New Eminem Video, "Mosh": Amazing!

[rocarpen]

Duplicate post...

I'll use this space to paint a picture instead:

Imagine you're a CG nerd (what a stretch). Imagine you want to make a difference in the world. Imagine you go out, seeking an artist interested in a collaboration (video+music). Something to motivate disaffected youth, a reminder in election season about what's at stake, etc. You're given 5 weeks to create something from scratch.

One week before the biggest election in the history of the world's most powerful nation, your video hits the airwaves of one of the biggest networks in the world, getting your viewpoint out to millions of potentional voters, urging them to vote in the closest US election ever.

Forget rendering photo-realistic skin pores, or poly-modeling the latest set of double-D CG boobs. You've just changed the course of history! And you've done so by utilizing the same tools as thousands of CG Talk users.

Awesome.

[Larrikin]

I'm not really an Eminem fan, but this song really is excellent!

Here some links to the clip in other video formats..
Real Audio (http://boss.streamos.com/real/interscope/eminem/encore/video/mosh-rev/00_mosh-rev.ram)

Windows Media (http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/interscope/eminem/encore/video/mosh-rev/00_mosh-rev.asx)

[Goldenavatar]

That Mosh video (http://www.archive.org/download/Mosh2/GNN_Mosh_bb2.mov) is pretty cool. I won't touch the social commentary eminem makes on it, but it's a pretty interesting animation nonetheless. I hope no one minds a link to download it straight, if folks have problems with streams.

[richd]

Eminem is the one of the most creative and original artist out there so I wouldn't expect anything less from him. Only saw 1/3 of it so far... pretty slow loads.. and the video anim is working well with the song so far.

[rocarpen]

Eminem is the one of the most creative and original artist out there so I wouldn't expect anything less from him. Only saw 1/3 of it so far... pretty slow loads.. and the video anim is working well with the song so far.
Here's a Windows Media link:

Windows Media (http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/interscope/eminem/encore/video/mosh-rev/00_mosh-rev.asx)

[KolbyJukes]

that song kinda grows on ya, I didn't care for it at first, but by the end I was really into it...can't wait for that new album.

Anyway, wow, that video was pretty impressive. Congrats to everybody who worked on it. I dug the 'rotomation'-style 2d on em.

-K.

[DeepGreenJungle]

I'm going to have to disagree. The animation didn't really impress me. But I don't think it was because of the rushed production values. I agree with the message, and I think the song has some decent energy in it, but the design work of the film just didn't quite work for me. I'm having a hard time pinning it down, but I think it was the lack of energetic motion, and kind of bland design quality. Maybe that sounds hyper-critical, I don't mean to say it was terrible, or even bad, I think I'd just put it in the not-great category.

[noisewar]

Hmmm kinda disappointed. The song is rather juvenile considering the intelligence in many of Eminem's songs. The video wasn't too bad, there was some low-budget animation through most of it but some nice sequences with crowds of paper thing people moshing or walking through the street that made for a nice theme to project yourself into a voting crowd. The animation of the mother was rather low-fi compared to the nice line/vector drawings of Em. You'd think he's have the money for a higher production than this tho.

[bleeper]

That was pretty bad graphics, and the song, eww :eek: and I usually like Eminen.

[titaniumdave]

So why are there two threads about the same subject posted 10 minutes apart? I might add that there was a thread posted about this subject two days ago or so and well it turned out real well.

[Rye]

Yeah this sure looks like it only took 6 weeks to complete. I wasn't very impressed. The vector animation was somewhat decent, but the 3d looked pretty bad. It was all just VERY slow (even for a slow song)

[rocarpen]

So why are there two threads about the same subject posted 10 minutes apart? I might add that there was a thread posted about this subject two days ago or so and well it turned out real well.
Must have missed that first thread from a few days ago (I did a search before posting the thread, but nothing came up). Double posted this mistakenly, putting it in News after realizing it was more appropriate here than in General Discussion.

The animation? Maybe so-so in parts. The overall impact? HUGE. I really don't think you can overstate what an impact this video being out there, now, at the level it is at, could have.

With one week to go until one of the most important elections in United States history, the #1 video on the biggest music network in the world is an animated call to arms against the incumbent, and a cry for change through vote. The guys who came up with this managed to do so in just 5 weeks, having approaced Interscope and managed to have gotten Eminem's attention. That blows my mind! Folks just like the guys on this board, with the right motivation, and scant time, have done something pretty amazing.

http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/buttrock.gif

[Per-Anders]

so having said all of that... why is this (a) cg newsworthy (b) posted? if the only reason is because of it's message, because it can't be the video itself which doesn't stand out from anything else out there and as you say yourself the animation is so-so in parts (more than just in parts imo, and certainly very very far from the "amazing" in the thread title), then the only reason i can assume this is here is because of it's politics. in which case it shouldn't be here, cgtalk is not a political forum.

[pogonip]

Good mix of animation and live action...put to good use anyways ! Best line of the video " F bush " ...could not have said it better myself :buttrock:

[titaniumdave]

I'm starting the timer now.

[Lunatique]

It's good that he's growing up and using his talent for social awareness instead of dissing pop stars and silly teenage fantasies. The mainstream needs more intellectural thoughts, because the mainstream is usually devoid of any meaning and substance.

[Galo]

Yeah the video also shows a lot of eminem - meni me :-) verry cool!

[Stillwell]

I loved it. Eminem really starts to grow on me since the 8 Miles movie.

I hope popular broadcasters won't censor this work of art. If they do, it's a shame and the situation is hopeless.

Congratulations to everyone who worked on this!

[anibal187]

I used to like Eminem. I listened to the Slim shady L.p and the Marshall Mathers L.p over and over again. Then it came the "I´m so controversial I´m so different I´m so cynical" C´mon, why is he different? He´s a white pop-star (popular star, isn´t he?) that makes millions of dollars, he´s on top of teen magazines ... He´s a sell out to me, and worst of all he bitches about being famous and rich (just like Brittney and Mandonna) but still takes the dollars and stuffs his pockets. If he was that different and "revolutionary" and controversial, he would`t even be on tv.
Oh wait, about the video... I´ll download it later

[rocarpen]

I used to like Eminem. I listened to the Slim shady L.p and the Marshall Mathers L.p over and over again. Then it came the "I´m so controversial I´m so different I´m so cynical" C´mon, why is he different? He´s a white pop-star (popular star, isn´t he?) that makes millions of dollars, he´s on top of teen magazines ... He´s a sell out to me, and worst of all he bitches about being famous and rich (just like Brittney and Mandonna) but still takes the dollars and stuffs his pockets. If he was that different and "revolutionary" and controversial, he would`t even be on tv.
Oh wait, about the video... I´ll download it later
One word: TALENT

If you can watch this video, and still declare him a 'sellout' after basically flipping off the candidate that half the U.S. supports, then I'm amazed. If it was all about cash, you'd be hearing 'My Name Is' on Honda commercials.

Check out the video, if only for the dramatic fusion of lyrics and animation.

[cuse]

Wow, that video really sucks.

For a multi million, triple platinum singer/songwriter/performer etc etc, that was pretty bad. It just looked really badly put together and didnt have any flow, the only compliment is that its consistent in style i guess. Shame, as im sure itll be seen by a lot of people.


cuse

[Rye]

Is it just me or were all the negative comments about this video deleted? I wrote earlier that this thing was incredibly boring and slow. They said they put it together in a few weeks and it shows. The vector animation was (somewhat) decent, but the 3d was just plain bad.

I love how the creators of the video brag about how this might affect election day by showing people that voting is powerful yada yada. All this video will do is persuade people who look up to Eminem to think Bush sucks.

[Darktwin]

I really like Eminem when he speaks about social or real issues. I really don't care much for his comedic side. This song is really powerful in its message. I just hope people are listening. Everyone in America, Vote or Die on Novemeber 2.
I couldn't resist.

[gmask]

Awesome... Eminem kicks ass!

[Leonard]

Apologies if the thread looks incongruent, but what happened was that several of these threads appeared on the forum and I've merged the threads together now...

Rye - No negative comments were removed. We don't moderate opinions. You were reading two physically different threads and now they are merged into one.

[ashrumm]

It is good to see young people in this country take thier political views more seriously especially those who are in positions to project their views to masses! Thats what freedom of speech is all about!! You gotta like the aggressive energy in his vocals, it always gets me hyped up!!

Rock on EM!!

[Rye]

ah ok, thanks leonard :)

[rocarpen]

Is it just me or were all the negative comments about this video deleted? I wrote earlier that this thing was incredibly boring and slow. They said they put it together in a few weeks and it shows. The vector animation was (somewhat) decent, but the 3d was just plain bad.
There was a duplicate thread in News, since deleted by mods (rightly so).

I love how the creators of the video brag about how this might affect election day by showing people that voting is powerful yada yada. All this video will do is persuade people who look up to Eminem to think Bush sucks.
And then those people vote (against Bush), and in an election this close, Kerry wins. Remember, we're talking about A LOT of potential people here! This is the most succesful and widely respected artist of this generation - with gazillions of records sold - currently airing a blistering anti-Bush pro-vote video on the top youth-driven network in the world. Millions of people will see this per day, many of them first-time voters, many of them the precisely the right age for justified draft anxiety (hey kid, want to go to Syria?)

Voting IS powerful, more so than ever. I'd say the creators, with 5 weeks to create this and limited resources (they're a small indie-network, unaffiliated with Interscope), ought to be mighty proud of their accomplishment. What I'd give to accomplish something even close to this!

[bladmand]

I love it when he sings (with lots of agressivity). Stomp, push up, mush, **** bush.

[Q_B]

Well, the animation, not being state-of-the-art stuff, is preety cool, and the thing i like most is that it kinda merges with the music's rythim perfectly. Besides, it grows on intensity. Grafix are nothing special, but are well executed, and the various styles (vector, 3d, toon, bluescreen) mix together well.

Not even going to touch the political issue (i'm not american anyways), but it kinda reminded me, just a lill bit, the power Rage Against The Machine used to have... just a lill bit.

Social and political awareness (not implying one NEEDS to vote to be politicaly aware) is always a good thing.

All in all, for the time they had, i'd say a preety damn good job! Congrats!

[combatmantra]

Maybe not an state of the art as said here before but the message is clear and contundent, and the vector animation and the aesthetics are cool to me, bravo.
(didn,t noticed in one part of the clip the "all seeing eye" hipothetic symbol of the "illuminati",cool XD)

[Ghostscape]

Is it just me or were all the negative comments about this video deleted? I wrote earlier that this thing was incredibly boring and slow. They said they put it together in a few weeks and it shows. The vector animation was (somewhat) decent, but the 3d was just plain bad.

I love how the creators of the video brag about how this might affect election day by showing people that voting is powerful yada yada. All this video will do is persuade people who look up to Eminem to think Bush sucks.
There was one posted a day or two ago that quickly turned into a political flamewar.

[halo]

what on earth is the fuss about? 5 weeks work ok...&???

[m81]

ok, the first thread got deleted because it got too political.
let's please not kill this one as well and discuss only the creative matters.

suggestion for moderators: instead deleting the entire thread like an elephant jumping onto an ant, just delete certain posts that seem unappropriate instead.

[RobW720]

One word: TALENT

If you can watch this video, and still declare him a 'sellout' after basically flipping off the candidate that half the U.S. supports
talent has nothing to do with that. . . half the country flips off the candidate that the other half supports. :D

but about the video

I thought more work could have been done. i enjoy it, dont get me wrong but it feels unfinished, kinda sloppy. dig the vector eminem, but everything else looks like bad southpark.

[mattmos]

Not a big fan of the characterisation, but the mixture of styles works well and at least it has meaning...

[Trog]

I loved the mixed media aspect to this, and for a 6 week production is not bad.

As far as the message, if it gets people to go out and vote, either for or against Bush, more power to him. However I think the majority of Eminem fans might not be old enough to vote. hehe

[RobertoOrtiz]

Ok time to lay down the law.

Cgtalk is an international site.
Becuase Cgtalk is an international site, we have a no politics rule.
There are thousands of sites where you can discuss politics,
but it not one of them.

Please stay on topic, becuase if not ill personally close this thread.

-R

[paulrus]

Yawn.... Another celebrity talking out of their backside. Perhaps he can start handing out crack to people if they'll register to vote... oh wait, someone already was doing that in Ohio.

Low budget & poorly executed IMHO. Eminem can do better.

Now, this on the other hand is some excellent AE work that asks a political question without being juvinile or crude, with a sound/music mix that just creeps me out:

http://www.howwouldtheyvote.org/media/downl/HWTV_large.mov - quicktime

http://www.howwouldtheyvote.org/media/downl/HWTV.wmv - windows media

http://www.howwouldtheyvote.org/ - site

[Q_B]

@ paulrus

Not discussing the political message (for obvious reasons), but i'm sorry but i fail to see the "excellent AE work" on this one. Its basically two different kinds of masks (one for the fire and other for that caustic/celular melt effect) animated into some frame with photos on it, plus standard lettering animation, or am i seeing it wrong?

And besides the political message, i don't really see how this one has any term of comparison to the music video in question. Just totally different works.

The sound is creepy thou, i agree. Nothin special about it, but creepy.

[slaughters]

...If you can watch this video, and still declare him a 'sellout'...He's a sellout. You certainly can not say this was original or risky for him to make.

He played "follow the leader" to many other MTV entertainment artists who preceded him. He delivered a product designed specifically for comercial success for MTV's target audience.

In MTV context someone declaring suport for the current war in Iraq would be considered "daring and original", not someone going on blah, blah, blah about how bad and evil it is.

Smashing the grownups is always the popular and easy thing for Children to do. I should know, I did it when I was younger too.

[EDIT - attempting to slam the artist, and his originality, not trying to get too much into the pros/cons of the videos message]

[strangelife]

As far as the critics go, all I can say is "It is what it is." Far from being a "great" video, I rather liked it. As crude as some of the work in it is, it gets the point across and a statement is made. I can't always agree with what Eminem flouts in his lyrics, but this time I'm with him.

[DannyDreams]

I'm not a huge Eminem fan at all but I like the video. It was raw and got its point across. It was art and well done for the subject in the lyrics. Its better than those "Lets show some generic CG animation" that Linkin Park does. That stuff is lame and looks like 6 demo reels rolled into one.

This one was well done and was something new to see. Nice job to whoever worked on it and well done Eminem.

[WeirdoStudio]

I loved the video low budget or not.
Eminem is no sellout.



My opinion. Like it or not.

[titaniumdave]

Well this thread is on its way to the end just like the last one.

[noisewar]

I loved the video low budget or not.
Eminem is no sellout.

BUSH DOES SUCK, vote his a$$ back to texas.

My opinion. Like it or not.


...

and that's his demographic now. Way to change our minds.

[slaughters]

...My opinion. Like it or not.Not. And you probably just got this entire thread deleted do to your childish post.

[L.Rawlins]

That track makes me laugh.

I swear he's sampled 'Barney' from 'The Simpsons' in it...

:)

[SpeccySteve]

I rather like that, I don't watch much telly so I'd never seen it until just now.

[young_927]

cool style, but the message is kind of funny from coming from emenim, isn't this guy always promoting violence? kill this , kill that?
seems like he is just following the crowd of bush bashin to me~ :P

[Morganism]

That was awesome

[Love-Fest]

What a sick and twisted bastard. Hi, I'm LoveFest and I reserve the right to express myself.

[AIPh Pretzel]

I've been around here long enough to know other members' political leanings, and I'm sure they know mine, so I'll just say that I support this video and leave it at that.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Guys keep the politics out of the forums.
Last warning.

-R

[Love-Fest]

Guys keep the politics out of the forums.Politcs and art are intertwined. Can't break them. They've been apart of art from the beginning of time: Egypt, Greece, Assyria, Picasso, Bob Dillan, South Park, etc. Helo?!!!

Hey I'd like to see a Team America Marinet of Emnem, like they did with Sean Penn.

Here's the scene ( and think about the artistic team work required to make this scene happen):

Eminem is visited by lady liberty, and then whisked away to a white room, where he's given two choices: Eminem is given the choice to be left alone, defensless in a room with Al Zarqawi and Osama Bin Laden or George Bush and Colin Powell.

Next, Lady Liberty sweeps him up and flys him up above the clouds and then brings him back down to the world the way it would be if Al Zarqawi and Osama Bin Laden had their way. Then she's brings him back up again and then down to see the world that George Bush and Colin Powell would have us all to have.

It's funny how the real enemy wasn't mentioned in the video. Who is the enemy again?

*EDIT*
Of course, Trey Parker would probably do a better job where the end the scene with Eminem, screaming, waking up in a cold sweat, grabbing his throat because the last thing he remembers is Zarqawi holding a cuff of his hair with a knife to his throat.

Can you feel the tension? Can you sense the irony?

[gmask]

It's funny how the real enemy wasn't mentioned in the video.
Love-Fest?

[m81]

there's also the paparoach clip "getting away with murder"... altough there the graphics are more subtle in the background (wallstreet-screen's) with subtle messages & animations. it's done by the cool folks at motiontheory. it's nice to always find some hidden messages in the back.

[gmask]

there's also the paparoach clip "getting away with murder"... altough there the graphics are more subtle in the background (wallstreet-screen's) with subtle messages & animations. it's done by the cool folks at motiontheory. it's nice to always find some hidden messages in the back.
Nice.. It's hard to tell from the compression but I had to wonder if the ticker display was CG or if they actually had a programmed scorebaord in the background.

[m81]

here's the papa roach clip: http://www.motiontheory.com/papaRoach/paparoach_final.mov

i personally don't know if the screen's are programmed or just designed/ animated to look this way and displayed on fine lcd displays.

and while we're at political clips, here's another great motiongraphics piece: http://www.knife-party.net/movs/barry.mov

even without considering the message, i think the motiongraphics & 3d are really nice choreographed/ animated. it was also screened at the resfest & onedotzero digital film festivals.

[paulrus]

Can you feel the tension? Can you sense the irony?
The irony that Arafat, Zarqawi, the Mullahs in Iran, Rosie O'Donnell, Cher and Eminem all endorse the same candidate? Yeah... got it.

I feel a thread closing...:twisted:

[Love-Fest]

PapaRoach's video:

It's a typical broken record of "rage against the machine". Been there done that in the 80s with the Dead Kennedys. Very blazé. Just an orgy. Nothing creative.

Just a warning. It's that type of video that the muslums see in the middle east (broadcasted by satellite from the "Christian" west) that they're railing against.

"...nations that pursue their urges and sacrifice their lives for their pleasures."
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20040613_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp? (click on the to the right of the page: subtitle provided)

Let me submit to this forum as food for thought re: artistic expression that our "Art" is what the muslum sees blasted into their satellites and is appauled by

Knife-Party is extremely creative and effectively done. Really enjoyed watching it. Although, I think it's totally false in many ways.

[m81]

by all respect for the moderators, if they were only half-intelligent they wouldn't close/ delete entire threads but just delete certain posts that are too blatant.

i think we should keep a way of talking about graphics and not get only into political statments & opinions as paulrus'. but he sounds like he desperately wants this thread closed.

[Love-Fest]

M81.. Some people want to talk about the "Message" of our cultural art and the impact it's having on the other parts of the world. Art has "meaning".

The muslums sees vids like PapaRoach's and says, "We can NOT let that happend here."

Some people want to seperate the technical from the message. Fine. That's your perogative. Don't waste your breath on what people should and shouldn't talk about on a forum devoted to delivering messages in divers media content. sheesh :rolleyes:

[gent_k]

Hey Love-Fest, keep in mind that this is an international forum. Why do you keep insulting muslims? Keep your thoughts to yourself.

And Arafat is a president of a country that ought to be free.

[gruvsyco]

M81.. Some people want to talk about the "Message" of our cultural art and the impact it's having on the other parts of the world. Art has "meaning".
regardless of this, you should try to respect the place you are posting in.

from page 3:
Ok time to lay down the law.

Cgtalk is an international site.
Becuase Cgtalk is an international site, we have a no politics rule.
There are thousands of sites where you can discuss politics,
but it not one of them.

Please stay on topic, becuase if not ill personally close this thread.

-R
from page 4:
Guys keep the politics out of the forums.
Last warning.

-R
Roberto is a mod here...

[WeirdoStudio]

I don't think my post was childish at all. Sorry if i offended the moderators here, and if i did feel free to delete my post if you feel that it will start a feud. Most people feel the same way they just don't have a place to say it..

[m81]

love-fest, maybe you're just too young to get the idea behind the papa clip. it's actually anti-bush and not anti-islam.

beside i too would love to have a creative forum where even politicall discussions are allowed, because i too think that you can't sepperate one from another. otherwise everyone in here should rather call themselves operators and not artists.
i'd really like to have a more liberal creative board as well. one like the mograph board (motiongraphics/ design forum) and there the people are from all countries too. but maybe this is just the way of cgtalk and the community that want's to limit itself.
i personally can't understand why they care so much about flamewars. people don't have to contribute to a thread at all or just act in a more intelligent fashion. that way we wouldn't have moderators all the time who close threads. - again i must say big kudos to mograph board. but maybe it has something to do with that the design community is a bit more aware of politics & art than the average troll-doodling joe.

cheers

[gmask]

Knife-Party is extremely creative and effectively done. Really enjoyed watching it. Although, I think it's totally false in many ways.
And totally correct at the same time.. defense campanies should call themselves offense companies.

[Love-Fest]

[quote]Why do you keep insulting muslims?[\quote]
How can I be insulting them if I'm quoting their words and their reactions to the West's art forms? You go ahead and tell me how I'm misreprenting the Middle East's Islamic reaction to their perceived threat of the "western encroachment and corruption of our children"?

Talking about the message of art is the most fundemental aspect of art. And I'm submitting to the forum the consequences of the reception of our cultural deluge into the middle east by such works as PapaRoach.

[gmask]

love-fest, maybe you're just too young to get the idea behind the papa clip. it's actually anti-bush and not anti-islam.

No he understands that.. he's offended that american artists are revealing that the american economy and government might be corrupt and this is what the religious middle east is afraid of happening to their own locales and such art confirms their fears.

[Love-Fest]

...maybe he's too youngLike I said.... I raged against the machine in the eighties with the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag... I get it. Was their in the "Mosh Pits".

he's offended that american artists are revealing that the american economy and government might be corrupt and this is what the religious middle east is afraid of happening to their own locales and such art confirms their fears.This is what Islmamic leaders see re: the state of the West: ""...nations that pursue their urges and sacrifice their lives for their pleasures." He's talking physical pleasures. He doesn't interpret that as some archane "artistic" metaphor bashing capitalism and GW. He says, "our children see that and we need to protect them from this deluge, at all costs."

Listen to their sermons:
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=9

[m81]

ok..
to come back to eminem and such. i must say, i'm very glad that there are such american mainstream acts, as eminem, papa roach, marilyn manson (see his depeche mode cover personal jesus where image of hitler quickly flashes in and shortly afterwards the one of bush. nice comparison).

and it's nice that there are such festivals as resfest and onedotzero and appropriate boards. there is highly creative art & motiondesign, often very political. but there the people don't tend to censor themselves. it's sad cgtalk is doing that, since it's one of the biggest creative boards. i think if all communities would do that we'd have some very meaningless & boring art.

but again i absolutely accept "leo's laws", if that's how he wants this board to go. it's private, uhm well, most boards are anyways.

[Love-Fest]

I'm not for censoring anyone on this board. I'm just for talking about the cosequential and logical and often "irrational" conclusions that some artists draw in their post modern world views.

I'm the one feeling censored right now. I'm being told to shut up.

*EDIT*
i'm very glad that there are such american mainstream acts, as eminem, papa roach, marilyn mansonWhy are you very glad? What do you think the Muslims think of a self proclaimed satanist priest coming into the middle east via satellite? Do you care? Just wondering?

[cloudz]

em never fails to impress good video, good song

[gmask]

Like I said.... I raged against the machine in the eighties with the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag... I get it. Was their in the "Mosh Pits".
Not that I care but FYI their = there .. sorry to be nitpicky

>>>This is what Islmamic leaders see re: the state of the West: ""...nations that pursue their urges and sacrifice their lives for their pleasures." He's talking physical pleasures. He doesn't interpret that as some archane "artistic" metaphor bashing capitalism and GW. He says, "our children see that and we need to protect them from this deluge, at all costs."

Capitalism = materialism AKA "physical pleasures". I don't speak arabic but I'm sure you are taking the face value of the translation too literally.

[agreenster]

One thing I noticed was the airplane at the very beginning flies from screen right to screen left, but the audio of the jet pans from left to right...whoops!

[gmask]

I'm just for talking about the cosequential and logical and often "irrational" conclusions that some artists draw in their post modern world views.

Too bad it's a reflection of the irrational world we live in.

[m81]

love-fest, i now understand you...
but you should know that most moslems don't even see that paparoach clip. it's for us in the west, because we live in a certain lifestyle. such clips question our system, altough it's a mainstream musicvideo. but lot's of teenagers see it and maybe get more interested in politics if there are some chicks around. i don't say fundamentalist moslems are right, but you should know that there are also many highly fundamentalistic people in the west. and they'd all be offended if they see halfnaked girls in such videos. and yea, the clip is pointing towards corrupt politics also. doesn't necessarly mean that everything corrupt comes from the us-goverment. there's of that everywhere where money rules and unfortunately mones rules the world.

as for eminem or marilyn manson, i think such mainstream acts are, even if mainstream, still rebels in some way. doesn't necessarly mean they represent only the west, but in general a democratic & free-speech/ express attitude. most of us are satanists anyway. all our pleasures are satanistic in some way.
otherwise go leave your computers, videoconsoles & tv and go meditate all day.
we should learn to accept it and not see everything only black & white. the universe contains everything a bit, it's a nice potpourri, mix it...

[richd]

If anyone wants to read the lyrics while hearing the song hear it is..its pretty deep.


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
And to the Republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible….
It feels so good to be back..

I scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel and re-energize and rewind
I give sight to the blind, my insight to the mind
I exercise my right to express when I feel it’s time
It’s just all in your mind, what you interpret it as
I say to fight, you take it as I’mma whip someone’s ass
If you don’t understand, don’t even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has
Or at least shows no difficulty multi-task
And in juggling both perhaps mastered his craft
Slash entrepreneur who has held onto few more rap acts
Who’s had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical manure moving past that
Mr. kisses ass crack, he’s a class act
Rubber band man, yea he just snaps back

Chorus:
Come along follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength
Come with me and I won’t steer you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
To the light at the end of the tunnel
We gonna fight, we gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march
Through the swamp, we gonna mosh through the marsh
Take us right through the doors (c’mon)

All the people up top on the side and the middle
Come together lets all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people some white and some black
Don’t matter what color, all that matters we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause don’t matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain’t gonna stop us they can’t, we stronger now more than ever
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push, shove, mush, **** Bush, until they bring our troops home (c’mon)

Chorus.

Imagine it pouring, it’s raining down on us
Mosh pits outside the oval office
Someone’s tryina tell us something,
Maybe this is god just sayin’ we’re responsible
For this monster, this coward,
That we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head noddin’
How could we allow something like this without pumping our fists
Now this is our final hour
Let me be the voice in your strength and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply by six...
Teen million people, Are equal at this high pitch
Maybe we can reach alqueda through my speech
Let the president answer a higher anarchy
Strap him with an Ak-47, let him go, fight his own war
Let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain’t loyal
If we don’t serve our own country, we’re patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes its all lies
The stars and stripes, they’ve been swiped, washed out and wiped
And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you know why,
Cause I told you to fight.

Chorus.

And as we proceed,
To Mosh through this desert storm,
In these closing statements, if they should argue
Let us beg to differ
As we set aside our differences
And assemble our own army
To disarm this Weapon of Mass Destruction
That we call our President, for the present
And Mosh for the future of our next generation
To speak and be heard
Mr. President, Mr. Senator…
Do you guy’s hear us…hear us…*laughing* (Hailie)

[halo]

today's thread was sponsered by the letter b and the number 4.

[rocarpen]

Hmm.. so it looks like 50/50 dig the video or dislike the video. Certainly a lot of the responses must be shaded by partisan political feelings. I'll be the first to admit, if this was a Toby Keith video called 'Get Out My Country, Ya Liberal Commie', I'd probably be dissing the graphics too.

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Re: sellout views. This surely sounds to me like that brand of total idiocy that says any succesful artist is automatically a sell-out. What a joke.

[gmask]

Hmm.. so it looks like 50/50 dig the video or dislike the video. Certainly a lot of the responses must be shaded by partisan political feelings. I'll be the first to admit, if this was a Toby Keith video called 'Get Out My Country, Ya Liberal Commie', I'd probably be dissing the graphics too.

LOL.. yeah there must be some equivalent to that.. I've that sentiment posted in enough places..

Technically the video is not cutting edge but personally I don't beleive that art is defined by cutting edge technology.

[Leonard]

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