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Tocpe
12-09-2004, 07:44 PM
>>Link (http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=135729&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=1&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1)<<

Walt Disney and its Buena Vista Home Entertainment division have thrown their support behind the Blu-Ray high-definition DVD format.

heavyness
12-09-2004, 08:14 PM
Disney also supported the Divx DVD format...

nothing against Blu-Ray, but besides Pixar, they haven't made any good decisions.

Spankspeople
12-09-2004, 08:18 PM
Wow. As much as I like to rag on Disney these days, if there's anyone who can give Blu-ray a boost it's them. So far I've seen the future market leaning more towards HD-DVD, and that has made me sad since Blu Ray seems to be the better of the two. Disney backing Blu Ray is good for the format, and hopefully it means that if it IS chosen as the new standard, we won't have something like the horrible Disney DVD compatibility issues.

opus13
12-09-2004, 09:24 PM
blu ray is good as a data storage medium, but it has as good of a chance for public acceptance as 'dcc' (digital compact cassette). blu-ray is incompatible with other disc formats.

hd-dvd is a stepping stone to HD content with full dvd compatibility. it doesnt hold as much capacity-wise, but you can slap a regular dvd in there without issue. people still use vhs on a regular basis... in general, the world just doesnt want a new video format, disney supported or not.

blu-ray should be marketed as a computer data medium. it has significantly better chance of surviving.

Ed Bittner
12-10-2004, 12:39 PM
I agree. With an HDTV with a dvi input, and a dvd player with a dvi out, one can get really close to a HD picture with current dvds. Go with data storage, the rest will follow.
E.

Tocpe
02-24-2005, 07:27 PM
Jim Hill gave a possible reason today for Disney backing the Blu-Ray format:

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/showarticle.php?ID=1317

(it's about 2/3 of the way down, but you'll need to read the whole article for it to make sense)

Beamtracer
02-24-2005, 08:36 PM
For movie distribution, the HD-DVD format makes much more sense than BluRay. HD-DVD is cheaper, the disks are cheaper to make, existing disc manufacturing equipment can be used (unlike BluRay).

Most of the other movie studios are backing HD-DVD for this reason (MGM-UA didn't, but they're owned by Sony).

For Disney to give its backing to BluRay, it can't be for technology reasons. There must be some backroom wheeling and dealing going on between Disney and Sony to cause this. BluRay will just increase their costs.

I'm not saying BluRay is a bad format. It has uses such as in-camera recording and data storage. But for movie distribution it just doesn't make sense.

PaulAdams
02-24-2005, 08:47 PM
I agree that HD-DVD seems to be more practicable than Blu-Ray, but hell, I just love the name Blu-Ray, and itís so much cooler. :D

t-toe
02-24-2005, 10:18 PM
yeah, I really think that HD-DVD's gonna get this one. Blu-Ray sounds like some cheesy underwater sci-fi show from the early 90's.

Gentle Fury
02-25-2005, 12:27 AM
Hmmm, this is interesting....could easily swing either way.....diz is a marketing monolith, and backing the BD format could be a step in the right direction........but, HD-DVD is Microsofts baby...using WMA HD as the primary encoder......thus I think it will probably swing more in that direction.

Can't they just come up with one standard involving both technologys??

Course what will probably happen.....

HD-DVD will fail in the states and be huge in japan (ala SVCD)

and Blu-Ray ewill become american standard.

Beamtracer
02-25-2005, 02:09 AM
HD-DVD is Microsofts baby...using WMA HD as the primary encoder......
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HD-DVD will fail in the states and be huge in japan (ala SVCD)

and Blu-Ray ewill become american standard.

HD-DVD is not "Microsoft's baby". Toshiba is the main force behind HD-DVD.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray use lots of codecs including Microsoft's Video Codec 1. However the codec of all codecs will be MPEG-4 AVC (Advanced video codec), previously known as H.264.

There is no other codec on earth that comes anywhere close to the quality and small file sizes as MPEG-4 AVC (H.264). If you ever want to compress a movie efficiently, nothing will do it better than this. It will be included on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

I agree that HD-DVD is likely to be the format of choice across Asia. Markets there are generally price sensitive, and Blu-ray players and discs would be far more expensive.

Renderman_XSI
02-25-2005, 03:01 AM
For movie distribution, the HD-DVD format makes much more sense than BluRay. HD-DVD is cheaper, the disks are cheaper to make, existing disc manufacturing equipment can be used (unlike BluRay).

Most of the other movie studios are backing HD-DVD for this reason (MGM-UA didn't, but they're owned by Sony).

For Disney to give its backing to BluRay, it can't be for technology reasons. There must be some backroom wheeling and dealing going on between Disney and Sony to cause this. BluRay will just increase their costs.

I'm not saying BluRay is a bad format. It has uses such as in-camera recording and data storage. But for movie distribution it just doesn't make sense.

Disney supporting Blu-Ray isnt new, i think its about a month old news :). Personally between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, i take Blu-Ray. Besides, PS3 support Blu-Ray, and you know its going to say like hot cakes ;). HP and Dell are also supporting Blu-Ray, yet another reason to buy a Blu-Ray burner when it comes out.

As for who is going to win this fight in the end, i got my money on Blu-Ray! :D

http://www.blu-ray.com/


" The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) surpassed a milestone today as its membership grew beyond 100 companies. "What's most remarkable about the growing support for Blu-ray is not just its sheer volume, but its breadth." said Brian Zucker of Dell Inc.'s Client Product Group. Established in October of last year, the BDA has rapidly gained the support of leaders from the computer, consumer electronics, video gaming, optical media, disc replication, authoring and content industries. All of these industries are critical to the successful development and launch of a high-definition optical format. Among the most recent companies to join the BDA are Toho Co., Ltd and Toei Video Company, Ltd., which are the two leading movie studios in Japan. Toho Co., Ltd. is a leading production house and distributor of movies in Japan. Toei Video is known for its production of movies, sales of DVDs as well as other packaged media. Toei Video generates a steady stream of release titles from its diversified parent company Toei Co., Ltd. that includes Japanese films, animation and independent films."

jake_$teed
02-25-2005, 03:31 AM
Disney also supported the Divx DVD format...


I leave a stinky fart every time I enter a Circuit City for that nonsense they tried to pull.

Geta-Ve
02-25-2005, 06:43 AM
arg.. hd-dvd blows, blu-ray is better in every technical aspect. sony has litterally THOUSANDS of their own movies to put it on, including huge hits like Spiderman 2..

just think you will be able to watch tmnt on your hddvd but when you want to watch spiderman 2 in all its glory you will be stuck with crapy dvd

(ok horrible comparison but :D)

blu-ray all the freakin WAY!

heney
02-25-2005, 05:45 PM
arg.. hd-dvd blows, blu-ray is better in every technical aspect. sony has litterally THOUSANDS of their own movies to put it on, including huge hits like Spiderman 2..

just think you will be able to watch tmnt on your hddvd but when you want to watch spiderman 2 in all its glory you will be stuck with crapy dvd

(ok horrible comparison but :D)

blu-ray all the freakin WAY!

Your forgetting all of the titles that will be on HD-DVD though like both the Lord of the Rings and Matrix trilogies. The absolute epitimy of Spectale when it comes to VFX will be on HD-DVD.

I was kind of rooting for Blu-Ray, that was until yesterday when I read about the HVD situation (read here (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/590/590428p1.html)) which is far superior to both new formats. This is getting complicated, I just want one side to win already. I want my films in HD now, I dont really care how, but I'm sick of waiting, and when the players come out, I want to buy one. I dont want to have to wait and see who wins, and I certainly dont want to buy a Blu-Ray player or an HD player only for it to be worthless in 5 years, because the other won the war.

Beamtracer
02-25-2005, 11:07 PM
We could find ourselves in a situation like the DVD-R versus DVD+R war, where there is no clear dominant format, and eventually manufacturers include both formats and pay royalties to both groups.

In the case of HD-DVD Vs Blu-ray, it will increase the costs much more to add Blu-ray functionality to a HD-DVD player.

Add to this, Pioneer is developing a disk with far greater capacity than Blu-ray.

Geta-Ve
02-26-2005, 12:27 AM
Your forgetting all of the titles that will be on HD-DVD though like both the Lord of the Rings and Matrix trilogies. The absolute epitimy of Spectale when it comes to VFX will be on HD-DVD.

I was kind of rooting for Blu-Ray, that was until yesterday when I read about the HVD situation (read here (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/590/590428p1.html)) which is far superior to both new formats. This is getting complicated, I just want one side to win already. I want my films in HD now, I dont really care how, but I'm sick of waiting, and when the players come out, I want to buy one. I dont want to have to wait and see who wins, and I certainly dont want to buy a Blu-Ray player or an HD player only for it to be worthless in 5 years, because the other won the war.

oy thats incredible!

you know what sux now though, im actually considering hd-dvd, for the sole reason that if I were to go blu ray i'd only have it for about 3 years till i end up switching to hvd...

and the good thing about HVD it is backwards compatible... you really cant beat that..

thanks for the link man :)

Lorecanth
02-26-2005, 02:53 AM
i find it interesting that everyone is totally ignoring the PS3... 30 million machines in the US is going to be hard to ignore when it comes to HD-DVD. As far as compatibility...you know that once the tide starts swinging one way or the other, any studio that doesn't have hardware ties will go with what the market wants. So warner brothers probably won't be going exlusivly with HD-DVD. Where as sony can make the commitment to the new format and say we'll only release our movies on blu-ray becasue they'll have those 30 million PS3's sitting in everyone's home.

Geta-Ve
02-26-2005, 06:23 PM
i find it interesting that everyone is totally ignoring the PS3... 30 million machines in the US is going to be hard to ignore when it comes to HD-DVD. As far as compatibility...you know that once the tide starts swinging one way or the other, any studio that doesn't have hardware ties will go with what the market wants. So warner brothers probably won't be going exlusivly with HD-DVD. Where as sony can make the commitment to the new format and say we'll only release our movies on blu-ray becasue they'll have those 30 million PS3's sitting in everyone's home.

Not ignoring it, in fact that was one of the main reasons I was choosing blu-ray, but with this HVD I thing I will just buy the games.. and then get hd-dvd and wait for HVD..

makes sense to me..however the average consumer wont really know about HVD.. so we will see.

Beamtracer
02-26-2005, 11:39 PM
i find it interesting that everyone is totally ignoring the PS3... 30 million machines in the US is going to be hard to ignore when it comes to HD-DVD. As far as compatibility...you know that once the tide starts swinging one way or the other, any studio that doesn't have hardware ties will go with what the market wants.
Sony is quite powerful at getting its new formats accepted. But owning content doesn't always guarantee format success.

Sony owns music companies (they bought CBS Records, now Sony Music) but Sony's music hardware has been a flop. Look at minidisc. Look at the Sony digital Walkman. Big flops.

For file storage, we all want discs with a greater capacity than the current DVD-/+R formats. Blu-ray may be nice, but we also don't want to pay enormous amounts for blank disks. We don't want to pay 10x more for hardware.

For movie distribution, what will Blu-ray bring that HD-DVD doesn't offer? Both formats will be able to display movies in full HD resolution. Blu-ray will just make the disks more expensive. It'll also be very expensive to purchase a Blu-ray player for the home.

SpiralFace
02-27-2005, 12:06 AM
Ask anyone in the marketing or video industry and you'll see that Disney supporting Blue-ray is completely irelevant to what the next format is. The one industry that decides everything as far as at home video entertainment formats are is the Porn industry. Where ever the **** goes, the rest will follow. And becuase they have'nt backed iether one yet, the market is still trying to find the next format. I personaly think that HD-DVD seems to be the best choice simply for the Backwards compatability. I mean seriously, who wants to re-collect their entire movie collection.

heney
02-27-2005, 12:46 AM
i find it interesting that everyone is totally ignoring the PS3... 30 million machines in the US is going to be hard to ignore when it comes to HD-DVD. As far as compatibility...you know that once the tide starts swinging one way or the other, any studio that doesn't have hardware ties will go with what the market wants. So warner brothers probably won't be going exlusivly with HD-DVD. Where as sony can make the commitment to the new format and say we'll only release our movies on blu-ray becasue they'll have those 30 million PS3's sitting in everyone's home.

See I dont see PS3 as that big of a deal this time around. PS2 is far inferior to both the XBox and Gamecube. The only reason it did so well was because no one knew that it sucked, up until the Xbox and Cube came out. This time around they wont have that first to launch liberty. The Xbox2 is coming out first and then most likely the Nintendo Revolution, followed by PS3. And yes I've heard all the rumors about what PS3 can do, and all about its hardware, but honestly I've heard all that before from Sony and last time, with the PS2, they really let everyone down. If they didnt have the 3rd party support the PS2 would never have even come close to holding its own against the Box and the Cube. Therefore I honestly dont think PS3 will weigh into the equation all that much, I guess we'll have to see first hand at E3 though.

Geta-Ve
02-27-2005, 02:24 AM
See I dont see PS3 as that big of a deal this time around. PS2 is far inferior to both the XBox and Gamecube. The only reason it did so well was because no one knew that it sucked, up until the Xbox and Cube came out. This time around they wont have that first to launch liberty. The Xbox2 is coming out first and then most likely the Nintendo Revolution, followed by PS3. And yes I've heard all the rumors about what PS3 can do, and all about its hardware, but honestly I've heard all that before from Sony and last time, with the PS2, they really let everyone down. If they didnt have the 3rd party support the PS2 would never have even come close to holding its own against the Box and the Cube. Therefore I honestly dont think PS3 will weigh into the equation all that much, I guess we'll have to see first hand at E3 though.

Man.. thats... Well I dunno what that is.. So tell me, why is it the ps2 is STILL rockin xb and gc's asses? i mean really if it is so inferior? You would have thought everyone would have flocked over the the "better" systems.. Oh wait, ps3 has amazing freaking games. and the best controller (imo) I swear to god, if anyone even tries to tell me the gc controller is better... oh man.. lol

Seriously compared the the PS2 xb and gc hardly has any good games.. (i said compared) because you can literally stand in front of the PS2 section in EB with your eyes close and pick up a great game (most likely) Gimme a racing game that comes ANYWHERE the quality of GT4 and ill go throw out my ps2, heck ill even throw out my computer while im at it.

Dont get me wrong, gc and xb have a good amount of good games, but the PS2 percentage far out weighs the xb. How often do you hear of an xb game that everyone wants? very few.. especially compared to what the ps2 pumps out.

Sure the system has problems out the wazoo but the hasnt stopped good/great/amazing/incredible games from coming out.

Im willing to bet any amount of money the ps3 is going to rock your co....world! :D

But seriously, nintendo is dying and xb is associated with MS, Sony has style and the money, and the ip's to back it up *hopes he used ip correctly* :p

bah! ps3 rocks my co...grr.. WORLD!

edit: oh and the fact the ps3 is using BR (50 to 100gb disks) as opposed to whatever crap ms and nintendo are using.. I highly doubt their disks will come close to 50 to 100 gb.. :/

SpiralFace
02-27-2005, 02:56 AM
Man.. thats... Well I dunno what that is.. So tell me, why is it the ps2 is STILL rockin xb and gc's asses? i mean really if it is so inferior? You would have thought everyone would have flocked over the the "better" systems.. Oh wait, ps3 has amazing freaking games. and the best controller (imo) I swear to god, if anyone even tries to tell me the gc controller is better... oh man.. lol

Seriously compared the the PS2 xb and gc hardly has any good games.. (i said compared) because you can literally stand in front of the PS2 section in EB with your eyes close and pick up a great game (most likely) Gimme a racing game that comes ANYWHERE the quality of GT4 and ill go throw out my ps2, heck ill even throw out my computer while im at it.

Dont get me wrong, gc and xb have a good amount of good games, but the PS2 percentage far out weighs the xb. How often do you hear of an xb game that everyone wants? very few.. especially compared to what the ps2 pumps out.

Sure the system has problems out the wazoo but the hasnt stopped good/great/amazing/incredible games from coming out.

Im willing to bet any amount of money the ps3 is going to rock your co....world! :D

But seriously, nintendo is dying and xb is associated with MS, Sony has style and the money, and the ip's to back it up *hopes he used ip correctly* :p

bah! ps3 rocks my co...grr.. WORLD!

edit: oh and the fact the ps3 is using BR (50 to 100gb disks) as opposed to whatever crap ms and nintendo are using.. I highly doubt their disks will come close to 50 to 100 gb.. :/

wow, I've never seen so much sony propaganda in one place since the last issue of Playstation magazine, let me take a moment to catch my breath and come back to reality......

Ok the moment is done.
Now I will whole heartedly agree with you on the fact that the system was strongest this generation because of the 3rd party support. But that right there is why many people are'nt careing so much about the PS3. Becuase it was the games that made the PS2, not the system which was an overpriced peice of garbage. And as of yet, there has been no official anouncements on what companys will be makeing what games on what system. My guess is its just going to be just like all other typical sony PS2 games where all they are are just sequils to earlyer sucessful licences from back in the 16 bit era. Seriously, assides from Rachet and Clank, Jak & Daxter, and MABE Killzone, what other GOOD original licences have they come up with for the PS2 that are'nt just sequils of games that found their roots in iether the PS1 or SNES days. And also, who cares if the disks can hold 50-100 gigs of memory? Its not like the system NEEDS that much content, let alone run it. If developers actualy took the time to fill up that much in-game content, the games whould take 3-4 years to develop and with a higher price tag. So I doubt you whould want to pay 100 bucks per game to get that much more content. Just because the potential is their does'nt mean developers have the time or budget to fill each of those disks to the brim with content.

And nintendo dieing??? They where the most profitable system developer this generation. They did'nt invest millions of dollars into starting an online network, they where the only game company that actualy made a profit with their systems that where already half the cost of both the PS2's and the Xbox's, and they have the strongest first party licences of ANY game company in existance. And Microsoft made ALOT more money and sold ALOT more systems then sony ever did when they broke into the market with the PS, and they have also been able to develop some first and second party microsoft games licences that in a generation became so strong that Halo 2 broke all records for games this generation. AND X-box Live is eon's ahead of Sony's online services. Who cares if its microsoft, at least Microsoft gives you a quality system for the same price point of a PS2, and at least their system lazers don't die out after the warrenty expires. Microsoft might be evil because there just microsoft, but at least they treat their consumers to high quality products, sony just takes you for a ride and expects you to shell out big bucks for a sub-par system that will always break down on you after a set durration. Both the other companys are sitting pretty and don't care about what Sony does. I don't care about any of these systems simply becuae I've been around the industry long enough to know that the game developers make a system sucessful, not the system itself. And just becuase Sony had the developers last generation does'nt mean they'll keep them this comming generation.

Geta-Ve
02-27-2005, 05:44 AM
before i read the rest of your post just wanted to officially say (as you already guessed im sure) I have no clue if nintendo is infact dying :p

and now I have to say that was the most painful post to read.. gotta split up your sentences man :p

Anyways, are you sure about xb selling more the PS? sounds a bit iffy to me.

and 50-100 gigs is easy enough to fill, alot of it can be uncompressed textures/normal maps/ better anims/etc so I think your arguement there is not really valid..high polygon models.. blah blah blah.. you know..

And, I think almost all of the game devs for the PS2 will be back for the PS3.. because alot of them have big followings on the PS. its just like you would never expect kotor creators to just switch over to the ps3 for kotor 3 if it happens.. their fans are in the xb.

other than that, your nintendo rant was probably spot on :p

good stuff, horrid read.

EDIT: as for original titles, Amplitude, Onimusha, red faction (iffy) and a whole lot more.. :p

Renderman_XSI
02-27-2005, 08:15 PM
Your forgetting all of the titles that will be on HD-DVD though like both the Lord of the Rings and Matrix trilogies. The absolute epitimy of Spectale when it comes to VFX will be on HD-DVD.

I was kind of rooting for Blu-Ray, that was until yesterday when I read about the HVD situation (read here (http://dvd.ign.com/articles/590/590428p1.html)) which is far superior to both new formats. This is getting complicated, I just want one side to win already. I want my films in HD now, I dont really care how, but I'm sick of waiting, and when the players come out, I want to buy one. I dont want to have to wait and see who wins, and I certainly dont want to buy a Blu-Ray player or an HD player only for it to be worthless in 5 years, because the other won the war.

Having DVD player in PS2 was a good seliing point, Likewise with Blu-Ray. Why put up with HD-DVD when it wouldnt be any good in terms of storage in 3 years time? Blu-Ray can scale better and well last for at least 5 years until we need more storage, this is where HVD comes into play. Sony is actually working on HVD with Optware, on the hardware side of things. im sure when the time is right i'll be introducing HVD in sony brand, but for consumers electronics now and 5 years from now, do you think we really need 1 TB of storage space on a single disk? So HVD is a moot point. Thats where IMO Blu-Ray fits best. I dont quote me on it, since i vaguely remember the numbers, Blu-Ray can scale up to 100 GB - 200 GB , i think thats more than enough data storage needs for CE products for the next 5 years ;). IMO HD-DVD is a half "ass" implementation.

HVD wont be out on the market until 2007 earliest, but at a high price, most people probably wont be able to afford it. So maybe a mass market pentration at 2009 would be more modest. Blu-Ray products well be out this year , if you scale that to 200 GB after 5 years(2010) than HVD would be affordable by everyone and their momma+ dog, and Blu-Ray a thing of the past, not literally.

I just hope, either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray wins, i dont wanna put up with having dual standards..come on Blu-ray!!! And no Disney joining the Blur assoication isnt important it just adds another supporter for the format. on another note, from one article i was reading , i dont remember where online. stated the the color, contrast,etc on Blu-Ray seems to be noticable superior when compared to the same animated film running on the HD-DVD disc. :)

Who knows maybe in short future, there might be working on something better than HVD, but than again thats a moot point also ;)

the reason Nintendo and Microsoft is losing in this console war(money wise), is because they dont have the kind of third party support like Sony. Regardless of what people, think its the third party developers that push out the most games, hence having more of them is always a good thing for any console, regardless of which system is superior or inferior. More third party developer= more game selection(quality is another issue all together), which laids to more console sales. because in the end, its all about the games. So whoever controls the most third party is the winner.

You can argue with me on that logic ontop, unto you turn blue in the face..but thats the reality of the life.

linen_umbrella
03-01-2005, 07:49 AM
I leave a stinky fart every time I enter a Circuit City for that nonsense they tried to pull.

Haha- ditto.

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