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Fudge
10-30-2004, 04:03 PM
hey all iv recently installed firefox and internetexplorer is no longer needed do you think if i delete C:Programfiles/internetexplorer it would affect anything?

Fudge

mummey
10-30-2004, 04:06 PM
Short Answer: Yes

Long Answer: This is the wrong forum for such a topic. At least post in in Technical/Hardware. (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23) if this is what you want to discuss.

L.Rawlins
10-30-2004, 04:19 PM
Windows Update might dislike you for it. Though. There are scripts available to remove the default Windows Messenger and all its paraphenalia in favour of installing the more favoured MSN Messenger.... so its possibe that there are similar scripts available for the removal of the default IE in favour of another browser....

Stillwell
10-30-2004, 04:34 PM
Yes, you could download a program that removes IE. And yes, if you manually delete it it might cause problems. But I personally don't see why you should remove it.

I installed Firefox and am very, very pleased with it, but still, sometimes I have to use IE (i.e. buying online, Firefox seems to have some issues with HTTPS protocol)

Fudge
10-30-2004, 04:56 PM
ok just becouse i keep getting these ad pop ups for no reason and they only pop up in internet explorer and iv tried adaware and spybot search and destroy yet they didnt help the problem

Stillwell
10-30-2004, 05:28 PM
Well you could try Maxthon then. It's an IE explorer enhancer, meaning it uses the IE shell but adds more functions to it, including a really powerful pop-up blocker.

http://www.maxthon.com

dotTom
10-30-2004, 06:01 PM
ok just becouse i keep getting these ad pop ups for no reason and they only pop up in internet explorer and iv tried adaware and spybot search and destroy yet they didnt help the problem
Install Windows XP Service Pack 2. The pop-up blocker in SP2 is really really good. Everytime I sit at my workstation in the office that runs Windows Server 2003 I miss it.

???
10-30-2004, 06:37 PM
Well yes you can deleate Internet Explorer but if you deleate it, especialy if you use microsoft windows xp, the windows live and update will force you to reinstall it agen because windows and IE are like 2 couples. Besides, deleated or not, IE will always be taking MB from your harddrive even if you backup.

So if you hate internet explorer that much, you have you unistall windows and choose MAC or Linux or keep deleated and ignore the windows updates :P

mental
10-30-2004, 06:58 PM
if you're using W2K just go to Add Remove Programs > Add Remove Windows Components > Uncheck Internet Explorer and hit 'Next' to uninstall.

HellBoy
10-30-2004, 07:22 PM
if the problem you're getting is just a pop-ups, why not just get a popup blocker?

rebo
10-30-2004, 08:16 PM
Dont delete internet explorer you need it for windows update.

The reason you are getting tonnes of popups when its running is you are infected with spyware and maybe some trojans virus. Do a good spyware scan and virus scan.

Once your machine is clean, use firefox only for browsing and saving IE for those unavoidable times.

Using maxthon wont help at all, sure it may block the popups but the spyware problem will still be there. Also their popup blocker isnt as good as firefox's.

gmask
10-30-2004, 08:28 PM
Sounds like you have been hi-jacked.

You need get "hi-jack this".. itr will help reveal what has been added to your registry. Then after deleteing the naughty bits from the registry you need to boot into safe mode. Delete everything in the temp folder and in the windows/prefetch folder.. otherwise the naughty bits will re-install themselves as soon as you restart normally.

If you just try to delete the IE folder it will repair itself.

DevilHacker
10-30-2004, 11:04 PM
If you just try to delete the IE folder it will repair itself.That is because you can not completely delete IE and still have windows run.
If you notice, in the IE address bar, if you type a path to your computer (ex:C:\)
it will shoot you to your hard drive, this also works when looking at the hard drive in explorer view; type in a address you will go to the internet. This is because Microsoft has interrogated IE into the majority of the operating system, so you should not uninstall it.
From what it sounds like, you want to only serf the web using firefox...
So just set it as your browser default, so that all surfing will be done in it.
:)

MadMax
10-31-2004, 12:01 AM
Mozilla has a fantastic pop up blocker. I presume said blocker is in Firefox as well.

I tried other blockers in the past, none worked 100%. Since installng Mozilla, I have not had a single pop up of any kind.

It also does a nice job of blocking java, Active X etc.

devdoka
10-31-2004, 12:11 AM
try XP Lite (http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html)

powerfull uninstaller.

Fudge
10-31-2004, 10:15 AM
hey gmask i just downloaded hi-jack this yet when i did a scan there is loads of files (about 50) and it says be carful as what to delete and im not sure what to delete. if there is a way to show you all the files there ill send

Fudge

Fudge
10-31-2004, 10:19 AM
[EDIT] sorry found out how to save the log here it is http://n.1asphost.com/Phudge/hijackthis.log


Fudge

Mr_Smee
10-31-2004, 12:43 PM
[EDIT] sorry found out how to save the log here it is http://n.1asphost.com/Phudge/hijackthis.log


Fudge

Check these:

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = file://C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SearchBar.htm

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.easywebsearch.nl

R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.easywebsearch.nl

R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php

R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.easywebsearch.nl

R3 - URLSearchHook: Search - {07531599-F255-4050-B96E-ECE5AA2E63A5} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADVANCED SEARCH PLUG-IN\ADVANCEDBAR.DLL (file missing)

O3 - Toolbar: REALBAR - {4E7BD74F-2B8D-469E-C0FF-FD60B590A87D} - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\REAL\TOOLBAR\REALBAR.DLL

O3 - Toolbar: Search - {07531599-F255-4050-B96E-ECE5AA2E63A5} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADVANCED SEARCH PLUG-IN\ADVANCEDBAR.DLL (file missing)

O3 - Toolbar: POPStopperIE.CToolbar - {4B7B69EB-A00F-4FCD-B601-ACCBB86ED528} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\POP-STOPPER-IE\POP-STOPPER-IE.DLL (file missing)

After checking the above do the following:

Go to download.com and download adaware se. Install it and let it update the definition file. Boot into safe mode (f8 on bootup then select safe mode) Run the adaware program and scan your computer. This should do it.

Let me know if it works! :thumbsup:

Hazdaz
10-31-2004, 02:10 PM
I just recently also tried FireFox and am liking it more and more (mostly cuz I can increase the text-size on sites that don't let you with IE).

I have no good reason to kill off IE permanantly- I just don't use it - BUT with IE still on my computer, does that still leave me open to the vulnerabilities within IE? Is just having it on my HD (and not being used) "dangerous" enough, or am I safe as long as I don't use IE??

Just curious if anyone knew.

rebo
10-31-2004, 02:13 PM
Generally no you wont be at risk if you dont use it. However some IE vuneribilities will still affect you because IE is so ingrained into the OS. Therefore you should still try to keep your computer up to date. But yea by and large you wont get problems if you dont surf with IE.

gmask
10-31-2004, 06:17 PM
Additions to the search bar are almost allways bad..
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = file://C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SearchBar.htm (file:///C:WINDOWSSYSTEMSearchBar.htm)

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php (http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php)

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.easywebsearch.nl (http://www.easywebsearch.nl/)

R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.easywebsearch.nl (http://www.easywebsearch.nl/)

R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php (http://www.easywebsearch.nl/ie.php)

R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.easywebsearch.nl (http://www.easywebsearch.nl/)

R3 - URLSearchHook: Search - {07531599-F255-4050-B96E-ECE5AA2E63A5} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADVANCED SEARCH PLUG-IN\ADVANCEDBAR.DLL (file missing)

O3 - Toolbar: REALBAR - {4E7BD74F-2B8D-469E-C0FF-FD60B590A87D} - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\REAL\TOOLBAR\REALBAR.DLL

O3 - Toolbar: Search - {07531599-F255-4050-B96E-ECE5AA2E63A5} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADVANCED SEARCH PLUG-IN\ADVANCEDBAR.DLL (file missing)

This may have been something you isntalled to prevent popups...
O3 - Toolbar: POPStopperIE.CToolbar - {4B7B69EB-A00F-4FCD-B601-ACCBB86ED528} - C:\PROGRAM FILES\POP-STOPPER-IE\POP-STOPPER-IE.DLL (file missing)

Go to your programs folder and delete anything in there that doesn't belong like..

C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\REAL\TOOLBAR\REALBAR.DLL

Then restart in safe mode and delete the contents of your temp folder for example..

C:\Documents and Settings\gmask\Local Settings\Temp

And the prefetch folder
C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

CWShredder.exe is another good program to have..

If you evewr see a DLL in the list that you don't knwo what it is do a google for it and most likely if it's bad you find alot of hits telling you what it is and how to get rid of it.

leas5040
10-31-2004, 07:18 PM
You can also post your log file here. (http://www.spywareinfo.com/forums/index.php?showforum=30) They are good about answering your spyware questions and have tons of tips on how to prevent things from going bad again. One of my tips from some spyware that infected my machine (*shakes fist at messenger plus*) was to have Spybot installed as well as a little program that comes with it called TeaTimer. TeaTimer is great in that it tells you whenever a registry change is being made, and alerts you with a popup. While it is sometimes annoying during installations, it saved me a ton of hassle vs. my spyware problem.

lots
10-31-2004, 07:35 PM
Wonder if the windows messenger service is running..

You should turn it off if it is ;)

MadMax
10-31-2004, 07:49 PM
XPAntiSpy and Tweak XP are absolutely ESSENTIAL tools.

blotov
10-31-2004, 08:22 PM
firefox is for gays

leas5040
10-31-2004, 11:28 PM
firefox is for gaysFirefox is for people who prefer having a browser that is much better than many of the alternatives. If the aim of this comment was at browser preference, I don't see how picking firefox in any way affects sexual orientation. Perhaps the aim of your comment was that you think firefox is bad, and you somehow mistakenly associated this with whatever else you perceive as being bad, or "gays" as you make reference to. In any case, your comment is quite crass and tasteless. If you want to add something to the debate, feel free, but please leave other comments in your head and off of the message boards.

blotov
11-01-2004, 11:25 AM
The tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking of Firefox is why I like it so much but it does have it's downsides like:

The browser crashes a lot on me if I don't have the proper plugin installed for the website I'm viewing. (Flash in particular)

Why can't I switch between browser tabs exactly like alt+tab lets me switch between browser windows? I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through the tabs but that doesn't help if I have five open and just want to switch back and forth between two.

When I close a tab, why does the browser always insist on switching to the tab directly to the right or left of the one I closed, and not the last tab I looked at?

The Download Manager is super annoying. You can prevent it from popping up every two seconds but it still wants to pop-up the first time it's used. You can also turn it off altogether but that isn't helpful at all.

People have already figured out a way to get around the pop-up blocker using some sort of onClose event.

The memory usage! Firefox is a resource hog. It also gets very slow to use when there are lots of images on the screen.



firefox was very slow when working with the image option on a google search.
Oh and the download manager is useless.
oh and when doing the command new window:the new window is your home page, useless!


so its gay: lot in appearence.

Beamtracer
11-01-2004, 11:59 AM
firefox is for gays

__________________
women are the most beautifull thing ever.


Strange comment. Blotov, you must be feeling very insecure about your own masculinity to be running around making comments like that about gays. People who do that are usually experiencing guilt about their own feelings.

MadMax
11-01-2004, 04:26 PM
The tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking of Firefox is why I like it so much but it does have it's downsides like:

The browser crashes a lot on me if I don't have the proper plugin installed for the website I'm viewing. (Flash in particular)
Wrong. Works just fine.


Why can't I switch between browser tabs exactly like alt+tab lets me switch between browser windows? I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through the tabs but that doesn't help if I have five open and just want to switch back and forth between two.
As opposed to IE which doesn't have ANY tabs at all. Alt-tab is obviously taken, maybe a feature request is in order?

When I close a tab, why does the browser always insist on switching to the tab directly to the right or left of the one I closed, and not the last tab I looked at?
Again, hardly a problem issue. Again, perhaps a feature request?

The Download Manager is super annoying. You can prevent it from popping up every two seconds but it still wants to pop-up the first time it's used. You can also turn it off altogether but that isn't helpful at all.
Huh? Download manager works just fine. No progress box or you get one when you download. This makes about as much sense as bitching about having an "about" menu.

You either see download progress or you don't. You are ranting about both......

People have already figured out a way to get around the pop-up blocker using some sort of onClose event.
I suspect you spend all your time on warez and porn sites then because I do a lot of surfing and have not seen a pop up since the day I first installed a Mozilla product.

The memory usage! Firefox is a resource hog. It also gets very slow to use when there are lots of images on the screen.

too ridiculous to comment on.


firefox was very slow when working with the image option on a google search.
Oh and the download manager is useless.
oh and when doing the command new window:the new window is your home page, useless!


so its gay: lot in appearence.
we get it. You're not only clueless but you are a bigot as well. I'm sure the gay people enjoy seeing your infantile point of view using their sexuality as an insult.

lots
11-01-2004, 05:35 PM
The browser crashes a lot on me if I don't have the proper plugin installed for the website I'm viewing. (Flash in particular)
Never happens to me, maybe you have other problems with your computer :P


Why can't I switch between browser tabs exactly like alt+tab lets me switch between browser windows? I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through the tabs but that doesn't help if I have five open and just want to switch back and forth between two.
You can. Ctrl + number for the specific tab you want.


When I close a tab, why does the browser always insist on switching to the tab directly to the right or left of the one I closed, and not the last tab I looked at?
There is a plugin that lets you drag and drop tabs in whatever order you want. I assume you can modify this plugin and have it pull the tab that was last viewed after closing of another tab. If not, you can still drag the tabs you want to pop up into the right spot if its THAT annoying.


The Download Manager is super annoying. You can prevent it from popping up every two seconds but it still wants to pop-up the first time it's used. You can also turn it off altogether but that isn't helpful at all.
Thats just personal preference at this point ;)


People have already figured out a way to get around the pop-up blocker using some sort of onClose event.
Havnt seen any pop ups my self, so you must be visiting sites that are loaded with ads ;)


The memory usage! Firefox is a resource hog. It also gets very slow to use when there are lots of images on the screen.
I have had FireFox running for several days straight before, with about 5 or 6 tabs up, all to graphics forums such as cg talk, or hardware stuff (im a geek :P), and it ran just fine. FireFox takes up about 10-20 megs less RAM than IE with a similar ammount of windows open. I have tested this out :P


firefox was very slow when working with the image option on a google search.
I've never seen any slow down due to firefox when using google image search.


oh and when doing the command new window:the new window is your home page, useless!
Again, thats a moot point. For some that is a desirable feature. Is it any better, than say IE which opens the page you are on when you use the new window command? Some would say no.


so its gay: lot in appearence. Firefox can use skins. If you dont like the way it looks, go get another skin. Personally the default firefox scheme looks almost identical to IE, so you must not like IE either ;)

cris castro
11-01-2004, 06:15 PM
IE its still the best and hard to beat, microsoft---microsoft pair dev

mummey
11-01-2004, 06:41 PM
IE its still the best and hard to beat, microsoft---microsoft pair dev
I think cris castro has yet to experience the joys of tabbed browsing. When you have cgtalk, gmail, and espn always open, having tabs makes this experience possible without being an annoyance.

leas5040
11-01-2004, 07:02 PM
And you do know that if you don't like something in Firefox, you can change it, right? That's one of the perks of open source, my friend. You have the power to make the browser as nice or as crappy as you want. Don't want to spend the time learning enough programming to change things to your liking? I guess you might have to wait until someone else, with more initiative, steps in and does things for you.

rebo
11-01-2004, 07:14 PM
The browser crashes a lot on me if I don't have the proper plugin installed for the website I'm viewing. (Flash in particular)


Dont happen here.

Originally Posted by blotov
Why can't I switch between browser tabs exactly like alt+tab lets me switch between browser windows? I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through the tabs but that doesn't help if I have five open and just want to switch back and forth between two.

You can use Ctrl+ number key and you can use Shift-Ctrl -Tab to go back thru tabs.


Originally Posted by blotov
When I close a tab, why does the browser always insist on switching to the tab directly to the right or left of the one I closed, and not the last tab I looked at?


With TBE extension you can select left tab right tab last opened tab or last selected tab for default behaviour when closing a tab.


Originally Posted by blotov
The Download Manager is super annoying. You can prevent it from popping up every two seconds but it still wants to pop-up the first time it's used. You can also turn it off altogether but that isn't helpful at all.


There are various DLM extensions available, includng download status bar which discreetly shows downloads in the status bar.


Originally Posted by blotov
People have already figured out a way to get around the pop-up blocker using some sort of onClose event.


And im sure this will get fixed very soon.(EDIT, infact it has already been fixed in RC1) Ive NEVER had a popup in 6 months.


Originally Posted by blotov
The memory usage! Firefox is a resource hog. It also gets very slow to use when there are lots of images on the screen.

For general useage the resource use is the same as IE. There is a bug to do with opening many images in many tabs, i assume this will be fixed.


Originally Posted by blotov
firefox was very slow when working with the image option on a google search.


Havent noticed this at alll


Originally Posted by blotov
oh and when doing the command new window:the new window is your home page, useless!


TBE or TBP extension lets you select current page or whatever.

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