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daart
12-08-2004, 06:31 PM
Take a look at the first miss digital world election that
happend some days ago started by an italian initiative...

www.missdigitalworld.com

niki
12-08-2004, 06:39 PM
ohhh puuuuuuh-leeeeeeeeeeeeezeee ... is that the most beautiful digital girl in the world ???

visionmaster2
12-08-2004, 07:43 PM
http://www.missdigitalworld.com/MDWContest_file/null.gifHere is Miss Digital World 2004 : Katty ko, designed by Flavio Parra from Chile! Been voted by our online jury, Katty ko is the contemporary icon of virtual beauty

http://www.missdigitalworld.com/MDWContest_file/katty/1.jpg

is it a joke ???
que fait madame de Fontenay ? :)

kex
12-08-2004, 07:48 PM
i dont think so in comparision to the rest of miss's on that page let alone every other page on the net.

the site looks like just self promotion to me aka a complete fake ola site

thier no links either to the other pieces on the site ; and oh yeah that model has an evil grin lol

harlan_hill
12-08-2004, 07:54 PM
Oh, you've got to be kidding me!!! That girl is awful in comparison to most of the other girls posted here (or even on the missdigitalworld site for that matter). I don't mean in terms of "beauty" either - it's just not a quality image/model.

Oh my god, wait, I just responded to a thread about a "digital" beauty contest. Sheeesh... where did it all go wrong? ;)

PiledotNET
12-08-2004, 08:01 PM
On the 1st Jannuary the search for the new Miss Digital World starts again!. There will be new models and many news in the 2005 edition. From the 20th of December onwards please have a look at the new regulation.

I'm going to submit this job, what do you think guys?

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005.GIF

koroko
12-08-2004, 08:02 PM
Here is Miss Digital World 2004 ...then the digital World is far far smaller than i thought...

seriously, i´ve even seen on tv (here in spain) some echoes of that winning image, absolutly ridiculous...

Ppl behind that grothesque thing ( the miss digital thing), should be put on its knees and whiplashed till they apologize for such thing...


ciao.

BigLarry
12-08-2004, 08:08 PM
That's a prime example of what happens when Poser get's into the wrong hands :D

BL

Ithilien
12-08-2004, 08:11 PM
Oh my goodness.

Any one of Steven Stahlberg's images could have whipped the pants off Katty Ko's polygon-ridden ass! :)

caco
12-08-2004, 08:51 PM
I'm going to submit this job, what do you think guys?

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005.GIF
Dude!!! She's hot!!! Can you please post a wireframe??? Thanks.

CaCo

harlan_hill
12-08-2004, 08:53 PM
I'm going to submit this job, what do you think guys?

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005.GIF

That hair simulation had to be killer to compute. ;)

puch
12-08-2004, 08:56 PM
There is an othe digital beauty pageant here:

http://www.3dm-mc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4581

Hopefully is going to get better entries!

KolbyJukes
12-08-2004, 08:59 PM
that ugly creature beat out Alceu Baptistao's Kaya model...

wtf.

-K.

harlan_hill
12-08-2004, 09:00 PM
Every girl in that link is 100x better than that Katy Ko image.

jeremybirn
12-08-2004, 09:08 PM
Oh well. I guess the jury likes half-baked poser models better than high quality work. From now on, everybody remember not to enter that contest or post links to it, and it will be forgotten.

-jeremy

paintbox
12-08-2004, 09:16 PM
Hmmm....maybe time for a CgNetwork most beautiful monster contest ? :D

PiledotNET
12-08-2004, 09:29 PM
Dude!!! She's hot!!! Can you please post a wireframe??? Thanks.

CaCo

No problem dude:

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005wire.GIF

Some information:

Package: Microsoft Paint.
Concept: Me. There´s some poles and 5 side polygons I need to fix.
Copyright: Dale Williams

Waiting for your submitions guys!

BigLarry
12-08-2004, 09:35 PM
Can't wait to see it rigged! :D

DaKrunch
12-08-2004, 09:37 PM
it could have become a serious and cool world-wide contest...

Because of its organizator's (Franz Cerami) boldness - and I tell you, he was VERY bold when i interviewed him - he was mainly interested in media diffusion and in advertising the contest :deal:.

He refused many partnerships with cg professional communities (as he said, including cgtalk).

"Now, everybody can admire the most beautiful digital girl on the world"... man... you can't be serious.

Just look at the other entries... you may find pre-made models, downloaded from the net and slightly changed here and there.

Now... let's hope next years things will change! I like to be optimist :thumbsup: since the basic idea stays cool.

rendermania
12-08-2004, 09:39 PM
My god she's gorgeous... but dude, fix those edgeloops. Otherwise she won't animate well. :applause:

Lord Pyro
12-08-2004, 09:45 PM
No problem dude:

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005wire.GIF

Some information:

Package: Microsoft Paint.
Concept: Me. There´s some poles and 5 side polygons I need to fix.
Copyright: Dale Williams

Waiting for your submitions guys!
:thumbsup: I wish i had that talent! man where did you get those plugins for paint to help with the modelling. Comon man share those skills. This is a winner for sure :D

MikeNash
12-08-2004, 09:48 PM
Maybe they paid them a bribe ?? haha
Geez, what the hell do we think is good looking now ?
She must have good personality or something lol

Andyman
12-08-2004, 09:58 PM
PiledotNET (member.php?u=18930), that just makes me laugh... lol.

Dennik
12-08-2004, 10:09 PM
I guess the competition rules are as follows:

1) Everyone may compete with their own handmade model. (Suckers!)
2) Only Poser models are eligible for winning. http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/twisted.gif

Pedrotheartist
12-08-2004, 10:14 PM
Comedy award goes to PiledotNET!!

The wireframe model killed me...

UrbanFuturistic
12-08-2004, 10:55 PM
Also, is this thumbnail http://www.missdigitalworld.com/MDWContest_file/dawn_80x100041126172351.jpg in any way actually connected with Andrew Humber? I'm just suspicious due to the slight point of it being one of nVidia's main promotional pieces for the GeForceFX 5xxx line of cards (that and I have no idea who actually did this, Andrew, if you did do this, sorry).

Honestly, it's even more contrived than the live Miss World contest.

regards, Paul

KevinKraeer
12-08-2004, 11:08 PM
Also, is this thumbnail http://www.missdigitalworld.com/MDWContest_file/dawn_80x100041126172351.jpg in any way actually connected with Andrew Humber? I'm just suspicious due to the slight point of it being one of nVidia's main promotional pieces for the GeForceFX 5xxx line of cards (that and I have no idea who actually did this, Andrew, if you did do this, sorry).

Honestly, it's even more contrived than the live Miss World contest.

regards, Paul
Ah Christ. Here we go...

jeremybirn
12-08-2004, 11:31 PM
Dawn was done by Steven Giesler:

http://www.stevengiesler.com/

Maybe someone dalewilliamsd him?

-jeremy

KevinKraeer
12-08-2004, 11:39 PM
And so, another fun and lighthearted thread is struck down in the prime of its life. Sad really.

Fly3D
12-08-2004, 11:53 PM
Also, is this thumbnail in any way actually connected with Andrew Humber?
Andrew Humber is the European PR Manager for nVidia. He used to work for 3DFX.

Dennik
12-08-2004, 11:54 PM
Dawn was done by Steven Giesler:

http://www.stevengiesler.com/

Maybe someone dalewilliamsd him?

-jeremy
Jeremy you should copyright the "dalewilliamsd" word, or someone might Dalewilliamsd it from ya. :D

Lord Pyro
12-09-2004, 12:00 AM
And so, another fun and lighthearted thread is struck down in the prime of its life. Sad really.
how did this thread turn out like this? it was so fun before:sad:

JTD
12-09-2004, 12:05 AM
Let me bring it back by saying I’ll take Dr. Aki Ross from Final Fantasy The Spirits Within any day over Katty Ko.

DDS
12-09-2004, 12:25 AM
Will Dr. Cid from Final Fantasy: The spirits within be Miss Virtual World 2005? http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

Grugi
12-09-2004, 12:25 AM
Here we go .. my entry :P

Killer work you have there PiledotNET !

http://www.grugi.com/hot_cg_chick.jpg

have fun ;)

marc001
12-09-2004, 02:59 AM
Maybe the guy who posted that winning model got to vote many times. Smells like voter fraud.

tjabba
12-09-2004, 04:47 AM
if they're not posting any statistics of the voting, how do we know the overall vote count wasn't so low that one artist could simply email all his friends 'please vote for me' and win? I doubt it was in the thousands even.
Also, the earlier you submitted, meaning the less work you put into it (Poser anyone?), the longer your entry was posted and votable and so the bigger the chance of winning.
No fraud, just friggin MORONS in charge. :banghead:

danydrunk
12-09-2004, 05:00 AM
we should make our own cgtalk miss world beuty.

Anyway I made mine, I know she is not perfect but what she lacks in beuty she compensates it with intelligence.

http://cancun-condorentals.com/missdigital.jpg

Poisen
12-09-2004, 08:21 AM
Wow, PiledotNET!, you should make a DVD!

seren933
12-09-2004, 08:28 AM
Speechless. The world is getting insane~:rolleyes: :twisted:

phexitol
12-09-2004, 08:48 AM
There is an othe digital beauty pageant here:

http://www.3dm-mc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4581

Hopefully is going to get better entries!
Unfortunately, it has already been invaded by a few Poser pics. Still, this one has many more ORIGINAL models, most of them fantastic-looking.

Back to the MDW contest: although there is no way to check now, since the rules have conveniently vanished from the site, I believe that there was actually a section stipulating that the author had to have copyright of the mesh they were entering. Of course, there's no way to tell now, since the rules have conveniently been taken down. Everyone, please remember this crap, and next year make sure that people are aware of the fact that there is no credibility to this contest.

marc001
12-09-2004, 09:08 AM
Everyone, please remember this crap, and next year make sure that people are aware of the fact that there is no credibility to this contest.
Kind of like Pro-Wrestling.
Both are rigged.

PiledotNET
12-09-2004, 09:20 AM
hahaha rig/animate? Who do you thing I am? Dale Williams!?!? :p

Great submit guys! I forgot the lensflares, it's so.. futuristic!! :buttrock:

Ollarin
12-09-2004, 09:29 AM
Great submit guys! I forgot the lensflares, it's so.. futuristic!!
Remember, place the flare right on the forehead. So most of the face is flared out.

Hahhaha! OMG this is really hillarious. How can Poser models even be eligible for entry?

Lunatique
12-09-2004, 09:56 AM
I almost put a fist through my monitor when I saw what they picked as the winner. This is not to put down the person who submitted that entry, but c'mon, the judges have no taste and no knowledge about any of the relevant issues regarding such a contest. What a joke.

But one thing does irritate me a bit though. All of the people complaining about it--why haven't more people submitted entires? They had a pathetic few number of entries, and if all the top talents at cgtalk submitted, things might have turned out differently?

Ithilien
12-09-2004, 10:07 AM
I think this is the most absurd and ridiculous contest ever. The judges have proven that they have absolutely no taste whatsoever.

NVIDIA's Dawn was entered, so was Kaya by Alceu Baptistao.

Sorry but any of the two above were technically and artistically much better executed than Katty Ko.

Very disappointing, and what an insult to the artists that actually took the contest seriously!

baby
12-09-2004, 10:14 AM
I think everybody should do it...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi...

I just wanted to know if this was a big joke ?!?!? or if it was a serious contest ?

I think it's quite insulting for the contestant that really show beauty trought their 3D model.

I respect the winner work, he might get better with some exercices....but I just think this is unfair and becoming pretty ridiculous in the CG community.

regards.

Charles B.

Stimpy
12-09-2004, 10:31 AM
How can Poser models even be eligible for entry?

the fact that theres a huge ad for the "miss digital world" design kit for poser should be enough of a clue what this contest is/was all about. and why this foxy kitten won.

Ollarin
12-09-2004, 10:52 AM
the fact that theres a huge ad for the "miss digital world" design kit for poser should be enough of a clue what this contest is/was all about. and why this foxy kitten won.
Ahhh...I missed that. Well. There we have it. It was rigged. :deal:

firestar3d
12-09-2004, 10:54 AM
Me and some of the guys were discussing this very contest over at another CG forum. I think the fact that I personally never heard of MDW until the winner was announced is all the evidence needed for reasons why some excellent modellers and character designers never entered the thing in the first place, and while I'm not even a good character modeller, I would never submit something of such low quality for a contest!

Maybe here... So you guys could tell me what I need to fix... But not on a contest!

I mean, I'm not blind to CG events (I've known about many of the contests happening over the last 6 months, including Machineflesh and the Space Opera), but this one just came out of the blue and with a winner?!! To everyone who says this was likely rigged as an advertising stunt, I think I have to agree with you.

Mattoo
12-09-2004, 11:58 AM
The contest has been advertised for over a year. Interestingly they had no connection to Poser until the winner was announced....

It's an absurd fix, I'm honestly stunned by how blatant and obvious it is.

Stahlberg
12-09-2004, 03:13 PM
Yes, it's been widely advertised since a year, even made it to BBC a week before the deadline. Wonder if BBC will do a follow up now? :)

why haven't more people submitted entires? Well, for one thing they made submission absurdly and unnecessarily difficult. You had to submit a catwalk animation which had to be in 3 different exact formats (on tape!), a certain amount of images in exact formats and sizes, sign a long form, send along signed printouts, photo of yourself, copy of passport etc etc... and you had to own all rights to the character yourself. (Wihch I thought should have disqualified the Nvidia fairy, but whatever.)

And there's the time thing. I was seriously thinking about entering, decided to wait to be able to make use of latest tweaks and software versions etc. Then I got too busy.

CarlCampbell
12-09-2004, 04:37 PM
Thats really a shame, Steve because I'm sure that an entry from you would've taken the contest by storm! Not trying to sound like a fanboy but c'mon! Just look at the winning model (among others)! The jeans are textured ONTO the body mesh, YUK!

Dennik
12-09-2004, 05:15 PM
I realy doubt this contest is serious. They should have cut at least 70% of the models submitted, because they are UGLY.
I didn't search the site, but it seems these guys are in favor of poser models, can't explain their bad taste otherwise.
It surprised me a lot to see a model by Rene Morel there.

???
12-09-2004, 07:13 PM
Check it out:

http://files.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_on_3_23_2004_18_18_56/head12-01.jpg458f6c3e-31fd-4dde-9cdf-0c1a61d138c1Large.jpg

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227734/Action/FullPreview

Tocpe
12-09-2004, 07:49 PM
Check it out:

http://files.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_on_3_23_2004_18_18_56/head12-01.jpg458f6c3e-31fd-4dde-9cdf-0c1a61d138c1Large.jpg

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227734/Action/FullPreview

*barfs all over his monitor*

You gotta be freakin' kidding me. And he's selling it for *only* $200. I guess TurboSquid really doesn't monitor what's being sold on their site.

???
12-09-2004, 08:05 PM
And worst of all, he texture it with love ! :love:

Pixelmaestro
12-10-2004, 05:13 PM
Very Scary!

CNN FN Television had a short story on the contest and the winner this morning. December 10, 2004.

I almost projectile vomited my breakfast!

mummey
12-10-2004, 06:39 PM
I like Deathfall's Reaction:

http://www.deathfall.com/article.php?sid=4578

tjabba
12-11-2004, 02:17 AM
CNN FN Television had a short story on the contest and the winner this morning
How did they angle the story?

Deathfall link: Yikes! 17000 votes? Fraud has just been proven.

baby
12-14-2004, 04:35 PM
I must admit, the answer is very open, and correct...
in regard of my mail who was not very very nice.
In fact, I think I was not expecting any answer.

Even if I don't like the choice...I respect the answer... I post it here to have everybody opinion, which means also the person who organise the contest. as so many bad things were say.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Charles,
as you know this year the jury was made by on line surfers and they decided
to vote more katty ko. You and me can have different opinion but this
edition had this rule.
we are studying new rules for the 2005 miss digital world and if you have
any suggestion I will be very interested in it.
I have to say that I found, aniway, very interesting the result. I don't
want that the cg community remain a little and close island in thwe world.
miss digital world gave a big service to this community in terms of
visibility. and the public said something interesting too. they appreciated
more a simple, in terms of tech, model with a story instead of better models
in terms of tech. this is something to work on if cg artist want that their
models/actress comunucate to the world.
thank you for the collaboration
Bye, Franz Cerami

Tirjasdyn
12-14-2004, 06:13 PM
Wow, you people are nuts.

The vote was open, that means you could have voted.
The model doesn't look that bad. It seem the only reason your dissing it is because it was a morphed poser model.

You should have A:
submited

B: voted

trthing
12-14-2004, 07:04 PM
*barfs all over his monitor*

You gotta be freakin' kidding me. And he's selling it for *only* $200. I guess TurboSquid really doesn't monitor what's being sold on their site.
If you feel it is too expensive you could go for the US$ 175 head instead and texture it yourself....

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227620/Action/FullPreview (http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227620/Action/FullPreview)


:scream:

StephanD
12-14-2004, 07:25 PM
I personally didn't know it was poser and still didn't think it was any worldwide contest winning material...At all.

Most of us should've entered I guess but what was the price anyways?A source code of the MakeModel function? :D

Tirjasdyn
12-15-2004, 04:18 PM
I personally didn't know it was poser and still didn't think it was any worldwide contest winning material...At all.

Most of us should've entered I guess but what was the price anyways?A source code of the MakeModel function? :D
The prize: $5000.00

BoydLake
12-16-2004, 04:15 AM
I know for a fact that Bloodrayne image belongs to Todd Sheridan of Glyphx... and that image is also in Expose 2. ... and it's also a painting, not a 3d model, so no animation could have been submitted for that entry. What a sham of a contest!

Tirjasdyn
12-16-2004, 05:58 PM
I know for a fact that Bloodrayne image belongs to Todd Sheridan of Glyphx... and that image is also in Expose 2. ... and it's also a painting, not a 3d model, so no animation could have been submitted for that entry. What a sham of a contest!
Why...it's miss digital world not miss 3d world. A 2d digital animation could have been provided.

gmask
12-16-2004, 06:39 PM
There is something very very very wrong with this "contest"

superlayer
12-16-2004, 06:57 PM
A very disappointing contest. :(

BoydLake
12-16-2004, 07:19 PM
Why...it's miss digital world not miss 3d world. A 2d digital animation could have been provided.Quoted from the contest rules page:

"Miss Digital World, the first ever virtual beauty contest, strictly for the most beautiful and intriguing virtual models made using the most advanced 3D graphics tools..."

That suggests 3d models, not photoshop paintings. But more to the point, the image does not belong to the artist which submitted the work, and the character portrayed is owned by Majesco, not the author. Those are facts that can be easily verified.

DDS
12-16-2004, 07:40 PM
I must admit, the answer is very open, and correct...
in regard of my mail who was not very very nice.
In fact, I think I was not expecting any answer.

Even if I don't like the choice...I respect the answer... I post it here to have everybody opinion, which means also the person who organise the contest. as so many bad things were say.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Charles,
as you know this year the jury was made by on line surfers and they decided
to vote more katty ko. You and me can have different opinion but this
edition had this rule.
we are studying new rules for the 2005 miss digital world and if you have
any suggestion I will be very interested in it.
I have to say that I found, aniway, very interesting the result. I don't
want that the cg community remain a little and close island in thwe world.
miss digital world gave a big service to this community in terms of
visibility. and the public said something interesting too. they appreciated
more a simple, in terms of tech, model with a story instead of better models
in terms of tech. this is something to work on if cg artist want that their
models/actress comunucate to the world.
thank you for the collaboration
Bye, Franz Cerami

I think you did the correct baby. All of us had to do it instead of complaining without trying to change it.

:thumbsup:

Breinmeester
12-16-2004, 07:48 PM
If you feel it is too expensive you could go for the US$ 175 head instead and texture it yourself....

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227620/Action/FullPreview (http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/227620/Action/FullPreview)


:scream:
Lol! Funniest thing I saw today!!:D

Don't care about the stupid contest...

tjabba
12-16-2004, 11:58 PM
You would care if you'd believed the hype at the beginning and entered a model...

as you know this year the jury was made by on line surfers and they decided
to vote more katty ko. You and me can have different opinion but this
edition had this rule.
Lame excuse. 1. It shouldn't have been public voting, 2. they changed their minds halfway through the submission period on this matter, originally supposed to be a jury, 3. if you have to have public voting you need a MUCH better system of presenting and picking the candidates.

we are studying new rules for the 2005 miss digital world and if you have
any suggestion I will be very interested in it.
A child could see how to make massive improvements in this fiasco. This sentence is a smokescreen, they're perfectly aware of how to improve it, time will show if they have any intentions of doing so.

edit:
And when it comes to this whole "17,000 votes" business... if you add up the votes for the THREE most voted artists on this chart on raph.com
http://raph.com/3dartists/artgallery/ag-r.html
(the first and biggest gallery site in the world) you might reach a similar amount - and surfers have been voting for them for SIX or SEVEN YEARS.
And MDW tries to tell us 1 single Poser artist got that much in 6 months? Please. What actually happened is probably: the winner got an embarrassing low amount of votes, I'd estimate around 1000 or even less, and they decided to inflate the number to make the contest seem more important and less easy to influence.

RelaxoRy
12-17-2004, 01:57 AM
eahaeheaheah ae AEAEHEAHaehaeh aehaehaeh e!!

I'm going to submit this job, what do you think guys?

http://www.redpixel.com.br/forumajuda/missd2005.GIF

mikecarry
12-17-2004, 07:47 AM
Nvidia's Dawn should have won. She reminds me of my wife, minus the wings. And I don't think my wife would ever wear that leafy outfit.

daraand
12-19-2004, 05:01 AM
There was a recent WIRED article on the contest. To any of you who own Elemental, you'll recognize the cover girl from DISCREET as one the contestants. Personally I felt that model was brilliant and would have voted for it. And of course theres always the idea: omg computers are replacing humans, and the whole (al pacino was it?) movie based on a computer model.

I never saw the movie, and the general idea seems plausible, but, I'd just rather talk to a living human being personally :d hrmm.

Interesting idea but I agree with birn her, crappy work really

manutara
12-28-2004, 12:37 AM
For almost a year I have kind of follow the development of this contest...from the begining I was very surprised of the amount of publicity that this thing got.

We, as chileans, had two guys in the finals...to poser models in the finals. I was kind of tired of all the media coverage here in Chile but it was ok...these guys were selected and that was ok to me...no problem.

Just today a friend of mine dicovered the dark side of this exesive Katty Ko voting...

Somebody use a couple of random websites to put a html or whatever TAG so on each visit to that website it generates a automatic vote...guess to whom? Katty Ko...

The investigation is still in course and the italian MDW 2004 organization is already informed with all this incredible events.

If you guys know some spanish stay tune on this webBlog (http://www.argonave.com/francotirador/)

Or if you guys are really interested i don't have problems to translate...or try to :deal:

Lunatique
12-28-2004, 06:08 AM
Ooh, foul play. The plot thickens. Do I smell a lynch mob forming?:deal:

tjabba
12-28-2004, 06:56 AM
As I said when I read she had 17,000 votes - that number is proof of fraud all by itself.
Yes, manutara, please translate - thanks! :)

firestar3d
12-28-2004, 10:30 PM
I agree. I've seen contests where people have far more interest in voting, the quality of work is higher, the contest is more popular, and there are clear winners by miles, but they have never racked up even a quarter the votes that this contest winner has.

barclan
12-29-2004, 12:36 AM
Hi,
I don't think MDW it's been so bad. Ok, it's true it could have been much better (many wrong things), but you think it's been the first beauty 3d contest to arrive to an end, as far as I know. I think there was before a try, from Ellite-Illusions (Stahlberg will remember it, perhaps. Hi Steven, good to see you are ok, about the tsunami). Well, I think that contest did not come to an end at all. Mainly because its not easy to make a contest like this one, because of many reasons. Some of them:
-the difficulty of making a good character; you can see in this forum very good artists, but many of their works are replicanations of actress, as well they are just one image or two: its not the same to make a good image just from one camera angle than making a good 3d character, good from all views
-usually its individual work, not from companies, harder still; and if you discard companies-work (or works copyrighted by companies) the number of good works are still smaller.
The important thing now is if it's going to be improved or not. I sent MDW my suggestions about it. If you want a better contest just do the same, or arrange a contest by yourself. You will find out how difficult it is.
Of course, I think allowing poser or daz made characters it's not a good idea. They should try to make it more attractive for good artists, give a better price an other things. But even making it the best possible way it could go wrong still.

Stahlberg
12-29-2004, 01:07 AM
Hi, barclan, yes I remember that Illusion contest.
Basically my suggestions for a contest such as this would be:
1. Short animations of different poses. Say 2 or 3, full-body shots, 1 or 2 seconds long, poses quite different from each other. The poses should be given on the submission site, at least one of them should involve a lot of elbow, knee, hip and shoulder movement. The animation would be simple and unrealistic, only there to make sure no one would be retouching in 2d, or sculpting forms after detaching skeleton. One of them could also be a facial expression (like going from a smile to neutral).
2. Different lighting - one high key, one low key, different directions.
3. A camera rotation sequence of 5 - 8 images.
4. Hand-picked large jury, absolutely no public voting. Jurors would be 3d artists and beauty experts, and it's important that they discuss their opinions so that the 3d guys can explain to the beauticians why something is technically good or hard to do, and the beauticians can explain to the 3d guys why certain things could never pass in their industry. There needs to be a dialogue.
5. Much less bureaucracy involved in the submitting - it has to be all online. I've been in the jury of many art contests, and I've also submitted to a few. It's very important that the submitting process is easy and quick, yet secure (the artist knows immediately if the submission was succesful or not). I know it can be done, Ballistic Publishing for instance is a good example.
6. Don't start out with a complex plan of multiple 'heaths' and deadlines, make it simple, make one deadline, and stick to it.

I won't email this to MDW, I just wanted to demonstrate how fairly and easily the contest could have been handled. :)

Magallanes
12-29-2004, 11:07 AM
For almost a year I have kind of follow the development of this contest...from the begining I was very surprised of the amount of publicity that this thing got.

We, as chileans, had two guys in the finals...to poser models in the finals. I was kind of tired of all the media coverage here in Chile but it was ok...these guys were selected and that was ok to me...no problem.

Just today a friend of mine dicovered the dark side of this exesive Katty Ko voting...

Somebody use a couple of random websites to put a html or whatever TAG so on each visit to that website it generates a automatic vote...guess to whom? Katty Ko...

The investigation is still in course and the italian MDW 2004 organization is already informed with all this incredible events.

If you guys know some spanish stay tune on this webBlog (http://www.argonave.com/francotirador/)

Or if you guys are really interested i don't have problems to translate...or try to :deal:
Hello compatriota! (i'm too chilean but a continental one ^o^)

Why this competence sux?:
1)Katty Ko win because a scripts.
2)Katty Ko sux!. It's too "Poserish", it's not seem a 3dsmax models. The dress sux (just plain), the hair sux, the texture sux, it's seem more like a "game model" (low poly) rather a competition model.
3)Any competition that allow Poser cannot be considered and MDW allow it!.

Mr. Flavio (the "creator" of Katty Ko) work for Promoplan ( http://www.promoplan.cl/staff.htm ) AND Promoplan was the creator of the webpage of the competition.. ;-)

barclan
01-16-2005, 05:38 PM
I know it can be done, Ballistic Publishing for instance is a good example.
6. Don't start out with a complex plan of multiple 'heaths' and deadlines, make it simple, make one deadline, and stick to it.

I won't email this to MDW, I just wanted to demonstrate how fairly and easily the contest could have been handled.

Hi Stalhberg,

Sorry for late answer.

I did not say it was not possible, I know as well it is. Just said it was not so much easy as some of you seem to think, and did mention Ellite contest to probe it. Why this contest wasn't succesful? Why MDW have not been so much good as it could have been? In my opinion the answer is the same for both cases: they did not get very good submissions. Why? Just because of burocracy? I don't think so. You yourself told you did not submit because you did get busy.

Just imagin you arrange a contest in the easy way you suggest, and then you get very little submissions and not good at all because good artists are busy the same way you was. It would be no wonder, because, as you know, to make a good digital girl character is a very much time consuming task and doesn't pay very much and people have to earn their living.

As for Ballistic publications, I don't know any book about digital characters from this publisher. I know "Digital Beauties", from Taschen. That book, as you know, displays works of 42 artists. If you take out poser-made and 2d characters there are left just 23. I don't think everyone of them are good works, but my opinion is that a good contest would be that one who would manage to have submissions from at least all of these 23.

Your suggestions in my opinion are good but they just demostrate that a more easy and simple way to organize the contest can be planned. I did not speak in my post about the difficulty to make a plan, but about the difficulty to make a plan and bringing it to life to the end succesfully, and it doesn't depend enterily on organizators, but on artists who have to submit their works.

valentine
01-16-2005, 08:55 PM
Hello compatriota! (i'm too chilean but a continental one ^o^)

Why this competence sux?:
1)Katty Ko win because a scripts.
2)Katty Ko sux!. It's too "Poserish", it's not seem a 3dsmax models. The dress sux (just plain), the hair sux, the texture sux, it's seem more like a "game model" (low poly) rather a competition model.
3)Any competition that allow Poser cannot be considered and MDW allow it!.

Mr. Flavio (the "creator" of Katty Ko) work for Promoplan ( http://www.promoplan.cl/staff.htm ) AND Promoplan was the creator of the webpage of the competition.. ;-)

haha, very interesting stuff ;)

kex
01-16-2005, 10:01 PM
i dont think so in comparision to the rest of miss's on that page let alone every other page on the net.

the site looks like just self promotion to me aka a complete fake ola site

thier no links either to the other pieces on the site ; and oh yeah that model has an evil grin lol

tthis guy like posted on the first page but dude was he on the money it was just self promotion and pretty much a fake contest

Stahlberg
01-17-2005, 01:30 AM
they did not get very good submissions.
Well, most of them, no, but there were some good submissions... I think I saw Rene Morel's character there. Alceu's famous character, Nvidia's fairy, the new Webbie (wonder who's creating her now). That japanese artist's 'girl in white facemask'?

CaptainJackSparrow
01-17-2005, 02:04 AM
Bitch, bitch bitch.

Oh what's the big deal, the guy had an idea, execution sucked but at least he had a good idea which is more than I can say for a lot of the whiners on here. Don't like it, do a better job!

If you didn't even enter or vote why do you sit here now and complain about it. Go out and build something better or do people here just like to complain like a bunch of old grannies or something.

Stahlberg
01-17-2005, 04:34 AM
Don't like it, do a better job!
You mean to say you've never complained about something, unless you could do it better yourself? LOL yeah right

Leionaaad
01-17-2005, 05:51 AM
Well, the first pic about the winner just looked flat. But then I made the big mistake to take a look to the other images. The last one just looks like a zombie just standing there in a reference pose and looking scarry.
About the winner? I've seen worse. I've actually seen a short, with a bunch of poser people and textures from the max texture library. No tweaking or blending at all. Standard dull poser faces, rigid movements, obvious tiling, and the whole nightmare!! And the short actually won some movie festival. It was made by some romanian guys (as myself), this is how I know about it. The fact is they showed a point of view,, without any complicated thing. So...I don't know anymore. Not everyone is so tech obsessed as us(CGpeople), and they will hardly tell a polygon from a pixel.
But we, as the real chosen ones, we know what trully lies beneath...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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MK2
01-17-2005, 07:29 AM
I 100% agree to the post of CaptainJackSparrow
I did not like the results of that contest or ANY of the entries but there is no reason to bash it or "bitch" around.
All you whiners can enter it in 2005.

firestar3d
01-17-2005, 07:38 AM
MK2 and CaptainJackSparrow: Sitting there and accusing people of whining is hardly going to win you any points, especially not when the consensus that this contest was, at best, a joke, and at worst, a rigged farce.

It's evident from the information and links posted here that this contest wasn't really a contest, just some advertising stunt dressed up to look like one. A lot of people on these forums have said so and haven't "bitched about it", but instead have presented evidence that they've found on the net and left it for others to draw their own conclusions... Yet here you two are, accusing everybody... Generalising is just as bad as "bitching", so what have you got to say for yourselves on that score?

Perhaps if you don't like it, you should refrain from posting or making remarks that solicit flaming. That starts a flame war that nobody wants and will likely result in bannings among several people in the community.


It's ok to have an opinion... It's not ok to justify that opinion by making accusations.

Edit: And if I remember the competition rules correctly, a lot of us probably won't be able to enter a similar contest in 2005... Besides, I wouldn't think that any of the pro's here (whose work is excellent by the way) want their hard labours thwarted by someone with a Poser rig, some off-the-shelf textures and no artistic licence just because that person happens to work for one of the sponsor companies.

manutara
01-17-2005, 07:38 AM
After all what happend with he voting the quality of the 3D is no lomger the main issue here...

Who cares if a poser model wins a 3d competion. Is a contest anyway. The problem was the method used for winning...

PhantomDesign
01-17-2005, 07:47 AM
I wonder if they even had a prize for the weiner (some of those models look like thet probably have them).




we should make our own cgtalk miss world beuty.

Anyway I made mine, I know she is not perfect but what she lacks in beuty she compensates it with intelligence.

http://cancun-condorentals.com/missdigital.jpg

Ooooooo..... Lense Flares.... :P

PhantomDesign
01-17-2005, 08:34 AM
Mr. Flavio (the "creator" of Katty Ko) work for Promoplan ( http://www.promoplan.cl/staff.htm ) AND Promoplan was the creator of the webpage of the competition.. ;-)

This alone should be reason why NONE of us here give this contest a chance. The prize may have NEVER existed. I could start a 3D car design contest & rig it so I win and "pay myself the prize." And then I would have fabricated a lot of false publicity for myself! YAY! This contest was sucessful - a sucessful fraud that is.

Stalhberg - I love your work, it is clearly better than the winner (as if I need to tell you that). I'm just glad you didn't waste your time!

barclan
01-17-2005, 04:13 PM
Well, most of them, no, but there were some good submissions... I think I saw Rene Morel's character there. Alceu's famous character, Nvidia's fairy, the new Webbie ...

It's true. I think as well these ones are good works. I did not mention them because from my point it´s still a poor number to make a good contest. But its fair to recognize its quality.

For me, a good contest should be a good reflection of the quality of works being made today in this field, both by companies and by individuals. That way the winner could fairly be proclaimed as the best one.

Now I'm going to unsuscribe to this thread. If someone want to tell me anything just mail.

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