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Gelvin
11-06-2004, 11:50 AM
i´ve seen that some computers have a small 10 000rpm hdd as systemdisk... and a larger one to store everything else (7200rpm)

The faster one is very expensive if you compare $/mb... i do understand that 10000 is faster than 7200 but do you really need that... does the hddspeed increase the overall computerspeed when you for example using a 3dprogram or playing a game...

the same thing with raid... it could double the hddspeed but is it worth the money ?

i hope you can understand me... my english is not that good...

jcbray
11-06-2004, 12:00 PM
You speak english better than many who were born to it, we can understand you quite clearly.

As for you're post, hd speed is important, but it depends on that work you are doing, the average comsumer wouldn't really need it. As for how well it relates to 3d work and such, can't really help you, sorry.

Raid will increase the speed, but can cause instability - there's a sticky thread at the top of this forum, I havn't really read it through, but it discuss' raid and harddisk's, perhaps you'd like to browse through it.

Gelvin
11-06-2004, 12:27 PM
well, i have read some of it.. but i dont think it says much about my question...
but it sure is a lot of text :)

wireFrame
11-06-2004, 01:54 PM
For you you don't need it unless you're into non-linear editing and highend vfx work. Most fx houses needed that speed when they import and export high resolution images in realtime.

One good exmple is HD and 2K footages that needed to be color graded (digital intermediate) and played back in realtime for checking. The faster those hardrives deliver megabytes per second, the better.

Srek
11-06-2004, 06:28 PM
Hi,
those fast disks are mostly usefull in servers and such. Videoediting might benefit too, but not as much as servers. For a workstation they are generaly not something i would recommend, since they are pretty loud and due to the high rotation speed very unnerving.
If you want speed go for an inexpensiv IDE or SATA raid system.
Cheers
Srek

Lorecanth
11-06-2004, 07:14 PM
running 2 WD raptors each at 10,000 RPM in a RAID 0 for the system drive and cache disks and here are some benefits... 130 MB/s transfer rate, a normal single system drive is lucky if it gets past 50 MB/s. What everyone neglects to mention is the windows swap file... god forbid you have a scene that exceeds your memory in this case your rendering speed is directly tied to your system HD speed.

In regards to to noise, I had a 5 drive raid array before and 5 7200 drives were a hell of a lot louder than the two raptors.

Fast disks are incredibly useful in workstations. You will be suprised by how much time you save having photoshop load up in 4 seconds instead of 30.

whizpopper1
11-06-2004, 07:23 PM
running 2 WD raptors each at 10,000 RPM in a RAID 0 for the system drive and cache disks and here are some benefits... 130 MB/s transfer rate, a normal single system drive is lucky if it gets past 50 MB/s. What everyone neglects to mention is the windows swap file... god forbid you have a scene that exceeds your memory in this case your rendering speed is directly tied to your system HD speed.

In regards to to noise, I had a 5 drive raid array before and 5 7200 drives were a hell of a lot louder than the two raptors.

Fast disks are incredibly useful in workstations. You will be suprised by how much time you save having photoshop load up in 4 seconds instead of 30.
in regards to noise, i have a 7200 rpm hd in my laptop and its completely silent

thats all
pe:buttrock: ace

gnz
11-06-2004, 08:33 PM
Im running a RAID0 array with two 10000k rpm 75gb raptors here too. Windows uses the HD a lot, so this combination really speeds up the system. Applications launch in a breeze, and working with large files is smooth.

About reliability, well, the first two drives I got failed right away, one after just one hour and the other 24hrs after, which was a real bummer. But got them exchanged right away and they have been running just fine for about six months (my system is on all the time). WD offered a 5yr warranty with them so I guess it should be fine. Just in case I try not to have any important stuff in there, just the system and the large files Im currently working on.

Regarding noise, theyre almost silent when spinning. The only thing I can hear is the head seeking which is not loud. I do like listening to the head seeking to know when the computer is doing something.

I would reccomend this setup if you want extreme system speed.

Gelvin
11-06-2004, 09:59 PM
For you you don't need it unless you're into non-linear editing and highend vfx work. Most fx houses needed that speed when they import and export high resolution images in realtime.

One good exmple is HD and 2K footages that needed to be color graded (digital intermediate) and played back in realtime for checking. The faster those hardrives deliver megabytes per second, the better.


okey, thats a nice answer :thumbsup: ... I dont think i wanna put my money on one of those then, it seems that i have no need for it...

edit: sorry, i didnt refresh so i missed you guys Srek, Lorecanth, whizpopper1, gnz...
some of you says that i would gain a lot with a faster disksystem... when exactly do you need a fast hdd... you gnz, mentioned that applications will start faster...

JDex
11-06-2004, 10:39 PM
I really find that a High Speed Drive for the System Paging File is a major help to efficiency and speed... if the cost is not a tremendous factor.

I got a pair of SCSI 10k 36Gb Drive for about $135 each and I use one for my system page file and one for my primary cache/scratch disks in various apps. The speed improvement is quite noticeable to me. I partitioned the disks so that I am not wasting space.

I set aside 3Gb for the Swap on the first one for the Page File, then use the rest for system file backups... things that I don't commonly need to access like backups of registries, log files, font backups etc. Those backups don't need the speed, but it was the 3Gb that I needed on that disk.

The other drive is stacked up with five 6Gb partitions for the various apps like PS and After fx to dump data. Having fast drives for these are not absolutely essential, but we're worth the extra $50 (per drive) for imho because the system is extremely responsive on complicated commands.

Bottom line... not a necessity, but not a bad luxury.

201
11-06-2004, 11:37 PM
I have a Seagate 15,000 RPM SCSI HD and it's not loud at all.

Gelvin
11-07-2004, 12:15 AM
Thanks for all replys, it doesn´t sound bad at all to have a fast disk...

I have not thought some much about the noise... i suppose it gets louder the more hdds you put in the computer and the faster they are... mabye raid is better than buy a single hdd with high rpm..

I´ve got a maxtor 160gb SATA 8mb... iam thinking about buy another one of the same type and raid them... the problem is that i have to format everything and i dont wanna store everything on them, beacuse if one of them crashes so do the other one... an option is to buy a single fast disk, like 10000rpm... or maybe two small cheap sata 7200rpm...

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