's some cool stuff in there.

Hi !

I never had problems downloading update and i downloaded with crappy old 56K modem :).

Also take notice that current update is 8.0.1 and NOT 8.1 (big difference since 8.0.1 is like 8.0b but they changed naming scheme)

cheers

[opera]

I just hope that new team will be more productive :twisted:

I am not sure that it will be revolutionary ( I know it's only 8.2 version ), but I have no more hope in Nt. Most of usefull fonctions implemented in LW or added as plugin was done by external developpers or customers (Dstorm, Worley, Olas, and all others ... ie: edgetool, bandsaw, hypervoxel,surpasses,...).

I spend more time on Flay.com to update LW than the NT website.

I guess that the old team was planning along time ago to leave Nt .... I was surprised to see Modo with most features we was asking for Lw modeler ...
Thanks guys !! (to modo's team)... when I saw modo, I felt betrayed , felt like an idiot !!

Some of my friends left Lw to more robust and serious software ( as Maya or XSI)
If you really look at the features implemented in Lw those last years... I am asking myself if only one guy was working on it ? ( I know what's coding means- writing lines, debugging).

But as I told you, I had more feed back, help from Maya and Xsi team than Newtek - wich is none with Nt.

Make us believe again ...

[SplineGod]

If I can get plugins off flay or off 3rd party developers thats fine with me. Im using the tools to make a living. Newteks provided a platform that, for the most part, does what I need it to do. This topic has been beaten to death so much that it doesnt it smell anymore. Software isnt like endangered animals when extinct are gone forever. Software can literally change overnight. Im pretty sure Newtek is not only serious about furthering LW (the hiring of Pete Jespersen as one example) but it doing so. Theyve been pretty visible lately and have been doing pretty well at letting ppl know whats coming.

Its funny that you mention XSI and Alias support because many ppl I know feel the opposite, that if youre not a big studio getting good support is short in coming.

"Robust" is also in the eye of the beholder. Theres still plenty of holes in both Maya and XSI to make it difficult to use in some cases. Sometimes the things that make Maya or XSI very useable in some instances also make them difficult to use in others. That priciple pretty much is the same for all software. :)

The current dev team IS productive. Im pretty happy with the pace that things are being updated and fixed. Im also happy with Newtek coming out and at least providing some kind of roadmap as to what theyre planning. Lightwave STILL does more then most ppl know what to do with it. Theres also other packages that can fill in the gaps you feel LW has. Some ppl use the term "jump ship" which is rarely the case and would be a waste of money, time and resources when most apps can work together in some capacity.

[hrgiger]

With all due respect opera, what a bunch of rubbish.


I spend more time on Flay.com to update LW than the NT website.
Well, that says more about the talents and dedication of the Lightwave community rather then a shortcoming of Newtek. Do you mean to tell me that third party applications for Maya or XSI aren't written more often then Alias or Avid puts out releases?

I guess that the old team was planning along time ago to leave Nt .... I was surprised to see Modo with most features we was asking for Lw modeler ...
Thanks guys !! (to modo's team)... when I saw modo, I felt betrayed , felt like an idiot !!You're forgetting the obvious. Modeler and Layout were created by the guys who wrote Modo. The reason we have the limitations that we do in Lightwave is because of the code that was written by those guys. For whatever reason, they decided to abandon their software and Newtek and re-write it and call it Modo. Newtek was left with Lightwave and was given the task of re-hiring new programmers, picking up the pieces and moving on.
Or to put it another way, fix the current Modo developers crap. I think they're doing just fine.


Some of my friends left Lw to more robust and serious software ( as Maya or XSI)
Good for them. My brother just got a new car. Both of them are equally relevant to Newtek's development of LIghtwave.

If you really look at the features implemented in Lw those last years... I am asking myself if only one guy was working on it ? ( I know what's coding means- writing lines, debugging).Obviously, your understanding of the development process is staggering.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Lets keep the tone of the thread positive, or I will close it.
Put down those axes you have been griding.



-R

[Beamtracer]

Lets keep the tone of the thread positive, or I will close it.

So far 11 posts are positive or neutral about the coming Lightwave update, verses two that are a negative. I think that's pretty normal when any software is discussed.

Most of usefull fonctions implemented in LW or added as plugin was done by external developpers or customers (Dstorm, Worley, Olas, and all others ... ie: edgetool, bandsaw, hypervoxel,surpasses,...).
I think that's normal as well. There's nothing wrong if you use one of these third party tools in conjunction with Lightwave, if that's what you need.

Look at Max. It would be dysfunctional if it wasn't for all the 3rd party tools. When you can combine tools like that it's a strength, not a weakness. Not many professional pipelines have only just one tool. It's the better software that can be mixed and matched with other products.

[opera]

hi,

hrgiger: I think you didn't understand what I meant ( maybe I have to write more lines to be understand)
I am using Lw since Amiga but I try to be an objective observer.

I agree there is a lot of talent customers (lscript, plugins, and so... ), there is some plugins for specifics needs and there is some for missing or incomplete fonctions in LW.
IFor me , it's not normal to have to go on Flay to update LW fonction than the developper website. ( the first place to update LW is Newtek.com) ... and it's not normal that some people can have update and some not ( I remember I have seen screenshot of special version given to some users but not all customers ( like 5.7 5.8 ... ) that's unfair ...

about Modo ? I don't understand your answer ... I don't see the connection. I just said that they was planning to leave NT since a long time and was not working anymore on LW. ( I know exactly what happend inside Nt and the LW team).That's why the layout get boosted with the version 8.0 (new team). the old team kept all the features request form Lw customers and implemented them in modo.

I am suprised about this overreaction.

beamtracer:

Of course , it's a bonus to use such plugin, that makes your software more powerfull. It's not what I meant. I have tried to say, those guys brings tools very powerfull, I was waiting that from LW team . do you understand me ? ie: Fprime: we got Viper in LW... Worley bring us Fprime (more impressive than LW native Viper) - I know there is some gaps in Fprime. but as I said, I was wainting that from Nt.
About Hypervoxel, it's a special case , cause it was an external technology. but if you look closely at the 8.0 update, most of the tools was integrations of free-scripts ( I have downloaded them from flay and found them as features).

I use Max, I think you can do a lot without plugins, the plugins you could nedd, are for specific needs (pyrocluster,vray,shag fur) (and yes there is scripspot.com for max like flay.com for lw). To explain I will give an exemple with "motion2path" fonction. I had to download "Motionpath+" because in motion plus from Dstorm you can choose the frames number, the video format, etc... and what makes me angry , it's some tools are not complete. and are corrected by users.


in general:

I am waiting for thoses updates to correct all mistakes left from the old team, and next step add features.

I think we will got robust update in the future ( I have posted in other forum and got positive answers). Nt had a bad period (old team period, that's why I am angry, I felt betrayed).

I got answer from developper who are users too. and the futur sounds good.

what I didn't like in this 8.2 announce, it's the delayed time. I agree it's better to wait to have a good tool, but I rather Nt to give no date !!! ... in the past, it was the same .... it was always delayed... ( it's the "dejà-vu" I don't like)

[PixelInfected]

ok, in Newtek decide to do a better work and delay a bit the release, it's ok.

it's a holyday period, please keep in peace.
develop a software is difficult and complex, if they decide to release mean is not good for release, attend a bit and i'm sure you are surprize from their work.

p.s. i also know that exist different release for customer and for other, but it's common, there are some reasons be cause exist beta tester, and common customer, i did in past beta tester for solidThinking, and i know that not every times is good to have beta, which must be polished before to release to customer, beta tester is a work, you must report every strange working, every problems, and try to build sample to replicate bug and more. beta tester are lucky people but are the people that you must be happy that exist people like beta tester and not envy them.

[ArtisticVisions]

..... And we're all still waiting..... :rolleyes:

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