messiah:render - tutorial THE BASICs

[Nando]

Julez4001 sweet

thx for the insight
:thumbsup:

[Suricate]

Great job, Julez ! :thumbsup: I myself come from a LW background as well and any help to understand how shading is done in messiah is appreciated.

One thing that you might add is that some entries form the shader properties are not in percent (i.e. in the 0.0 - 1.0 range) but in meters (e.g. a 'Bump' value of '1.0' equals 1 meter ) or in other dimensions (e.g. an 'Xtension amount' of 1.0 in the Basic Shader equals 90 degrees ).
Another thing that took me a while is that in the 'Transform' tab of the 'Texture_Map' node you can use 'Get Size' for autosizing the texture, though for some strange reason the xsize/ysize/zsize entries don't get updated in the display.

[Julez4001]

Always good point Suricate, i was trying to narrow those immediate and aloft things that may take some time to get to. Kinda though the Get size buttons was a given but I can see how that might get overlooked. The repeat function and such was changed during development of 2.0a so I made thata point.


You mind If I add the bump info is that from the manual......

[Suricate]

Yeah, the thing about the bump is in the docs. :)

Another tiny little thing that you might add (and confused a newbie like me) is that the opacity of a node is called 'Mix' in the 'Shader' tab of a material, but 'Opacity' everywhere else, I don't know why ... :shrug:

[Julez4001]

Updated tutorials again.

Add environment basics, very basic. But quick and to the point.

[Chewey]

Two thumbs up for your efforts!

[Julez4001]

Proofreading now. jeez! This is horrible. Bare with me.

[Julez4001]

Dang! I can't proofread for adding new content. Anyhow "Radiance and The basic shader Node" is up. Updates on the old pages too. Same link!

[Julez4001]

You can download the messiah render notes "as-is" in a PDF format from the first page.

[PauHana]

Excellent job on these! Messiah users have been in dire need of help from people like you and Gary. Thanks much!

[My Fault]

Thanks a heap for these Julez, very helpful! If I had 14 thumbs, they'd all be up :D

[Julez4001]

I updated it a little and added an M:animate info section. Just 1 out 3 but more is on the way.
The old stuff is updated too here and there. Link above.

[jbecana]

Thanks a lot.

Javier.

[Julez4001]

Working on the stuff thats on the front page and some more stuff.
With Chikega and my stuff, you guys got no excuses to crank out some fab art and animations so let see them. I will have a new image this week, all rendered in messiah if time is a willin'

Hey my page is on www.flay.com (http://www.flay.com/)

[jbecana]

You're right, no excuses now. I'm still looking my way in messiah, for different reasons I couldn't dedicate enough time to keep up to date with the software. Maybe this Christmas...btw, I also jumped in the zbrush boat (quite a different interface, but it's less frightening that I thought), so you can see that character stuff it's my main interest in 3D, but we've got to make a living too...
Keep it up,
Javier.

[Julez4001]

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=194471

Updated site
Added Poses! Its Video.

[Julez4001]

Having this discussion with other folks


When creating poses, you should think of them as part of your rig (instead of animation).
For hands, having the perfect ball fist would be great pose. Also unlike morphs, the animation would non-linear get to that position and have a nice smooth transition. Even muscle effect (spherize, bulge, bloat) objects can be moved to certain positions without having th eneed to write expression (course u would have to remember each time u get in a pose) But by making a muscle group separate from say the "hand" group, you can have a nice set of poses thats part of your rig.

[Julez4001]

Site back online. Same link.


How has the basics helped out?
Got too many hits and downloads for the quietness.
Like or dislike?

useful or not?

[Julez4001]

happy holidays..........

[Julez4001]

NEW STUFF

Created a PDF of Chris Reid Zbrush to Messiah (http://flarenova.com/Msx/Zbrush2Messiah.pdf) tutorial that he posted a while ago.
So with his permission, the PDF resides on the Tutorial Page.

Enjoy!

Same bat place, same bat time


http://flarenova.com/Msx/

[Leebre]

How has the basics helped out?
Got too many hits and downloads for the quietness.
Like or dislike?

useful or not? They have helped me out a great deal Julez4k1 and I really appreciate you spending the time creating them. Since I'm still a greenhorn with m:S2 I can't yet comment on how technically accurate they are...but they definitely ARE usefull!

[jbecana]

Sorry for being late, I really appreciate the time you spent on this. I think there is a huge gap between the docs and the practical use of the software, so anything you can do is very welcome. I've been devoting some time to learn zbrush and I can tell you that my progress is way faster because there are loads of tutorials about it. It's not a matter of just knowing all the interface buttons (even not all of them are described in the docs), but to see how people use them. I know it takes a long time to do it, but I miss more videos in messiah, and there have been quite a few in the last years. I'm not a devote of reverse engineering either, specially when things get really complex. I prefer to spend 30 mins. learning something specific that spending 2 hours looking at the content scenes, since from these 2 hours only 15 mins. are worth, and time is a big issue for me ( as anyone living with 3 children knows).

Let's make messiah the next zbrush revolution...
Merry christmas.

[Julez4001]

Emmmm

Maybe its time for new stuff.
Well bumping this up for newbies.

[Andreseloy]

I buyed recently Messiah and of course very new to the software... you tutorials are very clear and instructive!I incorporate your website in my Favorite Folder and most frequent use!
Thanks again
Andreseloy

[Julez4001]

Glad to hear they are helping you out.

I try to help when I can.

[Wireframes]

Glad to hear they are helping you out.

I try to help when I can.

help me too, thank you very much for sharing all of this :thumbsup:

Phil

[Andreseloy]

Julez4001 I was following the Chris Dispalcement Map tutorial and im doing something wrong but i dont know where is located the error, I cant make the Min Max shader active. I put two images related to my problem.
Thanks in advance
Andreseloy

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/821/displacementmapzbrushandmessia.jpg
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8316/minmax17ao.jpg

[AAAron]

Julez4001 I was following the Chris Dispalcement Map tutorial and im doing something wrong but i dont know where is located the error, I cant make the Min Max shader active. I put two images related to my problem.
Thanks in advance
Andreseloy

You have to activate the min max shader with the grey checkbox at the left next to the greyed out values for the A channel. :thumbsup:

BTW. you dont need to use the "min max node" no more in a render node setup like yours, since you can do that directly on the texture node with the remap function.

[Andreseloy]

Andreseloy:thumbsup:

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